From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #631 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 631 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: indiscrete njc (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] question about Borderline performance(s) ["Marian" ] re: indiscrete njc [tantra-apso ] coca cola njc [tantra-apso ] Re: indiscrete njc [Chris Marshall ] re: indiscrete njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: coca cola njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni Compilation ["Rache A" ] Re: coca cola njc ["mackoliver" ] Re: Nature of the JMDL [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: coca cola njc [tantra-apso ] RE: coca cola njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #395 ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: coca cola njc [Doug ] update on the mgval fund [magsnbrei ] mgval fund p.s. [magsnbrei ] Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: Joni Compilation ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Nature of the JMDL, NJC really [Emiliano ] Re: Nature of the JMDL, NJC really [Emiliano ] RE: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni Compilation [Emiliano ] Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: Nature of the JMDL, NJC really [Emiliano ] Open letter to the Joni List [MGVal@aol.com] mes bijoux njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Byrds weed njc [frasere@intergate.ca] Shadows And Light [David Marine ] it makes me sad [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Joni and darkness [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today's Library Links: December 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:50:31 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: indiscrete njc (for AOL users) Wally says: same here. and what on earth are the paris hilton tapes??????? i get that a million times day. wally, who loves the hilton but there's a limit to almost everything ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:58:02 -0500 From: "Marian" Subject: question about Borderline performance(s) I can remember seeing a video of Joni performing Borderline and I was able to find the one that was included on the first video tree - the CBC Troubadors of Folk performance on 5 June 1993. I really like this performance - I think the way she sings the song is more moving than the version that is on TI. However, I could swear I have seen a video of her singing this song to a different audience. I have tried to find it on the videos I have, but can't find it. It could be that I just FF'd past it at some point or maybe it's just a figment of my imagination. Does anybody know of another performance of Borderline and where I might find it? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:44:53 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: re: indiscrete njc I get the African money ones too, Plus teenage sluts, cheap drugs without prescription, debt management, loans, cheap phone calls, loads of the things and not one of them realises I do not live in the USA. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:47:45 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: coca cola njc I saw a very interesting doc Thursday night about how in the 80's they changed the taste of coke and the uproar this caused in the USA which spread to Europe. It was so bad they ahd to change back to the original. Whilst it was fascinating, they passion with which many people spoke about it, the hurt and outrage they felt, made me think they really ought to get a life. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:54:40 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: indiscrete njc On 20 Dec 2003, at 9:44, tantra-apso wrote: > I get the African money ones too, Plus teenage sluts, cheap drugs > without prescription, debt management, loans, cheap phone calls, loads > of the things and not one of them realises I do not live in the > USA. Not one of the spammers _cares_ that you live outside the USA. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: indiscrete njc --- tantra-apso wrote: > I get the African money ones too, Plus teenage > sluts, cheap drugs > without prescription, debt management, loans, cheap > phone calls, loads > of the things and not one of them realises I do not > live in the > USA. The first time I got one of those, I was foolish enough to answer it - to tell them they needn't bother, as I was in Canada and already had health insurance, thank you very much. Little did I know... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:15:07 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: coca cola njc Colin wrote: > I saw a very interesting doc Thursday night about how in the 80's > they changed the taste of coke and the uproar this caused in the USA > which spread to Europe. It was so bad they ahd to change back to the > original. Whilst it was fascinating, they passion with which many > people spoke about it, the hurt and outrage they felt, made me think > they really ought to get a life. I remember this quite well. "New Coke" was supposed to taste more like Pepsi -- which was leading in sales at the time -- but Coca-Cola really didn't achieve its goal. What the company DID do was create a soft drink that did not mix so well with bourbon or rum or whatever. Those who enjoy certain libations probably accounted for at least half of the complaints. Afterall, no one (at least no one I know, and I bartended for years) goes to a bar and orders a rum and Pepsi! Lori, who prefers original Coke but rarely drinks soft drinks at all ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:24:33 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: Joni Compilation delurking for a bit as it's winter break... yes eastern rain is great, also i'd nominate come to the sunshine and trouble man. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:20:40 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: coca cola njc Lori wrote: > I remember this quite well. "New Coke" was supposed to taste more like > Pepsi -- which was leading in sales at the time -- but Coca-Cola really > didn't achieve its goal. I had to give them up too Lori, too hard on the tummy but loved coke way back when. It would burn your mouth badly when you first opened one, remember the bottles (oh, for the days of pulling a cold coke bottle out of the machine), but it felt so good. I suppose most of the public believed the company when they said they went back to the original recipe (at least the one I grew up with) but they didn't. The 'new' coke was flat and basically tasteless without any zip and it remains so to this day. I gave coke up then and switched to pepsi, which is good but not old coke. The closest thing to that coke is rc cola (which is really hard to get, thanks to the giants squeezing it out of the market) and even the cheapies at wal-mart are better than coca-cola. It does still have some redeeming value though as you can mix it with sprite and make a wonderful soda. Can't be pepsi or 7-up or any other variation, only coke and sprite. Learned that in the many years waiting tables. mack np: commodores. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:33:26 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Nature of the JMDL I was away on vacation for a week, and then paid the price for another week at work, so I am catching up on two weeks of digests, and would like to weigh in (constructively, I hope) about the thread that Jim started. As has been pointed out, in any large group there will be a wide range of feelings and opinions. However, in this case, we are dealing with a list of Joni aficionados. And Joni was perhaps the first (and surely the quintessential) confessional singer songwriter - one who had the courage (and perhaps the folly - - or is it wisdom, after all) to bare her feelings publicly, even to those who did not know her personally. It is true that this was not mere spilling of guts - the art itself added redemptive justification for the self-revelations contained in it. But call it cathartic, or liberating, the act of opening oneself up - even in the tete a tete of saying 'I love you, right out loud' - resonated (and still does) with a lot of her listeners. From my perspective, it is not at all surprising that one will find more of this public openness on a Joni list than on other lists. Further triggering this post were my receipt of the Jonifest DVD's (thank you Ashara - they're truly wonderful !) and Michael Paz's post (repeated in part as follows): "Jim I wish I had the time to really get into this topic with you. I have been here since ALMOST the beginning and I have had my ups and downs like most. I do feel that I have grown as a person because of this list in many ways and most of all I feel I am closer to people here than people I work with or see socially regularly or people I Have none for 30 years +. One thing I recommend to you as a friend: GET THYSELF TO A JONIFEST!!!! It will change your life. It did mine and I know have friends that I will never forget or give up and we get so little time together." Unlike Michael, I have not been here from the beginning (I joined about 2-1/2 years ago). At first, I was not sure what to make of the rather odd (to my view) personal connections that appeared in the posts. Then, I learned that many had met each other at one gathering or another, which made it somewhat more understandable to me. I mean, there is a somewhat higher level of 'connectedness' that invariably and undeniably follows once people have "broken bread" with each other. But that is not really what Jim was alluding to, I do not think. I sense it was, instead, that rather "sit-commy like" discomfort that comes from being exposed to such openness, of partaking in others' - and sharing ones' own - private moments and flaws and virtues and pain and joy. There is risk in this, no doubt. But, like Joni says, you're bound to lose if you let the blues (or anything else, for that matter) get you scared to feel. So, I second Michael's suggestion - my first Jonifest this year changed my life in a positive way (as my after-fest post to the list attested). In that post, where I focused solely on the spirit of the fest - people rooting for and supporting one another in a pure, postive and loving way - I deliberately did not name names (thinking I might do so later). In viewing the DVD's, I recalled an impression from the Fest that I think bears noting now (better late than never) - namely, how unselfishly Michael Paz contributed to the musical presentations, via assistance with the sound system and rehearsals, accompanying others on their sets, and bringing groups together on his own set. This involved almost a total time and energy committment on his part, which he volunteered without any apparent ego fulfillment or request for thanks or applause. He made a lot of people feel good with his generosity - and I believe him when he says he has "grown as a person because of this list". Michael's a great guy, Jim. Getting to meet him at the next Fest would in and of itself be sufficient to justify your commitment of attending it :-) But it would by no means be the only plus you would take from it. Best, Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:07:02 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: coca cola njc Lori Fye wrote: > > >I remember this quite well. "New Coke" was supposed to taste more like >Pepsi -- which was leading in sales at the time -- but Coca-Cola really >didn't achieve its goal. > Yes they lost a huge amount of money.They phased out new coke and went back to the old coke. Coke you buy now is the old one. Unless it is Cherry or Vanilla of ocurse! