From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #624 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 16 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 624 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc ["kakki" ] Desert Island Discs ["Paul Castle" ] check out this mad hissing of summer lawns poster on ebay! ["Dylan Rush" ] happy the man NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Saddam njc [Catherine McKay ] FINALLY!!!!!!! Announcing...Jonifest 2004!!!!!!!!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.c] Vince's Personal message (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] Joni Images ["kerry" ] State of the JMDL address (long, sorry) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: State of the JMDL address (long, sorry) [Les Irvin ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now ["Kate Bennett" ] patrick's gospel, , njc ["Kate Bennett" ] december 14!!!! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc [] Joni's up for a Grammy ["c Karma" ] Diane Keaton is brilliant njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) ["amelio747" ] Lord of the Rings promotion (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: Habitats...njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: december 14!!!! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Habitats...njc [tantra-apso ] Re: Lord of the Rings promotion (njc) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Habitats...njc [Chris Marshall ] Moon at the window (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Lord of the Rings promotion (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Martha Wainwright (and Rufus) [NJC] [Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc Amazing news. Hopefully he will receive his deserved justice. 45 cards out of the deck captured so far including the ace of spades. I have no faith in the Hague, however. Some interesting quotes from Bill Clinton back in March 2003. (and yes, I've read the whole interview and no, Clinton does not completely support Bush in it, but he does confirm my recollection of history). http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/clinton.htm Excerpts: "Al Gore has a good, clear unambiguous record of being strong, both before his service as Vice President and in all the private meetings we had in the White House, on the importance of trying to contain Saddam Hussein and dealing with his chemical and biological weapons." "Like I said, if I were one of those guys, I would feel pretty bad that I got talked into this hundred-hour war [in 1991]. But I've never criticized the Bush Administration for not deposing Saddam Hussein. A lot of people urged me to and I said, Look, it's not fair. Because I know the facts. And the facts are that George Bush had to promise not to march on Baghdad to get the Arab support." "But I'm pretty sure this is the right thing to do. Press ahead with this thing, try to.... We knew when we did the bombing in '98 that we hit all the known or suspected sites based on the intelligence we had, from all the people that were doing that work there. We knew at the time that we had set his program back a couple years. But sooner or later in the millennium the new Administration, whether it was Gore's or Bush's, would have to take this matter up again." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:25:03 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Desert Island Discs Azeem wrote >PS About time they had Joni on DID... I know what you mean, Azeem - but.... they sorta did. On Saturday I was at a party talking to a stranger about music - he asked me the desert island question and I'd hardly got the word 'Joni' out of my mouth before another stranger within earshot leapt into the conversation to say that she had just bought 'Night Ride Home' and had been listening to it for the first time just before she came to the party. Turns out she had heard the song on the BBC's 'Desert Island Discs' radio show a month or so ago when the author Nick Hornby (High Fidelity etc) was the guest. Just did a search to see who else has chosen a Joni song recently as one of their 8 choices - and found Actress Meera Syal ('Goodness Gracious Me' and the flirtatious granny in the 'Kumars at Number 42') "A Case of You" Theatre director Jude Kelly, "Blue" Pink Floyd's Dave Gilmour "For Free" biologist Dr Richard Dawkins (author of The Selfish Gene etc) "Michael from Mountains" We are not alone!! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:42:47 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: check out this mad hissing of summer lawns poster on ebay! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3371732843&category=45103 wow! i'd love to own that.. still don't have a joni poster in my room, i'd love to have her likeness on my wall somewhere. _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:48:22 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: happy the man NJC Thanks for all the good wishes. I celebrated my 50th birthday yesterday in an English Bar, owned by a Welsh guy here in Barcelona. I drank Guinness and Havana Club rum; I would much rather do this than attend lectures and my remarks earlier were not intended to cast any negative remarks about Guinness. Perish the thought. Also in attendance yesterday were approximately 30 friends: these included Catalans, Spanish, a guy from Chile and his German wife (they met in Peking and speak Chinese together at home); a guy from New Zealand married to a Catalana; a Scots woman, married to a Castellano-speaking Catalan; a Portuguese-Canadian and her Mallorcan partner; an Italian ex-colleague of mine, resident here now for 20 years; an English guy now married to a Catalan-Hungarian Jewish woman; an Irishman from Letterkenny and his Nigerian partner; another Irishman from Dublin who is married to a Basque woman; a Polish American and his Madrilenya partner; a Dutch jeweller who now plays in goal for the Catalan women's roller hockey team, and assorted multi-lingual, multicultural children of many of the above. This, for me, sums up the richness of living in this city and this part of the world in general. I may not live in a Spanish villa, but I am surrounded by people I love and who