From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #622 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 622 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- whats in a name? [ash ] kindness of strangers njc..non at all!! [ash ] Emmylou on Desert Island Discs next Sunday njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Worst Album Covers Ever (njc!) ["David Rahall" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: Simon and Garfunkel Reunion (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now ["mike pritchard" ] Diane Keaton is brilliant njc [vince ] a personal story njc [vince ] a personal story [vince ] apologies to joni onlys [vince ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now [magsnbrei ] Who *are* they? (njc) ["David Rahall" ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, in Spain: NJC [] Re: not a Villa, in Spain, now 5 books in a shoe box NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: grace songs njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Amazingly graceful swaps, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: a personal story njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now [Catherine McKay ] Rickie Lee Jones, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Grace suggestions ["Happy The Man" ] patrick's gospel, , njc [pleader@nyc.rr.com] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC ["] RE: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC ["] RE: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC ["] Re: patrick's gospel, , njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC ["] Victors of the world, unite - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc [Catherine McKay Subject: whats in a name? its almost Xmas..yes last night... My 15 year old son says.."I got you your present dad..what are you buying me he says?" I lie of course..."something you have always wanted.!"...its so easy as a parent to say these thing...... come back Doctor Suess!..he hopes its a girl as his hormones are racing! I then ask what he has got me?...his reply...as he is the type of lad who can't lie "You know.....mmm a CD of that old woman you like (he is teasing..of course?) the one with the white hair?" "You mean Joni...Joni Mitchell?"...I ask him..... as he is always on EBay! "er no...well its Jones!.......Rickie Lee Jones.......Jones?...Joni? whets the difference he says?" and I see that it is 'The Evening of My Best Day'...its had good revues..and I think what shall I get him?...... Emmylou Harris.....I am sure he would love that!!...okay Article in Australian Newspaper Magazine.... about Annie Leibovitz....... " Her Portrait of the R&B singer Mary J. Blige is striking in its raw simplicity, perfectly capturing both her subjects street cred and vulnerability. Joni Mitchell and Emmylou Harris are snapped with their eyes tightly closed, as if lost in thought, the simplest metaphor for the deep well of interior emotions both draw on in their music......." well it did mention Joni! Did you see Fleetwood Mac on the music awards?......what was done to them? Mick shouting we are 50+ and we are not dead...did look very good did it? Sheryl Crow!! and her greatest Hits Cd...she made the comment......I thought the greatest hits was good idea (mmm not the record company?)...I hope my career is not seen as being over by doing this? and the other Mick...Sir Mick...having a dig at Keef!! Ash last bit...how many boxed sets will be rushed out for the Xmas sales?...please not another Doors one...I have more that 10...!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:55:43 +1100 From: ash Subject: kindness of strangers njc..non at all!! thank you for all your wonderful emails! but maybe I am on the wrong site??? not one of you lives in a villa in Spain! I sort of DID imagine you exhippies living in sanctuary heaven of the shares you got early on..helping Mr Bill Gates start up? It has come to me as quite a shock that you all seem to be as humble as me! is this at all possible? ...I was hoping you would be interested in adopting me...I don't take up much room! So non of you live in apartments? ...as in Sex in the city? ...those old factories converted into apartments that all American sitcoms seem to be set in i.e. Seinfeld! or the Hampton's? .....where ever that maybe!..or Dawson's Creek?, Bay watch?, a Dude ranch?, Sunset Boulevard?, Beverly Hills?, Death Valley?, Muscle Beach....near the Kennedy's....Hyannis port (sp) or is it where Jessica Fletcher of "Murder she wrote fame"? Area 51? Joni's beloved valley do I have to do the rest of the planet? Okay..... live with the Dali Lama?..in Shangrila? Hugh Seffner...as the pool boy? in heaven (okay that's me as sexist pig!).... In a palace, Mansion, underground bunker (these were popular just after the cold war?) Captain or is it just Nemo?...under the Sea Atlantis......Valhalla...Mt Olympus Never Never Land etc I have lived in a tent, caravan, my parents home, my in-laws home (oops still do and sleep with my father in laws daughter!!), 3 homes we have owned ( a pole home, a wooden one, a stone and a brick one) a squat, a large house that a wrecking ball came thru the side wall... an hour after leaving it! a roach motel, a hotel/motel, a block of flats, a stately home with a ghost, a lighthouse, a 15th century bakery, a bed sit..ooops bed sits, my mates couch/sofa, my mates grandma with his