From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #619 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 619 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now [Chris Marshall ] joni stuff and other stuff SJC (are we still using that tag?) [Alison E <] Seeding Artwork [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Love: Joni content!!!!!!!!!! [vince ] Judy Collins - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Words-first or Music-first? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: matt savage NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Here we go again - NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Here we go again - NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: december 12!!!! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view njc ["Kate Bennett" ] planting seeds for mary grace [magsnbrei ] Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace [tantra-apso ] Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace [tantra-apso ] Re:Look to this day njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Popular (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] one more thing about the mary grace fund ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Here we go again - NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Mary Grace njc ["kakki" ] Re: popular NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Popular (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Sherelle - NJC ["kakki" ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, in Spain: NJC [] Re: Here we go again - NJC [Emiliano ] Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst now njc I guess [Catherine McKay ] Martha Wainwright, again ["michael o'malley" ] Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Martha Wainwright, again njc [Catherine McKay ] not a Villa, in argentina: NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Words-first or Music-first? njc [Catherine McKay ] Today's Library Links: December 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:30:32 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? some joni now Pre-Joni, I was very much a music-first person. Then I bought Hejira, primarily to check out Jaco's work sans Weather Report. That was the point where I started really listening to the words. Not just listening, but looking for the meaning behind songs, reading between the lines. What a revelation! It's an amazing thing in that it led my to find some of the gems among my existing CD collection that had lain hidden until then. That said, it's made me into a words AND music person, which is why I've had so much trouble with much of Joni's material from the 80s onwards: while the words are still good, I'm just not a huge fan of the musical direction she took. Wild Dogs In A Rainstorm being my biggest sticking points, even now. Regards, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:40:12 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: idea (njc) Thanks to everyone who is helping with MG. It is nice to know this community continues to care so much for our own. It occurs to me that it would be nice to send something that MG can see and touch and read and I wonder if anyone is interested in helping out with this. I am inspired to send something in the order of a posterboard or something similar to put on the wall of her room with pictures, flowers, words, etc. I am not very creative with artwork, but I am willing to help in whatever way I can. It would be nice to get pics and stuff sent to someone and and make a collage from all of us that we could send off to her for the holidays. Does anyone else have an inclination to help me with this? I am willing to cover the costs of materials and shipping to her. Also any other ideas regarding this would be appreciated. I was inspired to do this after looking at all of the pics from the past fests (which would be good to add in there) of MG and all of us partying. Thanks for your help and look forward to hearing from you soon. Best, Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:01:43 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: popular NJC Below was an exchange that had me laughing... I have tried Zen... I prefer NOW... NOW IS the new Zen. It is immediate and saves all that navel gazing and going with the flow..... I have always found my navel was just something that gets filled full of fluff..... but what does the fluff think of that???? Re: Popular (njc) Catherine wrote: > You can't win, can you? Nope - I am trying to Zen through it all somehow ;-) > Nowadays, depending on where I am and who I'm with, I can be > pretty obnoxious, but usually I have to be just a tad > drunk first. I can relate, heehee. Here is a little thought for you.... Worry never robs tomorow of its sorrows but only saps today of its strengths.