From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #607 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 607 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: One degree of separation ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: bye bye Bush, NJC [Emiliano ] No Idea! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! [Catherine McKay ] Re: No Idea! (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Subject: RE: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedi] RE: America the beautiful njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: America the beautiful njc (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Martha Wainwright NJC ["michael o'malley" ] Lou Reed NJC [Emiliano ] Re: No Idea! (NJC) ["gene mock" ] Conservatives/liberals [PassScribe@aol.com] Please stop co-mingling funds, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds [AsharaProducLLC@ao] Re: Fwd: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds [Catherine McKay ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds [Janet Hess Subject: RE: One degree of separation ok let's see: > > 1. Blue - Joni Mitchell well, it's a joni michell album > 2. Car Wheels on a Gravel Road - Lucinda Williams williams rercorded a song called "blue". i don't know if it's joni's blue though. > 3. The Essential Leonard Cohen cohen dated joni? > 4. Alice's Restaurant - Arlo Guthrie the movie of the same title featured "songs to aging children come" > 5. The Very Best of Judy Collins contains both sides now boy, i suck at the degree game wally > > Any one care to play "one degree of separation" from Joni with this list? > > Les > > NP: John Zorn "Cobra" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:24:09 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! (for AOL users) Wally says: > evian, your post would make me roll if it weren't so sad! i did shriek once or twice, though. last time i was in states (last feb/march), i felt like a foreigner for the first time in my life. the persistent questions at the airport, the security guards at barnes and noble following me everywhere i went, they way they freaked out when i accidentally dropped a huge picture dictionary, people staring at me on the subway (i look so distinctly middle-eastern/mediterranean/undesirable/unamerican/etc), the constant probing into what side i was on, the sign at the deli on boylston street apologizing for selling french foi gras, people pouring french champagne down their toilets. i felt so alien and uncomfortable. hanging out with bob murphy and meeting ashara, chuck, anne, jody and the rest of the gang were the only times i didn't feel tense and paranoid. and this was boston, a relatively cosmopolitan place. i can't imagine what it would've been like if i had been, well, somewhere else in the us. i miss the states i used to know. i love going to the us for the three s's: shopping, snow and sex. fortunately, it snowed a lot. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:25:21 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: One degree of separation (for AOL users) Wally says: > ok let's see: > > > > > 1. Blue - Joni Mitchell > well, it's a joni michell album > > > 2. Car Wheels on a Gravel Road - Lucinda Williams williams rercorded a song called "blue". i don't know if it's joni's blue though. > > > 3. The Essential Leonard Cohen > cohen dated joni? > > > 4. Alice's Restaurant - Arlo Guthrie the movie of the same title featured "songs to aging children come" > > > 5. The Very Best of Judy Collins > contains both sides now > > boy, i suck at the degree game > wally > > > > > Any one care to play "one degree of separation" from Joni with this list? > > > > Les > > > > NP: John Zorn "Cobra" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:15:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: America the beautiful njc Evian & wally, thank you for your stories...it makes me so sad to hear how scared foreigners feel here... I believe the real patriots are the ones who are speaking up against the powers that be who are destroying so much of what is good in our country...i like what steve earle said about being 'urgently' american... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:40:54 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: bye bye Bush, NJC Hi, Laura! I fear I didn't express myself clearly: I didn't send my post to the JMDL, only to the JMDLPC, but since it appeared, edited, here: that's what I think about this matter. Love & Peace! - -------------------------- Surely the big one that happened in your country around Clinton's dispatchm(sp?) was a Show! A huge, overinflated, cynical & bigot one! (please accept this from the Torquemada's country) One of these media//FinalLeague//Hollywood'ers, but this time a real attack! Yes: Bill Clinton was failing so many promises... reformations towards one better accuracy were being stopped one by one, against bureaucracy. But the public attention (!!!Thank Heaven we live in Democracies!!!) were, through the entire Globe, dedicated to determine if The President had lied to The People, about these close & intimate encounters in The White House - CasaBlanca. I think: aren't Lies, Lies, Lies what presidents tell oh so many times? It has been said here, it will be more'n more, History will tell, but I do not see this huge attention aimed towards a public process, a necessary justification/ confession at less, to the reasons & testimonies this absolutely joking (but gloomy this time) Las Azores