From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #610 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 610 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: * funds (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: * funds (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC [Emiliano ] Re: fyi funds (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) Impromptu JMDLer Meeting ["Lori Fye" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop njc ["Victor Johnson" ] NJC - Best of '03 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC - My Best to You 2003 [Jerry Notaro ] Mag's fund NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC - Best of '03 [FMYFL@aol.com] Prayers njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC - Best of '03 ["ron" ] Re: NJC - Best of '03 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Judie Tzuke Christmas Update ["ash" ] Re: NJC - Best of '03 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: NJC - Best of '03 ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: NJC - Best of '03 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: (Northeast Jonifest) Please stop njc [Chris Marshall ] MG fund [Randy Remote ] twisted covers NJC ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] MG Update (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: twisted covers NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni song titles by other artists [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: NJC - Best of '03 [Catherine McKay ] A Response (NJC) [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:12:26 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: * funds (njc) The questions raised by Marianne are all legitimate. HOWEVER, in my opinion, the benefits of seeking answers to them are far outweighed by the probability that the analytic process will give rise to disagreements which undermine charitable feelings that prompt contributions in the first place. The disagreements will be honest and not originate in personal stuff; JMDL members have different backgrounds and experiences and we are literate and enjoy sharing our opinions. Please forgive me for feeling that these very virtues hold in themselves the potential for gridlock and frustration. My own procedure is to make a contribution because I want to help AND because I believe that Ashara will make good decisions. I realize this "passivity," this "thoughtlessness" on my part is not beyond criticism. It doesn't conform to the "town meeting" model of American democracy. In THIS context, though, I relegate such an awareness to the realm of the theoretical. I feel comfortable in trusting a particular person and go forward based on that feeling. I hope my wariness of "process" will resonate in at least some of you. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:06:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: * funds (njc) David, that was beautifully expressed - and such a long post, coming from you ;-) And Marianne - nicely done too, sistah! I'm seeing this particular request, from Mags via Ashara's company, as along the lines of people collecting at the office for a sick co-worker. There may be more effective vehicles for doing this in the future, such as setting up a charitable foundation of some kind (bearing in mind the internationality of this group that could make it somewhat problematic if getting a tax receipt is an issue). Here in Canada, when someone is raising money for something unique (like a family whose house has burnt down), someone sets up a trust fund through a bank and then people can contribute through any branch of that bank. I'm sure there are similar ways of doing this in the US and elsewhere. However, I think this was set up quickly to deal with this quickly by people who wanted to help out quickly and found a way of making that possible. (I'm not a fan of "process" myself and I do NOT volunteer to set up the jmdl Charitable Foundation, which sounds like it could be a helluva good idea if done properly but it would have to reach beyond the 800-odd souls that make up this list in order for it to be effective - that much I DO know.) --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > The questions raised by Marianne are all legitimate. > HOWEVER, in my opinion, > the benefits of seeking answers to them are far > outweighed by the probability > that the analytic process will give rise to > disagreements which undermine > charitable feelings that prompt contributions in the > first place. The > disagreements will be honest and not originate in > personal stuff; JMDL members have > different backgrounds and experiences and we are > literate and enjoy sharing our > opinions. Please forgive me for feeling that these > very virtues hold in themselves > the potential for gridlock and frustration. > > My own procedure is to make a contribution because I > want to help AND because > I believe that Ashara will make good decisions. I > realize this "passivity," > this "thoughtlessness" on my part is not beyond > criticism. It doesn't conform > to the "town meeting" model of American democracy. > In THIS context, though, I > relegate such an awareness to the realm of the > theoretical. I feel comfortable > in trusting a particular person and go forward based > on that feeling. > > I hope my wariness of "process" will resonate in at > least some of you. > > > > DAVID LAHM ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:34:11 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC Well, Catherine, that's an advantage you've got on me: I think I can't honestly say I dig spanish music (I can't stand flamenco, indeed) By the way, I've never been in Canada (I really dreamt going there for living, when I was younger), but there's a couple of canadian musicians I love... and one I really worship ;-) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: A Case Of You, Camden, 2 June, 2000 ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Catherine McKay Para: FMYFL@aol.com ; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ; emilianopd@mundo-r.com CC: joni@smoe.org Enviado: martes, 09 de diciembre de 2003 0:23 Asunto: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC Well, I'VE never been to Spain.... but I kinda like the music... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:08:29 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop njc Let me speak- Let me spit out my bitterness- For years I've been in groups and organizations. Volunteering for anything- or doing charitable functions is a bitch. It's not the work, it's the flack you seem to get from others questioning you instead of helping, or criticizing when they couldn't possibly do what you do with any competence. That really pisses me off. I've told some people to do what I've done and do it better than me, and I'd kiss their ass for the rest of their lives. (No one has yet- done it better than me- or kissed my butt.) But, I've quit- I've stopped doing it for my own mental and emotional well-being. I couldn't stand the accusations- whether it was up front or by innuendo. It totally killed my desire to do anything like that again. Now I focus on one or two people that I know I can help, or change their life with something- hopefully positive and inspiring. Kudos to everyone who can still go on helping, and endure that kind of dis-respect. My hat's off to you. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: fyi funds (njc) I am keeping very close detailed records of all donations received for Mary Grace. I will NOT, under any circumstances, disclose the individual donation amounts or the person(s) who made the donations, out of respect, to maintain the privacy of aforementioned donations, as well as and most importantly out of respect for Mary Grace herself. I WILL give the full total, and was planning to do so in a week's time so that monies sent by mail would have time to reach Ashara. Of course if anyone wishes to know how much has been collected thus far, I can and will disclose that amount. If you have a problem with this, please write to me off list, where in my most humble opinion, such discussions and inquiries belong. It is more than heart breaking to me to read some of these posts. It really is. I just dont get it. The bank manager warned me that there would be opposition, things said, things questioned and I just didnt believe her. Mags, who is really trying hard to stay on the main road, despite all the zigs and zags. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:13:57 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: fyi funds (njc) > If you have a problem with this, please write to me off list, where > in my most humble opinion, such discussions and inquiries belong. I was just about to send a post saying the same thing (I've cancelled three rants already this morning). At the very least, can we please move this discussion off the main list? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:40:02 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Impromptu JMDLer Meeting Lucky me! Claudia is in town and we're going to have lunch together in a couple of hours. Woo hoo!! : ) Lori at work in Bethesda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:54:22 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop njc Steve wrote: > For years I've been in groups and organizations. Volunteering for anything- > or doing charitable functions is a bitch. It's not the work, it's the flack > you seem to get from others questioning you instead of helping, or > criticizing when they couldn't possibly do what you do with any competence. > That really pisses me off. Mags wrote: It is more than heart breaking to me to read some of these posts. It really is. I just dont get it. The bank manager warned me that there would be opposition, things said, things questioned and I just didnt believe her. And me: I'm starting to wonder if maybe the expectations are a little high on this list. I think it must be exceedingly difficult to maintain the same level of interaction, commitment, and intimacy that has developed over the years and to keep it fresh, vibrant, and evolving. It is difficult enough to maintain a relationship with someone you see on a daily basis, let alone with people you interact with solely on an internet basis. Are we expecting too much of ourselves? It is almost odd discussing such incredibly serious and personal situations using a medium that is so completely impersonal or so subject to interpretation. I've been considering unsubbing for awhile but always hesitate because being a member of this list has shaped the direction of my life so much. But I recently decided to "really" end a four year relationship because it was not evolving and developing though there was nothing specifically bad. I'd been suffering from depression alot but I think the key thing was not allowing myself to be free to evolve and grow naturally but trying to stay within the framework of something because it is safe and familiar and it is scary to consider life outside of that framework of reality. I wonder if that happens here on this list, this lingering in limbo, feeling indecisive...but just not feeling that spark. Steve, sticking your neck out and doing anything on your own is a bitch. You make yourself open and vulnerable and will find that some people support you in what you are doing and some people do not. You invest so much of yourself it is hard to accept the flack or indifference you receive, even from your own family sometimes. I'm very much on the fence about coming to Jonifest next year. All these recent attacks have only served to make me wonder how close knit of a group this really is. Almost nobody knew about MG and what she was struggling with until recently. It makes me wonder how much we really know about each other. It's easy to take it for granted that jonifest will be once again in the fall but what about the rest of the year? I really believe in living life to the fullest, and I want it to be great and vibrant, not just okay. I'm just not feeling that spark lately and this recent slew of attacks makes me really wonder whether its worth it. Victor, full of questions today... Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:43:03 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: (Northeast Jonifest) Please stop njc Sorry about the rant. Reading Ashara's post just set me off- it brought up alot of old hurt. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:05:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: FW: "60 Seconds for Peace" - Pass it on! njc I'm passing this one on as I have witnessed miracles & the deep transforming power of prayers...so why not? >What is "60 Seconds for Peace"? The idea is simple: "We the People" of the world are establishing a 60-second pause for peace in as many communities as possible across the globe... all on the same day, all at the same time. Sixty seconds of silence to Think, Reflect, Pray or Meditate on Peace. Our vision is simple: At precisely the same moment on 27/28 December 2003, at least one billion people will stop to think about peace. Every place of business or commerce will pause for 60 seconds. Every radio and television station will pause for 60 seconds. Every person in motion will pause for 60 seconds. And think about peace. (Get the details at http://www.BillionforPeace.org ) We trust that the simplicity of this event will allow individuals, organizations, businesses and communities around the world to create their own way of honoring the idea of peace for 60 seconds. Register your support now at: http://www.BillionforPeace.org And pass it on!< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:36:46 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: (Northeast Jonifest) Please stop njc hi tolerance, tolerance, tolerance................... jim's post came across as inappropriate in that it seemed that he questioned the integrity of two of the pillars of this community & the bitterness is still pouring out. jim already apologised - doesnt seem like its enough for some people tho - still seem to want to make an issue of it. for gods sake get over it now!!! jim apologised in a spirit of meekness & humbleness - i for one believe he is genuine & seeing what hes been subjected to here doesnt sit well. where was the compassion, the humility, the concern to go to jim & ask did he really mean what it sounded like he meant???? (well - ok there were a couple of posts like that) & just for the record - he is 100% right - mixing funds is not a good idea. no reflection on anyone involved - just basic accounting principles :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:20:23 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC - Best of '03 In an attempt to offer some discussion options... I haven't fully assembled a "Top Ten" CD list for this year yet, don't know that I can narrow it down to 10, BUT I can tell you what my top 3 are (in no order): Ani Difranco - Evolve: For all the reasons I like Joni...musically interesting, lyrically brilliant, a plethora of musical colors, a sense of an independent spirit. Challenging and rewarding at the same time. Rickie Lee Jones: See above, and this was a HUGE comeback for RLJ - not that I hadn't enjoyed her last handful of discs, because I had, but I wasn't expecting an emotional powerhouse like this from her ever again. Not just a political statement, but so many nice small moments as well. Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism: Incredibly varied and well-produced record, includes some short poppy stuff (Sound of Settling) mixed in with epic building rockers (The title track), and again Ben Gibbard's lyrics are original & interesting. He writes in complete sentences, doesn't always care about having short lyrical snippets that rhyme. This is just the tip of the iceberg for what was an outstanding year. I'll come back and flesh some of my faves out a little later. My favorite concerts: Joan Baez @ The Handlebar (who'da thunk it, she was wonderful and made a believer outta me) Death Cab For Cutie @ The Variety Playhouse - Great spontaneity & musicianship, and being there high-fiving my 17-year old son who's also a fan just made it an unforgettable night. Little Feat @ The Handlebar - Because I was expecting a repeat of their 2002 show and instead was treated to an entirely different gig. And even if it was the same I could watch Billy Payne all night. My favorite movies: Finding Nemo Lost InTranslation Mystic River Bob, always a little sad to call a "best of the year" post an NJC one... NP: CPR, "Guinnevere" 7/29/98 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Megan Mullally Motown * [6/24] Michael McDonald Songs Of Jason Robert Brown - Lauren Kennedy Canto - Gino Vannelli Live At Sine [CD & DVD] * [9/2] Jeff Buckley Elegies: A Song Cycle Original Cast Recording Want One [ECD] * [9/23] Rufus Wainwright Dark Chords On A Big Guitar * [9/9] Joan Baez Remembering Patsy Cline - Various Artists Stumble Into Grace - Emmylou Harris Sings The Rosemary Clooney Songbook * [9/30] Bette Midler Cyndi Lauper - At Last Let's Roll - Etta James Stormy Weather: The Music Of Harold Arlen - Original Soundtrack, Various Artists Blue Like That - Melissa Errico Music Never Ends - Maureen