From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #600 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 600 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: political Joni [FredNow@aol.com] Socialsim njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: andrea photo (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni 1,2 and 3 [DOVETUSAI/ Fabio e Luigi ] 'Love Actually' video clip online ["Paul Castle" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #598 [Catherine Finn ] political joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: female country singers, njc ["ron" ] Re: Poll results -warning: this email may put you to sleep - Now NJC ["ro] Re: Pulp and the Teletubbies - together at last! njc ["ron" ] Re: It's thursday NJC ["ron" ] Re: In defense of Last Chance Lost ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: It's thursday NJC ["Garret" ] Re: Socialsim njc ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) Federation of Egalitarian Communities ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) Free Trade ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Socialsim njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: It's thursday NJC ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: It's thursday NJC ["Garret" ] Re: (NJC) Federation of Egalitarian Communities [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: It's thursday NJC ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] RE: Dubai Bound NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Colin's recovery NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Colin's recovery NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Mary Grace NJC [tantra-apso ] new glen campbell tunes [Brei Gross ] Socialism (is God's way) njc ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: Socialsim njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: It's thursday NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Socialsim njc [vince ] Re: Socialism (is God's way) njc ["kakki" ] It's dusty gentry saturday last NJC [vince ] Re: Socialism (is God's way) njc [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:53:33 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: political Joni "Sara *" writes: > "Sara *" > Subject: political Joni > > Hi everyone~ I'm a college student, and I'm doing a paper on Joni for > my politics, persuasion, and protest class. I need to pick a couple Joni > songs that have political content to analyze in the paper, but I'm having > a hard time deciding which ones to pick b/c there are just so many! If > anyone would like to share which Joni song you think is the most enticing > politically and why, I would really love the input! Thanks > a bunch!~Sara~ I would agree with those who suggested The Fiddle and the Drum. I think it's Joni's greatest achievement of musical political statement, one in which the art of its music equals the art of its message. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:07:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Socialsim njc >I guess what I always scratch my head at about socialism is that there seems to be no recognition by pro-socialists that their programs are being funded by capitalists, whose earnings or profits are taxes to provide for welfare and social programs.< I don't see socialism as being funded by capitalism....I lived in a microcosm of socialism for several years...it was not a country & it was not perfect but it was a pretty successful model for awhile...some managed to have more than others but not in any significant way...some worked harder than others but not in any significant way...of course we were young & material things were just not that important at that time...we had plenty though...everyone had clothes, food, medical care, a roof & some of the most beautiful land to live on...the things that corrupted the system had less to do with the socialist construct than with individuals desiring power over others (a common human trait I'd say).... >I'm not sure what socialists quite believe - something like everyone should have the same money and goods as everyone else, regardless of effort or merit so everything is fair.< I am sure most of us would agree that affordable, equatible, guaranteed medical care would be a good thing (don't know if the doctors would agree or the insurance companies)...another somewhat socialist idea (imo) is california's community college system...it pretty much is open to anyone regardless of how much money they have...people can make of it what they choose... So to me socialism is about giving some basic needs to everyone regardless of how much money they have...some things should not be about how much money you have... I am not a fan of pure capitalism or pure socialism...some combination of the two would be my vision of a healthy society... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:12:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: andrea photo (NJC) >Kate, I think you may be right. The reason I'm not sure is that the picture was taken over 30 years ago, probably 1970-71, when Andrea and I were both in high school. (She went to the girls' catholic school and I went to the boys'.) We had friends whose parents had a house in Bayhead and we and our friends also spent time in Beach Haven. I even think I may have taken the picture.< Get out! Our house (or I should say my grandma's house) was in bayhead! The house was right on the bay & the view from there looked so much like that photo! I have such fond memories of those summers... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:28:49 -0800 From: DOVETUSAI/ Fabio e Luigi Subject: Joni 1,2 and 3 Hi everybody, Hi Bob, I'm Fabio, from Milan, Italy. My friend Vincenzo ( nasty boy!) speard out the voice about my Website ( www.dovetusai.it ) where you can see two of the flower vases that I designed called Joni 1,2 and 3. It was not my intention to let everybody know through the list.... Since this has already happened ( Vincenzo I'll make you pay ) I would like to explain how to get to see those pictures ( it seems like Bob didn't make it ). Once you have clicked on www.dovetusai.it and seen the Intro, you should click on Collection.Then click on the upper left side on Photo and start clicking on the little arrow and keep clicking untill you see... Joni 2 and 3. Hope you like them... Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:23:33 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 'Love Actually' video clip online Just found this short clip http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1808428930&intl=us Click on "Joni Mitchell" -- Karen (Emma Thompson) explains the merits of listening to Joni Mitchell songs to Harry (Alan Rickman) note - I had to drag the Yahoo Media Presentation window across to the centre of my computer screen and check my connection/ media player preferences before I could see it. Best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:28:57 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine Finn Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #598 "Also, I like the way that Joni weaves contemporary things into her songs - e.g. "white lines on the freeway", "silver power lines gleam" (I've never thought of power lines as being beautiful in any way, but this phrase makes them seem so), "could put a coin in the door of a john", "Javex bottles on the tide", "runs in her nylons", "the wires in the walls", "broadside accident", "flat tires", etc. " I also like : "and the kids got cokes and chocolate bars." And the reference to the "sign off prayer" in "You turn me on. . . " How many people under the age of 30 even know what a "sign off prayer" is? Or a "transistor". Funny. Of course, I'm preaching to the choir here, but I just love the way Joni paints a picture with words. Her songs are so very visual. (Well, she is a visual artist.) Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:40:12 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: political joni >If anyone would like to share which Joni song you think is the most >enticing politically and why, I haven't had much of a chance to write lately. . . I really appreciate this discussion. . . Actually one of the things I like most about Joni is her willingness to take a stand. . . . Joni, you have inspired me endlessly with your political comments/ expression. When your life is over (this one) and you look back on it, can you say to yourself. . ." I stood up for what I believed in. . . I was not complicit?" Joni can do that. . .and sometimes it's no easy road. Joni, You have fortitude. Thank you from deep in my heart Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:45:46 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: female country singers, njc hi >>>laurent wrote >>>>Any fans out there who can suggest more great voices? ones i havent seen mentiooned so far are mary chapin carpenter & mary gauthier ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:46:55 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Poll results -warning: this email may put you to sleep - Now NJC well you know what they say about statisticians - 30% of them ruin it for the other 90% ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:48:38 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Pulp and the Teletubbies - together at last! njc hi >>>>azeem wrote >>>> If you're not familiar with either Pulp or the Teletubbies you may as well skip this ok - teletubbie trivia time - which 80's british pop star has now risen to dizzying heights as a teletubbies voice??