From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #615 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 615 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Community involvement in other's lives? -I wish. [John Calimee ] matt savage NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: (Northeast Jonifest) Please stop njc - some sound financial advice ["] Re: Goodbye [Deb Messling ] Musical funnies - njc [Catherine McKay ] Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedde] Re: Goodbye ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Here we go again (2) ["Jim Leonard" ] Look to this day and remember Mary Grace some words from my heart (contains some tfcc) ;-) [magsnbrei <] one more thing about the mary grace fund [magsnbrei ] Re: season of miracles [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Community involvement in other's lives? -I wish. [Steve Polifka ] Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) ["ron" ] Re: Here we go again (2) - njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) ["ron" ] Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] (NJC) On Being Inclusive ............. (was Re: Goodbye) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: chaos, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: (NJC) On Being Inclusive ............. (was Re: Goodbye) ["Cynthia Vi] Re: (NJC) Evian's Flag Story ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:23:18 -0600 From: John Calimee Subject: Community involvement in other's lives? -I wish. Community involvement in other's lives? I wish! - -This is not so much a response to Jim email, just a personal reflection... I wish it were true I was involved in the personal lives of JMDL members. I can still recall meeting my first dyed-in-the wool JMDL Joni fan: Ranger Rick, the day before Joni's opening. I was almost as thrilled and thankful for meeting him that day as I was about Joni... Whadda cool guy. Then came Ashara, and Coyote Rick and and... Hell, I still daydream of hanging out with Muller, Kakki, Paz and everyone else here. Given half the chance, I'd park myself at the breakfast table with every JMDL member on the planet if they are a tenth as cool as those I've met in person. Unfortantely, the reality is such that I'm less than 2 hrs. away from even Polifka and we've never met... save one strange midnight rendevous off the toll road. "You people" are wonderful people... I'd be all over personal if I were lucky enough. - -My 10 billionth happy listen to Tlog happended today. God, her phrasing on these cd's is beyond brilliant. Gloriously nuanced. j. (Happy lurking...) (#@%!$!!!!.... I owe Kakki a painting btw... ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:04:06 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Joni mentions on other lists A while back I was pleased to read the following, in a post by Ron Block (banjo player and guitarist in Alison Krauss' Union Station) on the BGRASS-L "People who know me are aware that for years I have been a huge fan of Joni Mitchell, Bonnie Raitt, the Stanley Bros, Eric Clapton, Flatt and Scruggs, James Taylor, Pat Metheny, and a bunch of other timeless artists." However, today I was not so pleased (but quite amused) to read this, from an American lady, on the same list - (where most of the contributors are not afraid to call a mutt a mutt!) "Anyway, I didn't ease into bluegrass or mountain music with any of that mamby-pamby, city slicker, watered-down, Joni Mitchell self-indulgent vein of the music that's now called bluegrass....I had full immersion by fire from the Stanley Sound. Thank God." Well, shit ding!! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:27:49 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: matt savage NJC I'm reading an article in the December edition of 'Wired' about an autistic savant piano player called Matt Savage who has just released his fifth album of jazz piano, and recently booked to play at the Blue Note in NYC. He is eleven years old. The article is very interesting IMHO especially for the 'mathematical' way that Matt 'sees' things in life; patterns, syllables, connections etc. "Matt has an amazing ability to calculate relationships between chords and lines, which can all be expressed in numbers", says his piano teacher. My questions are; 1) has anyone out there in joniland heard this kid and is he any good? 2) If jazz is something 'from the 'soul'/'heart', can it be all down to numbers? The article also ponders if creativity is linked to / enhanced by brain damage, suggesting that Monk may have had Tourette's syndrome and that Glenn Gould possibly suffered from Asperger's syndrome. Gould, the article says, was a 'legendary control freak in the studio' and like many savants 'had absolute pitch'. Any answers/comments? mike in barcelona np Danilo Perez - overjoyed (again) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:48:20 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: (Northeast Jonifest) Please stop njc - some sound financial advice Ron wrote: > the general rule is that funds gathered for or held on behalf of charities, > or any other person, are not kept in the same account in which funds for the > everyday running of the business are held, but are kept in a separate > account which is subject to a whole set of laws. when buying a property, the > transferring lawyers hold your payment in a trust / escrow account - same > principle. while what you are doing is probably not on a large enough scale > to warrant any trouble, you really do need to protect yourselves. Reading through all the posts on this, I find myself agreeing a bit with everyone. Not to further inflame, but I also initially had some thoughts from a legal perspective just as Ron has his take from an accounting/auditing perspective where