love me, but not BECAUSE we all come from the same place and share the same culture, language and religion, but DESPITE having different languages, cultures and religions. I am a happy person today. mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Saddam njc Here's a good summary IMO of the timelines of Saddam Hussein in today's Globe and Mail (yeah, I hate links too, but no one's forcing you to go there!) If, like me, you're not really sure what happened there and when, this is a pretty good summary, if a little on the long side. Hussein's life a history of brutality By TIMOTHY APPLEBY http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031215.wxsaddam1215/BNStory/International/ ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:01:53 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: FINALLY!!!!!!! Announcing...Jonifest 2004!!!!!!!!! Once again we convene at Full Moon Conference Center from August 26-30, 2004 for the best Jonifest ever! This will be our 7th Northeast Fest, and I am looking forward to hanging out with everyone again! Please go to: www.jonifest.com and check it out. There are some new features on the registration page, including a place to enter raffle donations, and a link to each volunteer so if you have specific questions about Jonifest, you can just click that person's link and ask!! Please remember that the rooms are taken on a first come, first served basis, so sign up early if you want a bed!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:52:06 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Vince's Personal message (njc) In a message dated 12/15/03 3:05:27 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: vince Subject: apologies to joni onlys I just posted something and forgot the njc tag - it hasn't shown up in my inbox so maybe it got lost somewhere but if it comes through it is totally NJC and I forgot to label it and i deeply apologize Vince >> Hey, Vince I, for one, appreciated your tale of shopping for music with your grandson. I guess there are "Joni-onlies" who will be less than thrilled but I enjoyed reading the lyrics and sharing a non-Joni musical experience with you. Thanks, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:58:07 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni Images I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I just found out about doing an "Image Search" on Google (okay, I'm a little slow...) Anyway, if you go to the Google site, click on Image Search and type in Joni Mitchell, it finds Joni images from every website imaginable. I found a lot of photos that I had never seen, some artwork (by Joni and of Joni) and a few bizarre things too - like a photo that looks similar to Hejira, but with someone else's face. Scary. Kerry ________________________________ "Dreams, Amelia, dreams and false alarms" NP - Bob Dylan - Not Dark Yet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:42:22 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: State of the JMDL address (long, sorry) Well, Ibve been thinking of writing this letter for quite a while; now that Ibve been laid-off from my job (again, but no regrets... it sucked!) I find I have a little extra time to compose it. All these recent exchanges about the state of the JMDL (why webre here, what we should be discussing, collecting contributions for members with hardships, etc.) got me to the point where Ibd really like to offer my opinion on the whole thing. Yes, itbs long but if youbre not into it, just btune me outb and move on to the next post. Also, I may be repeating a few things others have said but I canbt possibly go back and relate my thoughts to all that has already been written by others. On the subject of content: I briefly belonged to other bchat roomsb and sites devoted to other subjects and musicians in the past. Of course, anything not written about that subject was frowned upon but I found the repetition and boredom quickly setting in. One of the things I liked about the JMDL is that you could, from time to time, read something different... not JUST Joni related. I mean, how many times can you discuss the same artist or body of work before you run out of subject matter? Or begin to repeat yourself? Especially if that artist isnbt producing anything new. I'm amazed that some of you still manage to come up with new threads to keep us discussing Joni in so many ways. I used to be very involved with collecting old comics; I was particularly into the work of Carl Barks (famous Disney artist & writer who created such luminaries as Uncle Scrooge.) There were several bfanzinesb produced where people would write articles on the man and his work. After a while, though, people were beginning to write stories on why they thought Huey, Dewey and Louiebs hats were red, yellow and blue... I mean, it was the beginning of the end. Of course, you couldnbt write anything about other comic books or artists... it was Carl Barks only. None of those zines exist any more. While I enjoy reading some non-Joni posts on the JMDL, I realize that there must be some sense of relativity or pretty soon itbs NO Joni content at all. Ibve posted some non-Joni content from time to time but Ibve always felt it was about something other Joni fans might appreciate: a new artist Ibve been impressed with, a concert I attended, etc. Maybe we could all put a personal limit on (njc) of one a week? Or, one a month? But, as others have said, if a post is properly labeled as (njc) and I read a little bit and decide itbs nothing that interests me, itbs easy to just skip over that post. However, Ibve totally enjoyed some non-Joni posts and actually LEARNED something from them. Maybe itbs a new artist with an album I tried and loved or just a personal reflection that did my heart good to read, like Vincebs recent story about shopping for music with his grandson. Ibm so glad I was able to share that experience with him even though it had nothing to do with Joni. I think the biggest difference between the JMDL and other similar sites is the personal relationships webve formed with one another. I think webre more like family than just a bunch of fans that share a common bond; thatbs why I didnbt really mind when someone requested contributions for a member