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:20:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: coca cola njc nothing, Nothing, NOTHING compares to vernor's ginger ale. when i die, i want my body pumped full of vernor's ginger ale and fountains squirting jets of vernor's ginger ale for everyone to bathe in and the PA system playing salome's final scene sung by dame gwyneth jones. that is my desire. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:31:24 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #395 Doug obviously knows more about it than I do, and perhaps I should beg forgiveness for jumping in half-cocked. Anyway, happy holidays to all out there in JMDL land! Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. Doug Meek wrote: - ------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:28:52 -0500 >From: Doug >Subject: Re: Joni Compilations (Why is "WMMR is a misprint)? > >It's complicated and I don't know if I have all my facts right but here >goes: >Gene Shay, who interviewed Joni and I assume made the recordings, >worked at WHAT at the time. He later moved to WMMR and had a 2 hour >Joni "retrospective" show in Jan.1974 in which he unearthed the tapes from >1966/67/68. This show contained the songs used on The Second Fret Sets. > I guess someone taped the show and put it out on vinyl. >Unless Gene himself did it, but I wouldn't think so. >The (1974) show has been transcribed for the JMDL archives. >Again, I may be wrong on some details. If so feel free to correct >me. I won't cry. Promise >Doug > >Timothy Spong wrote: > > > I am puzzled by "(WMMR is a misprint)" below. WMMR was and is an FM > > radio station in Philadelphia. In the late 1960s and some time beyond, > > it was a progressive station, apparently one of the ones where, in the > > past, folk maven Gene Shay held forth, possibly during those exact > > years. He is now associated with WXPN, the AAA station affiliated with > > the University of Pennsylvania, and WMMR plays hard rock. In 1967 and > > 1968, I could hear WMMR when I was home in Dover, Del., from Duke > > University in Durham, N.C., for summer, semester breaks or holidays -- > > or was it 1969 or 1970 until I discovered it? Not sure. While I don't > > remember hearing Joni Mitchell at all, there was other compatible music. > > > > Tim Spong > > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:31:26 -0500 > > From: Doug > > Subject: Re: Joni Compilation > > > > I will be receiving soon a 3 disc set called The Posall ans the Mosalm. > > It contains all of > > the Second Fret Sets plus others from the Second Fret Coffee House and > > the local > > Philadelphia radio station. (WMMR is a misprint) More discs on the way, > > I'll keep you posted. > > Doug > > > > Posall and the Mosalm Vol.1 contains: > > > > Live at the Second Fret,Philadelphia 10/12/67 (Night in the > > City,Come to the Sunshine,Chelsea Morning,Conversation, > > I Had A King,Cactus Tree,Little Green,Marcie,London > > Bridge,Ballerina Valeriel, Michael from Mountains,The Drummer > > Man, I Don't Know Where I stand, & Both Sides Now) > > WMMR Philadelphia Studios 5/28/67, Sugar Mountain, WMMR > > Studios 11/19/66 (with Chuck Mitchell), Circle game, > > Interview > > > > Posall and the Mosalm Vol.2 contains: > > > > Live at the Second Fret Club Philadelphia 3/17/67 (Morning > > Morgantown,Born to take the Highway,Eastern Rain, Circle > > Game, Song to a Seagull, Carnival in Kenora, Brandy Eyes, > > Winter Lady, Mr. Blue, Urge for Going, Both Sides Now, Night > > in the City, Circle Game, & Conversation) > > > > Posall and the Mosalm Vol.3 contains: > > > > WMMR Studios Fall 1968 (Sisowtobell Lane, The Gallery, > > Nathan LaFraneer) > > WMMR Studios 3/12/67 (Both Sides Now, Night in the City, and > > Circle Game) > > Second Fret Club 11/66 (Brandy Eyes, Urge for Going, > > Mr. Blue, Eastern Rain, Circle Game, and Night in the City) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Its our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:33:53 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: coca cola njc This is a topic I can't pass up. I have been a heavy Coke drinker for at least 25 years, a "Cokeaholic" you might say. When I eat out at a restaurant I don't drink alcohol, I ALWAYS have a coke When New Coke appeared I hated it precisely because it tasted like Pepsi. After all if I wanted Pepsi I'd buy Pepsi. If they hadn't changed back I would have quit drinking it. Thankfully I wasn't alone. McDonalds served the new one at first but switched back to "Coke Classic" when it came back on the market. I far as I can tell, it's the same as old Coke. RC (Royal Crown) Cola is not hard to find here in Canada. It's my second favorite cola, a bit too sweet. Here we pronounce it "RC Coola" (just kidding) Doug mackoliver wrote: >Lori wrote: > > > > >>I remember this quite well. "New Coke" was supposed to taste more like >>Pepsi -- which was leading in sales at the time -- but Coca-Cola really >>didn't achieve its goal. >> >> > >I had to give them up too Lori, too hard on the tummy but loved coke way >back when. It would burn your mouth badly when you first opened one, >remember the bottles (oh, for the days of pulling a cold coke bottle out of >the machine), but it felt so good. I suppose most of the public believed >the company when they said they went back to the original recipe (at least >the one I grew up with) but they didn't. The 'new' coke was flat and >basically tasteless without any zip and it remains so to this day. I gave >coke up then and switched to pepsi, which is good but not old coke. The >closest thing to that coke is rc cola (which is really hard to get, thanks >to the giants squeezing it out of the market) and even the cheapies at >wal-mart are better than coca-cola. It does still have some redeeming value >though as you can mix it with sprite and make a wonderful soda. Can't be >pepsi or 7-up or any other variation, only coke and sprite. Learned that in >the many years waiting tables. > >mack > >np: commodores. > >. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: update on the mgval fund An update on the fund which has been generously built upon by this wonderful community: initially, $1,215.00 was sent to Mary Grace on 12/13/03 the next cheque was sent out today, 12/20/03for a total of $555.00 another $100.00 was received after that cheque was posted, and this will be included in the next cheque which will be sent out approximately a week from now...depending on what we have received in the meantime. A total of 33 people have graciously taken part thus far. One person who contributed had visited the jmdl web site once. This person was so moved by the spirit of this community that they decided to send something too. Some of the contributors have never met MG, and again, I am completely and deeply moved by the generosity and good will of the community, be that donations, thoughts, prayers and well wishes which, in my understanding are coming to MG in many forms. thank you to all the angels who are making this possible. Mags and Brian xo ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: mgval fund p.s. sorry i meant to say that the total, including the most recent receipt of the 100 dollars as per mentioned in my last post is : $1,850.00 many many thanks, mags. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:44:43 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) Wally says: nothing, Nothing, NOTHING compares to vernor's ginger ale. when i die, i want my body pumped full of vernor's ginger ale and fountains squirting jets of vernor's ginger ale for everyone to bathe in and the PA system playing salome's final scene sung by dame gwyneth jones. that is my desire. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:22:15 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Joni Compilation Hi Michael, This is a great idea and long overdue. As you remarked earlier, the sound quality of many of these unofficial recordings is quite poor, and unfortunately this probably eliminates a lot of stuff. However, as you know, there are some good quality recordings out there, including the Hissing Demos, A Day in the Garden, and the Gene Autry Museum concert. Another that has quite good sound is the Tokyo-London concert series of 1983. I particularly like A Case of You from this, which features a very soulful Joni on solo guitar. Amelia and Woodstock are also favorites here. Everything from Gene Autry is brilliant, and I'd be hard-pressed to chose my favorites of that show. The Rock Master Class radio show of 1985 has a great version of Joni on acoustic piano singing Impossible Dreamer. In the Hissing Demos, I especially like Boho Dance and Dreamland, the latter of which is the only version I've heard that features a strong guitar track. Happy holidays, Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:22:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) How come I didn't even notice this 'til Emi re-sent it? Wally, you're insane. That's why I love you. When I die, could you please handle the funeral arrangements? I'll go with whatever works for you - I trust your judgement (LOL!) and have never wanted one of those "normal" funerals anyway. --- Emiliano wrote: > Wally says: > > > nothing, Nothing, NOTHING compares to vernor's > ginger ale. > when i die, i want my body pumped full of vernor's > ginger ale and fountains > squirting jets of vernor's ginger ale for everyone > to bathe in and the PA > system playing salome's final scene sung by dame > gwyneth jones. > that is my desire. > wally ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Compilation --- michael o'malley wrote: > Hi Michael, > > This is a great idea and long overdue. As you > remarked earlier, the sound > quality of many of these unofficial recordings is > quite poor, and > unfortunately this probably eliminates a lot of > stuff. However, as you know, > there are some good quality recordings out there, > including the Hissing Demos, > A Day in the Garden, and the Gene Autry Museum > concert. Another that has quite > good sound is the Tokyo-London concert series of > 1983. I particularly like A > Case of You from this, which features a very soulful > Joni on solo guitar. > Amelia and Woodstock are also favorites here. I was holding off on replying to this at all because, I dunno, I just hate voting on favourite anythings. It requires too much commitment, LOL, but I'm a tad tipsy right now, having polished off half-a-bottle of wine on my own (just because). OK, so maybe the sound quality isn't the best, but I do LOVE the version of Shadows and Light that Joni does on the live at the Philly Spectrum show (when was that? 76? je ne said pas...) so much so that I'm practicing it for Jonifest 04 (but don't tell anyone, heh-heh.) I'd vote for that simply because of its "difference" and I'm not aware of any similar versions (that might "sound" a bit better) out there. Long live Joni. She rocks. