From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #609 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 609 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni links ["Gillian Apter" ] RE: Please stop... NJC ["Gillian Apter" ] RE: Please stop... NJC ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: Game for a Sunday [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc [Murphycopy@ao] Queen amelia/amalia? ["Paul Mepschen" ] (NJC) Joss Stone ["Lori Fye" ] numbers..funds...Ashara..Jim..MG NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc [AsharaProducL] Re: Queen amelia/amalia? NJC [Emiliano ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc [Murphycopy@ao] Re: (NJC) Joss Stone ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Jonifest 2004 Volunteers - njc ["Donna Binkley" ] Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] * funds (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] re: shadows and light on dvd ["joe farrell" ] To Gene Mock: NJC [] Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC [Emiliano ] Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc Cyndi Lauper - At Last [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Today's Library Links: December 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: December 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:42:49 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: Joni links Paul, Thank you for those links. I had never seen the American Masters out-takes before and they are precious. In fact, I have never seen the American Masters of Joni ever. She is so expressive, eloquent and incredibly, incredibly smart. Does anyone know h I can get hold a a copy I can see in Europe? I'd much appreciate it. Thanks, Gill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:52:25 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: RE: Please stop... NJC - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:33:34 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" <------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:33:34 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Please stop... NJC Just an observation from someone who's been on this list for four years...I think what has needed to be said has been said and that further adominishment of Jim by every single listmember is not going to accomplish anything positive and seems more detrimental than helpful. The fund was created to lift someone up and to offer some help. None of us are perfect and we are all fallible. Instead of venting on Jim, maybe consider donating some money and think of others ways in which we can help people and show our support for each other. Victor, home sick for the day NP: Dallas vs Philadelphia> Subject: RE: Please stop... NJC Just an observation from someone who's been on this list for four years...I think what has needed to be said has been said and that further adominishment of Jim by every single listmember is not going to accomplish anything positive and seems more detrimental than helpful. The fund was created to lift someone up and to offer some help. None of us are perfect and we are all fallible. Instead of venting on Jim, maybe consider donating some money and think of others ways in which we can help people and show our support for each other. Victor, home sick for the day NP: Dallas vs Philadelphia..........." Here, here, Victor. 100% with you there. Hope you get better soon Gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:53:01 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: RE: Please stop... NJC Victor wrote: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:33:34 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Please stop... NJC Just an observation from someone who's been on this list for four years...I think what has needed to be said has been said and that further adominishment of Jim by every single listmember is not going to accomplish anything positive and seems more detrimental than helpful. The fund was created to lift someone up and to offer some help. None of us are perfect and we are all fallible. Instead of venting on Jim, maybe consider donating some money and think of others ways in which we can help people and show our support for each other. Victor, home sick for the day NP: Dallas vs Philadelphia> Subject: RE: Please stop... NJC Just an observation from someone who's been on this list for four years...I think what has needed to be said has been said and that further adominishment of Jim by every single listmember is not going to accomplish anything positive and seems more detrimental than helpful. The fund was created to lift someone up and to offer some help. None of us are perfect and we are all fallible. Instead of venting on Jim, maybe consider donating some money and think of others ways in which we can help people and show our support for each other. Victor, home sick for the day NP: Dallas vs Philadelphia..........." Here, here, Victor. 100% with you there. Hope you get better soon Gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:58:36 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Game for a Sunday In a message dated 07/12/2003 16:09:43 GMT Standard Time, muffinman@bongofury.