one could question, not the motivation nor the trustworthiness of the good hearts of Mags and Ashara, but perhaps the proper avenue for accomplishing it. If the money is to go to MG's kids, I think the "proper" legal avenue would be for it to go into a trust in their names. If the money is to go for MG's medical and other expenses, it should be categorized as a charitable donation. I'm not saying this is the only way to do it - it was just my legal mind working analytically. I guess my point is that people can look at this from different angles and other input is not neccessarily meant to malign anyone - sometimes people just need more information. On the other hand, it is not my business, and in the end I don't care how people give or collect. The news about MG is really shocking and I wish the best for her and her family through this terrible time. As for the wonderful close friendships on the list - I agree with everyone who expresses and celebrates the closeness that so many share. As Paz said, I have met some of the most incredible, generous and interesting people in my life through this list. I have also personally grown and been enhanced through my participation here. Yet I also understand Jim Leonard's points completely. True friendship is precious and often not really known except through many years and trials and experience. It is not a term to be tossed around lightly. It does ultimately manifest itself more in the "unseen" than in the "seen." Peace and love to all, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:49:33 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Goodbye Mark, I'm really sorry to see you leave the list, as your contributions have always been positive and interesting. I agree 100% with your assessment of how the list has changed. If you're not a Jonifest attendee, you're pretty much frozen out and your posts are ignored by the "popular kids." I stay on for the Joni discussions and don't care about making friends here. I hope that my contributions to the discussion (less frequent these days) is appreciated by the lurkers and the other "unpopular kids." At 06:06 PM 12/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: >More and more I have felt like I am on the periphery of this >'community'. It seems to me that the list is mainly for Jonifest >attendees these days. Personally I feel like the rest of us are out >in the woods somewhere unless we work really hard to force our way in. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:56:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Musical funnies - njc In an effort to keep you abreast of the ever-changing world of musical terminology, we provide you with some terms with which you should be familiar: Adagio Fromaggio: To play in a slow and cheesy manner. AnDante: A musical composition that is infernally slow. Angus Dei: To play with a divine, beefy tone. Anti-phonal: Referring to the prohibition of cell phones in the concert hall. A Patella: Unaccompanied knee-slapping. Appologgiatura: A composition, solo or instrument, you regret playing. Approximatura: A series of notes played by a performer, not intended by the composer. Approximento: A musical entrance that is somewhere in the vicinity of the correct pitch. Bar Line: What musicians form after a concert. Concerto Grossissimo: A really bad performance. Coral Symphony: (see Beethoven-Caribbean period). Cornetti Trombosis Disastrous: The entanglement of brass instruments that can occur when musicians exit hastily down the stage stairs Dill Piccolino: A wind instrument that plays only sour notes. Fermantra: A note that is held over and over and over and ... Fermoota: A rest of indefinite length and dubious value. Fog Hornoso: A sound that is heard when the conductor's intentions are not clear. Frugalhorn: A sensible, inexpensive brass instrument. Gaul Blatter: A French horn player. Good Conductor: A person who can give an electrifying performance. or, alternative use, one who obeys the orchestra and/or chorus. Gregorian Champ: Monk who can hold a note the longest. Kvetchendo: Gradually getting annoyingly louder. Mallade: A romantic song that's pretty awful. Molto bolto: Head straight for the ending. Opera buffa: Musical stage production by nudists. Poochini Musical: performance, accompanied by a dog. Pre-Classical Conservatism: School of thought which fostered the idea, "if it ain't baroque, don't fix it." Spritzicato: Plucking of a stringed instrument to produce a bright, bubbly sound, usually accompanied by sparkling water with lemon. Tempo Tantrumo: When a young band refuses to keep time with the conductor. Tincanabulation: The annoying or irritating sounds made by extremely cheap bells. Vesuvioso: A gradual buildup to a fiery conclusion. ZZZfortzando: Playing REALLY loud in order to wake up the audience. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) Jim wrote: < By all means, I (and most others) would encourage you to tell us what the song means to you.>> The difficulty is where the line gets drawn and who draws it. You may, in fact, find my reasons for being drawn to 'Trouble Child' extremely intrusive and, perhaps, too personal. There have been times of desperation when I would have told anybody everything in the hope that something might help my personal suffering. Some people might be okay with that and some would not. <<"I feel much of Joni's music is about contacting and connecting with others in their darkness and this is what some folk have recently been doing here on this site." Here's an interesting Joni Content challenge. Please support that contention, that much of Joni's music is about connecting with others in their darkness. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'd just like to see the case made. (As a side issue -- and yes, I'm being a wise guy -- please support the position that Joni would want this connecting to be done on a public forum, verses intimately and privately.)