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:09:13 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Nature of the JMDL, NJC really - ----- Mensaje original ----- Bob's: > I was away on vacation for a week, and then paid the price for another week > at work, so I am catching up on two weeks of digests, and would like to weigh > in (constructively, I hope) about the thread that Jim started. > Hi, Bob! Yes I've noticed!. I was even fearing you'd have un*cribed like the other boys! I'm relieved. > As has been pointed out, in any large group there will be a wide range of > feelings and opinions. However, in this case, we are dealing with a list of Joni > aficionados. And Joni was perhaps the first (and surely the quintessential) > confessional singer songwriter - one who had the courage (and perhaps the folly > - or is it wisdom, after all) to bare her feelings publicly, even to those who > did not know her personally. It is true that this was not mere spilling of > guts - the art itself added redemptive justification for the self-revelations > contained in it. But call it cathartic, or liberating, the act of opening > oneself up - even in the tete a tete of saying 'I love you, right out loud' - > resonated (and still does) with a lot of her listeners. From my perspective, it is > not at all surprising that one will find more of this public openness on a Joni > list than on other lists. > I see what you mean; for sure, Joni's art let us in a way of life, love, learn, let.it.be, lawn, ... I must say there is no list like this List. Of course there's many defending serious, well informed and aimed projects to make Our -of Us All- world a little better. But I think there's no better forum to simply talk, to celebrate our SIQUOMB, to show we CARE, 'bout ouserlves, 'bout silly news... Not only I love this list, I take the chance to remember you: there's a list about Political Content from the JMDL (www.groups.yahoo.com/JMDLPC) ********************************************* and another to talk about these disturbing little things www.groups.yahoo.com/piss-n-moan ********************************************* along with the one with the beautiful photos: > Further triggering this post were my receipt of the Jonifest DVD's (thank you > Ashara - they're truly wonderful !) and Michael Paz's post (::::::::::) I've got them, too! Great! I still haven't the time to test th. (only 2, lim. budget) on my cheap standalone :plus, since holidays began, daughters are giving the Lion King discs some heavy rotation (from Clara's 10th bday this 2, my little , by now, lovy ones were too occupied, as all of us, to begin to know how a Movie is Made. The videos from the 2003 JoniFest are a true pleasure. You may say: - Obsessed. - Me. My greatest personal proud is to be able to recognize For What's Worth. >I recalled > an impression from the Fest that I think bears noting now (better late than > never) - namely, how unselfishly Michael Paz contributed to the musical > presentations, via assistance with the sound system and rehearsals, accompanying > others on their sets, and bringing groups together on his own set. This involved > almost a total time and energy committment on his part, which he volunteered > without any apparent ego fulfillment or request for thanks or applause. He made > a lot of people feel good with his generosity - and I believe him when he says > he has "grown as a person because of this list". > (...) > Best, > > Bobsart as always, Bob, you're Sooo Clever! As I'd say: this list is Gifted. Of course, is invocated to our SIQUOMB Have a Wonderful Christmas & Hanukkah & ... Time! Emiliano NP just now: Impossible Dreamer, from Rock Master Class, BBC radio, 29 December 1985 ps: I'm really apreciating and caring your contributions for the compilation! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:30:38 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Nature of the JMDL, NJC really - ----- Mensaje original ----- Bob's: > I was away on vacation for a week, and then paid the price for another week > at work, so I am catching up on two weeks of digests, and would like to weigh > in (constructively, I hope) about the thread that Jim started. > Hi, Bob! Yes I've noticed!. I was even fearing you'd have un*cribed like the other boys! I'm relieved. > As has been pointed out, in any large group there will be a wide range of > feelings and opinions. However, in this case, we are dealing with a list of Joni > aficionados. And Joni was perhaps the first (and surely the quintessential) > confessional singer songwriter - one who had the courage (and perhaps the folly > - or is it wisdom, after all) to bare her feelings publicly, even to those who > did not know her personally. It is true that this was not mere spilling of > guts - the art itself added redemptive justification for the self-revelations > contained in it. But call it cathartic, or liberating, the act of opening > oneself up - even in the tete a tete of saying 'I love you, right out loud' - > resonated (and still does) with a lot of her listeners. From my perspective, it is > not at all surprising that one will find more of this public openness on a Joni > list than on other lists. > I see what you mean; for sure, Joni's art let us in a way of life, love, learn, let.it.be, lawn, ... I must say there is no list like this List. Of course there's many defending serious, well informed and aimed projects to make Our -of Us All- world a little better. But I think there's no better forum to simply talk, to celebrate our SIQUOMB, to show we CARE, 'bout ouserlves, 'bout silly news... Not only I love this list, I take the chance to remember you: there's a list about Political Content from the JMDL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLPC/ ********************************************* and another to talk about these disturbing little things http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piss-n-moan/ ********************************************* along with the one with the beautiful photos: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoniMitchellfans > Further triggering this post were my receipt of the Jonifest DVD's (thank you > Ashara - they're truly wonderful !) and Michael Paz's post (::::::::::) I've got them, too! Great! I still haven't the time to test th. (only 2, lim. budget) on my cheap standalone :plus, since holidays began, daughters are giving the Lion King discs some heavy rotation (from Clara's 10th bday this 2, my little , by now, lovy ones were too occupied, as all of us, to begin to know how a Movie is Made. The videos from the 2003 JoniFest are a true pleasure. You may say: - Obsessed. - Me. My greatest personal proud is to be able to recognize For What's Worth. >I recalled > an impression from the Fest that I think bears noting now (better late than > never) - namely, how unselfishly Michael Paz contributed to the musical > presentations, via assistance with the sound system and rehearsals, accompanying > others on their sets, and bringing groups together on his own set. This involved > almost a total time and energy committment on his part, which he volunteered > without any apparent ego fulfillment or request for thanks or applause. He made > a lot of people feel good with his generosity - and I believe him when he says > he has "grown as a person because of this list". > (...) > Best, > > Bobsart as always, Bob, you're Sooo Clever! As I'd say: this list is Gifted. Of course, is invocated to our SIQUOMB Have a Wonderful Christmas & Hanukkah & ... Time! Emiliano NP just now: Impossible Dreamer, from Rock Master Class, BBC radio, 29 December 1985 ps: I'm really apreciating and caring your contributions for the compilation! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:05:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) maybe, and i say maybe, this could my new career! what's the pc name for this profession now? funeral director? passing-on consultants? grief managers? i say get me a trocar for my birthday! wally, wondering if i'll wear my tiara in my funeral > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Diciembre de 2003 08:22 p.m. > Para: Emiliano; JMDL > Asunto: Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) > > > How come I didn't even notice this 'til Emi re-sent > it? Wally, you're insane. That's why I love you. When > I die, could you please handle the funeral > arrangements? I'll go with whatever works for you - I > trust your judgement (LOL!) and have never wanted one > of those "normal" funerals anyway. > > --- Emiliano wrote: > Wally > says: > > > > > > nothing, Nothing, NOTHING compares to vernor's > > ginger ale. > > when i die, i want my body pumped full of vernor's > > ginger ale and fountains > > squirting jets of vernor's ginger ale for everyone > > to bathe in and the PA > > system playing salome's final scene sung by dame > > gwyneth jones. > > that is my desire. > > wally > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:26:48 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Daniel Pearl (njc) I was putting all my cd's( several hundred or so) in some sort of an order which actually feels really good the further I get- it's amazing what a difference a little organization can make...anyway, I came across a local Atlanta band cd "Wild West Picture Show" from 1994. They have long since disbanded but I was looking at the track listing and Daniel Pearl plays mandolin and fiddle on a couple of the tracks. I know he's more than likely on several local Atlanta cd's but it makes me realize that you have no idea what the future holds and that you might as well make the best of the time you have. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:54:48 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni Compilation Hi, You Rock! This is going very well! of course the original sound qualities aren't always the best ones, but... these songs! I only hope that I, a truly manazas, can be able to do a good editing on this :-) Peace and Love & Understanding! Emiliano NP: The Three Great Stimulants, from All Things Considered, NPR, Wahsington 28 may 1995 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Catherine McKay" Para: "michael o'malley" ; CC: Enviado: domingo, 21 de diciembre de 2003 0:36 Asunto: Re: Joni Compilation > --- michael o'malley wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > > > This is a great idea and long overdue. As you > > remarked earlier, the sound > > quality of many of these unofficial recordings is > > quite poor, and > > unfortunately this probably eliminates a lot of > > stuff. However, as you know, > > there are some good quality recordings out there, > > including the Hissing Demos, > > A Day in the Garden, and the Gene Autry Museum > > concert. Another that has quite > > good sound is the Tokyo-London concert series of > > 1983. I particularly like A > > Case of You from this, which features a very soulful > > Joni on solo guitar. > > Amelia and Woodstock are also favorites here. > > I was holding off on replying to this at all because, > I dunno, I just hate voting on favourite anythings. It > requires too much commitment, LOL, but I'm a tad tipsy > right now, having polished off half-a-bottle of wine > on my own (just because). OK, so maybe the sound > quality isn't the best, but I do LOVE the version of > Shadows and Light that Joni does on the live at the > Philly Spectrum show (when was that? 76? je ne sais > pas...) so much so that I'm