grandma in it, the bath, on top of a fridge, a greenhouse, back of a car, on a ferry, a train all the way to Scotland from London..when I should have got off at Manchester, the beach (stones and sand) under the stars...... that was due to a misunderstanding with alcohol, in a ditch..that was due to a misunderstanding with the driver of my lift home from a concert and also with the dog..that was a misunderstanding with the wife over her sister...why do women hold grudges? (her sister...I made that bit up!..actually it was her boyfriend at the time...I sort of trying to be an Australian and being English instead sort of said that I found my sister in law attractive and saying to the boyfriend who is now her partner..that he was a lucky man...but when I said it in Australian.... it came out as tho I wanted to or had sex with my sister in law.......so out on the veranda with a very farting Golden Retriever and the only reason I was found in THAT position with my dog was .....well lets say it was very cold that night!!.....sister in law thinks I am a sex maniac, her partner hates me, wife still suspicious and mother in law..she just thought it funny!! so I have lived in all sorts of places...big deal? My view? Over looking the sea, and the port of Burnie..from on a hill in a 2storey wooden home....as to woods?...they seem to have put them in a tree museum .....is this part of a song? No the woods and forest are only a 30 second walk away..but as long as I can see mountains and sea..I is happy Better end Just heard SADAM captured!!! thanks again for all the emails....and I pray that Mary gets better! and others don't feel like outsiders!.. and delurk (is that a word?) look if they let a fool like me on.....well!! Ash ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:05:47 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Emmylou on Desert Island Discs next Sunday njc The guest on next week's programme is none other than the queen of Americana/folk rock/roots, Emmylou Harris. I can't wait to hear the programme, which will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 at 11.15am GMT on Sunday 20th December. There's some amazing news breaking just now, but I was astonished at a sideline onto AOL's news priorities: when I logged into AOL just now, alongside the news about Saddam Hussein's capture I saw the following: 'plus: Shock Pop Idol Exit' Azeem in London PS About time they had Joni on DID... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:32:00 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Worst Album Covers Ever (njc!) Look at these for a good laugh out loud! David Rahall > Stone: Worst Album Covers Ever > http://www.cenedella.com/stone/archives/000302.html > > > > NetSpace LISTSERV(R) software donated by L-Soft, Inc. http://www.lsoft.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:20:16 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 In a message dated 12/14/2003 3:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:41:49 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: grace songs Van Morrison - By His Grace Tim Hardin - You Upset the Grace of Living When You Lie Seems like Leonard Cohen should have one for this list huh? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:48:23 -0500 From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #389 Catherine writes: > actually - two questions for y'all: what's your favourite woodstock interpretation (original, csny version, miles of aisles, shadows and light, refuge of the roads, travelogue) and what's your favourite cut from travelogue? >> Hi JDML-ers, I'm coming out of lurkdom for a second to wish you all a very happy holiday season. As for my favorite version of Woodstock, I'd probably choose the one form Joni's Nov. 1998 Madison Sqaure Garden concert. Favorite track from Travelogue is The Last Time I Saw Richard, although The Circle Game is just as gorgeous. Best to you all, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:57:52 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Simon and Garfunkel Reunion (NJC) Ashara I have been dying to see this tour. They are not coming to New Orleans. It has been widely discussed on the Acoustic Harmonies list and we are waiting for someone to come forth with a recording from this tour. I love those guys and always have. I still have 5-6 of their songs in the old repertoire. Glad you had a good time and what a sweet sister you are. BTW *I* am turning 50 in 2005 so keep me in mind for one these faboo type tours. LOL! Love Paz > OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went to the "Old Friends" Simon and Garfunkel reunion > tour Thursday night in Boston. I was thinking about getting my head examined > for > the amount I paid for the tickets, but it was my brother's 50th birthday that > day, he wanted to go, and when would I ever have this chance again? So I > splurged. I was not disappointed. They played for over 2 hours straight, the > only > break being the 3 or 4 song set that the Everly Brothers sang when Paul > brought > them out after saying how much an influence they were to S & G's music. They > sang ALL the old songs, and had a slide show of the 60's, 70's and 80's during > 2 of the songs. It was FANTASTIC!!!!!!!! Did anyone else have a chance to > catch this tour? > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:03:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: not a Villa, in Spain, now 5 books in a shoe box NJC Emiliano- I new I liked you for a good reason. Garp is one of my fav books of all time. I am a huge Irving fan and have read everything he has ever written. I am also a big Tom Robbins fan. Cortazar and Garcia Marquez are also in my top five. Best Paz > Hi! > If I would choose only five books... > now they would be: > La saga/fuga de J.B. , by Gonzalo Torrente Ballester (it always makes me laugh > aloud) > Music for chamaleons, by Truman Capote (it's only chamber music, but I like > it!) > The world according to Garp, by John Irving (I'm really obsessed with > Irving... at some time I thought it was the only writer from the USA, white, > hetero and northern that I love... maybe I could catch David Copperfield, but > I really prefer Garp) > El cuento de nunca acabar (The never ending tale), by Carmen Marti'n Gaite (a > beloved writer, this is an essay about... telling something to someone) > Politeia (The republic), by Plato (I don't agree with any of his > conclusions... but I love his discussions) > > Yours? > > Yours: > Emiliano > > PS: Wally, of course a house rented counts! and don't despair, you'll be > working for the UNESCO soon... following Julio Corta'zar trails! > Wally says: > >>> you can't put more than five books in a shoebox.<< > > > > and Mike: > >>> and those five books would be.? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:13:25 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: A little Joni moment from today's Observer In an article about monogamy from today's Observer review, a woman is talking about a choice she had to make thirty years ago between two men, one (Rob) a bit of a rake, the other (Mark) more stolid, she explains her reasons for choosing the latter thus: "Then they both proposed. I accepted Rob, but luckily a warning went off. It makes me think of the Joni Mitchell song, '...hot hot blazes come down to smoke and ash'." You see, Joni can help us all find our ideal life partner! Azeem in London NP: Adam Masterson - One Tale Too Many ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:30:08 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Grace suggestions Thanks, Daniel, That's a good one. Considering all the time Grace's father and I spent singing this in Irish bars when we should have been attending lectures... Cheers, Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel F. Carey" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Grace suggestions > If I should Fall From Grace with God (The Pogues) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:47:16 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now Introduction - Chicago Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson Like a rolling stone - Bob Dylan Layla - Derek and the Dominoes Walk on the Wild Side - Lou Reed Paint it Black - Stones Superstition - Stevie Wonder I agree with Vince (no surprise there, then) that music is all about the sound, and here are some songs which hit me hard when I first heard the opening bars... Of course it is also true that words KEEP you interested but the music grabs your interest beforehand. I agree too (with someone else, not Vince) that reading lyrics ('Songs in the Key of Life' is one I remember particularly well) without the music is a ho-hum experience, but add the two together and you're off to the races. Cheers, mike in barcelona npimh Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock PS I would say that Chicago's 'Introduction' is the finest opening track on any first album. Heading for cover now... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:56:01 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Simon and Garfunkel Reunion (NJC) Hi, Michael! hmmm, so you aren't at "The Neil Young Trees"? tch, tch Of course, dears Simon & Garfunkel aren't coming to my town (it's true the tickets were up to 250!!!), nor I'm going to travel in a near future, so I managed to get a recording from this tour. In fact, I'm still waiting for it from Italy, so I cand send you one if you're interested. From a Garp to another, yes. (BTW: who Tom Robbins is?) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano ps: attached is some info to this recording; I know there's a recording from Vancouver making vines somewhere, maybe ~naughtyknightland~, but I'm quitting it right now (as the jonkie used to say ;-) - ----------------------- Michael says: Ashara I have been dying to see this tour. They are not coming to New Orleans. It has been widely discussed on the Acoustic Harmonies list and we are waiting for someone to come forth with a recording from this tour. I love those guys and always have. I still have 5-6 of their songs in the old repertoire. Glad you had a good time and what a sweet sister you are. BTW *I* am turning 50 in 2005 so keep me in mind for one these faboo type tours. LOL! > > > Love > > Paz Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:53:02 +0100 From: Subject: Neil Young Trees - Tree Info MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type text/css] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:06:29 -0500 From: vince Subject: Diane Keaton is brilliant njc Azeem has accused me of making extraneous Eminem comments (who, me??????) :-) so this post will not mention Eminem, Grammy nominated 5 times in various ways for "Lose Yourself" (the Oscar winning [presented by Barbra Steisand] and MTV VMA winning song penned and sung by Eminem for the Eminem movie 8 Mile. This post will instead be about Diane Keaton, 57 year old lifetime actress extraordinary who is quoted in an article by Glenn Whipp, LA Daily News as printed in the 11 December Kalamazoo Gazette, on the filming of a scene in her new movie 'Something's Gotta Give': "I was just jamming music as fast as I could. I was really in love with Macy Gray and the '8 Mile' soundtrack... I played it over and over again and it drove everyone insane." When she accepts the Oscar for Best Performance in 2004, I wonder what I will be humming.... LOL! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:52:30 -0500 From: vince Subject: a personal story njc Labeled this for those who wish to avoid these things yesterday the grandson and I reviewed the list of grammy nominations for the top categories and the rap category - with all the rap and rock songs nominated - first time I can remember all the nominees good, really no treacle in the top categories - it was amazing how much of the music he and I have seen performed in the last year - went shopping and listened to the Soulful Celebration version of the Messiah and he got all into that - and for his Christmas present my little hippie hip hopin' rappin' chile wanted the new OutKast cd - but in the store, he held it, thought for a moment, put it back, got the new Blacked Eye Peas cd instead, and says this is the one I really want so I got that for him and (we did an immediate Christmas, who wants to wait) he popped in the jeep cd player and, having checked the track listing, said to put it on track 13... I did not Black Eyed Peas much and so when the song that he insisted on started playing, I hear this funky r&b rap thing and I am thinking, ok, cool, this is his taste, that's cool and it was a great sound - and then the words starting seeping into my head and I looked at him in wonder... asked him about it and he said this was the song he loved, he had seen the video on MTV a lot and wanted the song for the words - we high fived, he played the song over and over and over (the entire ride home that is all he played, kept hitting the repeat button), and I got choked up and he asked me if I were going to cry and I told him no but I almost did - when an 8 year old who is deeply influenced by someone like me picks out a song like this as his song of the year, somehow, something has been done right... it was my Christmas moment of a lifetime, hope lives --- and it turns out Justin Timberlake is featured on this song so I will not listen to any more knocks Timberlake - he has developed into an accomplished artist all this time, has been doing some good work - of all the songs he could choose to be associated with, this is the one he chose - Vince and now for you all, the lyrics of Black Eyed Peas "Where is the Love" and hope lives, hope lives, from my grandson to you: What's wrong with the world, mama People livin' like they ain't got no mamas I think the whole world addicted to the drama Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism But we still got terrorists here livin' In the USA, the big CIA The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK But if you only have love for your own race Then you only leave space to discriminate And to discriminate only generates hate And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah Badness is what you demonstrate And that's exactly how it works and operates you gotta have love just to set it straight Take control of your mind and meditate Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love It just ain't the same, always unchanged New days are strange, is the world insane If love and peace is so strong Why are there pieces of love that don't belong Nations droppin' bombs Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones With the ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin' in Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug If you never know truth then you never know love Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the love, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder Most of us only care about money makin' Selfishness got us followin' our own direction Wrong information always shown by the media Negative images is the main criteria Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria Kids act like what they see in the cinema Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity Whatever happened to the fairness in equality Instead in spreading love we spreading animosity Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under Gotta keep my faith alive to lovers bound People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:57:56 -0500 From: vince Subject: a personal story Labeled this for those who wish to avoid these things yesterday the grandson and I reviewed the list of grammy nominations for the top categories and the rap category - with all the rap and rock songs nominated - first time I can remember all the nominees good, really no treacle in the top categories - it was amazing how much of the music he and I have seen performed in the last year - went shopping and listened to the Soulful Celebration version of the Messiah and he got all into that - and for his Christmas present my little hippie hip hopin' rappin' chile wanted the new OutKast cd - but in the store, he held it, thought for a moment, put it