in need. The only problem I see there is what happens in many work places; people come around every week collecting for this onebs birthday and that onebs new baby and another onebs retirement... it could get out of hand, and how can you draw a line once itbs started? And I understand that some folks might be uncomfortable with that whole concept and feel, bGee, if I donbt send something in, theybre going to think Ibm cheap or I donbt care.b But, by and large, itbs the people that make this LMDL site work as well as it does. I only joined about a year ago (after lurking for a while, like everyone else) and have met some really great people (some on-line and some in person.) This site is truly different than most others of its type and perhaps itbs because we allow some non-Joni posts from time to time that we share a greater bond with each other. Of course, there may be some folks who want to remain more anonymous and just post their feeling on the music... I donbt know. Now, about this bInner Circleb thing: you know, that phrase has been on my mind since way back in the summer when so many of us were discussing the upcoming JoniFest. Now, I realize not everyone has this burning desire to attend a JoniFest. But, having done so myself, I can only say what an immense thrill it was to be with such a fabulous group of people for three days. But there are plenty of folks who donbt attend JoniFests and still have a fine time exchanging posts and contributing to the JMDL. And, you know something? There actually IS an bInner Circle.b Itbs comprised of all the people who actually DO something to keep this JMDL site going by starting threads, answering other peoplebs questions, organizing JoniFests, making CD copies for other members... itbs everyone who actually CONTRIBUTES something of their time and effort. Ibve been very involved in photography over the years and belonged to several camera clubs. Every club was different but all shared one thing in common: there was always a small group of people who did all the WORK; someone had to preside over meetings (President), someone else had to book the lectures and shows (Program Chairman), someone had to keep track of the dues and expenditures (Treasurer.) And you know what? It was always the same group of people... an binner circleb, if you like. And you know how you could break into that inner circle? Simply volunteer to do something! Is there a JMDL binner Circle?b Of course there is... itbs Ashara organizing JoniFests, itbs Paz lending his expertise during someonebs performance at the Fest, itbs Bob Muller making CD collections of Joni covers so others can hear them, itbs Les keeping this site up and running and organized. But itbs also Catherine from Toronto wishing some other member a Happy Birthday, itbs Anita from England sending me a photo she took of us at last yearbs JoniFest, itbs Bob Sartorius sending people the music for a Joni song that they desperately need, itbs Victor listing the guitar tabs for a song someone else wants to learn... itbs everyone who posts a message regularly on the JMDL and who takes an interest in assuring its continuing success and well being. How does one become a member of the inner circle? Simple! Just take an active role in posting messages, responses to othersb questions, and a concern for whatbs going on with regard to the JMDL. You say you donbt have time for all that? No problem... people here will love you just the same... after all, we canbt all have the time and talent to do all the things some of these other people do. But to say an inner circle doesnbt exist is just silly; of course it does... otherwise none of this would be possible. And the JMDL would be just like any other chat room. Scary thought, isnbt it? Love and peace, Happy Holidays to all, Kenny B P.S. Hey, Bob, I made it all the way through without mentioning Loni once ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:40:38 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: State of the JMDL address (long, sorry) At 12/15/2003 08:42 AM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >How does one become a member of the inner circle? Simple! Just take an >active role in posting messages, responses to other's questions, and a >concern >for what's going on with regard to the JMDL. I couldn't have said it better myself! Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:54:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now >Paint it Black - Stones< Amazing how simple yet mesmerizing that song is ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:01:16 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: a personal story NJC That's so cool about gabe's song of the year vince! Glad so see that peace, love & understanding is making a comeback in the youngest generation! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:09:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: patrick's gospel, , njc >particularly cool is that on tuesday, we found out that were going to be on good morning america, taping tomorrow morning for christmas day broadcast nationally. so check your local abc affiliate, if all goes well, kay and i will be singing in your home on christmas. the choir is scheduled to sing at 7:30, 8:00, 8:30 and 9:00, during the closing credits.< Very cool patrick & kay!!!...please tell us where in the choir you both are so we can look for you! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:12:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: december 14!!!! NJC Happy birthday mike, villa or not! >H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y dear mike in barcelona!!!< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:33:51 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc McKay, Have you ever heard the Pink Floyd album that came after "The Wall", called "The Final Cut"? Roger Waters (one of the Great Lyricists of the rock era) grew up without his father (Fletcher Waters apparently) because he passed away in service to the Crown during WWII. Roger imagines a retirement home for tyrants in song: - -------- "The Fletcher Memorial Home" Take all your overgrown infants away some- where and build them a home, 'The Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings'. They can appear to themselves everyday on closed-circuit T.V. to make sure they're still real. It's the only connection they feel. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Reagan and Haig, Mr. Begin, and friend Mrs. Thatcher and Paisley, Mr. Breznev and party, the ghost of (Senator Joseph) McCarthy, the memories of Nixon, and now *AND IN COLOR* a group of anonymous latin-american meat packing glitterati. Did they expect us to treat them with any respect? They can polish their metals and sharpen their smiles and amuse themselves playing games for awhile. "Boom, boom. Bang, bang. Lie down, you're dead." Safe in the permenant gaze of a cold glass eye with their favourite (sic) toys, they're be good girls and boys in the The Fletcher Memorial Home for colonial wasters of life and limb. Is everyone in? Are you having a nice time? Good. Now, the final solution can be applied. - -------- Like I said, McKay, he's one of the best! All the best, Lama McKay envisioned, >I sometimes wonder > if there's a home for Tyrants-in-Exile somewhere that > we don't know about. I imagine all the elderly > dictators sitting around on a porch somewhere, doing > needlepoint and discussing their favourite torture > techniques, each one trying to out-yell the other. > Somehow I don't think they'd get along very well with > one another, so maybe sticking them altogether in such > a home might be the best possible punishment for them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:01:29 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni's up for a Grammy Joni and Vince are up for Travelogue's version of "Woodstock?" Great choice. Maybe the nominating committee or Nonesuch know what they're doing after all. I can't think of another piece of music that can simultaneously invoke the ghosts of both Lyndon Johnson and Chief Seattle simultaneously. It's a rarity: classic, contemporary AND documentary all together. Probably the most important "recontextualization" on the record IMHO, and one that maintains the stature of the material. CC _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:08:58 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Diane Keaton is brilliant njc <> I saw this movie over the weekend, and though not a Jack Nicholson fan, I enjoyed it very much! It really appealed to me, being in that "older" catagory. (Plus, Keanau Reeves was NOT hard to look at for 2 hours!!) :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:23:14 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) One more thing about this topic. As many of you know, I sing and play guitar in a World Music band. For most of the songs I sing, (I sing in 17 languages so far) I have absolutely no idea what the words mean when first introduced to them. I usually do not find out the meaning until I research the song and have someone translate it for me. However, I have been moved to tears on many occasions just from the pure beauty of the music and the singer. This, to me, is the greatest gift of all- to be moved that deeply by music. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:36:36 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) Ashara, I think I know what you mean. It's like the music evokes a meaning which is too beautiful-amazing or even complicated to put into words/thought. Something that you can't explain. I say this more as a listener though I have been known to sing a long to music at the top of my voice! * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) > One more thing about this topic. As many of you know, I sing and play guitar > in a World Music band. For most of the songs I sing, (I sing in 17 languages > so far) I have absolutely no idea what the words mean when first introduced to > them. I usually do not find out the meaning until I research the song and have > someone translate it for me. However, I have been moved to tears on many > occasions just from the pure beauty of the music and the singer. This, to me, is > the greatest gift of all- to be moved that deeply by music. > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:38:35 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Habitats...njc From: "ash" > So non of you live in apartments? ...as in Sex in the city? ...those old factories converted into apartments that all American sitcoms seem to be set in i.e. Seinfeld! or the Hampton's? .....where ever that maybe!..or Dawson's Creek?, Bay watch?, a Dude ranch?, Sunset Boulevard?, Beverly Hills?, Death Valley?, Muscle Beach....near the Kennedy's....Hyannis port (sp) or is it where Jessica Fletcher of "Murder she wrote fame"? Area 51? >I have lived in a tent, caravan, my parents home, my in-laws home (oops still do and sleep with my father in laws daughter!!), 3 homes we have owned ( a pole home, a wooden one, a stone and a brick one) a squat, a large house that a wrecking ball came thru the side wall... an hour after leaving it! a roach motel, a hotel/motel, a block of flats, a stately home with a ghost, a lighthouse, a 15th century bakery, a bed sit..ooops bed sits, my mates couch/sofa, my mates grandma with his grandma in it, the bath, on top of a fridge, a greenhouse, back of a car, on a ferry, a train all the way to Scotland from London..when I should have got off at Manchester, the beach (stones and sand) under the stars...... Hey Ash! You've lived in many and varied places! Since you asked... I'm retired and live in a motorhome full-time, so my vistas are varied as well. At the moment I'm docked in a trailer park (and by association, am now true "Trailer Trash," a distinctly American term) in East Central New Mexico, 70 miles north of Roswell-of-UFO fame, while on a long term visit with my oldest son who is stationed at Cannon AFB. Over the past year or three I've "docked" on the beach in the Florida Panhandle; in Brownsville, Austin, & Houston, Texas; numerous state and national parks on the west coast, southwest, central plains, and northeast; and a LOT of points in between. Prior to my second retirement I was a career USAF guy and lived in Oregon, Oklahoma, California, Mississippi, North Dakota (where I met the lovely Lori Fye!), Tokyo, London, and maybe the most interesting of all...Sinop-on-the-Beautiful-Turkish-Black-Sea coast. I'd be interested in