McGovern Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:39:21 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: re: shadows and light on dvd Hi Joe Can't give you anything definitive on this, but I bought a Tesco's special (Bush) DVD player for #70 a while back and the new 'Shadows And Light' plays on it fine. Must be a multi-region player, I guess. If your player is multi-region you're probably home free. Martin. In Lonon. > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:25 -0000 > From: "joe farrell" > Subject: re: shadows and light on dvd > > Can anyone tell me if the region 1 NTSC dvd issue of Shadows and Light, > released recently, will play on UK dvd players, ie region 2? > > If not are there any plans to release a region 2, European compatible, > version? > > Regards, > > Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:56:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mag's fund NJC Mags has obviously put a lot of energy & thought into organizing this fund for mg & it is now in place with paypal credit & checks on their way... So at this point, I would like to suggest that it is counterproductive to brainstorm on alternatives to mag's plan, however great they might be...the point is to take action asap towards helping mg & her family... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:10:05 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 Mine are : Covers #36 - #47 (don't tell Murphy) Jimmy, who bought very little music, saw one concert (CPR), and did not see one single movie? P.S. Do tv shows count??? I'll throw in "Joan of Arcadia" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:12:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Prayers njc Whether or not you believe in a higher power doesn't matter...i have seen some amazing transformations come about due to the power of prayer, especially when so many are involved...i would like to suggest that people put their thoughts & energy into prayers of health for mg...i've seen miracles happen too... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:52:24 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 hi well, some of my top cds for the year are - in no particular order vusi mahlasela & louis mhlongo - live at the bottom line vusi is known here as "the voice" - with good reason. beautiful haunting, with a touch of africa - love this album. blind boys of alabama - go tell it on the mountain i never thought id like christmas songs - mind you - they have changed the whole definition........ stryngs - momentum probably my second most played album of the year!! (after rory block's last fair deal) i feel a thrill of anticipation every time i hear those wonderful opening notes!!! rory block - last fair deal rorys tribute to the guitar. my album of the year so far. by a long, long way. david grisman & tony rice - tone poems wanna hear the differing tones of the worlds great guitars? with some beautiful music? an instrumental stunner (just a pity 'bout the mandolins tho - tend to drown out the guitars) emmylou harris - stumble into grace more of the same - only better..... daniel lanois - shine mmm - did i get this this year or last year? im confused - great album tho. eddie reader - angels & electricity aaahhhh - aint she great!!!! michelle shocked - short, sharp, shocked re issue wonderfully remastered version of a great album. with a whole heap of live "bonus" tracks, great stuff & individual songs of the year: stryngs - franks song - " and dress in obedient clothes" ahh, she has a way with words - painting with words & music (sound familiar????) eddie reader - bell, book & candle rory block - amazing grace - tunings here to make even joni sit up & take notice. also "old friends" a hypnotic song of fellowship. (perfect for jonifest - whos gonna do it?????) joan baez - prison trilogy/billy rose (is that the right name - anyway - always loved this & was so glad to get it as part of the box set!!) her joniness - god must be a boogie man - t'log version - ahh - great version bringing extra depth blind boys & aaron neville - joy to the world far as movies go - the last one i remember really enjoying was the last lotr!!! ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: NJC - Best of '03 > In an attempt to offer some discussion options... > > I haven't fully assembled a "Top Ten" CD list for this year yet, don't know > that I can narrow it down to 10, BUT I can tell you what my top 3 are (in > no order): > > Ani Difranco - Evolve: For all the reasons I like Joni...musically > interesting, lyrically brilliant, a plethora of musical colors, a sense of > an independent spirit. Challenging and rewarding at the same time. > > Rickie Lee Jones: See above, and this was a HUGE comeback for RLJ - not > that I hadn't enjoyed her last handful of discs, because I had, but I > wasn't expecting an emotional powerhouse like this from her ever again. Not > just a political statement, but so many nice small moments as well. > > Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism: Incredibly varied and well-produced > record, includes some short poppy stuff (Sound of Settling) mixed in with > epic building rockers (The title track), and again Ben Gibbard's lyrics are > original & interesting. He writes in complete sentences, doesn't always > care about having short lyrical snippets that rhyme. > > This is just the tip of the iceberg for what was an outstanding year. I'll > come back and flesh some of my faves out a little later. > > My favorite concerts: > > Joan Baez @ The Handlebar (who'da thunk it, she was wonderful and made a > believer outta me) > > Death Cab For Cutie @ The Variety Playhouse - Great spontaneity & > musicianship, and being there high-fiving my 17-year old son who's also a > fan just