From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #614 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 614 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: chaos, NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #384 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #384 [StDoherty@aol.com] Here we go again, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: just stop (njc) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Here we go again [Melissa ] Re: Here we go again njc [tantra-apso ] Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: chaos, NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Here we go again [Michael Paz ] Goodbye ["Mark or Travis" ] Thanks ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Thanks (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Here we go again (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Goodbye (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] other lists (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] HaHa(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Miles of Aisles [Catherine McKay ] Re: other lists (NJC) [Steven Blue ] Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? [Catherine McKay ] Today in History: December 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:49:50 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: chaos, NJC Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com > Chaos seems to be a good sign in the growth of community. In "pseudocommunity," conflict is avoided and people think > everything is just "wonderful" but nobody really communicates. The next growth stage > according to Scott is "emptiness," which he says is "the bridge between chaos > and community." When he explains emptiness to people, he says, "I tell them > simply that they need to empty themselves of barriers to communication." I enjoy the discussions on the > JMDL and feel a real sense of community here because for the most part, people > are pretty good at emptying themselves of barriers. Joni has a way with words > and so do the people on this list. I'm glad I'm a part of it. Exactly! You hit it on the nail. Pema Chodrun in her book "When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times" talks about embracing chaos and obstacles instead of fighting them, incorporating it into your existence and letting it become a part of you, much like you are saying. This book is one of the best I've ever read and I even had a mystical experience with it involving one of Kate Bennett's songs. I've read some of Scott Peck as well and enjoyed him. I agree, releasing barriers is a great thing and it can be a continual process, frustrating at times, but in the long run, I think it makes for a healthier existence. I've recently released a major barrier and already I am feeling very rejuvenated and invigorated as a result. I'm glad to be a part of it too... Victor, having finally learned today the reason for my existence......to play the Simpsons game on Playstation 2! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:23:35 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #384 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:31:00 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #384 In a message dated 12/10/2003 6:24:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:10:54 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Here we go again I wish that you people would decide to have a Joni Mitchell discussion list (as the Joni Mitchell website advertises, and to which newbies are directed) -- Ah the irony of it all .... I just pretty much skipped the last issue - too much information on the "here we goes again" (did see that Christie Brinkley remark - huh???- vintage JMDL) 'cause I can. I don't even mind when sombody flubs and - heaven forbids - posts a NJC. Will check tomorrow and hope it all ends. By the way - I thought it wonderful that folks want to and support a cohort the way they have (and I'm talking about the original post - not all the lectures to the poor fellow who started this all). Peace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:31:39 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Here we go again, njc , jll@tampabay.rr.com > writes: > > << What I cannot fathom is why, in the sole case of the JMDL, the atmosphere > here is such that those friendships are almost *expected* to be carried out in > public view, on an international forum. It is not the friendships I object > to, see? It is the fact that so much which should be kept personal, if it is > sincere and selfless, is made public. Azeem replies> You obviously have your > own issues with people sharing personal stuff on list, but you are not going to > get people to stop doing that. > Personally I don't mind if people kiss on main street (I'm in France after all). But my kids find it very embarassing, even if I kiss their mother. I think the whole point here is not to scare newbies away. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:40:03 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: just stop (njc) In a message dated 10/12/2003 15:05:18 GMT Standard Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: << I'll put this bluntly. For everyone who is just so damn fascinated with accounting, go take a class if you're that interested. Otherwise, shut up. >> That sound you hear is the nail being hit squarely and precisely on the head. Well said Anne! Azeem in London NP: Shivaree - I Oughtta Give You A Shot In The Head For Making Me Live In This Dump PS Actually I'm not listening to that album, but I love the title so much that I *lied* just to see it in print again. I've in fact been listening to their second album, Rough Dreams, which is pretty good on a first listen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:41:09 +1100 From: Melissa Subject: Re: Here we go again At the risk of dragging this post out way longer than is warranted, I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. As an infrequent poster but an avid reader, I accept the JMDL for what it has evolved into. If I'm not interested in a particular thread, I simply skip or skim it. On balance, the things that interest me outweigh those that don't, and while ever the balance stays in favour of things that interest me, I'm happy. It may be presumptuous of me to say so, but I have a feeling that Joni herself would want us listers to be supportive and tolerant. Joni's music, art and words evoke such strong emotions that it's almost possible not to get a bit "touchy-feely" when discussing her talent with those who appreciate it. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:41:38 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Here we go again njc Jim Leonard wrote: > It is not the friendships I >object to, see? It is the fact that so much which should be kept personal, >if it is sincere and selfless, is made public. Am I not getting through >still? Probably not. > I understand what you are saying. It seems that some stuff written here is too personal, iyo, for a public forum, and it is that you find disturbing, not the friendships formed. I also read that as a result, you think a lot of it is insincere bullshit. I do think you have a point, but would not agree that ALL of such mails is insincere and not all writers of such are either, tho of course some will be. It is easy to write stuff you later wish you hadn't written to a public forum. AND usually, for me anyway, it is the sincere, heartfelt, honest stuff that i have regretted writing. However, i still think that much of what is written is meant. I take things at face value until I learn otherwise. I have read posts of undying friendship that amount to nought. I also have read posts that appeared sincere and weref rom people who followed thru, In the end, it is down to us. > >Best, >Jim > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:07:54 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) OHMYGAWD!!!!! Sherelle I could not be happier for you. I wish you all the best on the world! Do you have an entertainment attorney?? Please be very careful before you sign anything. Anything that I can do for you it would be my honour to assist you on any level. Please send me more info about this company privately and feel free to call me and pick my brain for help. Love ya Yipppppppppppie! Paz > Hi Joni family! > > I'll try not to make this too lengthy, but I wanted to share this with > you..... > > I am in negotiations to sign a contract with an independent label here in > D.C.! This means I will finally be able to finish this CD project! The name > of the label is Platinum Bound Records. I actually met the VP while I was > doing the Anita Baker musical in September. I was told by the playwright > that someone he knew wanted to record me. I didn't realize who it was. They > both stopped by the office Monday and the VP told me he really liked my CD! > > This is an up and coming label, but I am impressed with their vision and > with their knowledge of the business. They have their own photo studio, > their own equipment to print and press mass numbers of CD's, a production > company to produce the videos and connections to get me into the jazz > festivals (especially in New Orleans, Paz!) I am in shock but this is > definitely going to happen. I can't quit my day job yet because it is a > small label, but they have big plans for me. If nothing else happens, I will > at least get a finished product! > > The best news it that plans are already in the works to have me open for one > of my favorite groups Frankie Beverly and Maze (Joy and Pain) in February! I > have a band to back me that is employed by the label. I am in serious shock > as is my family and need to adjust to the idea of touring and making music > all the time. How happy I've been for anyone who gets to do it on a full > time basis. > > So that is it for me. I'm sorry that I am still catching up on my digests so > I will write more things relevant to what's going on in the digests another > time. I did want to let MG know that my thoughts and prayers are with her as > she goes through battle. Take care MG!!! > > Love, Sherelle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the > FREE McAfee online computer scan! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:22:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: chaos, NJC Dear Victor It's time to start your next record! Love Paz > Victor, having finally learned today the reason for my existence......to > play the Simpsons game on Playstation 2! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:32:33 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Here we go again Jim I wish I had the time to really get into this topic with you. I have been here since ALMOST the beginning and I have had my ups and downs like most. I do feel that I have grown as a person because of this list in many ways and most of all I feel I am closer to people here than people I work with or see socially regularly or people I Have none for 30 years +. One thing I recommend to you as a friend: GET THYSELF TO A JONIFEST!!!! It will change your life. It did mine and I know have friends that I will never forget or give up and we get so little time together. It's just not fair. Who the hell was gonna start the JoniList retirement home for wayward chirren??? I agonize over the last conversations I had with Andrea before we lost her because I truly believe that if she would have gotten in the car with Lori and come down to Full Moon, we would still count her amongst the active members here on the list. I also believe that this is like a family and you have your closer brothers and sisters and the ones that bug you and every variation thereof. My point is that I have learned to deal with my family and enjoy the fruits (not YOU Jimmy) of all aspects of this list including the negative because I learn and grow from it. I am personllay inviting you to come to the next fest wherever that may be. And also open invitation to a mini fest in New Orleans (the mini ones are better cause you have more one on one time RIGHT GISELE????) Anyways thanks for taking the pressure off of others with a new thread. Best Paz NP-Billboard Music awards (OMG I love the song No Doubt did by Talk Talk but she was so flat vocally. > I wish that you people would decide to have a Joni Mitchell discussion list > (as the Joni Mitchell website advertises, and to which newbies are > directed) -- one which would be like other music-oriented discussion lists > I'm on -- instead of a "Caring Friends Network" list. (I'm speaking in > general here, and not specifically about the call for funds for MG.) All of > this *on-list*, community involvement in each other's personal lives has > made me uncomfortable here from the first, and, in my opinion, it has always > been a potential powder keg -- one which is now about to blow, it would > appear. > > I have been moved to post at length, several times over the past couple of > years, as to my rationale for feeling this way (so I won't again tonight), > and, in doing so, I have made some (imo) very persuasive arguments for there > being a different "environment" here on what is supposed to me the > J(oni)M(itchell)D(iscussion)L(ist). "Joni Only" is not the answer for me -- > nor should it be my alternative -- as my interests are more wide-ranging as > they pertain to music and other arts enjoyed by fans of Joni Mitchell. How > about, instead, if people want to have a "supportive friends' list," they be > asked to start a new "supportive friends' list" instead? Those same people > could be active here on the JMDL, as well, if the topics are of sufficient > interest to them. > > How many active posters are there here, really? Thirty, maybe? Do we have > any idea what that number represents, percentage-wise, verses the total > number of subscribers? Think of the music content we are likely missing > because of this touchy-feely close-knit group thing that goes on ad nauseum. > How many people come to the list via the website (as I did), lurk for a week > or so, and then unsub? I'll bet it's a fair number. Either that or they > continue to lurk for the perverse enjoyment of watching you all. I've stayed > because Joni Mitchell is one of the handful of artists who's meant the most > to me in my lifetime, and because there are people here whose posts I > genuinely look forward to reading. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:06:13 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Goodbye There are 48 unread emails in the Joni file tonight. I don't want to read them. More and more I have felt like I am on the periphery of this 'community'. It seems to me that the list is mainly for Jonifest attendees these days. Personally I feel like the rest of us are out in the woods somewhere unless we work really hard to force our way in. I don't want to do it anymore. Ashara, I love you. I'm sorry you have been hurt. I admire you and in no way mean to say anything negative about Jonifest. I think it's a wonderful thing you have created and have the utmost respect for your organizational skills, generosity and good intentions. Your ability to make things happen never ceases to amaze me. You are a light in a dark world. Mags, Although we have never met, I feel that I know you. You have one of the biggest hearts and most generous spirits I have ever encountered. I am sorry that you have been hurt as well. Please, please stay in touch. Jim, There was a time when you would never have admitted to being in the wrong. You would have responded with anger and sarcasm. You didn't do that this time. You admitted you were wrong and you apologized. I respect you for that. I think you have grown as a human being. For that reason I think you deserve to have some slack cut for you. I hope people will do that. Btw, the live Junkies cds you sent me are wonderful. Thank you so much for your generosity. MG, If you're still reading the list, I love you too. I have met you on two occasions (Ashara's and the BSN concert) and can only say you are a complete delight. A truly lovely human being. You are in my thoughts and prayers. To everyone else whose generosity I have benefited from or who have had a kind word for me over the years, thank you all. There are a lot of very fine people on this list and I will miss many of you. Many of you know that I am lousy at keeping up a correspondence but if you want to write me, please do. For now, I think I need to find some other outlet for my obvious need to express myself via the written word. So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blest That's my best to you. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:04:16 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Thanks Mr. Jimmy Stewart always reposts my Thanksgiving message to the list. Thanks for doing that Jimmy. There is a lot more that, in recent days, I have reflected on and been thankful for. Thanks to Julie Z. Webb, who took the plunge and first opened her home to a bunch of internet crazies. What courage it must have taken for you to do this. I don't know if you are still here, or if you ever drop by the archives, but if you do, bless you and happy holidays. It was at Julie's that I met Mary Grace. What a wonderful, giving, caring individual. We have shared mailings on and off for years. Everyday I light a candle for you and send healing thoughts your way. Thank you for entering my life and lifting my spirits. I know that you have done the same for many others here. Out of nowhere came Ashara, willing to pick up the torch when Julie understood that it was just too much to think of EVER making this an annual event. Because, you see, those of us that went, and basically did NONE of the work, wanted to go again. Who wouldn't? After all, the only thing we really did was travel! Thank you Ashara. You opened your heart and home to me. Let me stay with you, break bread, sing, laugh and cry. This past year, the most difficult ever in my life, you helped me with a scholarship to attend Jonifest at Full Moon. I would not have been able to go without this help. Mostly, thanks for having a FOURTH fest. Each year I wasn't able to attend at your home it bummed me out. When I finally did go I understood why everyone wanted you to continue but I couldn't imagine HOW you ever pulled it off year after year. I really would like to take the time to thank each and every one of you who I have met. There are so many acts of unselfish kindness that I have been the recipient of. By that same token, when times were better for me I have always tried to reciprocate. My life in recent months has taken a turn for the better. I was glad to read Mag's post about fundraising for Mary Grace. Thank you Mags for offering to do this on MG's behalf. I know that in the past you have felt the warmth of the JMDL wash over you in your time of need, so how wonderful of you to want to give back in return. I have been around this list for years. There are so many acts of kindness that I would love to share. The most recent, however, was by a lister whom I haven't had the pleasure of meeting. You see, though, it isn't always about who you know. Sometimes we are just THERE for each other, know what I mean? Janine Sherman answered a post I wrote about a Fleetwood Mac concert. From there, we went into a private discussion where she gave me some wonderful, comforting advice. A few days later, I got an unsolicited gift from her in the mail. Kindness is a wonderful thing. Trust grows from each and every act of kindness. This community is full of caring individuals who I would trust with my life and finances. How many of us have opened our home to listers? I know that I did. I'll bet there are at least fifty of us who at one time or another have allowed a traveling lister to stay over, free of charge. We are a great community. Please open your heart and allow the light of caring and kindness to enter. This is the season of miracles. I know they can happen. I pray that the healing power of our combined community will create a force for good. Thanks for the bandwidth. Please donate if you are able. Suze ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:10:13 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Thanks (njc) Suze, thank you for your beautiful post. You GET it. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:15:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Here we go again (njc) > I agonize over the last conversations I had with Andrea before we > lost her because I truly believe that if she would have gotten in the > car with Lori and come down to Full Moon, we would still count her > amongst the active members here on the list. I agree with you, Michael. I also agree with you that Jim -- yes YOU, Jim Leonard! -- should come to the next JoniFest. As touchy-feely as you may think it is (funny, Andrea thought the same thing), I'll bet you $5 that it's not anything like what you've imagined. (Except for that kumbayah thing at the beginning ...) : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:28:11 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Goodbye (njc) > More and more I have felt like I am on the periphery of this > 'community'. It seems to me that the list is mainly for Jonifest > attendees these days. This is exactly what I was afraid was about to happen with this latest rash of angry posts (and I will own my part in contributing). It is also why I have asked several times that we moved this particular spat OFF-LIST. Mark, I know you remember this: January 1999 in Los Angeles. You spotting me on the corner near the museum. The Van Gogh exhibit. Playing music and singing and partying at Kakki's until the wee hours with Travis and Paz and Clark and Ken and Phyllis (and her astounded friend) and you know I'm sure there were more ... (forgive me if I've forgotten a name, it's been a long day and I'm beat) ... It's worth coming back in awhile, after a break. Please do. Peace, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:01:16 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: other lists (NJC) In the past few months I have joined the 2400Fulton and Lee Shore lists for Jefferson Airplane and CSN respectively. I get digests from the almost every day, although not with the frequency of the JMDL. Both are OK. but neither offer the depth or diversity of topics that I see here. The CSN list is mostly about trading bootleg recordings. And news about current or future tours