hearing where the rest of you JMDLers live. My two weeks of lurking leads me to believe this is an extremely eclectic group of folks, in *every* sense of the word. Buck, enduring a chilly (34 degrees F) New Mexico dust storm (40 ~ 55 mph winds) NP: Joan Osborne - "Relish" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:58:33 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Lord of the Rings promotion (njc) The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King opens in theaters on Dec 17th. For a limited time, if you order a copy of "Parsonage Lane" and send a Return of the King ticket stub with your order, you will receive an additional $2.00 off. "Parsonage Lane" features the song "Master of the Ring" a song that captures the heart and passion of Tolkien's world. Special guest on drums and percussion is River Guerguerian, a world class percussionist who worked with composer Tan Dun for several years to develop the sounds for the award winning soundtrack to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Parsonage Lane was produced by award winning songwriter and producer Chris Rosser and features several other stellar musicians. Visit http://www.waytobluemusic.com for more information. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:04:13 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Diane Keaton is brilliant njc Ashara posted: > >I saw this movie over the weekend, and though not a Jack Nicholson fan, I >enjoyed it very much! It really appealed to me, being in that "older" catagory. >(Plus, Keanau Reeves was NOT hard to look at for 2 hours!!) :-) > Yet she has been complaining about having to kiss him - she says it is not right for a woman of her age to kiss a guy of Reeves age - that one I do not understand. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:08:55 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Habitats...njc > >I have lived in a tent, caravan, my parents home, my in-laws home (oops > still do and sleep with my father in laws daughter!!), 3 homes we have owned > ( a pole home, a wooden one, a stone and a brick one) a squat, a large > house that a wrecking ball came thru the side wall... an hour after leaving > it! >> I'd be interested in hearing where the rest of you JMDLers live. My two > weeks of lurking leads me to believe this is an extremely eclectic group of > folks, in *every* sense of the word. I once lived in a closed down Kraft cheese factory run by a couple of slackers, inhabited by more slackers and punks, on a street often populated by thugs, scam artists, and hookers. I was sharing a large mostly cement room with tiny windows with a couple of musicians I had met through work. There was one common bathroom that was a miserable shower, no kitchen to speak of except for a community microwave and very little sunlight. I lived there for two or three months, got stuck with the rent the last month when my "roommates" suddenly disappeared, and moved out shortly before the building was comdemned and boarded up. In the front there was a motorcycle repair shop. There were some positive notes about living there however. I wrote what possibly may be my favorite song I have ever written "Wonderland", and once tripped on LSD and listened to the entire Frank Zappa "Thingfish" all the way through. Victor NP: REM - Hyena Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: december 14!!!! NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Happy birthday mike, villa or not! > This just suddenly reminded me - my best friend in high school's last name was Mezzavilla - I guess she had only a half-a-villa - LOL! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:26:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > McKay, > Have you ever heard the Pink Floyd album that came > after "The Wall", called "The Final Cut"? Roger > Waters (one of the Great Lyricists of the rock era) > grew up without his father (Fletcher Waters > apparently) because he passed away in service to the > Crown during WWII. > > Roger imagines a retirement home for tyrants in > song: LOL! I've never heard that one (except maybe subliminally). I guess I stopped buying PF after The Wall. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > One more thing about this topic. As many of you > know, I sing and play guitar > in a World Music band. For most of the songs I sing, > (I sing in 17 languages > so far) I have absolutely no idea what the words > mean when first introduced to > them. I usually do not find out the meaning until I > research the song and have > someone translate it for me. However, I have been > moved to tears on many > occasions just from the pure beauty of the music and > the singer. This, to me, is > the greatest gift of all- to be moved that deeply by > music. That's true - our choir has sung in Latin, Italian, Hebrew, Ladino, French and y'know there may be more. I've studied Latin, Italian and French throughout high school and university, but don't know any Hebrew or Ladino. They do provide a translation of the words, but translations never can do justice to the true beautiful sounds of the words in their original language. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Habitats...njc --- Norman Pennington wrote: Since you > asked... I'm retired and > live in a motorhome full-time, so my vistas are > varied as well. At the > moment I'm docked in a trailer park (and by > association, am now true > "Trailer Trash," a distinctly American term) in East > Central New Mexico, 70 > miles north of Roswell-of-UFO fame, while on a long > term visit with my > oldest son who is stationed at Cannon AFB. That's the beauty of it - you can live wherever you want - just put the key in the ignition and move your house (literally). How cool is that? > I'd be interested in hearing where the rest of you > JMDLers live. My two > weeks of lurking leads me to believe this is an > extremely eclectic group of > folks, in *every* sense of the word. Yep, looks like you're going to fit right in here, Buck. Welcome to the place (again). I was going to point to a URL where I had a pic of my house posted, realized I had deleted it from there - and that, because my hard disk crashed a few weeks ago, I had lost them from the disk too. But no matter, I have a digital camera, so one will be up there shortly, at which time I'll SHOW you what my house looks like. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:40:19 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Habitats...njc My airiest homes, and one with everchanging decor, was on the streets of Soho circa 78-81. Different home most nights, lots of love and care from the rent boys and girsl who fed me, and shelterd me and protected me. Funny how the scum of the earth showed me more repsect and care during that time than the respectable people. Apart from that period, i have lived in 34 acutal 'homes',(in 5 different countries) my present one being the 34th and I moved here 4.75 years ago. My haven. Untidy, full of dogs and stuff, clothes strewn about despite the wardrobes, but it is HOME and I love it and feel safe in it. Heaven sent. I fantasize sometimes or havong a home designed just as I want it, all spic and span, spacious. Trouble is I know that within a week of moving in, it will be crowded and full of unnecessary stuff and not be tidy. Maybe I should live in a hotel-cept I I hate people tidying up after me-can neevr find anything then.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:01:06 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings promotion (njc) On 16 Dec 2003, at 1:58, Victor Johnson wrote: > "Parsonage Lane" features the song "Master of the Ring" a song > that captures the heart and passion of Tolkien's world. Just thought I'd chime in here and recommend that people check this song out - it ended up being one of my highlights from Jonifest 2001. (OK, partly because I played on it there, but hey :) Hands up who's hyped by the release (*finally*) of Return Of The King? Personally, after seeing the Ralph Bakshi live-action version I was left both excited at seeing Tolkien on the screen and dreadfully disappointed at its premature end 1/3 of the way through the saga. While Jackson has played fast and loose with the story to a degree I am so thrilled to see such a comprehensive treatment of LOTR. I'll be spending Saturday with a couple of friends (you know who you are) watching the extended DVD versions of the first two, then going to the cinema to see the final part in the evening. I imagine our eyes will be out on stalks by the end of it. Is that sad? I dunno. But I'm looking forward to it! - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:12:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Glasses raised and... (njC) A very Happy Birthday to Mike in Barcelona! I am rasing my glass towards the east (a veery frigid Gordon's Gin Straight up with a splash of olive juice). Hope you have a wonderful day. Best Paz NP-ON DVD!!! Streets of London-Queen LuLu Lucy Hone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:14:33 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Habitats...njc Ummm, dull, by comparison. Lived in the same place from age under-12-months to 18 years. Went to University. Graduated, moved to Cambridge. Have been in the area ever since, in a variety of rented places, before spending six years (so far) in my own place. Mine. My own. Home. Home is a great source of comfort - one of the three most important things in my life. One thing I really like about having some place that you can identify as your own? Every now and then you can tweak it: change something around, decorate a room, or just tidy up... then fall in love with it all over again. All written while sat in my bomb-site of an office. I love most of the house then... :) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:19:40 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Moon at the window (NJC) (Marked NJC as there's only a tangential Joni connection.) I always think of Joni when there's a nice moon in the sky. Having clear skies and a decent digital camera, I thought I'd see what I could do about capturing it. Now I'm no expert, but I'm quite please with the shots I got. My efforts are here: http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/EOS300D/ (On the cloudy shots, click twice for an insanely big version. Unless you're on dial-up, that is... you'll want to make coffee if so.) Anyway, enjoy. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:35:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? (NJC) Ashara I really know what you mean. My dear friend singer songwriter Zachary Richard released a french album called Cap Enrages' that went triple platinum in Canada. It is in my top ten albums of all time. I can't understand about 90% of it, but I feel it cause of the music and the emotion in the vocal. This is an amazing album all of you should check out. Check him out at http://zacharyrichard.com/ . Love Paz NP-That Song About the Midway-Jack Neilson at JF2003 DVD #2 > One more thing about this topic. As many of you know, I sing and play guitar > in a World Music band. For most of the songs I sing, (I sing in 17 languages > so far) I have absolutely no idea what the words mean when first introduced to > them. I usually do not find out the meaning until I research the song and have > someone translate it for me. However, I have been moved to tears on many > occasions just from the pure beauty of the music and the singer. This, to me, > is > the greatest gift of all- to be moved that deeply by music. > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:41:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Habitats...njc --- tantra-apso wrote: > > Funny how the scum of the earth showed me more > repsect and care during > that time than the respectable people. That's very true. Street people do look out for one another. It's very touching. > I fantasize sometimes or havong > a home designed just > as I want it, all spic and span, spacious. Trouble > is I know that within > a week of moving in, it will be crowded and full of > unnecessary stuff > and not be tidy. Maybe I should live in a hotel-cept > I I hate people > tidying up after me-can neevr find anything then.... You and I are soul-siblings. My place is a constant mess. I think paperwork reproduces when no one is looking. About twice a year I get this major urge to clean up and organize and within 24 hours of having done so (if I ever finish the job, even) it's back to being a disorderly mess. Same with my desk at work. If something isn't right there where I can put my hands on it, I forget it even exists. Forget filing systems. I find things by "feel" - not by pawing around until I touch it, but simply by the way the air and my hands feel in space. I remember phone numbers and codes like the key-code to get into some parts of the office (those push-button things) and PINs not so much by the numbers but by remembering the way my hands move over the keys or the buttons. Same with phone numbers. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:49:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings promotion (njc) --- Chris Marshall wrote: > I'll be spending Saturday with a couple of friends > (you know who > you are) watching the extended DVD versions of the > first two, > then going to the cinema to see the final part in > the evening. > I imagine our eyes will be out on stalks by the end > of it. > > Is that sad? I dunno. But I'm looking forward to it! > Chris, you geek! LOL! Enjoy it - it sounds like fun. I confess I didn't see either of the first two on the big screen but waited 'til they came out on video/DVD. I think it's probably one film (or three) that you SHOULD see on big screen. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Moon at the window (NJC) --- Chris Marshall wrote: > (Marked NJC as there's only a tangential Joni > connection.) > > I always think of Joni when there's a nice moon in > the sky. > Having clear skies and a decent digital camera, I > thought > I'd see what I could do about capturing it. Now I'm > no > expert, but I'm quite please with the shots I got. > > My efforts are here: > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/EOS300D/ Whoa! Decent, you say? Those are awesome shots - you must have one of those REALLY expensive cameras - with a telescope attached? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:40:46 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright (and Rufus) [NJC] At 7:38 PM -0500 12/13/03, JMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:19:42 -0500 >From: "michael o'malley" >Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright, again , njc > >About Martha's recordings, you can order online a self-titled disc of six >songs (which I have not heard yet) at Amazon: >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001IIC4/qid%3D1071341811/sr%3D11-1/ >ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-9128533-5665712 > >At her concerts, you can pick up a sampler called `Factory`` that contains >four more songs. > >And if you have the McGarrigle Hour disc, you can also hear her on track 12, >in the very sweet Porter tune, ``Allez-vous-en,`` in which she does the >vocals. > >At the concert I saw recently, Kate accompanied her on piano, as Martha >strummed out ``Year of the Dragon`` on guitar. That was a special treat. > >Michael in Quebec Hi ya'll. I'm just back from Rufus's shows in the Northwest (Oregon, Vancouver, Seattle), and Martha is opening at them all. What a treat to see them in Canada! Canadians are so nice. Next to last show is this Thursday at the Wiltern in LA, and final show of the tour Friday the 19th at The Warfield in SF, Martha is opening for them both. Few tickets still remain for both. Matt Johnson, Jeff Buckley's drummer, is in the band, as is Jenni Muldaur (Maria and Jeff's daughter - she's a kick with Martha). Teddy Thompson was in it at the beginning last month but had to leave to accompany mom, Linda, on tour in Japan. Martha has a NEW EP out available at the shows only, but in about 2 months her website will be up, www.marthawainwright.com, and you'll be able to order all 3 EP's there, and . . there is a record deal in the works, which will include fuller versions of most of her songs. (Year of the Dragon is on The McGarrigle Hour CD and DVD/VHS, it's from '96....). She's amazing live and a truly lovely young woman. And as for her brother, Rufus, the crystal meth and other hard drugs and his inner demons made him beyond bratty and even rude. He is clean a year now, been through lots of therapy, and is doing so well, it is astounding. Looks and sounds better than ever, his new cd, Want, made Rolling Stones top 50 of 2003 (for what that's worth) and he is sweet, funny, and lovable in real life and onstage now. The tour show is 2 hours + solid and fabulous, just fabulous, he's never been stronger. Take it from one who's been close to him, he's a dear sweet man, and a huge talent. Expect and prepare to see great things from him in the future. Richard n.p. - 14th Street, "Want": Rufus Wainwright At 7:38 PM -0500 12/13/03, JMDL Digest wrote: >ate: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:20:17 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: Martha Wainwright, again NJC > >Michael >Rufus - he has always struck me as being a bit of a brat, >albeit a talented one. I must say though, in his defense, he is a >charming and generous performer.< > >I saw him last year here & really enjoyed the show but I could see how >he might be considered a bit of a wildcard in a 'who knows what he is >going to do or say' kind of way...now that he has spoken of his >addiction I wonder if some of that brattiness was due to his substance >abuse? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:25:06 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: (njc)Old farts singing -- my 2 cents Hi, gang -- I've been reading digests, trying to catch up on what's going on, etc., so sorry if some of this duplicates previously expressed sentiments... I've recently bought a bunch of CDs, some of them recently released, some not, and also been listening to several CDs I've had for some time. (1) The Ron Isley/Burt Bacharach album -- exquisite. Isley's voice, including his ever-astonishing falsetto, and his overall vocal skills are perfect for BB's amazing songs. I'm a BB fanatic -- know hundreds of his songs, and performed one of his obscurities at the '03 Fest. I consider him a genius on the scale (dare I say it?) of JM and Laura. Anyhoo, the more obscure the songs on this album, the better. In particular, In Between the Heartaches, and the title song, Here I Am. Isley was dating Dionne Warwick when she made what I think is her best early