>> Initially, I went scurrying around looking for lines that would "support this contention". Then I thought I don't really need to do that. Maybe I should have said that Joni's music connected with me when I was in darkness. That's indisputable and I see people who are members of this site offering support and help to other members who are suffering at the moment.I think that's wonderful. Is there a case for it? I don't know. Would Joni support this connecting to be done on a public forum? I have no idea but each and every line of 'Borderline'is worth checking out. It has much to say about our personal perspectives and the way we all impact on each other. And,yes, "all liberty is laced with borderlines." I don't know what the discussion lists of Van Morrison or Neil Young are like. I'm sure you're right,Jim, they too are sensitive and emotional people. But at the end of that day it touches me that, if I were ill or dying,someone on a list to which I subscribe and who, like me,have been touched by the music of Joni Mitchell might care enough to put out a hand and help me. No-one else has to feel that way, send any money, read any emails or get involved in any way - but maybe it's okay for others to? Underpinning the subject of all this recent discussion and difficulty is a list member I've never met and who sounds gravely ill. Her family must be struggling and a list member has told us about it and said we could help if we want to. For me, it may be touchy-feely, but it's as simple and personal as that. I can't cleverly find a Joni line that supports me in my view but I could ask where specifically runs this borderline? With good wishes Anita PS I did read that your last email was your final one on the issue and I respect that, but I did want to respond and hope that's okay with you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:34:09 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Goodbye . If you're not a Jonifest attendee, > you're pretty much frozen out and your posts are ignored by the "popular > kids." I stay on for the Joni discussions and don't care about making > friends here. I hope that my contributions to the discussion (less > frequent these days) is appreciated by the lurkers and the other "unpopular > kids." I'm a jonifest attendee and over the past several days it's come to my realization that this is a internet list and nothing more. As Kate also mentioned, by virtue of being a musician, I have grown accustomed to being very open and empathetic which in many ways can be a good thing. However, it makes me susceptible to making this list into more than it is, an internet list. And I think everyone comes to this forum with high expectations, and often they are not met. Lucy provided a perfect example of how each of us on this list have our own lives, are own obstacles and things we're dealing with that people on the list know nothing about. I wish the best for MG and I may make a small contribution if I'm able to but right now I'm completely focused on things I'm dealing with in my life and don't have much energy to deal with her situation. Perhaps that sounds a bit selfish I do have my own personal life that most people here know practically nothing about. And in order to function and carry on, I think its important to set limits. I have to admit, I was really, really taken aback by how people came down on Jim (who may have used poor judgement but never attacked anyone). I happen to like Jim and his enthusiasm. I personally think some people should apologize to him. It actually scared me a little bit....if I slip up and say something wrong, is this wrath going to come down on me? And I thought, something is so wrong here. Most people don't even really know me. As many people know, I attempted to memorialize jonifest 2001 in the song "Parsonage Lane". And after spending over a year unemployed, I moved to Asheville with a job and a month later was layed off. I wasn't able to find any work there but started writing some new songs and became convinced to record a new cd with these songs and call it "Parsonage Lane". I overcame many obstacles pulling it all together...Everything even threatened to fall through the whole month of December but I was able to pick it up again. I was fortunate to work with an incredible producer and some truly amazing musicians. I also met this really good artist and contracted her to create some original paintings for the cover. I wanted to capture the environment I had experienced at the Full Moon resort, to capture that feeling of sitting around in the woods enjoying music. On the cover, Kate is sleeping under a tree and Jeff Bisch and I are playing music on a porch with various animals hanging out, including Ashara's dog, Pippin. Anyway, I released this in June. It is very much a tribute to the beauty of jonifest and the cd itself is dedicated to Holley, who I have just had to break up with. Right now, I am working hard on trying to build up some exposure, working full time at Whole Foods, and struggling to understand the meaning of love and why it fails sometimes. And just as this relationship has in essence failed, I think this list often fails to live up to what it could be. Some people have been very supportive of me from the beginning and I am very grateful for their support. Many people have shown none or very little interest which is okay too. I guess what I am saying is, some people take an interest in what you have to say and some people are going to ignore you. Even if you do go to jonifest. Everybody seeks appreciation for their contributions. It is natural as human beings. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:52:54 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) From: "Anita Gabrielle Tedder" > PS I did read that your last email was your final one on the issue and I respect that, but I did want to respond and hope that's okay with you. > Sure. Thanks for responding. :-) You asked: "Should I discuss the tuning or the way the lines scan or can I say what the song means to me?" I answered: "By all means, I (and most others) would encourage you to tell us what the song means to you." You now respond: > The difficulty is where the line gets drawn and who draws it. You may, in fact, find my reasons for being drawn to 'Trouble Child' extremely intrusive and, perhaps, too personal. > No, I would encourage you to share whatever personal information you are comfortable in sharing. This is NOT the type of "personal" communication I am talking about. I am talking about one-to-one, person-to-person communication. What I object to is this list being used as a public support group or friends' network. For example, one list member writes that he or she is feeling terribly depressed today. There then follows ten or twenty posts saying, "Oh, you poor dear. I love you." Whether the initial post is appropriate to the list at large, I cannot say. But, why can the ten or twenty responses not be sent directly to the depressed individual, rather than posted to the greater list, an international forum dedicated to the discussion of the life and times (and art) of Joni Mitchell? Posts to the list should be directed to everyone who subscribes. If people think their personal condolences or their words of support or what have you should be directed to everyone, I contend that those people are more interested in what their posts say to the group about *them* than they are in actually consoling or supporting the depressed individual. There is a distinct difference in what you are thinking I object to, and that which I truly object to. > But at the end of that day it touches me that, if I were ill or dying, someone on a list to which I subscribe and who, like me, have been touched by the music of Joni Mitchell might care enough to put out a hand and help me. > It touches me, too. I would hope that their help might be extended in the appropriate manner (in my opinion) -- privately. > No-one else has to feel that way, send any money, read any emails or get involved in any way - but maybe it's okay for others to? Underpinning the subject of all this recent discussion and difficulty is a list member I've never met and who sounds gravely ill. Her family must be struggling and a list member has told us about it and said we could help if we want to. For me, it may be touchy-feely, but it's as simple and personal as that. > My initial post on this subject made it very clear that my comments had NOTHING to do with the call for funds for MG. I actually think that that is an appropriate use of the list, you may be surprised to learn. An announcement is made: "One of our own is in great need, and you can help. Here's how to do it." Bang. Done. Then, if you feel the manner in which the funds are being collected is inappropriate, you write to the organizers *off-list* to say so, or choose not to contribute. It was only the expressions of righteous indignation and the hurt feelings, and the yelling at one another (at Lama, particularly) -- and what was the one-to-one nature of those posts -- that inspired me to write. Almost all of those posts should have been private messages between the "offender" and the offended. I hope this time I have successfully clarified my thoughts. I do hope this will be the final post from me about this. As this message from Andrea shows, however, I will step forward about this issue if I feel my views are being incorrectly interpreted by others to the JMDL at large. Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Look to this day and remember Mary Grace some words from my heart (contains some tfcc) ;-) warning: contains some touchy feely caring content, also known as tfcc . please do not read if you are in any way offended by such things. ;-) I ask, as you read this to please go to that place in your heart and get out of your rational head-thinking for a few minutes so that perhaps you will really truly hear me. Let me speak, for I have no bitterness there. This is not a time for analysis, or putting forth expertise on how things should or should not be done, this is a grass roots, down to earth request, a chance to help someone in need. Someone who has been a part of the fabric of the JMDL for approximately seven years. Mary Grace is a mother, a wife, a sister, a friend, a confidante and many many more things. She may not realize this, however she has affected the very lives of people she has grown to know and love, in many , many ways. She has given meaning and purpose. And, she has pancreatic cancer, stage four. Almost a week ago, I posted a call to this community in response to the news I received about Mary Grace. I still cant quite get my head around this still horrible reality, all so surreal. How is this possible? Like an endless echo in my head, resounding. I cover my ears and yet, I still hear it and it hurts. Mary Grace has pancreatic cancer. Full stop. I believe that when a community comes together, mountains can be moved. In the lightness of that knowing, and embracing the spirit of this community, I put a call out to the jmdl, helplessly hoping that we could do something, anything to help make life a little bit easier for Mary Grace, now, today. This is not about trust funds, or charitable donations accounts or who knows how to do a business or not, none of these things. This is about taking off the blinders of intellectualizing and seeing Mary Grace, the person, sitting there as she tries to assimilate this most shocking news, the