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:44:11 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: satisfied now, mick? -- NJC hi > Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Mick Jagger is going to be knighted by QEII on Dec. 12. mark responded> > Why? & my guesses are: its better than paying $15,000 for a star or to keep quite about that thing with charlie............ ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:58:32 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: It's thursday NJC hi >>>garret wrote > Secondly, there was a Joan Baez song on a different radio show. I reckon it would be something recent, the lyrics are somthing like "stand up woodie guthrie" and she mentions martin luther king. Can anyone help?? I really want to hear these two songs again! not sure if anyones responded to this yet?? tho ive neverf jheard joan's version - i would think it would suit her - the song itself is "Christmas In Washington" written by Steve Earle & from his "el corazon" album (its a good album too!!!) Eb It's Christmas time in Washington Ab The Democrats rehearsed Bb Getting into gear for four more years Ab Eb Things not getting worse Eb Republicans drink whiskey neat Ab And thank their lucky stars Bb Said he cannot seek another term Ab Eb They'll be no more FDRs Eb I sat home in Tennessee Ab Just Staring at the screen Bb An un-easy feeling in my chest Ab Eb And I'm wondering what it means Eb So come back Woody Guthrie Ab Come back to us now Bb Tear your eyes from paradise Ab Eb And rise again some how Eb If you run into Jesus Ab Maybe he can help you out Bb Ab Bb Eb Come back Woody Guthrie to us now instrumental Eb I Followed in your footsteps once Ab Back in my travel days Bb Somewhere I failed to find your trail Ab Eb Now I'm stumblin' through the haze But there's killers on the highway Ab And man can't get around Bb So I sold my soul for wheels that roll Ab Eb And I'm stuck here in this town Eb So come back Woody Guthrie Ab Come back to us now Bb tear your eyes from paradise Ab Eb And rise again some how Eb If you run into Jesus Ab Maybe he can help us out Bb Ab Bb Eb Come back Woody Guthrie to us now Eb There's foxes in the hen house Ab Cows out in the corn Bb The Unions have been busted Ab Eb The proud red banners torn Eb To you listen to the radio Ab You'd think it all was real Bb But you and me and Cisco know Ab Bb Eb It's going straight to hell Eb So come back Emma Goldman Ab Rise up old Joe Hill Bb The barracades are going up Ab Eb They cannot break our will Eb Come back to us Malcolm X Ab And Martin Luther King Bb We're marching into Selma Ab Bb Eb As the bells of freedom ring Eb So come back Woody Guthrie Ab Come back to us now Bb Ttear your eyes from paradise Ab Bb Eb And rise again some how From Steve Earle "El Corazon" E Squared Records 1997 South Nashville/WB Music Corp(ASCAP) ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:48:55 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: In defense of Last Chance Lost Russell, Sorry to be so late in chiminig in, but I actually love "Last Chance Lost" as well and I absolutely love how you describe the song as a "chanteuse" number. I also hear any of them throwing in a breathy sax solo much like the rendition of "Girl from Impanema". That's just me though. I like it better just the way Joni sings it. I actually love the raspiness in her voice as she sings the song. Her tones go right through me as she sings that first refrain of "Last Chance Lost..." It jumps out at you and maybe that's why someone else may not like it. It doesn't have the smoothness of perhaps "Turbulent Indigo". I like the contrast! Thanks for sharing Russell! Sherelle NP: Ce-Ce Winans and Johnny Mathis-Away in a Manger Russell wrote: "Gang, I guess I'm one of the very few who likes 'Last Chance Lost'.....and here's why.... The first time I heard this song, the first thing I thought of was what a great 'chanteuse' number this would make. I can hear Rosemary Clooney, Ella Fitzgerald, any of the current cabaret artists (Marcovicci (sp?), Weslia, Diane Krall, Azure Mc Call (Hi Bob, LG).....and as for the guys, Tony Bennett, Sinatra......get the drift? This song just proves yet again what an incredible composer Our Queen really is. This is so far away from her usual...