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << How many RECORDED songs can you think of which have the exact title as a Joni tune but isn't that tune (if you see what I mean)? >> A few that spring to mind are: Electricity (Captain Beefheart and, more recently, yet another different song by Suede) Help Me: Sonny Boy Williamson Amelia: Cocteau Twins (Not 100% sure about this but fairly confident) Talk To Me: didn't one of the ghastly DeBarge clan have a hit with this title? Sweet Bird (of Truth): The The Love: John Lennon, Julia Fordham, probably loads more Dog Eat Dog - Adam & The Ants Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:51:02 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc My computer died on Saturday, so I am reading this for the first time today. (And may I add that I spoke to Ashara briefly by phone yesterday and she -- ever the very soul of graciousness -- never even mentioned this attack on her integrity.) Posts to the list have made me angry before, but this one is so over the top, I am seething. It breaks my heart that three of the finest members of this group -- MG, Ashara, and Mags -- have been treated so brutally. And it just sickens me that MG will read Jim's post when she is feeling better. Ugh! I almost quit the list when I first joined back in late spring of 2000 because of Jim's antics until Ashara assured me that things would get better, and they did. But this -- this is just so low, so mean-spirited and wicked, I don't want to be here at all anymore. Maybe I would have more patience to handle this SHIT if today were not the day I had chosen to quit smoking, but since I care more about my health than Jim's latest pathetic cry for attention, I am signing off for now. - --Bob Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:52:27 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: Queen amelia/amalia? He List, Something TERRIBLE might happen tomorrow. The freaking Dutch monarchy has once again reproduced itself. Yesterday the future king, son of the present Queen and married to the daughter of an Argentinian fascist, became father of another little brad who we have to pay for in taxes and who will become the future queen.......her name, they say, will be Amalia.............I HATE the monarchy and I can't stand it if they name the little dipdop after my favorite Joni song. That's all. Viva la republica! Paul of the Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:55:52 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Joss Stone I saw her on "Ellen" yesterday (a taped show from 10/21), and if you're into blues and haven't heard of her, you'll want to check her out. http://www.s-curverecords.com/joss/ Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:56:08 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: numbers..funds...Ashara..Jim..MG NJC Hi all!! I don't know what was in Jim's mind...but perhaps he like most people are into numbers. People most always at the end of the day want to know what the Dow closed at...where are stocks finished....what the lottery numbers were, etc. I am curious what a charitable orginization raised...especailly if I have given to it. I have wondered how much Ashara has collected for the scholarship fund. NOT because I distrust her...not at all...I'm just curious...and also it would be a feel- good -thing to know. At the end of the day though..it is she who gives of her time....(isn't that one of the greatest gifts.. giving of one's time??!! IT's easy to write a check) countless hours she has spent on the fest...video's ..you name it. So she can decide to run her LLC anyway she seems fit..and if I don't like it I can choose to give or not to give. MG...you are in my thoughts and prayers....this is a very hard thing to go through. For anyone on the list who has had cancer....AND TO BE TOLD THAT YOU HAVE CANCER.....IT SUCH A SCARY THING. I know some of what she is going through. I'm sorry....so very sorry... praying for a miracle for you....I believe in miracles... the best to everyone..... Love ... Bree Murphy don't leave.....we need laughs...and more laughs.... _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Quittin time No bob, please stay around! I can't take the thought of not reading your posts! And congratulations for choosing to quit smoking! Wow, that is major! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:24:17 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc My dearest Smurf, First of all, if you are reading mail, I can only hope your computer is feeling better and is back on it's feet. Please do NOT quit the list over this. I can't bear the thought of you and that southern boy not taking pot shots at each other, not to mention your posts that make me laugh out loud, making my neighbors and children thinking I am completely mad. Yes, Jim's post made me angry, but I said my peace about it, and more importantly, I absolutely *know* that I come from the purest intentions with regard to this list and the money that is entrusted to me. Ultimately, that is the most important thing, not what anyone else thinks. And most importantly of all, in the wise words of our dear Dutch Uncle: < ... let's do something for Mary Grace.>> Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:32:03 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Queen amelia/amalia? NJC Hi, Paul! Viva la repzblica! No more unuseful monarchies! Emiliano NP: All Or Nothing At All, Diana Krall, Bushnell, 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:41:20 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc Ashara writes: > And most importantly of all, in the wise words of our dear Dutch Uncle: > > < road. ... > let's do something for Mary Grace.