worst possible news. Imagine if you will. Your door bell rings. It's me standing there. I tell you that Mary Grace's health is at risk in a very serious way. I hold out my hat and ask for your help. I cant do this alone. I need you. And if you want to, you can affect change in her life. Now. (please remember most importantly, this is NOT about me, I dont want kudos or anything, and I mean that sincerely.) This is purely about Mary Grace and her kids and family. It's about helping her lighten that heavy load. If we do this, then my hope is that perhaps some of the financial burden will be eased from her shoulders so that her family can to do whatever it is that they might need/want/desire to make these days easier, be that sending out for take away food, ordering in a few pounds of Taylor's ham, lighting sandlewood incense..whatever it is that Mary Grace would find a comfort about now. I am deeply saddened to see the domino effect such a request has created. I really am. I had no idea. This was never my intention. Again, this is not about numbers or ledgers, this is about the life of Mary Grace. To date, we have received one thousand dollars, in less than a week. I am totally blown away and am deeply grateful and Im not surprised because of the people who make up this community. It is what we do. And we do the very best we can, nothing more, nothing less. I am moved by such generosity. We will be sending this money to Mary Grace within the next couple of days. And to those who need to know this, an accountant and a lawyer have been consulted and this is definitely appropriate. I leave you with this Sanskrit Proverb Look to this day for it is life The very life of life In its brief course lie all the realities and verities of existence The bliss of growth The splendor of action The glory of power For yesterday is but a dream And tomorrow is only a vision But today, well lived, makes every yestereday a dream of happiness And every tomorrow a vision of hope Look well, therefore, to this day. in all things I ask you from my heart, remember Mary Grace. love, Mags ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: one more thing about the mary grace fund It is vitally important that you know that I do not "expect" everyone or anyone to help in this cause. I did not mean to add pressure to anyone else's heavy load. I truly apologize if I have. what I mean to say is that if you can and if you want to, please please do. thank you again. Mags ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:47:00 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: season of miracles Suze wrote: > Please open your heart and allow the light of caring and kindness to enter. > This is the season of miracles. I know they can happen. I pray that the > healing power of our combined community will create a force for good. Amen!!! YES, YES, YES!!!! Thanks Suze!! What is it about this time of year that tends to make people trip out, flip out, and skip out?!! I just thank God for the AA meetings I go to where I can vent, gain perspective, and rather than doing something I might regret like bailing from the list or whatever else jingles my bells can focus on this season of miracles and celebrate!!! If you don't have the Christmas spirit yet, I highly recommend you go to the theatre and treat yourself to the movie, ELF. It is hilarious and makes a good point about how we adults can get way too uptight sometimes. To the Elf I can relate all too well. Enjoy!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:04:38 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Community involvement in other's lives? -I wish. Oh My Gawd!!! You had to tell them about the toll road? But you promised! Aw, John, How could you do this to me?! Cripes! Now EVERYONE is going to know how I forgot my digital pictures at the after-Joni-concert party (May 2000 in Chicago- y'all shoulda been there) and YOU rescued them for me! Saved my butt! Thanks again for your involvement in my life, even though we may have only exchanged a few words at the restaurant... Hugs, Steve At 02:23 AM 12/10/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Community involvement in other's lives? I wish! > >-This is not so much a response to Jim email, just a personal reflection... > >I wish it were true I was involved in the personal lives of JMDL members. I >can still recall meeting my first dyed-in-the wool JMDL Joni fan: Ranger >Rick, the day before Joni's opening. I was almost as thrilled and thankful >for meeting him that day as I was about Joni... Whadda cool guy. > >Then came Ashara, and Coyote Rick and and... Hell, I still daydream of >hanging out with Muller, Kakki, Paz and everyone else here. Given half the >chance, I'd park myself at the breakfast table with every JMDL member on the >planet if they are a tenth as cool as those I've met in person. >Unfortantely, the reality is such that I'm less than 2 hrs. away from even >Polifka and we've never met... save one strange midnight rendevous off the >toll road. > >"You people" are wonderful people... I'd be all over personal if I were >lucky enough. > >-My 10 billionth happy listen to Tlog happended today. God, her phrasing on >these cd's is beyond brilliant. Gloriously nuanced. > > > >j. (Happy lurking...) > >(#@%!$!!!!.... I owe Kakki a painting btw... ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:52:45 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Goodbye In a message dated 12/11/03 5:53:36 AM, messling@enter.net writes: << If you're not a Jonifest attendee, you're pretty much frozen out and your posts are ignored by the "popular kids." >> Had to chime in here, as another lurker who's felt at times this way. I love the fact that this list exists, and it's obviously a caring, thoughtful group, but perhaps awareness of this tendency might indeed change things a bit, and open up the dialogue for the lurkers. I'm a total Joni freak, but most of the time I feel totally foreign to the threads going on; I wonder if people are busy and just on 'autopilot' and respond only to familiar names? Nonetheless, I'm quite happy to lurk and commune with Joniphiles in relative obscurity... just my thoughts as the snow turns to rain here in lovely NYC... Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Subject:re Here We Go Again (2) Thanks for clarifying,Jim. Understand more clearly where you are coming from - though I still think borderlines are always tricky and very often painful. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:19:39 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) Dear Paz, I am so going to take you up on your offer!!! Stay tuned privately. Even though I could never afford the retainer, I do have an entertainment lawyer that is willing to look over the contract without getting the retainer. They want over $2000 for the retainer and that was a few years ago! I also have another lawyer with an entertainment background who is also willing to look the contract over. I promise to be prudent and careful. It's a small beginning so I will be still working my "day job" for awhile, but as I said earlier, they definitely have the contacts and connections to get me where I need to go. I have a case of the jitters but am happy. I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer! Love you! Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Sherelle Smith , Joni Digest >Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:07:54 -0800 > >OHMYGAWD!!!!! Sherelle I could not be happier for you. I wish you all the >best on the world! Do you have an entertainment attorney?? Please be very >careful before you sign anything. Anything that I can do for you it would >be >my honour to assist you on any level. Please send me more info about this >company privately and feel free to call me and pick my brain for help. > >Love ya > >Yipppppppppppie! > > >Paz > > > Hi Joni family! > > > > I'll try not to make this too lengthy, but I wanted to share this with > > you..... > > > > I am in negotiations to sign a contract with an independent label here >in > > D.C.! This means I will finally be able to finish this CD project! The >name > > of the label is Platinum Bound Records. I actually met the VP while I >was > > doing the Anita Baker musical in September. I was told by the playwright > > that someone he knew wanted to record me. I didn't realize who it was. >They > > both stopped by the office Monday and the VP told me he really liked my >CD! > > > > This is an up and coming label, but I am impressed with their vision and > > with their knowledge of the business. They have their own photo studio, > > their own equipment to print and press mass numbers of CD's, a >production > > company to produce the videos and connections to get me into the jazz > > festivals (especially in New Orleans, Paz!) I am in shock but this is > > definitely going to happen. I can't quit my day job yet because it is a > > small label, but they have big plans for me. If nothing else happens, I >will > > at least get a finished product! > > > > The best news it that plans are already in the works to have me open for >one > > of my favorite groups Frankie Beverly and Maze (Joy and Pain) in >February! I > > have a band to back me that is employed by the label. I am in serious >shock > > as is my family and need to adjust to the idea of touring and making >music > > all the time. How happy I've been for anyone who gets to do it on a full > > time basis. > > > > So that is it for me. I'm sorry that I am still catching up on my >digests so > > I will write more things relevant to what's going on in the digests >another > > time. I did want to let MG know that my thoughts and prayers are with >her as > > she goes through battle. Take care MG!!! > > > > Love, Sherelle > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run >the > > FREE McAfee online computer scan! > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:08:58 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) Lists are what they become and I think it's odd when someone posts that they have a narrow vision of what it "should" be that everyone else should conform themselves to. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:16:11 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Goodbye (njc) > If you're not a Jonifest attendee, you're pretty much frozen out and > your posts are ignored by the "popular kids." All my life I've wanted to be a popular kid, but somehow I was always chosen last for softball and stuff. Since I go to Jonifest, does this mean I've finally achieved that goal? Lori, not sure whether to laugh or cry http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piss-n-moan/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:11:01 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) hi sherelle > I am in negotiations to sign a contract with an independent label here in > D.C.! This means I will finally be able to finish this CD project! The name way to go!!!!!! i think you really deserve the break - i would imagine its been hard trying to make it happen, but really on the evidenve of your demo cd - there was very little doubt it would happen!!!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:20:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) - njc Jim Leonard wrote: > As this message from Andrea shows, however, I will step forward about > this issue if I feel my views are being incorrectly interpreted by > others to the JMDL at large. Jim, I'm pretty sure you meant "this message from Anita," but it doesn't matter. Andrea may well be adding her 2 cents too (and I'd bet dollars to donuts she'd agree with you, Jim). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:20:46 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Here we go again (2) hi >>>>david wrote > Lists are what they become and I think it's odd when someone posts that > they have a narrow vision of what it "should" be that everyone else > should conform themselves to. that is so well said!!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:02:02 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) Thanks Randy! My dream is to see all of the JMDL artists get the recognition they deserve. Maybe there will be a way I can play a part in tht one day. I am awestruck by the talent on this list and I really can't take more credit than I deserve. If I get blessed, I'm going to try to bless someone else. Since dreams do come true, what would our JMDL dream be? Love, Sherelle >From: Randy Remote >To: Sherelle Smith , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:57:50 -0800 > >Congratulations, Sherelle! Much success to you! We'll be able to >say 'we knew you when' . > _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:02:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Here we go again Hey jim, it doesn't bother me that you don't like these posts but it does bother a lot me that you find them to be motivated by some need for self worth...because (for me), it is really as simple as being friendly & open & (for me on digest) a little lazy by hitting reply (instead of cutting & pasting an email address)... kate Jim >On other lists, occasionally a list member may announce that a tragedy has befallen him/her, or that there's something personal to celebrate, but that does not generate copious *on-list* messages in response. (To what end, I ask? So that all may see how wonderful and sensitive we are? Is it a self-worth thing?)< [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:16:44 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) On Being Inclusive ............. (was Re: Goodbye) > If you're not a Jonifest attendee, you're pretty much frozen out and > your posts are ignored by the "popular kids." I would like to apologize for my sarcasm in my previous post regarding this subject. Deb Messling, you have been one of my favorite members of the JMDL for as long as I've been here (or as long as you've been here, whichever). The funny thing is, I think it was not long after JoniFest 2002 that someone on the Northeast Jonifest list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/northeastjonifest/) became concerned that there was a lot of discussion on that sublist that wasn't being shared with the "big" (or main) list. It was suggested that everyone return to posting on the main list so that the NEJF list didn't become its own little club. Perhaps it would be better for all the (Uncle) Festers to stick to the NEJF list (although that list is already quite active). I do understand the issue of not feeling included on (or by) this list. Someone even told me once that when s/he attended an event where there was a large JMDL gathering, s/he felt somewhat "dissed" by the "in" crowd. (I assume s/he introduced her/himself and tried to engage other listers in discussion and was rebuffed, or something led to feeling that s/he was.) I doubt that it's intentional on the part of JMDL member to make others feel excluded, but when it happens it can reek of the "popular and cool" people ignoring everyone else. I think it's true that many of us get wrapped up in ourselves and what's on our mind and forget to acknowledge posts from people who usually lurk. We can all do a better job of trying to include everyone (especially "newbies" who may have an initially difficult time "breaking in" to the conversation), and I think we should all try. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:19:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Thanks and Idea that is a great idea paz, i have not met mg so don't have any photos with her but i sure like the idea of sending her photos of partying with folks here...this is not an offer of help (as i am not adept at art things either) but instead just an affirmation that i think this is a wonderful thing to do! > Also any other ideas regarding this would be appreciated. I was inspired to do this after looking at all of the pics from the past fests (which would be good to add in there) of MG and all of us partying. Thanks for your help and look forward to hearing from you soon. Best, Paz < ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:24:25 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Evian's Flag Story I wrote (Re: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long!): > I agree, Bob. On the other hand, Americans don't need to be so > obnoxious about displaying our flag constantly and everywhere. Why > not do as most other countries do, and display it on special > occasions only? Rob (Evian) responded with: > I love you, Lori! and a wonderfully sad story about trying to cross the border to go shopping in Minot ND, and freaking out about all the overt flag-waving in North Dakota. I've been meaning to respond to your post, Rob, for days now. First of all, I LOVE YOU TOO! : ) When I was stationed in Fortuna ND (http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/downtownfortuna.html), it was popular to say, "Why not Minot? Freezin's the reason!" It's unfortunate that the saying will now have to be modified to include mention of ignorant INS border guards. They should know that out there on the prairie, it's perfectly normal to drive for 3 or 4 hours to go shopping!! I certainly did it, lots of times. Anyway, Happy Holidays Rob & Tracy -- and everyone!