From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #632 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 22 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 632 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mingus & Mitchell: the MINGUS album ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] FS: Shadows And Light on DVD ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: openess, sjc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Byrds weed njc [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Love Actually [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #631(NJC) Sorry I haven't a clue [Chorando6@aol.com] S&G last night njc ["David Rahall" ] Re: mes bijoux njc [Emiliano ] Re: Oot and aboot the Great White North (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #396 ["Trevor Gibb" ] Re: Open letter to the Joni List njc [Randy Remote ] Season Greetings ["ash" ] right or left? NJC this is not PC ["ash" ] Re: right or left? NJC this is not PC [Chris Marshall ] Sorry I haven't been in touch (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" Subject: Mingus & Mitchell: the MINGUS album This is Joni content. The contents of this post are largely about Joni Mitchell, without unreasonably stretching the definition of "her life and times". I bought the August 9, 1979 issue of "downbeat magazine". In it is the enthusiastic review of Joni's "MINGUS" album by Neil Tesser. Bob S. and I have discussed this previously but now that I have this issue in my hands, I can confirm it. Mr. Tesser is listed on the masthead page as a "Record Reviewer" and his last name appears in lowercase letters after the last sentence of the review on page 26. "-tesser" For the new people on the JMDL, I'll talk about why this review is so important. When MINGUS was released, it had some mixed reactions both from Joni's long-time admirers and from the admirers of the late Charles Mingus. Some of the "folk music" camp rejected it and some jazz fans thought Joni was exploiting Charles Mingus. I think Joni must have been taken aback pretty badly. For decades, she's only talked about the bad reviews. If you only read Joni's interviews and never read the original review, you'd think that all of the major jazz press reviled MINGUS. Poppycock. In downbeat magazine, Neil Tesser gave it 5 stars out of 5 possible. The first sentence is, "This is a wonderful piece of work." I'll excerpt most of the last 3 paragraphs to give a flavor of the review: "... DRY CLEANER has so much zest and fun - it's a perfect set-up for PORKPIE HAT, the masterpiece. Joni's lyrics, quite frankly, are profound; in the first five words, she manages to weave the song's original subject (Lester Young) and its composer into an epic framework of great emotional power: ' When Charlie speaks of Lester you know someone great has gone. The sweetest, swinging music man, had a Porkie Pig hat on. A bright star in a dark age, when the bandstand had a thousand ways of refusing a black man admission. Black musicians in those days they put him in an underdog position. Cellars and chitins' After a fascinating mid-section development of both melody and words, she weighs in with this: ' We came up from the subway on the music midnight makes to Charlie's bass and Lester's saxophone in taxi horns and brakes. Now Charlie's down in Mexico with the healers.' This is the poetry Joni Mitchell has been away from too long. In a way, what Mingus did for Lester in writing that song, Joni has done for Mingus in making this album. She gave her best on this one, and it's proved to be more than enough. - -tesser The complete text is on JJ's site at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html BTW, When this issue is sold on ebay, they often title it "downbeat magazine Johnny Griffin" because his picture is on the cover. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:54:16 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: coca cola njc "I switched from coke to pep and I'm a connoisseur. 'Bout time. Feel a little newer." Sylvester Stewart as "Sly" of the Family Stone circa 1974. I think the song is "In Time" and he wasn't talking 'bout colas, kids. All the best, Lama mack, in Texas said, > The 'new' coke was flat and basically tasteless without any zip and it remains so to this day. I gave coke up then and switched to pepsi, which is good but not old coke. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:12:25 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: FS: Shadows And Light on DVD David et al, If you want to buy a US licensed product, they sell the current DVD with a purple cover, marketed by Shout! Productions. It includes a photo gallery by Joel Bernstein and can be found on Amazon. If a previous edition (without Joel's pictures) at a bargain price sounds good, consider the Hong Kong-licensed copy I bought on Ebay. It has the black/red cover that the CD and LP have. $10 US plus shipping. Both editions have the skating footage that was missing from the 60 minute US VHS edition. Contact me off list if you're interested. I also have the store-bought 60 minute US VHS edition for sale: $8 plus shipping. All the best, Jim David Marine said, >I need to replace my old Shadows And Light CD, and figure I may as well buy the DVD. Is there more than one release of the DVD, and if so, which do you suggest?> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:43:52 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: openess, sjc Bob wrote: > But call it cathartic, or liberating, the act of opening > oneself up - even in the tete a tete of saying 'I love you, right out loud' > - > resonated (and still does) with a lot of her listeners. From my perspective, > it is > not at all surprising that one will find more of this public openness on a > Joni > list than on other lists. Very beautifully put Bob! And, Bob wrote this too: > I sense it was, instead, that rather "sit-commy like" discomfort that comes > > from being exposed to such openness, of partaking in others' - and sharing > ones' own - private moments and flaws and virtues and pain and joy. There is > risk > in this, no doubt. But, like Joni says, you're bound to lose if you let the > blues (or anything else, for that matter) get you scared to feel. Also very beautifully put Bob... and something I needed to hear. I'm an introvert and open up to people with reservation. It is easier to be open with people on this list though, due to our Joni connection. But, even then, there is always the challenge of possibly being misunderstood and facing the blues that can come with that. And, yes we are bound to lose is if we get scared to feel. Thanks for the words of wisdom and the way you quoted Joni here. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:31:51 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Byrds weed njc We have two winners! Victor and Jenny will be receiving the discs shortly. Best, Stephen in Vancouver frasere@intergate.ca wrote: Hello all, In the spirit of the holidays, I am offering copies of the below. The TWO listers who first reply directly to me will be the winners and it is hoped that it will be offered up by them. I am LOOONG overdue on offering this up Mr, Paz- my sincere apologies! It's a GREAT set. Hoping that the lister who burned these for me will be kind enough to offer them up as well;-) We really should get this one going as it's fabulous. Happy holidays everyone. Stephen in Vancouver Byrds Family Tree - a 2cd set of either one or two Dutch radio shows. The Manassas material on here is very clean and includes Move Around. I received a very nice and complimentary mail recently from the Mysterious RV. The material on the Byrds Family Tree being weeded IS the same FM source as the RV Productions Manassas Amsterdam 3/22/72 upgraded version. THE BYRDS - Family Tree Disc 1 1 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 2-11 - Byrds - Amsterdam - 1971 2 You Ain't Going Nowhere 3 Lover Of The Bayou 4 Old Blue 5 Welcome Back Home 6 My Back Pages/Baby What You Want Me To Do 7 He Was A Friend Of Mine 8-9 (Dutch announcer) 10 You Don't Miss Your Water - w/Gram Parsons 11 Hickory Wind - w/Gram Parsons 12-13 (Dutch announcer) 14 Blackbird - CSN - Wembley - 1974 15-16 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 17-23 - Flying Burrito Brothers - Amsterdam - 1970 17 One Hundred Years From Now 18 (stage banter) 19 My Uncle 20 Cody, Cody 21 (stage banter) 22 Devil In Disguise 23 Clinch Mountain Backstep 24 (Dutch announcer) Disc 2 1 It Doesn't Matter - Manassas - (same venue/date as below) 2 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 3-4 - Byrds - Rome - 1968 3 Mr. Spaceman & I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better 4 Chimes Of Freedom 5 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 6-7 - McGuinn - Netherlands - 1991 6 Without Your Love 7 Turn Turn Turn 8 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 9-16 - Manassas - Amsterdam - 3/22/72 9 4 + 20 10 Bluesman 11 Word Game 12 Do For The Others 13 Move Around 14 Both Of Us (Bound To Lose) 15 Love The One You're With 16 He Was A Friend Of Mine 17 (Dutch announcer) - ----- End forwarded message ----- StephenHere ya go! Yes please offer this up on the Big List. I have had more requests for it but I am tied up with alot of different shit so I want to make it work as a weed. Thanks for helping. Best Paz Byrds Family Tree - a 2cd set of either one or two Dutch radio shows. The Manassas material on here is very clean and includes Move Around. I received a very nice and complimentary mail recently from the Mysterious RV. The material on the Byrds Family Tree being weeded IS the same FM source as the RV Productions Manassas Amsterdam 3/22/72 upgraded version. THE BYRDS - Family Tree Disc 1 1 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 2-11 - Byrds - Amsterdam - 1971 2 You Ain't Going Nowhere 3 Lover Of The Bayou 4 Old Blue 5 Welcome Back Home 6 My Back Pages/Baby What You Want Me To Do 7 He Was A Friend Of Mine 8-9 (Dutch announcer) 10 You Don't Miss Your Water - w/Gram Parsons 11 Hickory Wind - w/Gram Parsons 12-13 (Dutch announcer) 14 Blackbird - CSN - Wembley - 1974 15-16 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 17-23 - Flying Burrito Brothers - Amsterdam - 1970 17 One Hundred Years From Now 18 (stage banter) 19 My Uncle 20 Cody, Cody 21 (stage banter) 22 Devil In Disguise 23 Clinch Mountain Backstep 24 (Dutch announcer) Disc 2 1 It Doesn't Matter - Manassas - (same venue/date as below) 2 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 3-4 - Byrds - Rome - 1968 3 Mr. Spaceman & I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better 4 Chimes Of Freedom 5 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 6-7 - McGuinn - Netherlands - 1991 6 Without Your Love 7 Turn Turn Turn 8 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 9-16 - Manassas - Amsterdam - 3/22/72 9 4 + 20 10 Bluesman 11 Word Game 12 Do For The Others 13 Move Around 14 Both Of Us (Bound To Lose) 15 Love The One You're With 16 He Was A Friend Of Mine 17 (Dutch announcer) New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing - ----- End forwarded message ----- Hi Stephen - If you have one left, I would love a copy. Happy Holidays! Jenny my address: Jenny Goodspeed45 Wendell RoadShutesbury, MA 01072 frasere@intergate.ca wrote: Hello all, In the spirit of the holidays, I am offering copies of the below. The TWO listers who first reply directly to me will be the winners and it is hoped that it will be offered up by them. I am LOOONG overdue on offering this up Mr, Paz- my sincere apologies! It's a GREAT set. Hoping that the lister who burned these for me will be kind enough to offer them up as well;-) We really should get this one going as it's fabulous. Happy holidays everyone. Stephen in Vancouver Byrds Family Tree - a 2cd set of either one or two Dutch radio shows. The Manassas material on here is very clean and includes Move Around. I received a very nice and complimentary mail recently from the Mysterious RV. The material on the Byrds Family Tree being weeded IS the same FM source as the RV Productions Manassas Amsterdam 3/22/72 upgraded version. THE BYRDS - Family Tree Disc 1 1 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 2-11 - Byrds - Amsterdam - 1971 2 You Ain't Going Nowhere 3 Lover Of The Bayou 4 Old Blue 5 Welcome Back Home 6 My Back Pages/Baby What You Want Me To Do 7 He Was A Friend Of Mine 8-9 (Dutch announcer) 10 You Don't Miss Your Water - w/Gram Parsons 11 Hickory Wind - w/Gram Parsons 12-13 (Dutch announcer) 14 Blackbird - CSN - Wembley - 1974 15-16 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 17-23 - Flying Burrito Brothers - Amsterdam - 1970 17 One Hundred Years From Now 18 (stage banter) 19 My Uncle 20 Cody, Cody 21 (stage banter) 22 Devil In Disguise 23 Clinch Mountain Backstep 24 (Dutch announcer) Disc 2 1 It Doesn't Matter - Manassas - (same venue/date as below) 2 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 3-4 - Byrds - Rome - 1968 3 Mr. Spaceman & I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better 4 Chimes Of Freedom 5 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 6-7 - McGuinn - Netherlands - 1991 6 Without Your Love 7 Turn Turn Turn 8 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 9-16 - Manassas - Amsterdam - 3/22/72 9 4 + 20 10 Bluesman 11 Word Game 12 Do For The Others 13 Move Around 14 Both Of Us (Bound To Lose) 15 Love The One You're With 16 He Was A Friend Of Mine 17 (Dutch announcer) ----- End forwarded message ----- StephenHere ya go! Yes please offer this up on the Big List. I have had more requests for it but I am tied up with alot of different shit so I want to make it work as a weed. Thanks for helping. Best Paz Byrds Family Tree - a 2cd set of either one or two Dutch radio shows. The Manassas material on here is very clean and includes Move Around. I received a very nice and complimentary mail recently from the Mysterious RV. The material on the Byrds Family Tree being weeded IS the same FM source as the RV Productions Manassas Amsterdam 3/22/72 upgraded version. THE BYRDS - Family Tree Disc 1 1 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 2-11 - Byrds - Amsterdam - 1971 2 You Ain't Going Nowhere 3 Lover Of The Bayou 4 Old Blue 5 Welcome Back Home 6 My Back Pages/Baby What You Want Me To Do 7 He Was A Friend Of Mine 8-9 (Dutch announcer) 10 You Don't Miss Your Water - w/Gram Parsons 11 Hickory Wind - w/Gram Parsons 12-13 (Dutch announcer) 14 Blackbird - CSN - Wembley - 1974 15-16 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 17-23 - Flying Burrito Brothers - Amsterdam - 1970 17 One Hundred Years From Now 18 (stage banter) 19 My Uncle 20 Cody, Cody 21 (stage banter) 22 Devil In Disguise 23 Clinch Mountain Backstep 24 (Dutch announcer) Disc 2 1 It Doesn't Matter - Manassas - (same venue/date as below) 2 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 3-4 - Byrds - Rome - 1968 3 Mr. Spaceman & I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better 4 Chimes Of Freedom 5 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 6-7 - McGuinn - Netherlands - 1991 6 Without Your Love 7 Turn Turn Turn 8 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 9-16 - Manassas - Amsterdam - 3/22/72 9 4 + 20 10 Bluesman 11 Word Game 12 Do For The Others 13 Move Around 14 Both Of Us (Bound To Lose) 15 Love The One You're With 16 He Was A Friend Of Mine 17 (Dutch announcer) New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:44:16 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Love Actually Ed wrote: "From the All Music Guide's review of the "Love Actually" soundtrack (which contains BSN): "...Joni Mitchell's cover of "Both Sides Now" ends up feeling ponderous instead of ethereally lovely..." Geez, I wish JM would stop covering them Judy Collins songs..... Ed " I would add that - beyond the cluelessness (or, possibly, sloppiness) of the use of the term "cover", the reviewer seemed not to have been paying attention to the scene in which Joni's orchestrated "remake" of BSN was featured - one of tear jerking, if not gut wrenching pathos. The scene screamed for a more somber version of the song - not an "ethereally lovely" one. What a cloddy remark by the reviewer ! Come to think of it, "ethereally lovely" sounds more like the Judy Collins version than the original Joni version - perhaps I was being too kind when I wrote "possibly, sloppiness". Ironically, I do find the BSN version of BSN to be lovely - just not bright and bubbly - certainly not ponderous. So, I do not think this reviewer and I will ever see eye to eye on this (which to me is a good thing) ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:41:27 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #631(NJC) Sorry I haven't a clue Dear all, on a monday, if I can, I listen to a show on BBc Radio 4 called 'Sorry I haven't a clue'. It's a wonderfully irreverent take on your formulaic game shows and though generously smattered with British references to minor celebrities and current affairs it does have immense appeal beyond. I mention it only because i missed it this week and so caught up on line at www.BBC.co.uk. I think it would appeal to many of the listers and is a great way to pass a funny half hour at your pc. Clive xx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:43:04 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: S&G last night njc I saw Simon and Garfunkel last night and, of course, enjoyed it very much. The highlights for me were "Sounds of Silence" "Scarborough Fair" "Mrs. Robinson" "American Tune" (LOVE that song) and the best of all was probably "Bridge Over Troubled Water" which they took to a very high level (brought the house down). David Rahall card carrying baby boomer NP: Sweeney Todd original Broadway cast recording ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:19:57 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: mes bijoux njc Hi, Wally! I'd bet it is! Keep coooooool, babe. very chilly: Emiliano Wally says: just as radiant as its owner! emi, i love you!!!! you are soooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!! wally, gasping for air on the first really hot night of almost summer. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Emiliano [mailto:emilianopd@mundo-r.com] > Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Diciembre de 2003 11:05 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; JMDL > Asunto: Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) > > > Hi, Wally! > How's your tiara? > > Emi > > Wally says: > > > maybe, and i say maybe, this could my new career! what's the pc name for > > this profession now? funeral director? passing-on consultants? grief > > managers? > > i say get me a trocar for my birthday! > > wally, wondering if i'll wear my tiara in my funeral ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:29:41 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Oot and aboot the Great White North (njc) Saw a comedian a few weeks ago who had the greatest line about Canada. We Americans take it for granted, but then, it is like going up in the attic of your house, you forget how big it is and all of the cool stuff you can find up there! Thanks for reminding us of The Great White North!!! Suze ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:49:20 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re - question about Borderline performance(s) Marian - about '96 I saw the New Orleans Jazzfest televised in the States - Joni performed Borderline. She was wearing summer clothes and a straw hat. It was a thrill as I stumbled across it by accident. I believe this was originally going to be a swan song performance but things conspired and the VG8 came along. Also at this concert she met Brian Blade who she credits with rekindling her interest in music. I believe the concert was summer of '95. An audio recording exists -video I don't know. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:57:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and darkness >Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand< I agree...this is a remarkable & profound song written by someone so young...hearing this song when it was first released was the first time I thought about fear in such a way & it took me many years more of living (perhaps even decades) to really 'get' how fear is either "stepping stones or sinking sand"... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:11:39 -0000 From: "Trevor Gibb" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #396 Hey all this is my first proper post, hope it works ;-) I have a few little questions. First one is, does anyone know where the video of Joni singing Night Ride Home on a grassy bank by a river is from and what year it is? IM guessing its around 1991. I once had this as an mpeg but it is now lost :-( Also, Is there no joni area for transferring and sharing files anymore. The net seems rather light on joni material as opposed to Dylan and others. and lastly, Has a version of Joni singing Dylan's Sweetheart Like You surfaced yet and if so how does it sound. I'm a huge Joni Mitchell fan so I hope I dont come across as a boring question asker. In fact I was listening to the Back To The Garden show yesterday. She does a real great Hejira. Anyways, thanks all Trev - ---------------------------------------- "'Samuel Beckett, before he died, asked me for a script of `Don't Look Back,''' Pennebaker revealed. ''Beckett never referred to Dylan by name. He always called him `The Poet.' He'd say, `Could you bring me the script of The Poet?''' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:34:21 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Joni and darkness Yes when I first got CLOUDS "I Think I Understand" went right over my head until one time I was listening to it and those words gave me a chill. So true but like Kate said you really learn things properly through time and experience. * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Joni and darkness > >Oh, I think I understand > Fear is like a wilderland > Stepping stones or sinking sand< > > I agree...this is a remarkable & profound song written by someone so > young...hearing this song when it was first released was the first time > I thought about fear in such a way & it took me many years more of > living (perhaps even decades) to really 'get' how fear is either > "stepping stones or sinking sand"... > > Kate > www.katebennett.com > "bringing the melancholy world of > twilight to life almost like magic" > The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:35:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Open letter to the Joni List njc Best to you, MG&Jeff- jmdl rocks! goddess bless us every one. MGVal@aol.com wrote: > Dear Joni-philes, > > I'm sitting here wondering what to do with my window of opportunity of > feeling "normal," > it certainly > lifted my spirits to know so many out there are sending such positive thoughts. > Even in the worst of moments these past weeks, Jeff and I have experienced > more than a little bit of divine intervention. > much love and thanks, > > MG and Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:38:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #396 --- Trevor Gibb wrote: > Hey all this is my first proper post, hope it works > ;-) Apparently it did. Welcome to the jmdl, Trevor. Stick around a while. > I'm a huge Joni Mitchell fan so I hope I dont come > across as a boring > question asker. There are no boring question, esp. where Ms Mitchell is concerned. Sorry if I can't answer any of them though! There are Joni items available for trade - all you have to do is ask. (I don't have a lot of them myself, but others do.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:43:27 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Season Greetings From Tasmania *as you read this..please 'hum' the tune from 'Cheers' the American TV series in your mind..... May I take this opportunity to say in this digest? firstly may I wish Ms. Mitchell a very happy Xmas and a wonderful New Year. and if she wants to go carol singing?...I'm your man!...just name the place! Secondly...I would like to say, it has been brilliant to meet all of you on this site and thank you ALL for being so welcoming......and I hope you all have an enjoyable time over these next days and that Santa (oops not very PC!) or whoever....... brings you what you want! and that Next year will be better in health and wealth (wealth meaning love and stuff ...okay you win the lotto/pools or get a grant/inheritance) and we can all meet at the place we all know (er here on this site!)...you can stop humming that silly 'Cheers' tune now!...I liked Kirsty Alley the best! Take Care Ash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:16:25 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: right or left? NJC this is not PC Oh no Ash don't ask! here goes....... I was watching some 70's film (it was a film about gays) a while back..and in the film a gay man is walking along an San Francisco street (dressed as the leather one, from the singing group of Village People...oh no I am humming and doing the mental actions of YMCA..stop it!) any way this man had a red spotted handkerchief hanging out of his right pants pocket. My eldest asked what was all that about? mmm I replied I dunnno but I think it just means he is gay? oh go and ask yer mother.....as she lived with gay folks in Sydney in the 1980's.....I think she was called a funny name...any way..she did not know.... Well last week in the motorbike 'fun run' going thru town here...there were 5,000 bikies er Hells Angels......and one of the bikers had a blue spotted handkerchief out of his left pants pocket..this has now confused us all..as the biker looked very macho (oh no I can hear the Village People singing Macho Macho Man.......) Then we got into the discussion on earrings.....I had my right earring pierced when younger..which I took to mean I was not gay and left ear was? Well my youngest said (and she the leader in the fashion stakes?.....as if!!..why are they now wearing browns and purples!!..faired pants and platform shoes...for Gawd sake!!!) she said the right pierced ear means you are aggressive and the left passive! I said that's rubbish!...as what the hell is a pierced nose?, tongue?, belly button?, or your private parts mean??? Can anyone tell me what or was the codes of handkerchiefs and earrings?? as most of you are