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: joni stuff and other stuff SJC (are we still using that tag?) hey everybody! how's my healthy happy joni family !?!? anybody see that girlie michelle branch on the today show this morning singing river? it was a pretty popped out version, but still good and still made me cry in my coffee a bit, as it does nearly every time i hear it... i played it on my radio show last week, and will continue to play it until people complain (which won't happen because my listeners love the joan). radio show is krcl.org web-listenable, by the way, each wednesday morning from 6 to 9 am mountain slacker time. so my good friend calls me up last night and says, hey i just got some new joni cd's from a co-worker, do you have the hissing of summer lawns? and i'm like, "uh, YEAH, duh", the nerve..and she says "well what about night ride home?" and i'm like, "well, duh, yeah!, of course!", and she's like "both sides now?" and i'm like, well, yeah! and she says, damn, i wanted to get rid of that one, and i said, "me too!" and we had a good laugh. also, one short story...the first time I met MG was at my first jonifest i think, i guess four years ago now, and i sat down next to her and was idly jabbering away as i am wont to do, and she kind of ignored me and i thought, well, hmpff, she obviously isn't interested in what I have to say! later i was saying to someone, i think it was jimmy?, i don't think MG likes me! and he says, why? and i say, well i was trying to start a conversation with her, and she just ignored me! and he says, alison, you moron, she's hearing impaired! she probably didn't have clue you were talking to her! and i go DOH! in true homer fashion. later, i was able to repair my idiocy, and we had a good laugh, and i have since gone on to have fascinating discussions with this kind and wonderful soul. MG, my heart and thoughts are with you and your family now. love to all this nutty miscellaneous holiday season... sorry for the touchy feely shit, jim! ;-) alison e. in slc np: willie porter __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:35 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Seeding Artwork For those of you interested on artwork for the Seeding of Summer Lawns CD, a guy from the Acoustic Harmonies List did this fab artwork for it and you can find it at this link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/acousticharmonies/files/Joni%20Mitchell/ For those of you who like trading music this is a great list with lots of the stuff that I know many of you like. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:34:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: Love: Joni content!!!!!!!!!! Jim Leonard wrote: > > > > and I thank you Vince for your eye-opening >rationale and for the gentle tone of your post. Until Vince spoke up, it didn't occur to me >that there was a rationale for posting -- "so that all may see" -- > whoa, something I said was meaningful and worthwhile? I am marking this day down on my calendar! It was not just another silly post from me!!!!! Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while... thank you Jim for your kind words and I will echo what Jerry Notaro posted about you... now within the last 30 minutes, just before I read Jim's email, it finally dawned on me what is the name of a Joni Mitchell song that another musician has used as the same name for another song.... Love (WTRF) Love by John Lennon - love is you, you are love... love is reaching... love is needing to be loved... Love to everyone! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:05:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Judy Collins - njc Just scored 4th row seats for a concert here at a 350 seat theater. Have never seen her in such a small venue. Yippee! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:42:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Words-first or Music-first? njc >In 1965, there were two camps of music fans: Dave Clark 5 fans, and Beatle fans.< Don't forget the kinks! I was a big fan of theirs... I think I am primarily a music/groove first person, the lyrics really stink then forget it...but the music pulls me in first & then the lyrics keep me there... A great groove & melody can alleviate many lyric weaknesses I think (stevie wonder is a perfect example...some of his lyrics, while they speak to me on many levels, are often not as well crafted (IMO), when you read them on a page as opposed to hearing him sing them... The first time I read his lyrics without the music I was surprised to discover this...so I have to hand it to his great musical talent that this escaped me while listening to him... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:49:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: matt savage NJC Fred >but would he get the kind of attention he's getting (Today Show, People magazine, Kennedy Center gig, etc.) if not for his autism? No. And that makes me very uncomfortable< Hi fred! I totally hear what you are saying...i must say I am not a today show/people mag consumer so am out of the loop as to his abilities & fame...however, the part I do think is postive is that for a some time music has been thought to help autistic kids emerge from their world...so in this vein I hope his attention gives families dealing with autism some hope... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:58:58 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC Hi Jim! My name is Sherelle and I've been on the list almost since it's inception. Welcome! I'm reading your post below and all I could think of is how splendidly you fit in! We love the spark of opposing view points and have had to learn some painful lessons on how to work it out and remain close. The thing that I love about us is that we never give up trying to do that. We have big hearts and a whole lot of love. Stick around awhile and you'll find out how much! Sincerely, Sherelle Jim wrote: From: "Lori Fye" >First, Jim, your post qualifies as NJC, so please tag it as such. > How does the following excerpt qualify as NJC?: I wrote: "Here's an interesting Joni Content challenge. Please support that contention, that much of Joni's music is about connecting with others in their darkness. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'd just like to see the case made." Looks like JC to me. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year  six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:00:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view njc > I try to image each poster to this site, some in an apartment opposite Centeral park, a villa in Spain, a mansion in London, a huge log cabin in Canada etc < I love your imagination ash! Maybe we could include where we are posting from! And a description of our persona of the moment...like lucy's auntie voice... Kate, from a socal mountain on a cold (for socal) wintery day in a looking forward to putting up the reindeer, cutting down the tree (well, no reindeers but gonna find a tree this weekend & decorate it) kind of mood (but not wishing for a river to skate away on cuz I am content right here!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:20:49 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC From: "Sherelle Smith" > My name is Sherelle and I've been on the list almost since it's inception. Welcome! I'm reading your post below and all I could think of is how splendidly you fit in! > Well, thanks, Sherelle, and congratulations on your exciting news! In truth, as many of the active JMDLers know, I've been subscribed since 2000, when I finally got my first computer (a late bloomer, here). I started out as a frequent contributor to the JMDL, but became more and more a lurker over time. The biggest reason for that is that I underwent a career change, which has taken me out of my house (without computer access while on the job), so, now I have many fewer opportunities at my disposal for catching up with the JMDL. The last couple of days have been off-days for me, and, due to the turmoil I found, I became unusually "active." I want to warn you that you have many more posts to get through before reaching the end of the "Jim's-opinions-vs.-those-of-the-majority-of-the-JMDL" episode, and I hope you will wait until you finish reading today's posts before forming a final opinion of me or responding to me further. As long as I'm posting again, I'd very much like to thank Jerry, Colin, Lori and Vince for their kind words today. They were much appreciated, folks. All my best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:29:45 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view >>I try to image each poster to this site, some in an apartment opposite Central park, a villa in Spain, a mansion in London, a huge log cabin in Canada etc<< I can't speak for the other jonilistas in Spain (hello Emiliano, Paul, Gill, Jordi...) but I DO live here although not in a villa. 92 square metres of inner city building, with mostly 'Filipino' and Moroccan neighbours and the occasional green parrot flying past the window. What's your view like Ash? I enjoy your posts. mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:32:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: chaos, NJC >Can we hear about your mystical experience with Kate's song, please? I have them when I listen to her, too. - - -Julius< Whoa ya'll I'm getting goosebumps & tears...(okay boston jim, better skip this post...JK!)... Words fail me to express how cool this is to hear...You know I wrote a lot of those songs when I was going through one of the most difficult times in my life... They saved my life in so many ways... They were my connection with a higher power where I could go to express my emotions & receive some comfort in the process... I believe the comfort I was given was truly a gift of grace... I feel fortunate that songwriting has been my greatest refuge & it really seems to flow when I am in pain (sound familiar?)... Maybe cuz I need it so much then... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic." The All Music Guide PS I HATE marketing myself but I'd be foolish not to mention that I have a 2 for $20 holiday sale going on right now (good through the end of 2003) Plus shipping... just use the order form on www.katebennett.com & Cross out the $15 per cd for $20 & get 2 instead! Back to your regularly scheduled program :~} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:39:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC You are so prophetic Jim! I just sent you an apology email because I later saw where you had been corresponding with Kate for years. I just don't remember seeing your posts but then again, I had to drop out for a little while during that time. No, I wasn't going to judge you at all, Jim. I just liked how you were staying alive in the debate, that's all. I really love to see healthy debate and I am the type who just sits back and listens intently to both sides. I have my own opinions about things but I prefer to keep my mind open and listen until the fruition of the debate is complete. What usually happens is a meeting of the minds even if people agree to disagree and a new respect for one another for having the guts to have an opinion. There is much wisdom in trying to see both sides of the story and it is the way I prefer to go. Thanks so much for your kind words about the music and the direction I'm going. Here's a news flash: The Game Op's assistant director came up to me and asked me could I be a stand by for singing the National Anthem at tonight's Wizards game against Minnesota. The person