(as if anything she does is usual) style.....A really terrific number...and I love the performance on TI. The bitterness and resignation in the lyrics and delivery go right to my heart. Just a few words in the defense of what could have been a classic jazz lieder standard if it had been written 50 years ago. She's timeless, folks! I'd like to also stick up for the Tenth World. That whole 'side' (LP-wise) Otis & Mar, 10th World and Dreamland make up a beautiful and seamless 'suite' if you will. If anything on the FABULOUS DJRD needs to go it's Talk to Me.......Sure, it's amusing, clever, etc....but it's the one I always skip. My 2 clams. Aloha from Waikiki, Russ (Coco Nutz)" _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year  six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:01:04 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Dubai Bound NJC Hey ya'll I'll be signing off far a few weeks as we are currently being evicted from our home (our crook of a landlord has defaulted on his mortgage payments and the house is being repossessed!!!! We have called him every name under the sun and have tried every possible way of getting our deposits back but to no avail). So until we have got a place to live again, I shall not sign on. Have a nice Christmas, Hannukah etc etc and watch Love Actually and listen to Joni and play Our House and think of me... homeless on the streets and not listening to Joni. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:39:32 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Dubai Bound NJC hi >>>>jamie wrote >>>>we are currently being evicted from our home (our crook of a landlord has defaulted on his mortgage payments and the house is being repossessed!!!! We have called him every name under the sun and have tried every possible way of getting our deposits back but to no avail). jamie - are you sure youre not getting screwed here? i dont know the law wherever you may be, but in terms of our law here you definitely cannot be evicted in these circumstances if you have a lease. whoever may buy the property just becomes your new landlord and assumes the lease. one of the principles here is that a lease contract is pretty much the most binding type of contract, and incredibly difficult to cancel - by either party. and the deposits - should be kept in a trust account and refunded with interest. failure to do so is a criminal offence! ron np - landscape prayers - barefeet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:40:12 +0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: It's thursday NJC Hi Ron, thanks for replying:-) that is definitely the same song that i heard on the radio, and i really like it. I'm not a Steve Earle fan, to be honest i dont think i've ever heard anything by him. That song was nice though. I am sure it was Joan Baez. Well, now i can check her albums in the shop as i know the title of the song. Thanks again. GARRET np- Patti Smith, Dream of Life "ron" wrote: > > hi > > > >>>garret wrote > > Secondly, there was a Joan Baez song on a different radio show. I reckon > it would be something recent, the lyrics are somthing like "stand up woodie > guthrie" and she mentions martin luther king. Can anyone help?? I really > want to hear these two songs again! > > not sure if anyones responded to this yet?? tho ive neverf jheard joan's > version - i would think it would suit her - the song itself is "Christmas In > Washington" written by Steve Earle & from his "el corazon" album (its a good > album too!!!) > > Eb > It's Christmas time in Washington > Ab > The Democrats rehearsed > Bb > Getting into gear for four more years > Ab Eb > Things not getting worse > Eb > Republicans drink whiskey neat > Ab > And thank their lucky stars > Bb > Said he cannot seek another term > Ab Eb > They'll be no more FDRs > Eb > I sat home in Tennessee > Ab > Just Staring at the screen > Bb > An un-easy feeling in my chest > Ab Eb > And I'm wondering what it means > Eb > So come back Woody Guthrie > Ab > Come back to us now > Bb > Tear your eyes from paradise > Ab Eb > And rise again some how > Eb > If you run into Jesus > Ab > Maybe he can help you out > Bb Ab Bb Eb > Come back Woody Guthrie to us now > > instrumental > > Eb > I Followed in your footsteps once > Ab > Back in my travel days > Bb > Somewhere I failed to find your trail > Ab Eb > Now I'm stumblin' through the haze > > But there's killers on the highway > Ab > And man can't get around > Bb > So I sold my soul for wheels that roll > Ab Eb > And I'm stuck here in this town > Eb > So come back Woody Guthrie > Ab > Come back to us now > Bb > tear your eyes from paradise > Ab Eb > And rise again some how > Eb > If you run into Jesus > Ab > Maybe he can help us out > Bb Ab Bb Eb > Come back Woody Guthrie to us now > Eb > There's foxes in the hen house > Ab > Cows out in the corn > Bb > The Unions have been busted > Ab Eb > The proud red banners torn > Eb > To you listen to the radio > Ab > You'd think it all was real > Bb > But you and me and Cisco know > Ab Bb Eb > It's going straight to hell > Eb > So come back Emma Goldman > Ab > Rise up old Joe Hill > Bb > The barracades are going up > Ab Eb > They cannot break our will > Eb > Come back to us Malcolm X > Ab > And Martin Luther King > Bb > We're marching into Selma > Ab Bb Eb > As the bells of freedom ring > Eb > So come back Woody Guthrie > Ab > Come back to us now > Bb > Ttear your eyes from paradise > Ab Bb Eb > And rise again some how > > > From