>> I agree 100%, Ashara. Please let's all put the focus back on MG. She's a wonderful person who deserves so much better than what's she's going through right now. (I still tell a story she once wrote to me: She was sitting around a couple of years ago reading Seventeen magazine when one of her kids walked into the room and said, "Shouldn't you be reading Forty-two?") I truly didn't mean to cause a distraction -- just wanted to make a point. (The point being that I think Jim's post was so rotten I have been driven to drastic lengths to distance myself from him and the upset he causes here.) I'd like to thank everyone -- and my lawyers and God! -- who wrote on- and off-list to ask me to stay. But the fact is, I am going through a little bit of nicotine withdrawal hell right now and I would rather step away from the list while it's aggravating me. (Is there a soul here who doubts that I'll be back?) And my computer is dead, so I really can't keep up right now anyway. XO, - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:17:34 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: (NJC) Joss Stone her version of "some kind of wonderful" really has a very nice groove to it... in fact, it's the best cover of that song that i've heard. BUT she lets betty wright, who's singing back up (and what's that about, anyhow?), totally "clean-up-woman-ize" her take on sugar billy's "super duper love," which i found disappointing. i'll be very interested in seeing what she can offer with her own material. cindy <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:48:36 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Jonifest 2004 Volunteers - njc Hi gang, I am in the process of getting our volunteers together for Jonifest 2004. Some people had volunteered at my workshop last year and I am writing now to see if you are still on board. I have e-mailed you privately and not received any response yet from some so I may have your e-mail addresses wrong. Would the following people please e-mail me privately ASAP to let me know if you can still volunteer. I have a list of who volunteered for what that I can send you if you need it. Chris Marshall Claudia SanSoucie Anne Sandstrom Kate Bennett Mags & Brian Gross Maggie McNally Lori Fye Thanks from Donna This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:52:20 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! Thanks again to all of you who took a stab at a free copy of Joni Covers, #47...my pick was "The Last Time I Saw Richard" from Blue, and the winner, (and he'll have a WONDERFUL time with it I'm certain)...is Emiliano! Congrats Emiliano...please send your mailing address to me offlist and I'll get your prize on its way. And don't worry...more covers and more contests coming up! Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "I Did It All For You" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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There's certainly >no >broad-based decision making. >Lama I did not take Jim's comments to be questioning Ashara's trustworthiness or appropriateness. I believe his remarks were meant to simply raise these p r o c e s s kinds of questions: 1. Can we, as donors to this organization/ fund, be informed as to how much money is raised? 2. Can a report be made as to how the money is allocated? Perhaps this is somewhat of a sensitive issue (and maybe at times personal) to those receiving the scholarships and donations. 3. We find out how much money is raised on the raffle. . . can we also get information on how much is raised in private donations? 4. Is it right to know how much was raised to help another list member in need? Is this too sensitive? (Perhaps it doesn't have to be outwardly posted to the list, instead maybe one can receive a report if requested.) We are not a co-op, right? 5. How do we keep things simple enough for Ashara and at the same time provide information for donors? 6. Scholarships are based on need. When we give money to the fund, who is making the decisions as to how it is allocated? Perhaps it is just Ashara and anyone who she consults with. . . and perhaps this is okay. . . Or, perhaps some prefer a different process. . . AND, if they don't prefer the present process they elect not to donate. 7. Is it possible to get a G E N E R A L sense of some of the scholarship allocations? For *example* : 3 scholarships of $300.00 each were given to jonifest participants from across the sea. 6 scholarships of 100.00 each were given to jonifest participants from North America. Would the thought of one more thing for Ashara to do, send her over the edge? So if we, as a group, decide that we want communicate accounting information to members then perhaps this could be a small task for someone to volunteer for. Perhaps we could have a bit of an annual report. I personally beleive it is a good thing to share the donation information. It is informative, and useful. We are in this together. It is a good thing to ask these questions. It doesn't mean there is any mistrust of the queen. (not refering to the Q of Q) How much does it cost annually to keep the JMDL in operation? I am curious. How much does it cost to run Joni Mitchell.com? I am also curious as to how much money was raised for the scholarship fund this year. I personally don't feel we need to know WHO gave how much. . . Some orgainizations post this information.. . if the individual donors wanted this it would be okay. . . We do not *have* to be informed of these things. . . it is not owed to us. . . but I think it is good practice. Jim brings us the idea of "broad based decision making." It is interesting, in light of our discussion of socialism and cooperatives. . etc. I am all f o r broad based decision making. . or at least a small committee that is entrusted to make some decisions. . . but NOT if this