back, got the new Blacked Eye Peas cd instead, and says this is the one I really want so I got that for him and (we did an immediate Christmas, who wants to wait) he popped in the jeep cd player and, having checked the track listing, said to put it on track 13... I did not know Black Eyed Peas much (saw them on the billboards awatds last wednesday, maybe 2nd or 3rd time I have seen them) and so when the song that he insisted on started playing, I hear this funky r&b rap thing and I am thinking, ok, cool, this is his taste, that's cool and it was a great sound - and then the words starting seeping into my head and I looked at him in wonder... asked him about it and he said this was the song he loved, he had seen the video on MTV a lot and wanted the song for the words - we high fived, he played the song over and over and over (the entire ride home that is all he played, kept hitting the repeat button), and I got choked up and he asked me if I were going to cry and I told him no but I almost did - when an 8 year old who is deeply influenced by someone like me picks out a song like this as his song of the year, somehow, something has been done right... it was my Christmas moment of a lifetime, hope lives --- and it turns out Justin Timberlake is featured on this song so I will not listen to any more knocks on Timberlake - he has developed into an accomplished artist all this time, has been doing some good work - of all the songs he could choose to be associated with, this is the one he chose - Vince and now for you all, the lyrics of Black Eyed Peas "Where is the Love" and hope lives, hope lives, from my grandson to you: What's wrong with the world, mama People livin' like they ain't got no mamas I think the whole world addicted to the drama Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism But we still got terrorists here livin' In the USA, the big CIA The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK But if you only have love for your own race Then you only leave space to discriminate And to discriminate only generates hate And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah Badness is what you demonstrate And that's exactly how it works and operates you gotta have love just to set it straight Take control of your mind and meditate Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love It just ain't the same, always unchanged New days are strange, is the world insane If love and peace is so strong Why are there pieces of love that don't belong Nations droppin' bombs Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones With the ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin' in Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug If you never know truth then you never know love Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the love, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder Most of us only care about money makin' Selfishness got us followin' our own direction Wrong information always shown by the media Negative images is the main criteria Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria Kids act like what they see in the cinema Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity Whatever happened to the fairness in equality Instead in spreading love we spreading animosity Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under Gotta keep my faith alive to lovers bound People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send us some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:01:19 -0500 From: vince Subject: apologies to joni onlys I just posted something and forgot the njc tag - it hasn't shown up in my inbox so maybe it got lost somewhere but if it comes through it is totally NJC and I forgot to label it and i deeply apologize Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now mike pritchard wrote: <<>> I'd like to back track on my initial post when I said that lyrics are the first thing for me....having read other posts about how much the music can reach inside you in those deep places, I cannot help but agree. So it's alittle of both. Funny, when I talked about lyrics being first, the truth of the matter is that I have a difficult time 'hearing' them unless I have headphones . np: schindler's list soundtrack....joshua bell does such a beautiful job on this . no words necessary... love, Mags catching up on email. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now njc and oops ack...the violinist on Schindler's List soundtrack is Itzhak Perlman not Joshua Bell...ooops twice for this and for no joni content on my previous post. Mags ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:38:33 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Stay connected and Dream Merry merry, I have been running around the last week back and forth to Ohio to the funeral of an aunt so I am just now reading all these posts! CRIPES! What is there in this life if we can not connect with one another? I have not been to a Jonifest, but have been able to meet up with and CONNECT with others on this list in person or off-list by choice. No one person is perfect, no list is perfect, but isn't that the beauty? There is great beauty in reaching out and making that connection blindly sometimes. I can not tell you how enriched I feel due to this list. I do not post often, and I take what I like and leave the rest. I have learned so much about Joni's music and life, it