practicing it for Jonifest > 04 (but don't tell anyone, heh-heh.) I'd vote for that > simply because of its "difference" and I'm not aware > of any similar versions (that might "sound" a bit > better) out there. (btw: The Spectrum Philadelphia, PA February 16, 1976) > > Long live Joni. She rocks. > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:05:01 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) Hi, Wally! How's your tiara? Emi Wally says: > maybe, and i say maybe, this could my new career! what's the pc name for > this profession now? funeral director? passing-on consultants? grief > managers? > i say get me a trocar for my birthday! > wally, wondering if i'll wear my tiara in my funeral ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:03:34 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Nature of the JMDL, NJC really Hi, dears, excuse me for sending it twice! Plus, at least the 1st post' s links won't work. Hugs & Christmas Kisses to You All: SSS: Emiliano NP: Something Old, Rod Taylor (ft. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:44:11 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Open letter to the Joni List Dear Joni-philes, I'm sitting here wondering what to do with my window of opportunity of feeling "normal," when it occurred to me that the time is long past due to send a deep, heartfelt thank you to the JMDL from the bottom of my heart. When my husband and I went to the emergency ward over Thanksgiving, the most we were expecting was medical wonderment at how such a hairball ended up in my guts. To find out that it's cancer right when I was still enjoying my honeymoon period has just been the worst news I've had since the Mets lost the World Series back in the 70's. Fortunately, the list has so sweetly and kindly sprung into action; spearheaded by Colin, Ashara, Mags and others. I can't tell you enough how much Jeff and I appreciate it. The fund raising was so helpful - I'm not much up to adding, subtracting and dividing on the 10-key these days and Jeff will be taking a leave of absence in January. The cards, phone calls, emails and prayers have also been touching. After I was done being weepy at your kindness and out of Puffs tissues, it certainly lifted my spirits to know so many out there are sending such positive thoughts. Even in the worst of moments these past weeks, Jeff and I have experienced more than a little bit of divine intervention. So thank you all again. Right now, I'm just trying to regain my strength after a bout with a secondary infection. I have some doctor appointments right after the holidays and will then settle on a treatment plan. We'll keep you posted. much love and thanks, MG and Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:47:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mes bijoux njc just as radiant as its owner! emi, i love you!!!! you are soooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!! wally, gasping for air on the first really hot night of almost summer. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Emiliano [mailto:emilianopd@mundo-r.com] > Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Diciembre de 2003 11:05 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; JMDL > Asunto: Re: Fw: coca cola njc (for AOL users) > > > Hi, Wally! > How's your tiara? > > Emi > > Wally says: > > > maybe, and i say maybe, this could my new career! what's the pc name for > > this profession now? funeral director? passing-on consultants? grief > > managers? > > i say get me a trocar for my birthday! > > wally, wondering if i'll wear my tiara in my funeral ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:46:04 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Byrds weed njc Hello all, In the spirit of the holidays, I am offering copies of the below. The TWO listers who first reply directly to me will be the winners and it is hoped that it will be offered up by them. I am LOOONG overdue on offering this up Mr, Paz- my sincere apologies! It's a GREAT set. Hoping that the lister who burned these for me will be kind enough to offer them up as well;-) We really should get this one going as it's fabulous. Happy holidays everyone. Stephen in Vancouver Byrds Family Tree - a 2cd set of either one or two Dutch radio shows. The Manassas material on here is very clean and includes Move Around. I received a very nice and complimentary mail recently from the Mysterious RV. The material on the Byrds Family Tree being weeded IS the same FM source as the RV Productions Manassas Amsterdam 3/22/72 upgraded version. THE BYRDS - Family Tree Disc 1 1 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 2-11 - Byrds - Amsterdam - 1971 2 You Ain't Going Nowhere 3 Lover Of The Bayou 4 Old Blue 5 Welcome Back Home 6 My Back Pages/Baby What You Want Me To Do 7 He Was A Friend Of Mine 8-9 (Dutch announcer) 10 You Don't Miss Your Water - w/Gram Parsons 11 Hickory Wind - w/Gram Parsons 12-13 (Dutch announcer) 14 Blackbird - CSN - Wembley - 1974 15-16 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 17-23 - Flying Burrito Brothers - Amsterdam - 1970 17 One Hundred Years From Now 18 (stage banter) 19 My Uncle 20 Cody, Cody 21 (stage banter) 22 Devil In Disguise 23 Clinch Mountain Backstep 24 (Dutch announcer) Disc 2 1 It Doesn't Matter - Manassas - (same venue/date as below) 2 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 3-4 - Byrds - Rome - 1968 3 Mr. Spaceman & I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better 4 Chimes Of Freedom 5 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 6-7 - McGuinn - Netherlands - 1991 6 Without Your Love 7 Turn Turn Turn 8 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 