Steve Earle "El Corazon" > E Squared Records 1997 > South Nashville/WB Music Corp(ASCAP) > > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:52:37 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Socialsim njc > I'm not sure what socialists quite believe - something like everyone > should have the same money and goods as everyone else, regardless of > effort or merit so everything is fair. Karl Marx's theory was, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." It's not really as simple as that, but there's a balance that can be achieved if people want the system to work. But as Kate pointed out, most humans long for power/control, and they can be damn greedy besides. So it can be difficult to sustain a socialist society for long. On the other hand, here's a place that's been around for a good long while now, and they seem to be doing just fine: http://www.eastwind.org/ Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:01:28 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Federation of Egalitarian Communities I wonder if we can submit JoniFest for membership? ; ) Website: http://www.thefec.org/ Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:15:10 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Socialsim njc Hi Lori > Karl Marx's theory was, "From each according to his ability, to each > according to his need." How about for each according to his own choice, decided by him/her? > But as Kate pointed out, most humans long for power/control, and they > can be damn greedy besides. So it can be difficult to sustain a > socialist society for long. Or maybe most humans long for control over their own lives and destiny. Greed is not good but I also perceive the same greedy impulse in those who resent someone who has more than they do or who believe that other peoples' earned wealth should be "redistributed" to them. > On the other hand, here's a place that's been around for a good long > while now, and they seem to be doing just fine: > http://www.eastwind.org/ I did not read the whole site, but if they are residing in the U.S., which operates under a capitalist economic model, they are still somewhat dependent on that system to survive and thrive. I would be interested in knowing whether all the same original people in this group are still involved or if they are dependent in recruiting new members as others drop out. As far as everyone living and working together collectively in total peace and happiness, it's a fine dream, but geez, have you ever known of many collective groups, such as let's say a family, where everyone got along and wanted to sacrifice unselfishly for the rest all the time? At least in a group like Kate's, it seemed people were free to belong or to leave, to thrive or to fail and move on. When socialism is dictated as a government mandate, there is no longer that freedom, unless one escapes to another country with a different model. Even in the large scale socialist countries such as the former USSR, China, Nazi Germany, Baathist Iraq, etc. an underground black market always existed/exists. Funny now that China has now adopted the capitalist economic model, while still mantaining that they are communist. Sounds like they are gradually moving to the hybrid U.S. model of capitalism/socialism. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:21:34 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Free Trade Kakki wrote, of capitalism being "the natural default system of the human race": > I guess I define it as free trade - people trading or selling their > particular skills, services and goods in exchange for currency, other > goods, services, etc. Isn't that the natural default throughout > history? Perhaps. But then there's that North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and look where that's gotten us. The rich get richer, and the everyone else loses their jobs ... Lori, who still likes Bill Clinton but hates that he supported NAFTA ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:26:14 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Socialsim njc Hi Kakki! > Funny now that China has now adopted the capitalist economic model, > while still mantaining that they are communist. Sounds like they are > gradually moving to the hybrid U.S. model of capitalism/socialism. ;-) I know, and I agree. The Chinese, like so many others around the world, probably sing this song about us ... part of it goes something like ... "Oh I hate you some, I hate you some, I love you some" ; ) Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:29:49 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: It's thursday NJC The song is on Baez'a new CD "Dark Chords on a Big Guitar." I do have to say that Steve Earle's version is still my favorite. But on the version on hius new LIve 2CD set, he pays tribute to Baez as deserving