is unreal (and other musicians.) I have learned even more about the power of connecting!!!There is an old saying about if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem (or something like that). You mostly get out of it WHAT you put into something. I guess it depends on what level you choose to involve yourself. I know my doubting husband was blown away when we met up with a Jonilist member in person (love you Paz) recently. He could not imagine such love and generosity just from being on a list and posting to one another! Just a little venting there... on a lighter note I had a very vivid dream I was at Joni's house with her and she was showing me all around. I woke up and could have sworn I was really there conversing with her. Anyone care to interpret??? Happy Holidays and love to all, Janine NP: Women of Christmas in the Garden of Lillith: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:45:36 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Who *are* they? (njc) Question. These "joni onlies" that everyone walks on egg shells for...do they ever post, or do they just lurk, waiting to pounce on a non Joni post that didn't get tagged?;-) David Rahall P.S.- just kidding, I understand the whole arrangement... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:29:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, in Spain: NJC Lucy wrote >What do you all enjoy, what is your fave room in your house, what makes you feel glad to shut the door and be living where you are living............? What Joni moment sums up your house/flat/mansion/estate/castle/island/room/ and you?< I have the most wonderful view from my bedroom...the last thing I see at night when I go to sleep are the city lights twinkling down below me & the first thing I see when I wake up is the rooftops...or not- on a day like today with a light rain coming down & a mist, there is no view of the city, but only treetops whose green is so much more vibrant when the air is full of mist...sometimes because we are at about 2000 feet, we are literally in a cloud where not much can be seen outside at all... I love to sit in our music room which has the same view with windows on two sides... In the day it is warm from the sun & on a clear night there are so many stars (we had an amazing show last year when the meteor shower was happening)... I especially love it now because the tree is up with lights & the smell is so heavenly... Here are some lines that some up my home: Sisotowbell Lane Anywhere else now would seem very strange The seasons are changing Everyday in everyway Sometimes it is spring Sometimes it is not anything A poet can sing Sometimes we try Yes we always try We have a rocking chair Somedays we rock and stare At the woodlands and the grasslands and the badlands 'cross the river (or in my case I would subsitute "and the city by the sea") Sometimes we do We like the view Sisotowbell Lane Go to the city you'll come back again To wade thru the grain You always do Yes we always do Come back to the stars ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:40:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: not a Villa, in Spain, now 5 books in a shoe box NJC David wrote: >Wuthering Heights (I don't love Heathcliff...I *am* Heathcliff!)< I was named Katharine, in part, after the character in Wuthering Heights ...(a tragic choice if you ask me which they didn't) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:43:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: grace songs njc I have a new one about grace, but it is not recorded yet... hopefully next month...when is your deadline? (I've noticed lots of posts are missing the njc these days, we don't want to raise the wrath of the jonionlies! ... So, make sure you remember njc if its not related directly to jm!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:56:15 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazingly graceful swaps, NJC Vince wrote: > Amazing Grace sung to the tune of "House of the Rising Sun " - much > fun!!!!!! - > you can also sing AG to the tune of Take Me Out to the Ballgame My favorite perversion of the traditional Amazing Grace is singing it to the tune of the Gilligan's Island song... and on the other side of the coin, it works to sing the Gilligan's Island song to the tune of Amazing Grace. If you like to sing, try it! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a personal story njc --- vince wrote: > I did not Black Eyed Peas much and so when the song > that he insisted on > started playing, I hear this funky r&b rap thing and > I am thinking, ok, > cool, this is his taste, that's cool and it was a > great sound - > > and then the words starting seeping into my head and > I looked at him in > wonder... asked him about it and he said this was > the song he loved, he > had seen the video on MTV a lot and wanted the song > for the words - we > high fived, he played the song over and over and > over (the entire ride > home that is all he played, kept hitting the repeat > button), and I got > choked up and he asked me if I were going to cry and > I told him no but I > almost did - ... > and now for you all, the lyrics of Black Eyed Peas > "Where is the Love" > and hope lives, hope lives, from my grandson to you: Vince, that IS a very good song. I've heard it many times and am not sick of it yet! The lyrics are wonderful as well. Your grandson has good taste! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now --- magsnbrei wrote: > mike pritchard wrote: > << music is all about the > sound, and here are some songs which hit me hard > when I first heard the > opening bars...>>> > > I'd like to back track on my initial post when I > said that lyrics are the first thing for > me....having read other posts about how much the > music can reach inside you in those deep places, I > cannot help but agree. So it's alittle of both. Yeah, I have to renege too. I first said I was a "words first" person, but now I take that back. I think initially the music draws me in, and then I listen to the lyrics. If the lyrics really suck, I probably won't keep listening to the music - on the other hand, sometimes it's just the beat - if it's good "beat" music, you just want to dance to it, so who cares about the words? If it's vocal music (um, yeah, there wouldn't be lyrics without that, eh?), then it's sometimes the particular voice of the singer that draws me in - if I don't care for the voice, it's hard to hear the lyrics. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Who *are* they? (njc) LOL! Thanks for expressing so succinctly a thought that has often wandered through my own head, only to be chased away with a big stick! --- David Rahall wrote: > Question. These "joni onlies" that everyone walks > on egg shells for...do > they ever post, or do they just lurk, waiting to > pounce on a non Joni post > that didn't get tagged?;-) > > David Rahall > > P.S.- just kidding, I understand the whole arrangement... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:32:22 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Rickie Lee Jones, njc In case someone is interested, I taped the radio broadcast of RLJ's concert in Paris last monday. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:30:24 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Grace suggestions Hey what's wrong with Irish Bars, many of Guiness were put down then rather listen to a dry lecture at divinity school. We probably discussed more that had to do with day to day living then what we were taught in classes like History of the church which usually depressed me. Peace, Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike pritchard" To: "Daniel F. Carey" Cc: "list" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Grace suggestions > Thanks, Daniel, > That's a good one. Considering all the time Grace's father and I spent > singing this in Irish bars when we should have been attending lectures... > Cheers, > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel F. Carey" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:33 PM > Subject: Grace suggestions > > > > If I should Fall From Grace with God (The Pogues) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:39:34 -0500 From: pleader@nyc.rr.com Subject: patrick's gospel, , njc dear folks: file this under 'things i'm thankful for'. and part of this goes out to jenny goodspeed. last summer at jonifest, one workshop put together 'shadows and light' in four, and sometimes five part harmony. i had so much fun singing parts, which i hadn't done since i did a few musicals in my twenties. and even last summer i did have a pretty good ear. so i told my friend kay ashley, (who i met through this list thank you) and who has sung a couple of choirs since shes been in new york, to keep her ears open for an opportunity for me. turns out shes a member of the new york metro mass choir (http://www.metromasschoir.org), so she emailed the director, swore i could sing, and so i joined and started rehearsing in early october for the holiday concert. which was last Wednesday, december 10. and it was absolutely fabulous. in lincoln centers avery fisher hall (where the new york phil performs!) in front of 2700 full seats (except when they were standing, which was pretty damn often). its one of the most joyous things ive experienced in a long long time. particularly cool is that on tuesday, we found out that were going to be on good morning america, taping tomorrow morning for christmas day broadcast nationally. so check your local abc affiliate, if all goes well, kay and i will be singing in your home on christmas. the choir is scheduled to sing at 7:30, 8:00, 8:30 and 9:00, during the closing credits. this is making me very happy. ill be unsubscribing later tonight, so everyone have a safe, happy and loving holiday season. patrick np  a cello octet with soprano, spanish songs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:18:16 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC > I love to sit in our music room which has the same view with windows on > two sides... In the day it is warm from the sun & on a clear night there > are so many stars (we had an amazing show last year when the meteor > shower was happening)... I especially love it now because the tree is up > with lights & the smell is so heavenly... I loved sitting in your music room and practicing songs for the Joni tribute, checking out the rocks in the back yards, trying to see the city through the cloudy sky...ahhhh Victor NP: NFL football Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:28:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC That was such a magical afternoon with you victor, & kakki & of course vince! Harmonic concordance & all... >I loved sitting in your music room and practicing