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:34:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: chaos, NJC Victor the mystic>. Pema Chodrun in her book "When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times" talks about embracing chaos and obstacles instead of fighting them, incorporating it into your existence and letting it become a part of you, much like you are saying. This book is one of the best I've ever read and I even had a mystical experience with it involving one of Kate Bennett's songs. I've read some of Scott Peck as well and enjoyed him.<< Whoohooo! I just love to be part of anyone's mystical experience! Life to me is such a mystical experience when I remember to allow that perspective! Thanks victor! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:41:00 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) Congratulations Sherelle!! you deserve this, i still listen to your cd on a regular basis and think you are just wonderful. Keep on trying because you've got the stuff mama!! Good luck. love db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 12/10/2003 3:12:29 PM >>> Hi Joni family! I'll try not to make this too lengthy, but I wanted to share this with you..... I am in negotiations to sign a contract with an independent label here in D.C.! This means I will finally be able to finish this CD project! The name of the label is Platinum Bound Records. I actually met the VP while I was doing the Anita Baker musical in September. I was told by the playwright that someone he knew wanted to record me. I didn't realize who it was. They both stopped by the office Monday and the VP told me he really liked my CD! This is an up and coming label, but I am impressed with their vision and with their knowledge of the business. They have their own photo studio, their own equipment to print and press mass numbers of CD's, a production company to produce the videos and connections to get me into the jazz festivals (especially in New Orleans, Paz!) I am in shock but this is definitely going to happen. I can't quit my day job yet because it is a small label, but they have big plans for me. If nothing else happens, I will at least get a finished product! The best news it that plans are already in the works to have me open for one of my favorite groups Frankie Beverly and Maze (Joy and Pain) in February! I have a band to back me that is employed by the label. I am in serious shock as is my family and need to adjust to the idea of touring and making music all the time. How happy I've been for anyone who gets to do it on a full time basis. So that is it for me. I'm sorry that I am still catching up on my digests so I will write more things relevant to what's going on in the digests another time. I did want to let MG know that my thoughts and prayers are with her as she goes through battle. Take care MG!!! Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:03:09 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: (NJC) On Being Inclusive ............. (was Re: Goodbye) lori said: <> just to offer some thoughts on that..... yeah, i understand it, too. i've been to the past two fests, and i have what i'd consider to be some really close friendships with a few other list members, yet i still feel "outside" more than anything else. BUT i also know that i don't post a lot. and that i'm kinda quiet, until i get to know someone. i'm pretty sure that if i jumped in with both feet, if i responded more, privately or publicly, if i just virtually got out there and got to know folks that i'd feel more included. so it's that chicken and egg thing, isn't it? and, anyhow, how is what happens here any different from the way we form relationships at work, at our favorite watering holes, at our kids soccer games? you gotta give to get, and we all know that. in fact, every time i (privately) send a greeting to a newbie, that's my first (and typically only, unless we're having another of our family snits that are best ignored) bit of advice - jump in with both feet. you may not like all of us, but jump on in on some discussions that you can sink your teeth into, let us know how you feel about the topics du jour, and that's how you'll end up feeling like part of this crazy family of ours. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:55:28 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Evian's Flag Story Lori - I always enjoy hearing about your time up there in the vast Paprika Plains. But those poor border guards should be cut a little slack! It doesn't sound like a real fun job to me. It also occurred to me that groups of people who travel in a bus or train to cross the border rather than in an individual vehicle, are always going to have to be put through more inconvenience because when you cross in your car they automatically run your license plate through something like Interpol and have more of an immediate confirmation that you are who you say you are. They can't get that confirmation with buses, trains, etc. I remember coming back across the Mexican border in a bus back in 1989. I was down there with a group (all U.S. citizens) from the L.A. Junior Chamber of Commerce and we were returning from dropping off donations to orphanages. We were pulled over, all checked out and held up for an hour and a half while they not only had drug dogs sniff the entire bus but even x-rayed some of the pinatas and other souvenirs people were bringing back! Another time I was coming back in a car with my boyfriend after 10 days on the beach and developing a very dark tan. They held us up for an hour questioning me and were ready to detain me (despite the very Irish name and L.A. accent) because I did not have a birth certificate or passport on me. Then there was the time I got caught smuggling back a case of Corona beers...... ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #615 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)