of CPR, CSN, Neil, Crosby & Nash, etc. I must say it is nice to see news of current performances, recordings, and such there, compared to the lack of such news from Joni. Occasionally I have seen David Crosby post. 2400 Fulton is a little stranger, with much political content. Some of the strangest initiated by Paul Kantner, a frequent poster. Seeing his remarks and the responses they generate has made me grateful that Joni does not post on the JMDL. In fact, reading Kantner's stuff has made me think less of him. (Not that I ever felt that he was the emotional cornerstone of the Airplane anyway.) I think her absence from the list makes for a much freer discussion of her work. If we knew she was monitoring the comments I think that would result in a more constricted interchange. I am not a frequent poster, but I have always felt welcome. I don't consider myself a part of a 'close-knit' group here. But I have been the recipient of much heart-felt concern when Andrea died. From people I didn't know, and who didn't know me. I was quite moved by that. And appreciative. I guess I could be cynical and say, "Well, it's easy to post an email of condolence to somebody you don't know to make yourself seem like somebody who cares." But I think it's probably easier to do nothing at all. And those choices, to do something rather than nothing, is what makes the people on this list interesting, worth reading and worth knowing. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:18:55 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: HaHa(njc) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:29:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles --- Donna Binkley wrote: > How about a new thread? Yes we've done this, but > here's the thing, > > I recently met a new friend, she lives in Austin and > is a new Joni fan > - but only has a couple of her albums. She bought > and listened to > Miles of Aisles this week for the first time and > loves it!! > > She is thinking of joining us here, so I thought > this: name or quote > your favorite line, moment, song etc. > from Miles of Ailes or why you like or dislike it... "Joni, you're better than (something) and Gomer Pyle and (something)." some overenthusiastic and annoying fan. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: Re: other lists (NJC) Peace...................... Bruce Kimerer wrote:In the past few months I have joined the 2400Fulton and Lee Shore lists for Jefferson Airplane and CSN respectively. I get digests from the almost every day, although not with the frequency of the JMDL. Both are OK. but neither offer the depth or diversity of topics that I see here. The CSN list is mostly about trading bootleg recordings. And news about current or future tours of CPR, CSN, Neil, Crosby & Nash, etc. I must say it is nice to see news of current performances, recordings, and such there, compared to the lack of such news from Joni. Occasionally I have seen David Crosby post. 2400 Fulton is a little stranger, with much political content. Some of the strangest initiated by Paul Kantner, a frequent poster. Seeing his remarks and the responses they generate has made me grateful that Joni does not post on the JMDL. In fact, reading Kantner's stuff has made me think less of him. (Not that I ever felt that he was the emotional cornerstone of the Airplane anyway.) I think her absence from the list makes for a much freer discussion of her work. If we knew she was monitoring the comments I think that would result in a more constricted interchange. I am not a frequent poster, but I have always felt welcome. I don't consider myself a part of a 'close-knit' group here. But I have been the recipient of much heart-felt concern when Andrea died. From people I didn't know, and who didn't know me. I was quite moved by that. And appreciative. I guess I could be cynical and say, "Well, it's easy to post an email of condolence to somebody you don't know to make yourself seem like somebody who cares." But I think it's probably easier to do nothing at all. And those choices, to do something rather than nothing, is what makes the people on this list interesting, worth reading and worth knowing. Bruce Steven A. Blue Atoll Law Enforcement APO AP 96558 New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > "Cool Water" is one of the high spots for me on what > is imo one of Joni's > weaker efforts. Of the celebrity duets on this > record, it's far & away the > most effective, as Willie Nelson's voice is a nice > contrast to hers and > since he evokes desert imagery with his dusty and > sun-weathered appearance > and dry voice. Thanks for posting the lyrics - I didn't realize how much Joni had changed them. I do remember hearing the original song and being surprised on hearing Joni sing it, that the writers were so ahead of their time ecologically speaking - now I know why! > PS: I couldn't help noticing your address...I was a > stamp collector for > most of my youth, then at some point I got my first > kiss (a next door > neighbor named Janey) and soon lost interest in my > stamp collection! :~) > (My favorite stamps to collect were Russia and > Burundi) And of course there are Burundi drums in "The Jungle Line" so it all makes sense Jonily. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:36 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni mention in Esquire Hi Kate, I found that an odd statement as well. Christie is 49- hardly possible for Joni to be her mother!! Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Kate Bennett : > That is so sweet! I know how christie feels! Funny that joni says people > think she's christie's mom as christie must be closer to joni's age than > to her daughter's age... > > >Former model Christie Brinkley: > > "I couldn't count the hours I spent by my stereo deciphering Joni > Mitchell's > lyrics and adding them to my life's meaning. When I got the chance to > meet > her, there were so many things I wanted to say, and I was so overwhelmed > that I > couldn't talk. She said, "You know how many times people ask me if I'm > your > Mom?" I tried to speak again, but nothing came out."< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:00:15 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Over The Rhine" appearance on "The World Cafe", avail on CD-R, njc I posted this offer the other day on the "Over The Rhine" list. Now it's your turn. The release of OtR's new album "Ohio" was the occasion for Karin Berquist & Linford Detweiler's visit to the interview and music show called "The World Cafe". She was a voice and piano major in college. She spent lots of time in church. When singing, she always does some unique and new things with vowels. Karin always sounds fresh somehow. My favorite OtR song is one of Karin's. She saw a small body of water one day and it made an impression. When she came home and told Linford about it, the song "Little Blue River" came. Two years ago on a road trip between Louisville and Indianapolis, Anna and I saw a signpost announcing "Big Blue River". She said, "You don't suppose this has something to do with that OtR song, do you?" Sure enough. A minute later, a similar sign said, "Little Blue River". When they do this song live, they have a false ending when Karin does this breathy, unspeakably tender line. Full stop. Then they build up and up and up. Linford was a minister's son who also majored in piano. They wrote the songs and inherited the band's name when the rest of them split. For the interview/music show, broadcast on December 2, they brought along a full band. http://worldcafe.org/comingup.php Anyway, I taped it and transferred the hour onto CD-R with a borrowed recorder. If someone wants a copy of the hour, write to me off-list. The deal is, if you: 1. promise not sell it or profit from it in any way, 2. send me a blank CD-R, and 3. include return postage, I'll burn one for you. The syndicated show is produced at Philadelphia's WXPN. If you like stripped-down piano-voice arrangements (fleshed out with bass and drums), and stories of dim memories, longing, quiet faith, or desperation, you'll like OtR. (I hate to label it like that.) Some of it is the host David Dye playing the right music to set the mood, then introducing the band, etc. I'm not even putting track marks on it. It's just a straightforward transfer to CD-R. Their previous album, "FILMS FOR RADIO" was warmly reviewed by some Dutch uncle named van Tiel. I think he likes blond, German women with clear, pure voices. As we say in the US, "It works for me." All the best, Lama np: My favorite teacher, Yael Harlap, doing "Court & Spark" on Disc One from JoniFest 2003, accompanied by peacemaker Michael Paz. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:08:49 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: What a tangled web.... NJC I am sitting here wondering how a simple request to send something rather wonderful to someone greatly in distress can turn into the brawl that it has.. It reminds me of the tale of the frontline soldiers who sent a message along the trenches in the Gallipoli Campaign of the First World War. The message, sent by word of mouth was "Send reinforcements, we are going to advance" The message that eventually got relayed was "Lend us three and fourpence we are going to a dance" The initial message of need and desperate requirement resulted in slaughter as the reinforcements never came. This is a season of good will to all men.. apparently. Even those with no religious persuasion will usually put something in a fund for those without shelter, put money in a carol singers tin for some good cause or another. I work for a Britain's largest children's charity. I am responsible for paying in thousands and thousands of pounds a year which I often have to count in my home, and for which each school or institution receives a receipt. Not one school requests an itemised account of exactly where their money goes, who gets what. Anyone wanting to examine Barnardo's accounts can have a coy og the report and accounts as the charity is a PUBLICLY funded organisation.... What was suggested in relation to Mary Grace was a charitable deed, something to help a member of this community who may not be with us that much longer. I do not know Mary Grace at all and am not going to pretend that I have sent money to the pay pal account. The reasons for this are that at the moment I am involved in a Breast Cancer fundraise for a friend very close to me who is battling valiantly in the face of the fairly obvious failure of yet another treatment.... she is 36 and her daughters are like my own and my actions of a voluntary nature have to go with someone who I know and love dearly on a sisterly level. Those who know and love Mary Grace and were touched and shocked by her dreadful illness were (as I see it) asked to make any voluntary contribution they wanted to. You could have sent cheques to Mags and Bri and they could have sent a cheque on on your behalf... But then that would have "co-mingled" your money with theirs.. would you all have wanted details of all of Mags and Bri's arrangements? I think not....The bank manager said it was a difficult thing to do and that they were better off finding some other way... I attended FEST and received a bit