singing is flying in from Texas and she has not called to say that she is in town. He's starting to get worried but I told him I would always help out whenever I could. The girl may be here, but he just doesn't know. I personally think she's here, but we will see. At least I dressed up a little! Take care Jim! Love, Sherelle >From: "Jim Leonard" >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: >Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:20:49 -0500 > > >From: "Sherelle Smith" > > > My name is Sherelle and I've been on the list almost since it's >inception. >Welcome! I'm reading your post below and all I could think of is how >splendidly you fit in! > > >Well, thanks, Sherelle, and congratulations on your exciting news! > >In truth, as many of the active JMDLers know, I've been subscribed since >2000, when I finally got my first computer (a late bloomer, here). I >started >out as a frequent contributor to the JMDL, but became more and more a >lurker >over time. The biggest reason for that is that I underwent a career change, >which has taken me out of my house (without computer access while on the >job), so, now I have many fewer opportunities at my disposal for catching >up >with the JMDL. The last couple of days have been off-days for me, and, due >to the turmoil I found, I became unusually "active." > >I want to warn you that you have many more posts to get through before >reaching the end of the >"Jim's-opinions-vs.-those-of-the-majority-of-the-JMDL" episode, and I hope >you will wait until you finish reading today's posts before forming a final >opinion of me or responding to me further. > >As long as I'm posting again, I'd very much like to thank Jerry, Colin, >Lori >and Vince for their kind words today. They were much appreciated, folks. > >All my best, >Jim > _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:42:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst Colin >It does seem to me that Joni has not learned to be her own parent and that her 'critical parent' is still lugged around by her. A sad situation. If she could free herself of her mother it would make such a difference. It may even affect her work positively. Sometimes what we project outwards is what we get back.< Great insight colin! I feel privileged to be in some wonderful groups where people tackle these kinds of issues on a regular basis & so much is reveled! Our parents affect us to the core of our being & sorting & separating is a lifelong process... I recall sting writing two records related in some way to this...one he wrote after he lost his mom, the other when he lost his dad... I forget which is which right now... I think so much work can be done around our mothers & fathers but are we truly ever free? Don't know (now I am wondering about my own son & how much he may be lugging around about me!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:44:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: december 12!!!! njc Happy birtday david! I have such fond memories of meeting & listening to you in your club that very cooooooold february we spent in nyc a few years ago! Have a great day! --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > DAVID!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:51:16 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view njc I added njc so not to irritate the jonionlies... >certain words that my ex-husband used to use when we were fighting or he was putting me down (particularly when he was using them incorrectly to begin with)< The worst kind of jerk is an ignorant one :~} what a comination! >I find my hackles rising - even though the words themselves are basically innocuous (at least, when used correctly, LOL). So I have to realize it's not necessarily what the other person said, but the bad feelings it raises about bad times with my ex. With time, therapy and lots of drugs, this too shall pass. In the meantime, I have a list of words that really piss me off for no rational reason., A pearl of wisdom, thanks for the reminder of how this works (within each of us I am guessing) ... I just found out my ex hates to the point of furry is for some reason, the word no (his parents?)... & when I disagree with him, what is the first thing out of my mouth without thinking? Nononono...then ooops sorrysorrysorrysorry... Lol.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:54:33 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Mary Grace njc i sent this yesterday but it doesn't seem to have gone thru. I just got off the phone with MG's sister,Pat. MG is home now and feeling much better now that they cleared the infection and the blockage of the tube that was put in. Pat thinks by next week she will be back to email and the phone, possibly. They are waiting now to start the main treatment at UC Davis(i think that is what the hospital is called). - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: planting seeds for mary grace thus far, 20 people have donated a total of $1,215.00 for mary grace . again, this is an incredible, incredible demonstration of the care and concern that exists in this community . and for those who offer thoughts, prayers, and well wishes, thank you for those priceless gifts as well. with more gratitude than i can express, love, mags. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:32 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace what a grown up you are Jim. Not everyday you get to read a post like that. thank you. and no i m not being sarcastic. i am tuly impressed by your seeing a different point and your apology. both happenings are rare indeed, not just here but in the world. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:57:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today show I wonder if that is who I heard singing that song when I was in a restaurant the other night...the woman had an enjoyable but not all that distinctive voice...she sang the song pretty close to joni's version... >Michelle Branch is singing River live on the Today show right now. Jerry< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:52:56 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:06:19 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC From: "Sherelle Smith" I really love to see healthy debate and I am the type who just sits back and listens intently to both sides. I have my own opinions about things but I prefer to keep my mind open and listen until the fruition of the debate is complete. What usually happens is a meeting of the minds even if people agree to disagree and a new respect for one another for having the guts to have an opinion. There is much wisdom in trying to see both sides of the story and it is the way I prefer to go. > Beautifully said, Sherelle. I admire the wisdom of your approach, and join you in enjoying healthy debates. Most of the time at night (at least once my girlfriend's favorite shows are over), you can find me listening to political debates on MSNBC, Fox News and CNN. I'm also a sucker for Talk Radio when in the car. That "debating" side of me comes out from time to time, as evidenced by the last several days here on the JMDL. I'm glad you saw it for what it was, in my mind -- a debate. I'm sure I join with everyone in hoping the other singer didn't make it in from Texas, and that you'll be singing at tonight's Wizards game. It really is happening for you, and that's just great! Off to the shower with me (I can be a real slacker on days off), and then out to dinner, etc. 'Bye. Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:13:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re:Look to this day njc >At this point, I would appreciate it if my apology is accepted and that we all move on. < Absolutely, all is well jim! What a great person you are to apologize, is their anyone here who has ever said anything they haven't needed to apolgize for? >I don't think this was necessarily a debate which shouldn't have taken place, and I hope you join me in being glad that we've aired-out our differences of opinion on what should be "the nature of the JMDL" as the "official" discussion list of the Joni Mitchell web site. That's where I was really coming from.< I agree wholeheartedly! Personally, I value people who speak honesty above so many other qualities as that makes for some interesting conversations...& when combined with an ability to look within & to consider other opinions...well it just doesn't get better than that imo...so thank you very much boston jim for speaking your mind & don't lurk so much okay! & I'm with you in that I hope mark does not stay away long... & deb m thank you for all the work you do on behalf of the archives- WOW! I had no idea, that is amazing... I am one who loves your posts & just doesn't get around to replying as much as I'd like to... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:29:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Popular (njc) Kakki >I recently had a review at work and was "dinged" for being too "popular" with the attorneys. "Popular" in this context meant that so many of them gave me a good evaluation and said how responsive I was to their requests. You'd think the work honchos would consider that a good thing but I guess some feel one should keep in their place< What a frustrating situation! I remember when I learned that sometimes being responsible & hard working easy to get along with actually threatens some people...strange but true.... Kate, wondering if today's digest is going to be all from me! Yikes, look what happens when I decide I am really was going to try & lurk for a bit... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:34:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: one more thing about the mary grace fund Yes, well said chuck...MG really amazed me with her ability to combine all those elements together in her posts...a unique one of a kind person & I have not even met her in person... one that will always shine brightly in my memory is her description of when nikki visted her & something about when her ex came to get the kids she found nikki in the car with them... What a treasure of a human being she is... Kate, saying big prayers for her health recovery... >I have been thinking tonight about the earlier days of the JMDL list, and wondering if it would even be here today without MG's input, her wisdom, her wit, and always, her straight shooting, during formative times.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:59:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Cute site! njc http://ww12.e-tractions.com/snowglobe/globe.