sounds too complex and makes Ashara want to throw in the towel. I did not read in Jim's comments anything that made me think he was questioning Ashara's "appropriateness." Instead, I took it as a process comment. LO VE Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:03:33 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC In a message dated 12/8/2003 3:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Congrats Emiliano...please send your mailing address to me offlist and I'll > get your prize on its way. > Come on Bob, since #47 is so special, and Emiliano is such a nice man, I think you should hand deliver it :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:25 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: shadows and light on dvd Can anyone tell me if the region 1 NTSC dvd issue of Shadows and Light, released recently, will play on UK dvd players, ie region 2? If not are there any plans to release a region 2, European compatible, version? Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:34:11 -0600 From: Subject: To Gene Mock: NJC To all: Please forgive this message to Gene. Gene, I don't have your e-mail address handy, and this may be the only way to reach you in the next 24 hours. Some time ago, you expressed an interest in the VH1 documentary on Warren Zevon, "Keep Me in Your Heart." I've just learned that the documentary will be rebroadcast TOMORROW, Tuesday, Dec. 9, at 6 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Central time. Also, there is now a release date of March 9 for the DVD version of the program, which will contain one hour of previously unreleased footage, including interviews with WZ. This can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. Hope you get to watch and record the broadcast version this time! Take care, Mary. P.S. If any Zevon fans who AREN'T Gene are remotely interested in this and haven't seen it yet, please do. It's a keeper. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:24:34 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC Oh, Jimmy, you're a gem! Maybe I should send some plane tickets to all of you so you could spend New Year's Eve in my house! This would be a nice occasion for Bob to hand deliver this Covers, Volume 47 (four more than my years, at this moment :-) to me! Sure it would be... A Wonderful Time! Yours: Emiliano NP: Foreign Window, Van, SF, 22 April '92 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: FMYFL@aol.com Para: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ; emilianopd@mundo-r.com CC: joni@smoe.org Enviado: lunes, 08 de diciembre de 2003 22:03 Asunto: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC In a message dated 12/8/2003 3:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: Congrats Emiliano...please send your mailing address to me offlist and I'll get your prize on its way. Come on Bob, since #47 is so special, and Emiliano is such a nice man, I think you should hand deliver it :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: njc Cindi Lauper - At Last Cindi Lauper is another of the true artists who while not as commercially as successful, certainly has the respect of her peers .. and she creates and performs for her own expression and not for that old vile recording industry. But Kerry my dear neighbor and friend .. Michael Bolton doing "At Last" isn't he just to die for and omg his voice makes me swoon! NNOOOOOOTTT!!!! Come on there really should be a law against this! LOL Really now, how does he look in the mirror and say - "Yeah - I can tackle this one!" Pardon me while I regurgitate. But there is one version of "At Last" that for me and in my opinion matches, challenges and maybe even surpasses Ettas version .... and that is - Phoebe Snow's. I have seen her do it live and she floored me and there is a great version on a CD called "The New York Rock N Soul Review" - which features not only the Phoebster - but Boz Skaggs, Donald Fagan, Daivd Bragati, Charles Brown and Michael McDonald. I wish you all get a chance to hear this - its smashing! Did i really use that word - smashing? Ah well at least I can amuse myself. Oh well home to polish and play my entire Michael Bolton collection. ACK!!! Peace, Susan kerry wrote: And it seems like everyone is covering "At Last" lately. I saw an ad on TV for a new Michael Bolton CD and he's doing it too! (ack!) IMO, no one will ever come close to Etta James on that one.... . New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:23:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC Well, I'VE never been to Spain.... but I kinda like the music... FMYFL@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/8/2003 3:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Congrats Emiliano...please send your mailing address to me offlist and I'll > get your prize on its way. > Come on Bob, since #47 is so special, and Emiliano is such a nice man, I think you should hand deliver it :~) Jimmy Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:15:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 47 - fling that frisbee! NJC Come on Bob, since #47 is so special, and Emiliano is such a nice man, I think you should hand deliver it :~) Great idea, Jimmy...you pay for the airfare and I'm on my way! :~) Bob NP: Maria King, "Little Green" (I think that's right...thanks MICHAEL PAZ for my copy of the UK birthday concert!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:21:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Cindi Lauper - At Last ***But there is one version of "At Last" that for me and in my opinion matches, challenges and maybe even surpasses Ettas version .... and that is - Phoebe Snow's.