songs for the Joni tribute, checking out the rocks in the back yards, trying to see the city through the cloudy sky...ahhhh Victor NP: NFL football< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:32:17 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC > That was such a magical afternoon with you victor, & kakki & of course > vince! Harmonic concordance & all... > > Just to clarify, Kate is referring to Vince the bass player from SoCal. Not Vince Mendoza or Vince the White Sox/Emimem fan who is also the grandfather of Gabe. Victor, who works at Whole Foods with two other Victors Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: patrick's gospel, , njc --- pleader@nyc.rr.com wrote: > dear folks: > > file this under 'things i'm thankful for'. and part > of this goes out to jenny goodspeed. > > last summer at jonifest, one workshop put together > 'shadows and light' in four, and sometimes five part > harmony. i had so much fun singing parts, which i > hadn't done since i did a few musicals in my > twenties. and even last summer i did have a pretty > good ear. > > so i told my friend kay ashley, (who i met through > this list thank you) and who has sung a couple of > choirs since shes been in new york, to keep her > ears open for an opportunity for me. turns out > shes a member of the new york metro mass choir > (http://www.metromasschoir.org), so she emailed the > director, swore i could sing, and so i joined and > started rehearsing in early october for the holiday > concert. ... > this is making me very happy. ill be unsubscribing > later tonight, so everyone have a safe, happy and > loving holiday season. > Patrick, this is great. Singing in a choir can be a lot of fun. I'm in a choir/class called Vox Continental and have been since about March of last year. It's a class at the Royal Conservatory of Music, (so I pay to do it!) but we do a concert at the end of each term. We had our "holiday" concert last night and it was just sooooo great. We did a great variety of songs both modern and ancient, some Christian stuff, some Jewish stuff, a madrigal, a gospel song, a Vivaldi piece, a bit of everything. There are 20 of us in the choir, five each S,A,T and B. I used to think it would be difficult singing in one voice while others were singing the different parts & that it would be distracting, but after a while, you can hear their parts as well as yours and how they all fit in together and it's really a treat when you can hear and "feel" how it all goes together. Next term we're going to be doing African-American stuff, some gospel and Motown and who knows what else. Our conductor is just so much fun - she's a great arranger and just so funny on top of it all. There's always lots of laughs as well as good music at each class. Good luck and please be sure to remind us, if you remember, about when you're on air again because some of us just forget- we do get the American stations here in Toronto too. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:41:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, inSpain: NJC Lol, yes thanks victor, I'd take vince the sox/em/gabe grandfather over that other guy mendoza any day! Even though I love t'log... Hey speaking of harmony/symmetry we had k,k,v & v! (kakki,kate,victor & vince) kate full of holiday silliness >Just to clarify, Kate is referring to Vince the bass player from SoCal. Not Vince Mendoza or Vince the White Sox/Emimem fan who is also the grandfather of Gabe. Victor, who works at Whole Foods with two other Victors< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Victors of the world, unite - NJC --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > Victor, who works at Whole Foods with two other > Victors > There are THREE Victors working at the same place? What are the odds of that happening? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:54:57 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc That is all. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:21:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: december 14!!!! NJC H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y dear mike in barcelona!!! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:42:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Saddam Hussein has been captured, njc --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > That is all. > > All the best, > Lama Yes, Virginia. There is a Saddam. I know it sounds weird but, when guys like that manage to go uncaught for such a long time, people like me start to wonder whether or not they really do exist. I'm glad he has been captured - it proves he really does exist and it's much more satisfying than thinking maybe he got crushed under a building somewhere, or else that he's wandering around Europe somewhere. I sometimes wonder if there's a home for Tyrants-in-Exile somewhere that we don't know about. I imagine all the elderly dictators sitting around on a porch somewhere, doing needlepoint and discussing their favourite torture techniques, each one trying to out-yell the other. Somehow I don't think they'd get along very well with one another, so maybe sticking them altogether in such a home might be the best possible punishment for them. I'm glad they caught him. Now what about that bin Laden fella? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #622 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)