membership in the Guthrie/Cisco/ Emma Godlman/ Malcolm X/ Martin Luther King pantheon. Steve Earle is definitely worth a listen, if you ask me. Quoting Garret : > Hi Ron, > thanks for replying:-) > > that is definitely the same song that i heard on the radio, and i > really like it. I'm not a Steve Earle fan, to be honest i dont think > i've ever heard anything by him. That song was nice though. I am > sure it was Joan Baez. Well, now i can check her albums in the shop > as i know the title of the song. > > Thanks again. > GARRET > > np- Patti Smith, Dream of Life > > "ron" wrote: > > > > > hi > > > > > > >>>garret wrote > > > Secondly, there was a Joan Baez song on a different radio show. > I reckon > > it would be something recent, the lyrics are somthing like "stand > up woodie > > guthrie" and she mentions martin luther king. Can anyone help?? > I really > > want to hear these two songs again! > > > > not sure if anyones responded to this yet?? tho ive neverf jheard > joan's > > version - i would think it would suit her - the song itself is > "Christmas In > > Washington" written by Steve Earle & from his "el corazon" album > (its a good > > album too!!!) > > > > Eb > > It's Christmas time in Washington > > Ab > > The Democrats rehearsed > > Bb > > Getting into gear for four more years > > Ab Eb > > Things not getting worse > > Eb > > Republicans drink whiskey neat > > Ab > > And thank their lucky stars > > Bb > > Said he cannot seek another term > > Ab Eb > > They'll be no more FDRs > > Eb > > I sat home in Tennessee > > Ab > > Just Staring at the screen > > Bb > > An un-easy feeling in my chest > > Ab Eb > > And I'm wondering what it means > > Eb > > So come back Woody Guthrie > > Ab > > Come back to us now > > Bb > > Tear your eyes from paradise > > Ab Eb > > And rise again some how > > Eb > > If you run into Jesus > > Ab > > Maybe he can help you out > > Bb Ab Bb Eb > > Come back Woody Guthrie to us now > > > > instrumental > > > > Eb > > I Followed in your footsteps once > > Ab > > Back in my travel days > > Bb > > Somewhere I failed to find your trail > > Ab Eb > > Now I'm stumblin' through the haze > > > > But there's killers on the highway > > Ab > > And man can't get around > > Bb > > So I sold my soul for wheels that roll > > Ab Eb > > And I'm stuck here in this town > > Eb > > So come back Woody Guthrie > > Ab > > Come back to us now > > Bb > > tear your eyes from paradise > > Ab Eb > > And rise again some how > > Eb > > If you run into Jesus > > Ab > > Maybe he can help us out > > Bb Ab Bb Eb > > Come back Woody Guthrie to us now > > Eb > > There's foxes in the hen house > > Ab > > Cows out in the corn > > Bb > > The Unions have been busted > > Ab Eb > > The proud red banners torn > > Eb > > To you listen to the radio > > Ab > > You'd think it all was real > > Bb > > But you and me and Cisco know > > Ab Bb Eb > > It's going straight to hell > > Eb > > So come back Emma Goldman > > Ab > > Rise up old Joe Hill > > Bb > > The barracades are going up > > Ab Eb > > They cannot break our will > > Eb > > Come back to us Malcolm X > > Ab > > And Martin Luther King > > Bb > > We're marching into Selma > > Ab Bb Eb > > As the bells of freedom ring > > Eb > > So come back Woody Guthrie > > Ab > > Come back to us now > > Bb > > Ttear your eyes from paradise > > Ab Bb Eb > > And rise again some how > > > > > > From Steve Earle "El Corazon" > > E Squared Records 1997 > > South Nashville/WB Music Corp(ASCAP) > > > > > > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:57:21 +0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: It's thursday NJC Thanks:-) I think that will be my CD of the week next week (this week was Dusty Springfield greatest hits. Why? Heaven knows, but it really is good). The song really struck a chord with me, im not sure if it was because i was in a certain mood, but i want to hear it again. Steve Earle is a name that i've always come across but just never been exposed to, as far as i know. I get the impression that his is music worth listening to. Can you recommend any decent starting points then? GARRET np- Bjork live, Big Time Sensuality "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > > The song is on Baez'a new CD "Dark Chords on a Big Guitar." I do have > to say that Steve Earle's version is still my favorite. But on the > version on hius new LIve 2CD set, he pays tribute to Baez as deserving > membership in the Guthrie/Cisco/ Emma Godlman/ Malcolm X/ Martin Luther > King pantheon. > > Steve Earle is definitely worth a listen, if you ask me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:06:00 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Federation of Egalitarian Communities > I wonder if we can submit JoniFest for membership? ; ) Well, let's see...according to the site: Each of the Federation communities: 1. "Holds its land, labor, income and other resources in common." Nope - we each have our own bar tab. 2. "Assumes responsibility for the needs of its members, receiving the products of their labor and distributing these and all other goods equally, or according to need." Nope - I have yet to win the raffle items I NEED...anyway the words "responsibility" & "labor" shouldn't be used in speaking of Jonifest! 