intellectuals? This from a guy who never forgave Sabrina the Teenage Witch for dumping Harvey and for her growing up......I wish I had aunts like her!!! Ash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:24:16 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: right or left? NJC this is not PC On 22 Dec 2003, at 0:16, ash wrote: > Can anyone tell me what or was the codes of handkerchiefs and > earrings?? > as most of you are intellectuals? I can't tell you the handkerchief code - but it's basically a way for guys to advertise their bedular proclivities to others. Colours and sides makes a difference. Never seen it in use in real life, personally. I still can't /quite/ believe that guys really walk around with what is essentially a great big billboard saying "Hi, I'd like to do X, Y or Z to you or have you do X, Y or Z to me". It's menu pricing for sex. Is there a hanky code to signify to someone that... "I'd like to spend an afternoon in the countryside with you, then go for dinner somewhere nice, take a leisurely walk home, put some music on, and make up the rest of the spur of the moment"??? Maybe an Ordinance Survey ramblers map hanging from your back pocket? In the UK, for earrings, I have possibly bad news for you. Left ear used to signify straight, right ear gay, both ears... umm... well, around here, it seems to mean tosser. Personally, I find the whole idea tiresome (hey, there's a theme here) and tend to think that people should do what they like just to fox the people who think it all means something :) > This from a guy who never forgave Sabrina the Teenage Witch for > dumping Harvey > and for her growing up......I wish I had aunts like her!!! Ditto. I have the cat, though. http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/cats/DCP_1181 - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:26:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Coca-Cola vs. Vernors Wally wrote: > nothing, Nothing, NOTHING compares to vernor's ginger ale. > when i die, i want my body pumped full of vernor's ginger ale and > fountains squirting jets of vernor's ginger ale for everyone to bathe > in ... It's true, what Wally says. Nothing compares to Vernor's. When I was little (maybe 3 or 4 years old) and feeling ill, my Grandma Ethel -- who used to work in a nursing home and had access to these things -- would take an IV tube, boil it to sterilize it, and put one end of it in my mouth and the other end in a bottle of Vernor's that she'd placed across the living room. I would lie on the couch and watch TV and drink Vernor's from this extremely long "straw." This kept me entertained AND literally made me feel better. Vernor's is delicious and it's powerful, like chicken soup. Happy Hanukkah, Lori : ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:39:56 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Sorry I haven't been in touch (NJC) Hi everyone, I deeply apologize for not responding this past week. I am at home recuperating from diabetes-related complications. I had to spend a night in the hospital. I am at home right now accessing my hotmail account and my system is "extremely" slow. So I will respond to everyone tomorrow when I get back to work. I'm feeling better and I figure that everything happens for a reason. If I am indeed to embark on a career change, I need to be physically ready as well. Take care until tomorrow! Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:05:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: (NJC) Coca-Cola vs. Vernors oh lori! my dream come true!!!!! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Lori Fye [mailto:lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com] > Enviado el: Lunes, 22 de Diciembre de 2003 01:27 a.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; joni > Asunto: (NJC) Coca-Cola vs. Vernors > > > > I would lie on the couch and watch TV and > drink Vernor's ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:12:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: right or left? NJC this is not PC ok, i hate to betray the secrets of my tribe, but here it goes. http://www.drizzle.com/~elf/faqs/hankies.html wally, more into kleenex these days > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Chris > Marshall > Enviado el: Domingo, 21 de Diciembre de 2003 10:24 p.m. > Para: ash > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: right or left? NJC this is not PC > > > On 22 Dec 2003, at 0:16, ash wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what or was the codes of handkerchiefs and > > earrings?? > > as most of you are intellectuals? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:10:42 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 22 On December 22 the following articles were published: 1973: "Joni - A Leader Once Again" - Sounds (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=347 1980: "Newsmakers" - Newsweek (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=206 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:10:42 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 22 1972: For The Roses was certified gold by the RIAA - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #632 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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