made it an unforgettable night. > > Little Feat @ The Handlebar - Because I was expecting a repeat of their > 2002 show and instead was treated to an entirely different gig. And even if > it was the same I could watch Billy Payne all night. > > My favorite movies: > > Finding Nemo > Lost InTranslation > Mystic River > > Bob, always a little sad to call a "best of the year" post an NJC one... > > NP: CPR, "Guinnevere" 7/29/98 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient > of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any > action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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You'll be pleased to know that the Board decided to renew your subscription for '04! :~) NP: Crash Test Dummies, "Superman's Song" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:07:48 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: Judie Tzuke Christmas Update Can I include this? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Muggleton" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Judie Tzuke Christmas Update Hi All, I wanted to say thank you to everyone who came to see me on the tour and a special thanks to everyone who was involved with the fantastic program and merchandise. Of course I got the flu as soon as the tour finished but now I'm busy writing for my new album, and with Lucie Silvas (Mia's sister) for her new album. It's been a very exciting time for me and I think between us we have some great songs. There will be some other songs of mine coming out next year but without me singing, I will keep you all informed of the different projects I'm involved in. So just to wish you a very merry christmas and a happy healthy and rewarding 2004. Thanks again, I really couldn't do this without your support, uplifting emails and kind wishes. big love to you and yours, Jude xxx ********************************************************************* Now a message from Jamie. ********************************************************************* Seasons Greetings, It has come to the end of the year again and it is time for us to take advantage of the marketing boon that is Christmas by pointing out what a wonderful present a Judie Tzuke CD is, especially the new Covers album 'The Beauty Of Hindsight - - Vol. 1'. To aid you in budgeting for this festive period we have a very special offer for the month of December. If you buy 3 or more CD's then they cost only #10 each (#11.50 each for orders outside the UK) including P&P. Details at www.tzuke.com In the UK the last posting for Christmas is the 20th December for orders outside the UK it is the 12th December. Please try to get orders in at least a few days before the last posting date, especially if you wish a dedication from Judie. Judie is performing at the 'Last Fling', the last gig at the Guildford Civic on the 4th of January 2004. She is doing a half hour acoustic set as part of an evening that is full of quality and shows what Guildford is going to miss in the future. This information is correct as of today but there may be changes. COMPERE: BOB HARRIS JUDIE TZUKE (Acoustic set) THE JONES GANG: GARY BROOKER & FRIENDS With Guests: CARL WAYNE: ALVIN STARDUST: PAUL JONES LEO SAYER - COLIN BLUNSTONE - BEVERLY SKEET - Proposed running times for the show are: 7.30pm - 7.40pm Bob Harris 7.40pm - 8.10pm Judie Tzuke (acoustic set) 8.25pm - 8.30pm Bob Harris 8.30pm - 9.30pm The Jones Gang 9.55pm - 10.00pm Bob Harris 10.00pm - 12 approx Gary Brooker & Friends Guildford Civic 01483 444555 www.guildford-civic.co.uk Judie is also playing two gigs in London during March or April, more details will follow. I have been asked many questions about the re-release of the deleted albums. The album we are closest to getting re-released is Left Hand Talking, but this is dependant on another company releasing it. If there is any news on this or any of the other albums I will update you. Tour merchandise and a few specials will be appearing on the website www.tzuke.com in the near future. sorry for the delay. Judie has been asked to do a Q&A for fan questions, so please send your questions to me at jamie@tzuke.com . I can't guarantee an answer or when the answers will appear but I will try to keep them appearing fairly regularly at www.tzuke.com I hope everyone has a lovely month, Merry Christmas, Jamie CDs available: BM001- Under The Angels BM002- Over The Moon BM003- Secret Agent BM004- Welcome To The Cruise BM005- Sportscar BM006- I Am The Phoenix BM007- Six Days Before The Flood BM008- Queen Secret Keeper BM009- Drive (Live) BM010- The Beauty Of Hindsight - Vol. 1 CMRCD192- Wonderland CMRCD193- The Cat Is Out DVD available: DVD1087X- The 'Cat Is Out' Tour Individual CDs #13.50 (#15 outside UK) inc. P&P. DVDs #16 (#18 outside UK) inc P&P. ********************************************************************* Big Moon Records P.O. Box 347 Weybridge KT13 9WZ U.K. http://www.tzuke.com Mail order sales and enquiries: Tel: 44 (0) 1932 590169 Email enquiries: info@tzuke.com Internet orders: www.tzuke.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:51:47 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 **daniel lanois - shine mmm - did i get this this year or last year? im confused - great album tho. ** You definitely got it this year, Ron, and you're right it's a real gem - but then again Lanois is a pretty safe bet, not only his solo stuff but anything he produces. If you like Lanois' textured sound you might want to check out Joe Henry if you're not familiar with him - he just put out another stellar effort this year called "Tiny Voices" which ventures into some of that same murky jazz-rock-ambient territory that Lanois inhabits so expertly. 