Trio!!!! yours SSS: Emiliano NP: Apple Cider Reconstitution/The Dark and Rolling Sea, Al Stewart, Seattle 9 Dec '93 PS: It's Constitution Day, here in Spain! (only 25 years old, our Carta Magna). ----- Mensaje original ----- De: LCStanley7@aol.com Para: emilianopd@mundo-r.com CC: joni@smoe.org Enviado: sabado, 06 de diciembre de 2003 3:34 Asunto: Re: bye bye Bush, NJC Emiliano wrote: Hi, there! Surely the big one that happened in your country around Clinton's dispatchm(sp?) was a Show! Hi Emiliano, Bill Clinton, his very good looking self, is all about show. I have just loved to watch him on TV over the years. He has been even more intriguing to watch in real life here in Arkansas. When his eyes met mine for the first time... I melted. He attracts people like a moth to a flame! When I heard through the grape vine here in Arkansas that he was going to run for president... I knew he would win. I was disappointed that he didn't host the talk show that was in the makings at one time. I would have definitely watched that! Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:03:26 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: No Idea! (NJC) I had no idea that Donald Rumsfeld was a poet until I saw some footage last night on a UK TV Show ('Have I Got News For you') of him reciting what to Americans is probably one of his most famous works - 'The Unknown' - -Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know. I found a selection of his 'Collected Works' at http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/#ContinueArticle My personal faves - (I can really relate to the first of these!!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 'A Confession' - -May 16, 2001, interview with the New York Times Once in a while, I'm standing here, doing something. And I think, "What in the world am I doing here?" It's a big surprise. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and the first verse (haiku?) of his poem 'The Digital Revolution' - -June 9, 2001, following European trip "Oh my goodness gracious, What you can buy off the Internet In terms of overhead photography!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and finally, his 'piece de resistance', IMHO 'Clarity' - -Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing I think what you'll find, I think what you'll find is, Whatever it is we do substantively, There will be near-perfect clarity As to what it is. And it will be known, And it will be known to the Congress, And it will be known to you, Probably before we decide it, But it will be known. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reviewing his 'Recent Works', poetry critic Hart Seely writes: "Rumsfeld's poetry is paradoxical: It uses playful language to address the most somber subjects: war, terrorism, mortality. Much of it is about indirection and evasion: He never faces his subjects head on but weaves away, letting inversions and repetitions confuse and beguile. His work, with its dedication to the fractured rhythms of the plainspoken vernacular, is reminiscent of William Carlos Williams'. Some readers may find that Rumsfeld's gift for offhand, quotidian pronouncements is as entrancing as Frank O'Hara's." PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! --- Rob & Tracy wrote: > I love you, Lori! This is the first post I have > read on the subject, so I > might have missed the larger thread in previous > digests. You know, I don't > want to upset the flagsters on the list, but to be > honest, and remember, this > is just my little old Canadian opinion here, the > bombardment of flags > everywhere in the states just completely freaks me > out. > I mean, I think we abolished > singing the national anthem > in my grade school every morning before we abolished > morning prayers. I do > not need to tie my nationality into everything I do, > or be constantly reminded > of it by the symbol of the flag. Rob/Evian - your story is both funny and tragic. Trunny? Fragic? I understand the paranoia. I had nowhere near that experience when I crossed the border into the USA for this summer's Jonifest, but the border guard was pretty scary and way too serious for my liking and, being paranoid to begin with, I started to get all these weird feelings that I would be hauled out of the car and dragged off to Guantanamo Bay or something, never to be seen or heard from again. Like you, I had a feeling I just wanted to turn around and head home, but that would have been giving up. I think it's great to love your country (if you don't love it, why would you stay there? oh yeah, because crossing borders is such a pain in the ass!) I don't know about your neck of the woods, but they still do "Oh Canada" in both my kids' schools - however, they don't sing it, they just listen to a recording of it over the PA system each morning and they're supposed to stay still while doing so. (One of my daughter's teachers stands at the open door of his classroom and gives hell to any kid that's tearing down the hall trying to get to class on time while the anthem is playing, LOL.) But yeah, we don't have that hand-over-heart thing or any pledge of allegiance and I don't know about you, but I'm not even sure what the words to "Oh Canada" are these days because they keep changing them ever so slightly so, when in doubt, I just throw in another "stand on guard for thee" or "hrrrmm, hrrrm, hrrmm" and that seems to work. The strange thing is, I've rarely met an American I don't like - but I don't like to discuss politics with them! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: America the beautiful njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Evian & wally, thank you for your stories...it makes > me so sad to hear > how scared foreigners feel here... I believe the > real patriots are the > ones who are speaking up against the powers that be > who are destroying > so much of what is good in our country...i like what > steve earle said > about being 'urgently' american... Kate, thanks for saying that. Given that "free speech" seems to be held in such high regard in the USA, it's ironic that it doesn't seem to include disagreeing with government policies, and that's what free speech is all about, isn't it? It's a shame. It's a beautiful country with so many wonderful people, esp. the ones here on the jmdl :-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:19:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: No Idea! (NJC) --- Paul Castle wrote: > I had no idea that Donald Rumsfeld was a poet > until I saw some footage last night on a UK TV > Show ('Have I Got News For you') of him reciting > what to Americans is probably one of his most > famous works - > > 'The Unknown' > -Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing > > As we know, > There are known knowns. > There are things we know we know. > We also know > There are known unknowns. > That is to say > We know there are some things > We do not know. > But there are also unknown unknowns, > The ones we don't know > We don't know. > > I found a selection of his 'Collected Works' at > http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/#ContinueArticle > > My personal faves - (I can really relate to the > first > of these!!) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 'A Confession' > -May 16, 2001, interview with the New York Times > > Once in a while, > I'm standing here, doing something. > And I think, > "What in the world am I doing here?" > It's a big surprise. > Thanks, Paul. I've seen some of these before but I still LMAO. He's a poet, but he don't know it! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:17:27 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: RE: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! Wally, I'm sorry that my country was so un-welcoming. I apologize for the USA. Now that we've extracted some simple revenge for 9/11 (albeit from the wrong people- DETAILS!) and nationalized our oil supply, things will get back to normal. All the best, Lama Wally wrote, >>last time i was in states (last feb/march), i felt like a foreigner for the first time in my life. the persistent questions at the airport, the security guards at barnes and noble following me everywhere i went >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:08:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: America the beautiful njc the us is indeed beautiful. it is amazing: there are no ugly countries, even argentina is beautiful despite all its corruption and violence and paradoxes. it is some of the people and their regimes that may make a country feel unwelcoming or hostile. countries are abstractions. i understand them as i understand geometry or theories but i don't dwell ON them all the time. as soon as i set foot in a country i look to the people, what they do and how they do it, how they sound, how i can interact with them. i guess the concept of "country" is necessary for practical reasons, just as one needs fences or soundproof walls if one listens to opera at full blast at 3 am. but i like to be "out there" all the time. i was born with the sun in 9th house, the house of foreign lands. i never feel more at home than when i'm NOT home. i remember a song i wrote 28 years ago. "a seal in my soul says that i'm always leaving so i'll write a song about myself the next time you hear my voice i'll be speaking to someone else" yesterday i read that there were 8 inches of snow in central park. last night i dreamed i was in new york, walking uptown on broadway all the way from 14th street to columbus circle. i entered the park and i saw and smelled the snow. i could so vividly smell the north wind and more snow coming in the next hours. when i woke up i didn't quite know where i was. i got up and turned on the cd player and put on in the bleak midwinter. earth stood hard as iron, water like a stone. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 00:16:56 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: America the beautiful njc (for AOL users) Wally says: the us is indeed beautiful. it is amazing: there are no ugly countries, even argentina is beautiful despite all its corruption and violence and paradoxes. it is some of the people and their regimes that may make a country feel unwelcoming or hostile. countries are abstractions. i understand them as i understand geometry or theories but i don't dwell ON them all the time. as soon as i set foot in a country i look to the people, what they do and how they do it, how they sound, how i can interact with them. i guess the concept of "country" is necessary for practical reasons, just as one needs fences or soundproof walls if one listens to opera at full blast at 3 am. but i like to be "out there" all the time. i was born with the sun in 9th house, the house of foreign lands. i never feel more at home than when i'm NOT home. i remember a song i wrote 28 years ago. > > "a seal in my soul > says that i'm always leaving > so i'll write a song about myself > the next time you hear my voice > i'll be speaking > to someone else" > yesterday i read that there were 8 inches of snow in central park. last night i dreamed i was in new york, walking uptown on broadway all the way from 14th street to columbus circle. i entered the park and i saw and smelled the snow. i could so vividly smell the north wind and more snow coming in the next hours. when i woke up i didn't quite know where i was. i got up and turned on the cd player and put on in the bleak midwinter. earth stood hard as iron, water like a stone. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:08:49 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: [acousticharmonies] What is/was the 1st CD in your player this morning........ Hi, people! In labour days I can't afford music till reach the car (that with its old cassette player). This Saturday is/was Constitution Day here in Espaqa, blue and sunny sky in this bleak winter: Night Ride Home, from Joni Mitchell. This blonde queen sure knows how to make up my days! (Most days, first morning music here, in our house, is from Joni Mitchell!. Ah, yeah, I've got a personal made cd from Roy Orbison + John Lennon that plays many: after all, that's *mzsica clasica* to me! with Heart and Humour & Humility: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: ***THE AMAZING MARY GRACE (MGVal) FUND *** A CALL TO THE JONI COMMUNITY *** I am sending this to the Joni onlies too, and as you read on, you will understand why it is necessary to reach as many of you in our community as possible. MG has been an active member of our Joni family since before the first Fest at Julie's in April of 1998. Mary Grace is a kind and compassionate 'woman of heart and mind'. MG's posts are intelligent, insightful and filled with her wonderful sense of humour. Many of us have grown to know and love her for the remarkable woman she is. As many of you know, our dear sister and friend is facing a serious illness and needs our support, love, thoughts and prayers. We would like to take this a step further and begin, now, to raise money to help Mary Grace, her children, and her new husband Jeff, to offset any costs that they may be facing. You can help make this wonderful act of kindness and compassion a reality by either sending a cheque or utilizing paypal via the AsharaProductions, LLC account. The information you need to do so is as follows: all cheques are to be made payable to: AsharaProductions, LLC please be sure to indicate on the cheque memo that the money you are sending is meant for the Mary Grace (MG) fund. (very important) please include your name, email address, snail mail address for acknowledgment purposes. please mail your cheque to : Ashara Stansfield 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA the AsharaProductions, LLC paypal account may be accessed here: ASHARAPRODUCLLC@AOL.COM our most heartfelt thanks for anything you can do to help make this happen. Mags and Brian ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:39:54 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc Cindi Lauper I have always like Cindi Lauper and she did a great version of Carey at the tribute - so it was great total nonanticipation but pure impulse buy when I picked up her new album today - track 2 was a wonderful version of Walk on by and then - track 3 - Stay - a song I think is perhaps the finest rock and roll song ever - a song that I thought was impossible to screw up - and all I can say is that is the most arrangement I have ever heard of any song ewer let alone the worst arrangement of Stay and I am going out drinking tonight (and I don't drink) to try and get that sound out of my head. Someday I hope to have the courage to start with track 4 and listen to the rest of the album Vince NowNotPlaying Cindi's Stay (Joseph - I will try and call tomorrow) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:56:17 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Martha Wainwright NJC Hi everyone, I dont get the full digest so I don't know if Martha has been discussed in this list. I recently saw her with Rufus and company at their Quebec City gig. Mom Kate was on hand to accompany each of them on the piano for one song, that was a treat. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Rufus - he has always struck me as being a bit of a brat, albeit a talented one. I have to say though, in his defense, he is a charming and generous performer. He chatted extensively with the audience in his horrible French, which of course endeared him to them even more. and he delivered the musical goods with applomb. However, for me, the star of the show was his sister, Martha, who opened for him on solo guitar. This young lady has an amazing voice - touches of Mary Margaret O'Hara (another unsung Canadian great) - great fire in her belly - and most of all - dramatic stage presence. Martha is very much the actress and seems to be able to bring her emotions to the fore when she performs. Wow - this one is a knockout. I could have easily spent the entire evening listening and watching her. For those of you in New York City, appararently she performs often at that most unhip of sleazy dives, the Nightengale Bar (2nd Ave. & 13th St. in Manhattan) Monday nights at 10pm . Martha has a demo out and a fan site on the net as well. Catch a rising star. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:09:49 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Lou Reed NJC Hi, Bob! Yes, you're right, I don't understand the silence about Lou Reed here, maybe it's too electric & tormented, too New York one to this list, but I'm with you: it's One of the greatest. I don't listen everyday his music, but I dig it a lot: it's my Leonard Cohen in heavy! I alway use to say Rock'n Roll Animal really changed my life: I was a repellent, 13years good old boy, at that moment. Behave! and Smile A Lot! Emiliano PS: NP: Set The Twilight Reeling, LR, Chicago 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:53:08 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: No Idea! (NJC) don't sell rumsfeld short-------he's stupid like a fox. you can see it in his eyes and facial expressions, he's a predator. plenty dangerous. the sooner he's gone the safer i'll feel. happy holidays. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Castle" To: "jmdl" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: No Idea! (NJC) > I had no idea that Donald Rumsfeld was a poet > until I saw some footage last night on a UK TV > Show ('Have I Got News For you') of him reciting > what to Americans is probably one of his most > famous works - > > 'The Unknown' > -Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing > > As we know, > There are known knowns. > There are things we know we know. > We also know > There are known unknowns. > That is to say > We know there are some things > We do not know. > But there are also unknown unknowns, > The ones we don't know > We don't know. > > I found a selection of his 'Collected Works' at > http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/#ContinueArticle > > My personal faves - (I can really relate to the first > of these!!) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 'A Confession' > -May 16, 2001, interview with the New York Times > > Once in a while, > I'm standing here, doing something. > And I think, > "What in the world am I doing here?" > It's a big surprise. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > and the first verse (haiku?) of his poem > 'The Digital Revolution' > -June 9, 2001, following European trip > > "Oh my goodness gracious, > What you can buy off the Internet > In terms of overhead photography!" > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > and finally, his 'piece de resistance', IMHO > > 'Clarity' > -Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing > > I think what you'll find, > I think what you'll find is, > Whatever it is we do substantively, > There will be near-perfect clarity > As to what it is. > > And it will be known, > And it will be known to the Congress, > And it will be known to you, > Probably before we decide it, > But it will be known. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Reviewing his 'Recent Works', poetry critic > Hart Seely writes: > > "Rumsfeld's poetry is paradoxical: It uses playful > language to address the most somber subjects: war, > terrorism, mortality. Much of it is about indirection and > evasion: He never faces his subjects head on but > weaves away, letting inversions and repetitions confuse > and beguile. His work, with its dedication to the fractured > rhythms of the plainspoken vernacular, is reminiscent of > William Carlos Williams'. Some readers may find that > Rumsfeld's gift for offhand, quotidian pronouncements > is as entrancing as Frank O'Hara's." > > PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:40:56 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Conservatives/liberals In a message dated 12/6/03 3:04:39 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu >Reply-To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu >To: jon i >Subject: limbaugh >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:49:19 -0500 (EST) > >All this talk about Limbaugh in the media and his replies reminds me of >definitions: > >Conservative: A liberal who has been robbed. > >Liberal: A conservative who has been indicted. > >Jerry ;-) I wish EVERYONE was a liberal... >> Uhhhh... judging by the above definition, I'm beginning to think everyone IS a liberal. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:56:39 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Please stop co-mingling funds, njc Uhmm. I love Mary Grace and she knows it. It seriously hurts to learn that we're losing her. My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. I love MG but it doesn't cloud my perspective that we've already slipped on a steep slope. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Fwd: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds I didnt realize that this message of Jim's was sent to the big list too, and I feel it is of utmost importance to fill you all in on how we arrived at the decision to use the LLC account so that we could facilitate and expediate the sending of funds to MG, the kids and Jeff. As an act of love and kindness and concern. MG , I apologize to you sincerely that this has escalated to this level. This was never my intention. Please know that our hearts are in the right place. love, Mags. magsnbrei wrote: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds, njc To: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" , northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com Lama, This is about helping Mary Grace and her family and nothing more. It is not about you or me or Brian or Ashara or anyone else, but Mary Grace when it comes down to it. I dont even know how to begin to respond to this mail of yours, but Im sure going to try. I cannot let this one go. and since you didnt go private, neither will I. Here's the deal. Brian and I spent a considerable amount of