of a scholarship from the fund. I think it was a $75 input from someone else (Les Irvine I think) and thank you all (as I mentioned on stage) it made things easier for me as I am on a limited income. What has happened here is that it seems to have been assumed (as I see it) that AShara Productions is somehow the property of the JMDL and this is not the case at all and I never believed it to be. It is, as AShara has had to point out, a private corporation that has FACILITATED a financial transaction to take place and permit the signing of contracts with the venue (who require guarantees) to allow those who can, to attend something extremely special. When I bought the bits of Fest goodies I sent a paypal payment that went to a separate section of the account... AShara keeps things separate. The money goes to where it is supposed to go and that is how it works. Therefore I paid my money and I got my goodies. I do not understand what the fuss is about using Asharas Pay Pal at all... the Pay pal account is merely a vehicle for a miracle to happen and lets let this nastiness go away. Lets put this away and remember that it started with a call for kindness and consideration. Let it be that. The total amount will be revealed (with individual amounts remaining anonymous and that is fair enough.. I am sure you can accept that..... for heavens sake ........you have always got what you paid for in terms of FEST havn't you) and let us hope that it is something to shout about.... For this amount of anger and suspicion to have arisen from a charitable act it had better be something enormous.... Please let this matter end. Let apologies be made and let Mary Grace receive a delightful surprise... Maybe all this awful conflict should be struck from the archives as if she read it, it would not be a happy thing. IN hopes for happier times for us all... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:12:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 11 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award and BMI awards the following: One Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi"; One Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock"; Two Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me"; Four Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=317 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:12:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 11 On December 11 the following articles were published: 1976: "Mitchell Misses Her Own Mark" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=155 1995: "Birthday Suite" - New Yorker (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=18 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:56:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Cool Water - What CD Is That On? Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > And it doesn't get talked about much, but she lyrically reinterprets the > Bob Nolan/Sons Of The Pioneers song significantly. The way I see it, the > original is basically about 2 guys wandering the desert, in search of water > and given instead a mirage. Enjoyed your analysis of this song, Bob. I would only add that "Dan" would seem to be the narrator's mule. The last verse: Dan's feet are sore He's yearning for Just one thing more than water Like me I guess he'd like to rest Where there's no quest for water Cool, clear water RR, with no shortage of water in No Cal at this point. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:57:50 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dreams do come true (NJC) Congratulations, Sherelle! Much success to you! We'll be able to say 'we knew you when' . Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi Joni family! > > I'll try not to make this too lengthy, but I wanted to share this with > you..... > > I am in negotiations to sign a contract with an independent label here in > D.C.! This means I will finally be able to finish this CD project! The name > of the label is Platinum Bound Records. I actually met the VP while I was > doing the Anita Baker musical in September. I was told by the playwright > that someone he knew wanted to record me. I didn't realize who it was. They > both stopped by the office Monday and the VP told me he really liked my CD! > > This is an up and coming label, but I am impressed with their vision and > with their knowledge of the business. They have their own photo studio, > their own equipment to print and press mass numbers of CD's, a production > company to produce the videos and connections to get me into the jazz > festivals (especially in New Orleans, Paz!) I am in shock but this is > definitely going to happen. I can't quit my day job yet because it is a > small label, but they have big plans for me. If nothing else happens, I will > at least get a finished product! > > The best news it that plans are already in the works to have me open for one > of my favorite groups Frankie Beverly and Maze (Joy and Pain) in February! I > have a band to back me that is employed by the label. I am in serious shock > as is my family and need to adjust to the idea of touring and making music > all the time. How happy I've been for anyone who gets to do it on a full > time basis. > > So that is it for me. I'm sorry that I am still catching up on my digests so > I will write more things relevant to what's going on in the digests another > time. I did want to let MG know that my thoughts and prayers are with her as > she goes through battle. Take care MG!!! > > Love, Sherelle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. 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