9-16 - Manassas - Amsterdam - 3/22/72 9 4 + 20 10 Bluesman 11 Word Game 12 Do For The Others 13 Move Around 14 Both Of Us (Bound To Lose) 15 Love The One You're With 16 He Was A Friend Of Mine 17 (Dutch announcer) - ----- End forwarded message ----- StephenHere ya go! Yes please offer this up on the Big List. I have had more requests for it but I am tied up with alot of different shit so I want to make it work as a weed. Thanks for helping. Best Paz Byrds Family Tree - a 2cd set of either one or two Dutch radio shows. The Manassas material on here is very clean and includes Move Around. I received a very nice and complimentary mail recently from the Mysterious RV. The material on the Byrds Family Tree being weeded IS the same FM source as the RV Productions Manassas Amsterdam 3/22/72 upgraded version. THE BYRDS - Family Tree Disc 1 1 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 2-11 - Byrds - Amsterdam - 1971 2 You Ain't Going Nowhere 3 Lover Of The Bayou 4 Old Blue 5 Welcome Back Home 6 My Back Pages/Baby What You Want Me To Do 7 He Was A Friend Of Mine 8-9 (Dutch announcer) 10 You Don't Miss Your Water - w/Gram Parsons 11 Hickory Wind - w/Gram Parsons 12-13 (Dutch announcer) 14 Blackbird - CSN - Wembley - 1974 15-16 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 17-23 - Flying Burrito Brothers - Amsterdam - 1970 17 One Hundred Years From Now 18 (stage banter) 19 My Uncle 20 Cody, Cody 21 (stage banter) 22 Devil In Disguise 23 Clinch Mountain Backstep 24 (Dutch announcer) Disc 2 1 It Doesn't Matter - Manassas - (same venue/date as below) 2 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 3-4 - Byrds - Rome - 1968 3 Mr. Spaceman & I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better 4 Chimes Of Freedom 5 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 6-7 - McGuinn - Netherlands - 1991 6 Without Your Love 7 Turn Turn Turn 8 (Dutch announcer) Tracks 9-16 - Manassas - Amsterdam - 3/22/72 9 4 + 20 10 Bluesman 11 Word Game 12 Do For The Others 13 Move Around 14 Both Of Us (Bound To Lose) 15 Love The One You're With 16 He Was A Friend Of Mine 17 (Dutch announcer) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:09:16 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Shadows And Light Dear List -- I need to replace my old Shadows And Light CD, and figure I may as well buy the DVD. Is there more than one release of the DVD, and if so, which do you suggest? Thanks, David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:57:39 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: it makes me sad it makes me sad sometimes to read the list, because you all have so much that i will never have. you've heard words that i will never hear, sounds that will never resonate in my ear. you are given lessons from the great joni that i will never share in. but then i think again, and she has given me so much, shared so very deeply with me and i am overwhelmingly grateful for what i have been offered and able to receive. why am i saying this? i guess we all wish for more sometimes, yet i know i am given all i need. praise God. thank you for sharing with me, all of you. peace Noel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:00:09 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and darkness Lori replied, re: a thread started I believe via a Jim/Anita dialogue "Doing a quick search of the JMDL lyrics database (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/), I found 27 songs where the word "dark" or "darkness" appears. Of course that doesn't mean that all those songs are about connecting with someone else in their darkness, but it might be fun and useful to do your own search and read the lyrics and see." Having just watched the DVD of Anita's emotionally charged version of "I Think I Understand", with virtually the entire audience chiming in as requested during the refrain lines (I Think I Understand, fear is like a wilderland, stepping stones and sinking sand), I would nominate that song (and Anita's performance) as evidence enough of that type of connection. I would add that it was a song that also made me shiver (and helped me not sink too deep) in my hours of darkness 30 + years ago. So, I'm with you on that one, Anita. Got my vote for "most favorite" song on "Clouds". :-) Best Bobsart I Think I Understand by Joni Mitchell Daylight falls upon the path The forest falls behind Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty The shadow trembles in its wrath I've robbed its blackness blind And tasted sunlight as my fear came clear to me I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand Now the way leads to the hills Above the steeple's chime Below me sleepy rooftops round the harbor It's there I'll take my thirsty fill Of friendship over wine Forgetting fear but never disregarding her Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand Sometimes voices in the night Will call me back again Back along the pathway of a troubled mind When forests rise to block the light That keeps a traveler sane I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones and sinking sand Copyright ) 1969; Siquomb Publishing Company ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:01:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 21 On December 21 the following articles were published: 1998: "Asner, Mitchell in anti-DreamWorks Documentary" - PRNewswire (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=246 1999: "Interview of Joni Mitchell" - KCSN-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=426 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #631 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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