3."Practices non-violence" OK, we meet this criteria pretty well, unless you count all of the times we've wanted to slap Troy around. "Uses a form of decision making in which members have an equal opportunity to participate, either through consensus, direct vote or right of appeal or overrule." Nope - Ashara rules with an iron fist and woe be unto him (or her) who says otherwise! (But that's the way we all like it so it's cool anyway.) "Works to establish the equality of all people and does not permit discrimination on the basis of race, class, creed, ethnic origin, age, sex or sexual orientation." Doesn't really apply as ALL of us are SO IDENTICAL, right?! "Acts to conserve natural resources for present and future generations while striving to continually improve ecological awareness and practice." We all recycle our beer bottles, and Donna conserves water by swimming in the pond, so we meet this one too - YAY! "Creates processes for group communication and participation and provides an environment which supports people's development" I assume we accomplish this, but mostly behind closed doors! :~) Bob NP: Elvis C, "The Deportees Club" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:09:57 +0000 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: It's thursday NJC Garret, Earle plays in so many styles, often on the same record. El Corazon (incl. Christmas in Washington) is one of my favorites, but there's everything from Beatlesque pop, to country, to bluegrass, to folk to hard-driving rock 'n' roll bordering on metal all on the same album. If you'd like him in totally acoustic folk mode, try "Train a Comin'"; pure bluegrass: "THe Mountain"; for country with a touch of Springsteen, his debut album "Guitar Town" can't be beat. The new double live album is great, too: "Just an American Boy," though I'm not sure whether I like it because I've been a long-time fan, or whether the performances are superior. Clearly superior are the cuts from his last studio album, "Jerusalem," which suffer from too many precious production tricks in my opinion. The live versions rock as they ought to. Richard Quoting Garret : > Thanks:-) I think that will be my CD of the week next week (this > week was Dusty Springfield greatest hits. Why? Heaven knows, but it > really is good). The song really struck a chord with me, im not sure > if it was because i was in a certain mood, but i want to hear it > again. > > Steve Earle is a name that i've always come across but just never > been exposed to, as far as i know. I get the impression that his is > music worth listening to. > Can you recommend any decent starting points then? > GARRET > > np- Bjork live, Big Time Sensuality > > > "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > > > > > The song is on Baez'a new CD "Dark Chords on a Big Guitar." I do > have > > to say that Steve Earle's version is still my favorite. But on the > > version on hius new LIve 2CD set, he pays tribute to Baez as > deserving > > membership in the Guthrie/Cisco/ Emma Godlman/ Malcolm X/ Martin > Luther > > King pantheon. > > > > Steve Earle is definitely worth a listen, if you ask me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:19:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Dubai Bound NJC jamie, god bless you, darling! i'll pray that he'll put you under his wing and protect you. i am so distressed at your news. thinking of you, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jamie > Zubairi > Enviado el: Miircoles, 03 de Diciembre de 2003 03:01 p.m. > Para: Joni JMDL > Asunto: Dubai Bound NJC > > > Hey ya'll > > I'll be signing off far a few weeks as we are > currently being evicted from our home (our crook of a > landlord has defaulted on his mortgage payments and > the house is being repossessed!!!! We have called him > every name under the sun and have tried every possible > way of getting our deposits back but to no avail). > > So until we have got a place to live again, I shall > not sign on. > > Have a nice Christmas, Hannukah etc etc and watch Love > Actually and listen to Joni and play Our House and > think of me... homeless on the streets and not > listening to Joni. > > Much Joni > > > Jamie Zoob > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:26:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Colin's recovery NJC Oh Cynthia! I know exactly how you feel! When I was first diagnosed as a diabetic, I was told that pasta is very bad for me