*** I've said it before so you know that I agree with you on that call, Susan...The Phoebster TEARS IT UP on that recording, that whole CD is a keeper imo. Eva Cassidy also does a nice but far tamer take on "At Last". Bob NP: Blue by ?, UK Joni bday gig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:28:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: numbers..funds...Ashara..Jim..MG NJC Hi Folks I wanted to weigh in on this topic because it has hurt to read all of these posts from people that I love and respect. It is really hurtful to see people flying off at each other like has been happening over the past couple of days. First of all my heart goes out to MG (one of the very first people from the list I met in person) and her family and I pray for her recovery and in light of the seriousness of her illness I believe that anything is possible and I also believe in miracles. MG was very warm and friendly to me when I went to see Joni on the Dylan tour in San Jose (even thought she was very late getting to the restaurant {she must be part Latino, but I digress} but Julius kept us all entertained till she got there. I think there is also photographic evidence of her sleeping thru my second year at Jonifest at Ashara's place! Second of all I don't for a minute believe that Jim meant anything negative towards Ashara or Mags or anyone else for that matter. I have known Jim for a long time and roomed with him at Ashara's at my very first fest. He was a guest in my home during Pazfest and has always been friendly, helpful, thoughtful, loving, and supportive to all good cause on this list. He is however human and a little nutty (like MOST of you I mean do I have to mention names GISELE???? MURPHY??? MULLER {now there's a freak!!}????? PAZ?????? Julius????? Ok nuff said). I have posted things on this list that I regret hurt peoples feelings, but that was not my intention. I don't think it was Jim's intention to hurt anyone either. I do feel like he tried (albeit failed) to raise a point that was not adequately expressed (which is sometimes very hard to do in this forum). Ashara you take so much of the weight on your shoulders always and you have a never ending heart that reaches out and hugs you and fills you up like no other love out there. I am no legal or business expert, but also wonder what the benefits of running this effort thru the LLC are? The thought did cross my mind. I run a charitable foundation that is a 501 ) 3 status organization that allows me to accept contributions from people for our causes. It affords people the opportunity to make contributions and claim them on their taxes legally. I have to check with my attorney and accountant but I believe that if my board of directors voted on it, I could offer the services of the foundation out to help you (MG and the JMDL) in anyway I could. I also thought that banks in the area where MG lives might offer services that could benefit everyone as well. This is NOT to discount anything that you are doing, but to offer up more help and ideas as part of the vast community that we share. Perhaps some folk did not express this, but meant something along those lines. No matter what, I applaud this community for their ongoing support for us all and am humbled by the love and caring that come out of this internet community (second to none in the universe). I hope and pray that everyone can get beyond this non-issue and get to the important matters at hand. Please excuse my intrusion but I felt that I had to say my piece. My prayers go out to my pal MG and her family as well as to ALL of my JMDL brothers and sisters (yes even you Murphy, but no the corner is out of the question. Love Paz > Hi all!! > > I don't know what was in Jim's mind...but perhaps he like most people are > into numbers. People most always at the end of the day want to know what > the Dow closed at...where are stocks finished....what the lottery numbers > were, etc. I am curious what a charitable orginization > raised...especailly if I have given to it. I have wondered how much Ashara > has collected for the scholarship fund. NOT because I distrust her...not > at all...I'm just curious...and also it would be a feel- good -thing to > know. At the end of the day though..it is she who gives of her > time....(isn't that one of the greatest gifts.. giving of one's time??!! > IT's easy to write a check) countless hours she has spent on the > fest...video's ..you name it. So she can decide to run her LLC anyway she > seems fit..and if I don't like it I can choose to give or not to give. > > MG...you are in my thoughts and prayers....this is a very hard thing to go > through. For anyone on the list who has had cancer....AND TO BE TOLD THAT > YOU HAVE CANCER.....IT SUCH A SCARY THING. I know some of what she is > going through. > > I'm sorry....so very sorry... > > praying for a miracle for you....I believe in miracles... > > > the best to everyone..... > > Love ... > > Bree > I did not take Jim's comments to be questioning Ashara's trustworthiness or appropriateness. I believe his remarks were meant to simply raise these p r o c e s s kinds of questions: 1. Can we, as donors to this organization/ fund, be informed as to how much money is raised? 2. Can a report be made as to how the money is allocated? Perhaps this is somewhat of a sensitive issue (and maybe at times personal) to those receiving the scholarships and donations. 3. We find out how much money is raised on the raffle. . . can we also get information on how much is raised in private donations? 