time working with our bank manager this week to explore opening an account which would facilitate collecting funds for Mary Grace and her children, two of which are under 14 years of age. It was becoming very complicated and there are many many legal implications and ramifications with merely opening up an account to do this. Ashara and I had a discussion about this issue and she offered the use of the LLC which is already set up . I am doing so because I trust Ashara with my life. and with the life of my loved ones, which includes Mary Grace. Im sure you get the picture by now. I sure as hell hope so. It was meant to make this easier to HELP Mary Grace for God's sake. I dont know if she has this list or not, so Im really going to have to hold back on what I'd like to say to you. Most of all, I am shocked that you would even speak to this issue in this manner.in a public space. If you have a problem with this or with the LLC or how Joni Fest is handled , then perhaps you need to have a serious conversation with Ashara, in private , where such thoughts belong. and conversations belong. a very pissed off Mags "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: Uhmm. I love Mary Grace and she knows it. It seriously hurts to learn that we're losing her. My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. I love MG but it doesn't cloud my perspective that we've already slipped on a steep slope. All the best, Lama ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:36:41 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:59:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. Jim, This is not the first time you have questioned my appropriateness with either the LLC or with money received from members of the JMDL. FACTS: 1) The Limited Liability Corporation under the name Ashara Productions, LLC was set up specifically to legally protect me, personally, while doing business as the Jonifest coordinator. The considerable funds that it took to set up this corporation came from my personal checkbook. It is a private corporation, and once set up, allows me, if I so desire, to conduct other business through this corporation. 2) Not only do I (still) spend countless hours making Jonifest happen for all of you, I have never in the 7 years I have been involved in Jonifest, nor do I ever intend to in the future, made a single cent on this endeavor. In reality, Jonifest has always cost me (by my own free will) several hundred dollars every year. For the first 3 years, when Jonifest was held at my house, I spent a lot of money to make it happen over and beyond what I asked from all of you for food. Once it moved to Full Moon, and I then did not have *personal* expenses related to Jonifest, I spent hundreds of dollars of my own money helping others get to Jonifest by way of scholarship. In addition, even though I sign the Jonifest contract under the LLC, it is *still* under my name, and *I* am responsible for coming up with any money under the promised amount to Full Moon. 3) I will repeat, the corporation is a PRIVATE endeavor. I do not owe you or anyone else the right to look at my personal corporation books. If you think I am misappropriating funds, and do not trust me to make Jonifest happen for the least possible amount of money, then don't come, pure and simple. 4) I offered to allow Mags and Brian to *use* the LLC to let money come in and go out to MG to help her in whatever way we can. This simplified an otherwise difficult process that they were having with their bank in setting up an account that would not make them *personally* liable in any way. I am APPALLED that you took this as misappropriating funds. I will end by saying that you, Jim, are WAY out of line with this, and to use an effort to help MG, a valued member of this community, as a platform for your issues is beyond reproach. Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:00:08 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Please stop co-mingling funds Jim, Exactly what are you getting at here? In the best of times I usually skip over your posts because they make little sense to me, but you have really confused me with this one. To me, Mags has made it pretty clear that she is using Ashara's LLC corp. as a vehicle to receive money in honour of Mary Grace, and only because of the difficulties in setting up a normal bank account, and with Ashara's blessings and kind offer in order to make it all easier. That you would question ANYONE'S integrity regarding a life and death situation on this very public list, and one you know MG subscribes to, is incredible. And to even slightly hint that Ashara would innapropriately mishandle any funds, is truly beyond belief. What do you think? Ashara is going to take a few dollars from someone's donation to a scholarship fund to send to MG's child? Give your head a shake, Jim, re-read the original post, and show some respect for people in need and those who are truly trying to help from a hearfelt place. Stephen from Vancouver PS Ashara legally is not required to report to you, the list, or anyone, as to what she does with her account. > "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Uhmm. I love Mary Grace and she knows it. It seriously hurts to learn that > we're losing her. > > My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we even consider aggregating > funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and scholarships to > JoniFest? Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. There's never > been reporting from the LLC to the community at large. There's certainly no > broad-based decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL general fund. > > I love MG but it doesn't cloud my perspective that we've already slipped on > a steep slope. > > All the best, > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:05:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds > In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:59:32 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > My problem is with the fundraising. Why would we > even consider aggregating > funds for MG's kids with non-refundable deposits and > scholarships to JoniFest? > Here in the US we are keen on checks and balances. > There's never been > reporting from the LLC to the community at large. > There's certainly no broad-based > decision making, yet it's becoming a de facto JMDL > general fund. > Jim, --- AsharaProducLLC@aol.com wrote: > This is not the first time you have questioned my > appropriateness with either > the LLC or with money received from members of the > JMDL. ... > 4) I offered to allow Mags and Brian to *use* the > LLC to let money come in > and go out to MG to help her in whatever way we can. > This simplified an > otherwise difficult process that they were having > with their bank in setting up an > account that would not make them *personally* liable > in any way. I am APPALLED > that you took this as misappropriating funds. > > I will end by saying that you, Jim, are WAY out of > line with this, and to use > an effort to help MG, a valued member of this > community, as a platform for > your issues is beyond reproach. Jim, if you have a problem trusting Ashara or Mags after all this time, that's really unfortunate. Ashara puts so much time and so much of her own money into making Jonifest happen each year, and she is generous to a fault. I would trust either of these women with my life. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:24:33 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds Hey all - as a legal assistant member of the Michigan State Bar who works a lot with corporations and other legal entities and cannot give legal advice because I am not a lawyer but I can speak to what my experience is: Ashara's LLC (limited liability company) will be governed by the laws of the state in which her LLC is organized (and I guess that would be Massachusetts) but the LLC is a private company (corporation) set up for many necessary legal protection reasons. Ashara would be a fool (let alone br placing herself and family in financial jeopardy) to do anything with JoniFests and inviting other people outside of her immediate family to come to one without such legal protection. No one but a member of the LLC has a right to see the books. The clients of the law firm I work for don't get to see our office financial records just because they are clients. Ashara can do what she wants to with any proceeds the LLC brings in, subject to the bylaws of the LLC (and the state). If Ashara wanted to buy big blue balloons and fill her house with them with all receipts of the LLC, she is free to do so. Ashara has publicly stated that she forwards the money for certain purposes. The purposes she states continue to operate. Given the public statements she has made about where the money goes to, someone could easily say "Ashara's LLC has never given us a cent." That has never happened. I am a bit astounded this is at all an issue. Vince AsharaProducLLC@aol.com wrote: > >3) I will repeat, the corporation is a PRIVATE endeavor. I do not owe you or >anyone else the right to look at my personal corporation books. If you think I >am misappropriating funds, and do not trust me to make Jonifest happen for >the least possible amount of money, then don't come, pure and simple. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:41:20 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Peter Gabriel "Hit & Miss" Peter Gabriel has always been a favorite of mine ever since the days of seeing Genesis at the Bowl years ago (70's). I enjoyed when he sang with Joni on "Secret Place". Two very gifted artist. I like the correlation between their retrospective CD's. He packaged his together and just labeled them different. Good stuff both need to be on the shelf. Peace, Craig NP: Jars of Clay - Jealous Kind ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:59:16 -0700 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Please stop co-mingling funds Actually, I wasn't going to mention this, but... for years now, Ashara has pretended to stage annual Jonifest events as a ruse to raise money that she siphons off to buy truckloads of Fishy treats for a certain kitty we know. The devil made her do it. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who thinks the devil has always received entirely too much bad press ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:59:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 7 1975: The Rolling Thunder Review, including Joni, performed at the Correctional Institution for Women at Clinton, New Jersey. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=299 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:59:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 7 On December 7 the following article was published: 1974: "...and now it's Our Lady of Optimism" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=452 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #607 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)