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(Kushner & Sendak both appeared in cameos in the cemetary scene in Angels 1, the one in which Meryl Streep plays the rabbi. Cheers, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:27 PM > To: FMYFL@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org; owner-joni@jmdl.com > Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 > > > ***P.S. Do tv shows count??? I'll throw in "Joan of Arcadia" > > I've already noticed the HBO production of "Angels In America" on some > 'best-of' lists, so I would say that TV movies are a legit inclusion. > Didn't "Angels" air last weekend? Did anybody see it? I don't get HBO so I > didn't see it but it looked to be awfully well-done. I have never seen the > play which I know was a critical success. > > How about this category, Jimmy...best game bowled in '03? ;~) > > Bob > > PS: Thanks for putting all 12 "covers" on your list, and for the continued > support. You'll be pleased to know that the Board decided to renew your > subscription for '04! :~) > > NP: Crash Test Dummies, "Superman's Song" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient > of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any > action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:24:07 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 I saw Parts One and Two in Sarasota on its first tour and I was horribly disappointed. I'm hoping the HBO production is much better. It stars our hometown boy Patrick Wilson. Jerry > I've read Angels several times and seen a good live production of > Perestroika (the second play). > I was mightily impressed with the HBO film of Millenium Approaches (the > first play) this past Sunday and am looking forward to the second this > coming Sunday. It was riveting--and, the play ages well. It's perhaps even > more relevant and resonant in times like these. > > The playwright, Tony Kushner, has also written the just published Maurice > Sendak art book and he & Sendak have a provocative new picture book > _Brundibar_--both of these are on my top ten list. (Kushner & Sendak both > appeared in cameos in the cemetary scene in Angels 1, the one in which Meryl > Streep plays the rabbi. > > Cheers, > Richard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >> Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:27 PM >> To: FMYFL@aol.com >> Cc: joni@smoe.org; owner-joni@jmdl.com >> Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 >> >> >> ***P.S. Do tv shows count??? I'll throw in "Joan of Arcadia" >> >> I've already noticed the HBO production of "Angels In America" on some >> 'best-of' lists, so I would say that TV movies are a legit inclusion. >> Didn't "Angels" air last weekend? Did anybody see it? I don't get HBO so I >> didn't see it but it looked to be awfully well-done. I have never seen the >> play which I know was a critical success. >> >> How about this category, Jimmy...best game bowled in '03? ;~) >> >> Bob >> >> PS: Thanks for putting all 12 "covers" on your list, and for the continued >> support. You'll be pleased to know that the Board decided to renew your >> subscription for '04! :~) >> >> NP: Crash Test Dummies, "Superman's Song" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ----------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential >> and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient >> of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, >> retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any >> action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Part and parcel of the whole process of running your own business is that you have to nail down the book-keeping side of things. Every thing that goes in is tagged as "income" and a category that says what sort of income it is: in this case, money to help MG and her family. Similarly, every outgoing from the company has to be tagged as an expense (for example) and what sort of expense it is. So the cheque out to MG will be tagged as an expense, the category being MG. The bank account might just say "balance: $2543" but the books will break it all down, among which would be a line reading "MG: $200" or something. Apologies if that's teaching your or anyone else to suck eggs, but the rigor that goes with running your own company renders this whole issue a non-issue. Really. If Ashara (or anyone else) was doing this through an ordinary bank account, without an existing formal book-keeping system in place, then we'd all be right to question the procedures in place to keep track of what money is for what purpose. But that's not the case here. Ashara uses the same accounting software I do, and can tell at a glance what's what. Ergo, nothing to see here people, move on. Regards, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:18:04 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 Yikes!!! Another Joan of Arcadia fan. We dig it. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:22:13 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Judie Tzuke Christmas Update now Lucie Silvas NJC On 9 Dec 2003, at 10:07, ash wrote: > Can I include this? > ----- Original Message ----- > I wanted to say thank you to everyone who came to see me on > the tour and a special thanks to everyone who was involved > with the fantastic program and merchandise. Of course I got > the flu as soon as the tour finished but now I'm busy > writing for my new album, and with Lucie Silvas (Mia's > sister) for her new album. I've seen Lucie Silvas a couple of times live, and I have to say that her album will be worth looking out for on the strength of her live performances. I think Martin and Azeem will back me up on this one. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:13:36 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > P.S. Do tv shows count??? I'll throw in "Joan of Arcadia" I'll put in a vote for HBO's "Carnivale" - deliciously weird! and I'll bet it wins Emmies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:22:33 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: MG fund The important thing is that we all support this, and not get sidetracked by peripheral issues. To contribute to the fund for Mary Grace's medical expenses, go to: http://www.jmdl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:47:44 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: twisted covers NJC oops, sorry Bob. ;-) I guess I was not paying attention. And yes, I too loved Toni Janotta's version. I wonder if she had Joni's version in mind when she sang it. Oh and I have another cover of "Twisted" -- this time its Ann Hampton Callaway from her album "Signature" (and Bob, I looked at jmdl.com and its not listed there). It has a nice back-up vocals from the members of New York Voices and there were cute additional lyrics to it. Did you com across this one yet? Joseph in cold cold North Carolina Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > ***Bob, I have another version of "Twisted" for you -- Toni Janotta. > She > is a jazz singer and you will love her version. Will send it to you > as > soon as this term is over (which is like less than two weeks from > now).*** > > Thanks Joseph, but Toni's version was on last month's volume > #46...deleting > my posts again, Joseph? ;~) > > You were right, I did like it a bunch, it contains some nice solos > and her > voice has a uniques quality to it. > > Bob > > NP: Stryngs, "Convince" > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:06:10 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: MG Update (NJC) Many of you have written asking about updates of MG, and also for her mailing address to send cards, etc. I have received permission from her family to update people on her condition as I receive the updates as well as share her address. So..... in order to not take bandwidth on the list, if you would like to be updated as soon as I know anything, please e-mail me privately and I will add you to the list. If you would like her mailing address, please send a private message as well. Thanks, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:19:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: twisted covers NJC ***Oh and I have another cover of "Twisted" -- this time its Ann Hampton Callaway from her album "Signature" (and Bob, I looked at jmdl.com and its not listed there). It has a nice back-up vocals from the members of New York Voices and there were cute additional lyrics to it. Did you com across this one yet? *** OK, you redeemed yourself Joseph. :~) Thanks as always for aiding the cause...as for your subject, yes there are some 'twisted' covers in our collection, some of which have nothing to do with the Gray-Ross tune! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:13:07 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Joni song titles by other artists << From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Game for a Sunday In a message dated 07/12/2003 16:09:43 GMT Standard Time, muffinman@bongofury.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << How many RECORDED songs can you think of which have the exact title as a Joni tune but isn't that tune (if you see what I mean)? >> A few that spring to mind are: Talk To Me: didn't one of the ghastly DeBarge clan have a hit with this title? Azeem in London >> Hey, guys I'm pretty sure Peter Gabriel had a song called, "Talk to Me" on his US album. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:34:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - Best of '03 --- ron wrote: > hi > > rory block - last fair deal > rorys tribute to the guitar. my album of the year so > far. by a long, long > way. Hey, Ron - there's an article on Rory Block in this month's Acoustic Guitar magazine and a transcription of one of her songs. I had never heard of her before you mentioned her - she is one good-looking woman too! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:09:03 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: A Response (NJC) These posts are getting me more and more upset every day. I need to take some space to think and regroup. But first, I need to speak my truth here. I will, in the meantime, continue to deal with Jonifest issues since I have already committed to that. I am, to put it mildly, astounded, and deeply saddened that my actions and ways of doing business are put into question at all. The repeated call for "checks and balances" reeks of distrust and suspicion. Forgive me for being repetitive with some of these words and matters, but the content just doesn't seem to be understood by some. Also, please forgive the length of this e-mail. but I really feel the need to get this out. Ron wrote: <<& just for the record - he is 100% right - mixing funds is not a good idea. no reflection on anyone involved - just basic accounting principles :-) >> In my opinion, Jim is ABSOLUTELY NOT 100% right. His initial post asks to "Please stop co-mingling funds" in regard to raising money for an ill and valued member of our community. I will repeat that this a PRIVATE CORPORATION. Period, end of sentence. As it happens, Jonifest is only one of the businesses that is conducted under this PRIVATE CORPORATION. I am in no way "co-mingling funds", in the sense that any Jonifest money would be used towards anything to do with MG . The money that goes into the LLC on behalf of MG, will be turned around and then go directly out to MG. In addition, the extra percentage that paypal takes for the use of paypal for each donation will be made up by me, personally, from my personal checkbook, not from the LLC. Marianne brought up many questions: <<1. Can we, as donors to this organization/ fund, be informed as to how much money is raised?