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:19:06 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC .....She didn't make it....I'm on......AAAGGGHHH!!!!! Love, Sherelle Jim wrote: > >I'm sure I join with everyone in hoping the other singer didn't make it in >from Texas, and that you'll be singing at tonight's Wizards game. It really >is happening for you, and that's just great! > _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:32:37 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Mary Grace njc Thanks for the report, Colin. > They are waiting now to start the main treatment at UC Davis(i think > that is what the hospital is called). UC Davis is one of the top universities in CA and has a tremendously good reputation on the medical side. It's good she is closeby. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:39:54 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: popular NJC Lucy wrote: > Below was an exchange that had me laughing... I have tried Zen... I prefer > NOW... NOW IS the new Zen. It is immediate and saves all that navel gazing and > going with the flow..... LOL - I'm not really a Zen practictioner - but think I have always kind of done it (tried to transcend certain circumstances) naturally so I use the term to describe it. I laughed today reading Julius say that "rubbing the Buddha's belly" won't work for him right now and thinking maybe we should read the book recommended. I'd like to hear more about NOW, Lucy, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:56:27 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Popular (njc) Kate wrote: > What a frustrating situation! I remember when I learned that sometimes > being responsible & hard working easy to get along with actually > threatens some people...strange but true.... Yeah, that's it and it's difficult to know how to best deal with it. Not be responsible and work hard so some others are not threatened? And then I was told part of my job was to help others become better workers (which I've always tried to do). Guess it's just one more of those "character building experiences" but in my more cynical moments I say "I cannot wait to retire!!!!" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:19:38 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Sherelle - NJC Sherelle, I'm absolutely thrilled with all the news of your star ascending in so many ways this past year. You totally deserve it and more. That gorgeous voice of yours needs to be heard! Thank you for sharing such wonderful news with us to cheer on!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:44:05 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, in Spain: NJC Hi, dears! as you know, TGIFriday's night and the girls are sleeping here, in this quiet night. So... that's Emiliano writing again! Mike, my appartment is bigger than yours: 145 m2, 8th facing the bay but far from downtown. I always live near the town where I was born. As everyone of the Five Fantastic Spaniard JoniMDListas knows: it's pretty lonely as a Joni nut here. btw, Jordi, you hadn't posted this year: Visca Catalunya! Visca Maragall & Rovira!! Have a Wonderful time! S.S.S. (Keep Always Smiling): Emiliano PS: Ash, i really love your posts, me too. Your second entering in the record shop is one of my fave scenes from all times! lol & lol & laughing it all away! and... Oh, Kate, I must admit I really love your way! : cartesian as I am, i'm always short of words reading your very inspired ones! Mike wrote: >>I can't speak for the other jonilistas in Spain (hello Emiliano, Paul, Gill, Jordi.) but I DO live here although not in a villa. 92 square metres of inner city building, with mostly 'Filipino' and Moroccan neighbours and the occasional green parrot flying past the window. What's your view like Ash? I enjoy your posts. mike in barcelona<< Kate: >> Whoa ya'll I'm getting goosebumps & tears...Words fail me to express how cool this is to hear...You know I wrote a lot of those songs when I was going through one of the most difficult times in my life... They saved my life in so many ways... They were my connection with a higher power where I could go to express my emotions & receive some comfort in the process... I believe the comfort I was given was truly a gift of grace... I feel fortunate that songwriting has been my greatest refuge & it really seems to flow when I am in pain (sound familiar?)... Maybe cuz I need it so much then... << ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:46:51 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC Wow, Sherelle! That's Good! You're the VOICE, babe Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano Sherelle : Asunto: Re: Here we go again - NJC > .....She didn't make it....I'm on......AAAGGGHHH!!!!! > > Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Goodbye Re: joni's angst now njc I guess --- tantra-apso wrote: > > However, I don't think it right to be grateful or > thankful for abuse. > Imagine how Seal's talent may have been expressed > without the abuse. > The act of abuse is purely negative and to turn into > a power for good is > outrageous. > Seal is what he is because of himself, not because > he was abused. I don't think he is who he is because of abuse and I certainly don't condone abuse - goddess forbid! however, I think it's a tribute to some people's strength how they can rise above that shit. There are times in my life I wish I could erase some of the really nasty stuff, or that I had gone down another path, but then I also realize that I have many good things that might not have happened if I hadn't taken that road. Which is not to say some of the good things might not have happened anyway, but there are some things in life I'm so greatful for that they can negate the bad stuff. If I had gotten out of my marriage sooner than I did, I might not have my kids who mean so much to me - of course, if I never had them, I wouldn't know what I was missing, so there's the paradox. Still, sometimes shit happens and it's what you make of it that makes the difference. There are those who say you've got to pay your dues before you can sing the blues - but that doesn't mean you should seek out abuse. Maybe Seal is totally messed, but maybe he was just saying that he forgives his father and loves him anyway? I dunno - I can't imagine loving an abuser and maybe he's just kidding himself - or maybe he's just dealing with the shit the best way he can. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Words-first or Music-first? njc --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > I think the singer from Evanesance can really > sing... I so agree. The first time I heard her, I thought, "Wow! That one probably has classical training!" ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni stuff and other stuff SJC (are we still using that tag?) --- Alison E wrote: > hey everybody! how's my healthy happy joni family > !?!? > anybody see that girlie michelle branch on the today > show this morning singing river? it was a pretty > popped out version, but still good and still made me > cry in my coffee a bit, as it does nearly every time > i > hear it... > i played it on my radio show last week, and will > continue to play it until people complain (which > won't > happen because my listeners love the joan). > radio show is krcl.org web-listenable, by the way, > each wednesday morning from 6 to 9 am mountain > slacker > time. Ha. Another road to Joni for my Sarah who also likes Michelle Branch. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:22:49 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Joni's up for a Grammy! I just noticed this at Grammy.com: Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s) (An Arranger's Award. (Artist names appear in parenthesis.) Singles or Tracks only.) * Woodstock Vince Mendoza, arranger (Joni Mitchell) Track from: Travelogue [Nonesuch] well it's a vince mendoza award, not gonna have joni's name on it, but still, it's great to see some recognition of Travelogue at this year's awards! strange that they picked woodstock, though. i've always felt it was the weakest cut from travelogue - the arrangement was dull, and joni seems cut off from the lyrics, like she's reading a script in a monotone. something like you dream flat tires, slouching towards bethlehem, judgement of the moon and stars, sex kills, would've been a better choice. i'd love to see a grammy with "God Must Be A Boogie Man" engraved on it, too. perhaps they chose woodstock cause it's the most famous cut.] the competition is: Armando's Rhumba Chick Corea, arranger (Chick Corea & Bobby McFerrin) Track from: Rendezvous In New York [Stretch Records] Chega De Saudade Jorge Calandrelli, arranger (Yo-Yo Ma & Rosa Passos) Track from: Obrigado Brazil [Sony Classical] Comes Love Gordon Goodwin, arranger (Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band Featuring Brian McKnight And Take 6) Track from: XXL [Silverline Records] In The Bleak Midwinter John Patitucci, arranger (John Patitucci) Track from: Songs, Stories & Spirituals [Concord Records] _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:59:42 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Martha Wainwright, again I'm re-sending this because I think perhaps it didn't make it to the list. I didn't receive any comments on this post, and I'm unsure what that means. I dont get the full digest so I don't know if Martha W. has been discussed here. I recently saw her with bro Rufus and co. at their Quebec City gig. Mom Kate was on hand to accompany each of them on the piano for one song, that was a treat. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Rufus - he has always struck me as being a bit of a brat, albeit a talented one. I must say though, in his defense, he is a charming and generous performer. He chatted extensively with the audience, in his horrible French, which, of course, endeared him to us even more. And he delivered the musical goods with applomb. Maria Muldaur's daughter, Jenny, was also one of his back-up singers. However, for me, the star of the show was Rufus' younger sister, Martha, who opened for him on solo guitar. This young lady has an amazing voice - touches of Mary Margaret O'Hara (another unsung Canadian great) - great fire in her belly - and most of all - dramatic stage presence. Martha is very much the actress and seems to be able to bring her emotions to the fore when she performs. Wow - she is a knockout. I could have easily spent the entire evening listening and watching her. For those of you in New York City, apparently she often performs at that ``most unhip of sleazy dives, the Nightengale Bar (2nd Ave. & 13th St. in Manhattan) Monday nights at 10pm . `` Martha has a demo out, and a fan site on the net as well. Catch a rising star. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:09:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > I try to image each poster to this site, some in > an apartment > opposite Centeral park, a villa in Spain, a mansion > in London, a huge > log cabin in Canada etc < > > I love your imagination ash! Maybe we could include > where we are posting > from! And a description of our persona of the > moment...like lucy's > auntie voice... > > Kate, from a socal mountain on a cold (for socal) > wintery day in a > looking forward to putting up the reindeer, cutting > down the tree (well, > no reindeers but gonna find a tree this weekend & > decorate it) kind of > mood (but not wishing for a river to skate away on > cuz I am content > right here!) Ooh, I like that! I'm a woman fading in a suburban room in the west of Toronto (Etobicoke, pronounced E-TO-bi-co - I have no idea why the Ke at the end is silent - that's just the way it is) where it is pretty cold (below freezing, I guess) but not horrendously so. Sitting in my living room, having just taken le chien for a walk, while one cat is making way too much noise licking herself and the dishwasher is making way too much noise in the kitchen. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Here we go again - NJC --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > .....She didn't make it....I'm > on......AAAGGGHHH!!!!! > > Love, Sherelle > By the time you read this, you'll have done it - and an incredible job, I bet! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright, again njc --- michael o'malley wrote: > I'm re-sending this because I think perhaps it > didn't make it to the list. I > didn't receive any comments on this post, and I'm > unsure what that means. > > I dont get the full digest so I don't know if Martha > W. has been discussed > here. I recently saw her with bro Rufus and co. at > their Quebec City gig. Mom > Kate was on hand to accompany each of them on the > piano for one song, that was > a treat. You did post it, Michael, but I think we were all too busy bickering on the rifle range to notice. I agree with you about Martha from what little I've heard (on The McGarrigle Hour and doing backup with Rufus). She has a nice bluesy kind of voice & I'd love to hear more of her. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:34:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: not a Villa, in argentina: NJC well, mine is bigger yet! 220 square meters... and a maid's room to throw in all the stuff i can never decide what to do with! on the widest avenue in the world (so they say) to boot. but i don't own the apartment, i rent it... does it count anyway? wally, who will moving out any day now (can't afford the rent anymore) and will live in a little shoebox with a puppy and a five books. (you can't put more than five books in a shoebox.) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Emiliano > Enviado el: Viernes, 12 de Diciembre de 2003 09:44 p.m. > Para: mike pritchard > CC: list; Gill apter > Asunto: Re: The Ms Mitchell site...a newbies view... not a Villa, in > Spain: NJC > > > Hi, dears! > as you know, TGIFriday's night and the girls are sleeping here, > in this quiet night. So... that's Emiliano writing again! > > Mike, my appartment is bigger than yours: 145 m2, 8th facing the > bay but far from downtown. I always live near the town where I was born. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:37:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Words-first or Music-first? njc --- Norman Pennington wrote: > For me, it has to be BOTH before I'll put my money down. ... > Buck Pennington, a newbie temporarily living in > Portales, New Mexico. > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > > > > >>>Are you a words-first person or a music-first person?<<< Hey, Buck! Welcome to the Joni-list. Don't be shy! Please post again. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Re:Look to this day and remember Mary Grace njc --- Jim Leonard wrote: > Until Vince spoke up, > it didn't occur to me > that there was a rationale for posting -- "so that > all may see" -- a lot of > birthday greetings, messages of support, etc. I > always thought those > messages would be more sincere and be more > meaningful to the recipient if > sent off-list, Got to admit, Jim, I'm kind of with you on the birthday greetings. I usually post privately to people if I know it's their BD, unless I don't have their e-mail address, but the public HB greetings are really only a minor annoyance to me - except when they MISS my birthday, in which case it's a major friggin' pain cuz I didn't get any! ;-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:08:44 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright, again njc In a message dated 13/12/2003 03:28:46 GMT Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > I agree > with you about Martha from what little I've heard (on > The McGarrigle Hour and doing backup with Rufus). Her song on the McGarrigle Hour, Year Of The Dragon, is magic - my favourite song on the album. Has she released an album of her own? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:20:05 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni's up for a Grammy! hi >>>>>dylan wrote > Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s) > * Woodstock> Vince Mendoza, arranger (Joni Mitchell) well, for a long time, i found that woodstock was the only track i enjoyed on the album. of course, that has all changed now & ive grown to love the album :-) and on the subject of grammy's - i se that sonny landreth is up for one as well !!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:37:59 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 13 On December 13 the following article was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Hangs It Up" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=142 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #619 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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