4. Is it right to know how much was raised to help another list member in need? Is this too sensitive? (Perhaps it doesn't have to be outwardly posted to the list, instead maybe one can receive a report if requested.) We are not a co-op, right? 5. How do we keep things simple enough for Ashara and at the same time provide information for donors? 6. Scholarships are based on need. When we give money to the fund, who is making the decisions as to how it is allocated? Perhaps it is just Ashara and anyone who she consults with. . . and perhaps this is okay. . . Or, perhaps some prefer a different process. . . AND, if they don't prefer the present process they elect not to donate. 7. Is it possible to get a G E N E R A L sense of some of the scholarship allocations? For *example* : 3 scholarships of $300.00 each were given to jonifest participants from across the sea. 6 scholarships of 100.00 each were given to jonifest participants from North America. Would the thought of one more thing for Ashara to do, send her over the edge? So if we, as a group, decide that we want communicate accounting information to members then perhaps this could be a small task for someone to volunteer for. Perhaps we could have a bit of an annual report. I personally beleive it is a good thing to share the donation information. It is informative, and useful. We are in this together. It is a good thing to ask these questions. It doesn't mean there is any mistrust of the queen. (not refering to the Q of Q) How much does it cost annually to keep the JMDL in operation? I am curious. How much does it cost to run Joni Mitchell.com? I am also curious as to how much money was raised for the scholarship fund this year. I personally don't feel we need to know WHO gave how much. . . Some orgainizations post this information.. . if the individual donors wanted this it would be okay. . . We do not *have* to be informed of these things. . . it is not owed to us. . . but I think it is good practice. Jim brings us the idea of "broad based decision making." It is interesting, in light of our discussion of socialism and cooperatives. . etc. I am all f o r broad based decision making. . or at least a small committee that is entrusted to make some decisions. . . but NOT if this sounds too complex and makes Ashara want to throw in the towel. I did not read in Jim's comments anything that made me think he was questioning Ashara's "appropriateness." Instead, I took it as a process comment. LO VE Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:05:33 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: njc Cindi Lauper - At Last I'll take a relatively unknown singer's cause in bringing her to the attention of fans of the song "At Last". Her name is Tina Moore and ahe is an r&b singer and she just blew me away with her version. I heard of the versions of Etta James, Phoebe Snow and Diane Schuur but somehow Tina Moore's just did it for me. I would love to hear Cyndi Lauper's version, though. I love this woman. Bob, I have another version of "Twisted" for you -- Toni Janotta. She is a jazz singer and you will love her version. Will send it to you as soon as this term is over (which is like less than two weeks from now). Joe in cold Chapel Hill (but thankful that snow did not come ...yet) Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > ***But there is one version of "At Last" that for me and in my > opinion > matches, challenges and maybe even surpasses Ettas version .... and > that is - > Phoebe Snow's.*** > > I've said it before so you know that I agree with you on that call, > Susan...The Phoebster TEARS IT UP on that recording, that whole CD is > a keeper imo. > > Eva Cassidy also does a nice but far tamer take on "At Last". > > Bob > > NP: Blue by ?, UK Joni bday gig > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:18:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Cyndi Lauper - At Last ***Bob, I have another version of "Twisted" for you -- Toni Janotta. She is a jazz singer and you will love her version. Will send it to you as soon as this term is over (which is like less than two weeks from now).*** Thanks Joseph, but Toni's version was on last month's volume #46...deleting my posts again, Joseph? ;~) You were right, I did like it a bunch, it contains some nice solos and her voice has a uniques quality to it. Bob NP: Stryngs, "Convince" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:11:09 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 9 On December 9 the following articles were published: 1975: "Smug Joni, Upbeat Neil sing of Californias People" - Detroit News (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=992 1975: "Dylan Returns to Garden With Rolling Thunder Revue" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=831 1995: "Billboard honors Joni Mitchell with its highest accolade" - Billboard (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=56 1995: "Joni Mitchell - A Portrait of the Artist" - Billboard (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=49 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:11:09 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 9 1966: Joni performs at the Folk Cellar III in Port Huron, Michigan. This was one of her first appearances alone without Chuck Mitchell. Click the link for a copy of the ad that ran in the 'Port Huron Times-Herald' that week. More info: http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/images/0005.JPG - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #609 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)