album (her fifth), the almost-all-Bacharach "Here I Am", circa '65. That's right, the same album name. (Isley admits in the liner notes that he had songwriter envy at the time.) The two newer songs are okay, but forgettable. BB seems to reach up, or down, to whatever lyrics he's given at any given time. The '94 album with E. Costello was great (imho), but most of his output in the '80's (when he was married to Carole Bayer Sager, who is a solid if usually uninspired lyricist) was kinda bland. But as with JM, bad stuff from BB is better than good stuff from most people. Overall, unless you really, really hate BB, this is a must-have. (2) Oddly, Isley *didn't* cover Walk On By, one of Bacharach/David/Warwick's biggest hits of all time. But Cyndi Lauper does -- what a great approach to the song! More tentative, if just as mournful, than the usual approaches. I'm betting the general sentiment is the same as mine, but: The whole album is wonderful, packaging included! (The pix are great, and doesn't she look fabulous.) My personal fave is the Aretha Franklin cover "That's What I'm Gonna Do". Again, sort of a tentative approach... I don't know why, but I was shocked to learn that Cyndi is 50! I'm somewhat guilty of forgetting that people, including famous ones, age at roughly the same rate as I do, but I guess I was unaware that CL was slightly older than I am... (3) ...as is Annie Lennox. I had misgivings as I was reading the cover on the way home -- heavens, Annie, brevity, brevity! (And this coming from me, the king/queen of rambling!!) I've read doctoral dissertations shorter than her explanation(s) as to the content and cover photo. Jesus, Annie, how about "The lyrics express my continued aggravation with the male sex, and the picture is because I look great naked; oh, and I wear fake eyelashes cuz i have gorgeous fecking eyes..." I notice she doesn't explain the dog collar. Anyway, it sounds like a perfectly fine Eurythmics album to me. Annie seems depressed in some of the songs: "Love don't show up in the pavement cracks/And all my watercolors fade to black..." Laugh riot! Although Annie doesn't cover "Walk On By" (these are all originals), she does have "If you see me walking down the street..." in one of the lyrics... (4) But Dionne did cover her own "Walk On By" in her Dionne Sings Dionne album, which isn't new -- it's from '98, but I never got around to buying it until now. Odd but lovable album. Some of them may be cuts from earlier albums, but her oldies, she obviously recut for this album. I was surprised to see on the back cover that she'd redone "Do You Know The Way...", since she's always said she *hated* that song -- then I heard it. *This* is the way the song should always have been recorded -- as energetic salsa, with Celia Cruz herself providing patter en espanol, and the Pete Escovedo Orchestra providing, um, the salsa. Nice South-Africa-flavored "Always Something There..." with Jonathan Butler. Odd version of "What the World Needs Now..." with a dozen or so hip-hop dudes from both coasts -- I seem to recall she got some grief for this, but both her sons are musicians, and one works with hip-hop artists, so it makes sense -- and I imagine her intentions were good, in any case... (5) I've also been listening to G. Lightfoot's "Gordy's Gold", originally a double-LP from ca. 1975. Back when I had said double LP, I used to listen to the dozen or so songs that I knew and liked, as we all did and do -- easier now with CDs, of course. My favorite was always "Beautiful", but there are so many others... But one that I'd never paid attention to was "Circle of Steel". My goodness! Joni's not the only Canadian with a gloomy take on Christmas, is she? (Briefly, a woman gets blotto on gin as she tells her kid why s/he has to be given up for adoption on Christmas Day, or something to that effect -- another laff riot!) (6) I just today got in the mail Bette's Rosemary Clooney album -- great idea - -- looking forward to listening to it. (7) Was recently re-listening to Linda Ronstadt's "Round Midnight" double cd - -- collection of the 3 Nelson Riddle albums from the '80's. Lovely, in general. (Speaking of which, I wish they'd similarly collect the 3 widely-spaced Carly Simon standards albums, what were they called? Torch, I think, then My Romance, then the more recent Jimmy Webb- produced one with movie songs..., ah, found it, it called Film Noir). But I had to stop looking at the cover and liner notes while I was listening, because I couldn't stop giggling. On the cover, LR is being held by a 40's era sailor as she looks vaguely, and I do mean vaguely, downward. Similar photo on the front of the liner notes, except now she's looking even more vaguely *upwards* and it's now clear what was going on in the previous picture, cuz now, *clearly*, the drugs have kicked in... (7) Re: someone's reference to Michael Bolton singing "At Last" -- does he have a whole album of oldies, a la Rod Stewart? Speaking of which, I mean, chacun a son gout, but SHEEESSSHHH!!! A *second* album of same? Gag me. I suppose there are those (may they perish) that don't like JM's current voice on BSN, but I really, really, never *got* Rod S., and never will. I know, I know, early stuff was good yadayadayada, but, well, to each his own. (8) Caught Judy Collins on a couple of PBS specials, one of the "This Land Is..." thingies, and also a re-broadcast of a concert from (?) 2000 or 2001 in Colorado. She's as beautiful as ever, and her range is the same as it always was -- but is it just me, or does she still have a little trouble with tempo and control? If she sang BSN any faster, it'd be "Both Sides Last Week", and I swear, she slides up to about a quarter-step sharp a little too often, a problem I first noticed back in the '70's... (9) Anybody else see (recent, I think) the PBS show about Dave Brubeck? May we all be so happy in our work at 83(!) as he is. Still touring, still playing piano masterfully. Take 5, dude. Well, how I've run on (what else is new?) -- hope everyone's having a safe, reasonably happy December. A prayer out to MG and any other of our clan who are ailing. peace and love, walt ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #624 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)