>> I have ALWAYS reported how much money is raised in the way of scholarships and what is raised for JMDL.com and JoniMitchell.com. There is no secret here, and nothing to hide. Last years's scholarship fund, 2003, raised $878.75, which does not take into account private donations towards individual costs which raised well over $800 more towards scholarships. (In other words, if someone sent a check in and marked it for a specific person, that money did not go into the "general" scholarship fund, but is marked directly towards what that person owes. I think that number is actually low, but I do not have those particular figures at my fingertips at this time. In addition, over $1,400 was raised for JoniMitchell.com. <<2. Can a report be made as to how the money is allocated?>> As far as I am concerned, absolutely not. The people that are asking for scholarship money are sharing with me private and sometimes very sensitive and personal situations. To insure that this trust is preserved, I feel it inappropriate to share someone's personal information with the list. I try to make sure the scholarships are given out as fairly as possible. Yes, the scholarships are given out based on need, but I TRUST that people who can afford to pay their way for Jonifest will not apply for scholarship. I do NOT look into people's bank accounts for the people that do apply. It is based on TRUST. I will remind you that the scholarship fund is a VOLUNTARY donation, and set up to try to help members of our community get to Jonifest that might not otherwise be able to. << Is it right to know how much was raised to help another list member in need? Is this too sensitive? (Perhaps it doesn't have to be outwardly posted to the list, instead maybe one can receive a report if requested.) >> Again, I have nothing to hide here. When there is a VOLUNTARY donation asked for, I am very glad to provide how much was raised, and always have been willing to do so. <> God, I just don't know what to say to make everyone understand that this is a PRIVATE CORPORATION. "We" are ABSOLUTELY not a co-op, "we" as a "group" cannot DECIDE to communicate ANY accounting information to ANYONE. It cannot be "volunteered" for. This is a PRIVATE CORPORATION with books that are owned by the person that owns the corporation, which NO ONE else has the right to see. I had Jonifest at my HOME for 4 years. It was a PRIVATE party, with invitations extended to the entire list. Since it was at my home, I made the decisions as to what kind of food to have, how many people I was comfortable having sleep in my home, etc. I based these decisions on a questionnaire I gave out, because I wanted people to be comfortable, have the kind of food they wanted, etc. The bottom line, was that for 4 years, it was a PRIVATE party. I asked only for enough money to cover the food that was bought, and eventually, when the music was moved to a location that we had to rent, I asked for donations to cover that cost as well. I never charged people for sleeping at the house, or for anything else. WOULD YOU ASK THE HOSTESS OF A SUMMER PARTY YOU WERE INVITED TO TO GIVE AN ANNUAL REPORT ON THE ACCOUNTING OF THAT PARTY??? Jonifest was then moved to Full Moon, and it became neccessary to make changes in the format and also necessary to personally sign a contract with Full Moon with guaranteed minimums. In order to protect myself from personal lawsuits and/or liability, the LLC was formed to run the entity of doing business as Jonifest, but also was set up to do any other kind of business I CHOSE to run through this PRIVATE CORPORATION. I have ALWAYS CHOSEN to run Jonifest as a non-profit function because I never asked for, expected, or WANTED to make a red cent off anyone for the hundreds of hours I put into this. My only intention and satisfaction was to get as many people together as possible every year because it was FUN and because I loved this community. WHEN YOU BUY A HAMMER AT THE HARDWARE STORE, WHICH IS A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY, DO YOU ASK TO SEE AN ANNUAL REPORTING OF THEIR BOOKS AND HOW MUCH THEY PAID FOR THAT HAMMER? As Les Ross has already said, when you buy tickets to a concert, function, or weekend workshop, it is no different than buying a weekend ticket to Jonifest. The only difference here is that I do not make any money whatsoever, and all the time that I put into this function is VOLUNTARY. <> Marianne, I have no idea what you mean by this sentence, but "if" the statement "the Queen" is supposed to refer to *me* in any way whatsoever, I am about as infuriated as I can possibly get. "If" it refers to me, I take that as a highly derogatory remark and "if" that is what you mean, I just DO NOT understand where that is coming from. Please explain that sentence to me. I am merely a VOLUNTEER to this website, on no higher "level" than anyone else. I do what I do because I like to believe I make a difference in people's lives, and hopefully give some value and happiness to people by volunteering my time. I am now realizing that my time is probably better spent doing some *real* good in the world instead of volunteering my time here. <> Again, as far as I am concerned, this is ABSOLUTELY none of our business. Both websites are owned and operated PRIVATELY. I have absolutely NO involvement whatsoever with either website. Les and Jim will have to answer that one for themselves. This is about all I have to say about this. Geez, you guys, what the HELL happened to this list? Ashara {without hugs tonight} ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #610 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)