because it takes longer to break down in the system than regular sugars thereby keeping your blood sugar level higher longer. I was a very avid fan of Michellina's shrimp pasta frozen entrees and had seven in my freezer at the time I found out. I just looked at them and cried. It really does hurt but it's hard to explain why. Thanks so much for sharing this! I can definitely relate! Sherelle Cynthia wrote: "i found out yesterday that livers HATE aspartame. since the medication for my multiple sclerosis isn't too fond of livers, either, and since your liver cleanses your whole freakin' earthly vessel, i suppose i'm done with diet mountain dew. yesterday was a very sad day, and today isn't much better, with no friendly silver and green cans shining on my desk. my liver *better* be happy. c" _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:42:13 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Colin's recovery NJC you know, sherelle, in the grand scheme of things, a diet mtn dew (or a 6-pack of the same, per day, more likely!) really isn't that big a deal.... and i'm adjusting nicely - the water i've replaced the sodas with (and this is the propoganda i've been telling myself, so just smile and nod now) will help me lose weight so that i'll be just *too* sexy and will make my skin absolutely radiant and will save me god-only-knows how much money over the course of a year and, thanks to this lifestyle change, now i can even give my jmdl friends a related stock tip!! now would be the time to buy aspirin stock, because i've been having some *serious* withdrawal headaches. i think the only way to make them go away is for you to promise *right now* that you'll come to fest next year, sherelle, and sing for me. ;o) thanks for understanding! and colin - since this is your thread, let me take a minute to thank you for your support, too. you guys ROCK! cindy _________________________________ <> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:46:43 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Mary Grace NJC I have been speaking with MG's family daily. MG is still in the hosital and has had surgery. Hopefully she will be home tomorrow. She is being medicated with morphine. She has pancreatic cancer and the reason she was rushed to hospital was because it had grown to the point it shut off her bile ducts, thus turning her yellow. According to Signe, her eldest child(her children are 22, 13 and 11), emails are fine to send but don't expect a reply: MGVal@aol.com Mg recently got married so has step children and of course a new husband too. MG is 44 years old in January, a year younger than I. When MG first told me of her health worries, putting it down to IBS or Lactose intolernace(because her Dr said so) i was immediately scared for her as I knew that dramatic weight loss was not a good sign. Soemtimes you just feel it in your gut that something bad is happening. If you don't feel well and are losing weight, don't be fobbed off, kick up a stink till you get a cat scan or something. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Brei Gross Subject: new glen campbell tunes hey I was just listening to WMAG.wak tonight and they did a special on Glen Campbell...two new tunes in fact..... Wichita Wineman By the time I got to Phoenix, I was arrested (I bailed myself out with my credit caaard) ahem, Brei Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:24:20 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Socialism (is God's way) njc > Karl Marx's theory was, "From each according to his ability, to each > according to his need." How about for each according to his own choice, decided by him/her? Vince responds: Actually, Karl Marx (a Lutheran) did not originate that idea. it comes from the Holy Bible, Acts chapter 2: "they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were being done by the apostles. 44 All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. " The early Church practiced socialism in a very non socialistic age. That does recall the teaching of Jesus that from the one to whom much is given, much is expected. - - and Jesus was talking money there in that parable. And that builds upon the Prime Covenant (Old Testament) teachings that forbid interest on loans, commands forgivenesss of all debts, and grants to all, whether they can work or not, food and land in the community. What a bunch of socialists the people of God are, damn them, the heretics. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:33:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: satisfied now, mick? -- NJC > to keep quite about that thing with charlie............ Thank you, Ron! This is the *only* possible explanation. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:42:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Socialsim njc Even > in the large scale socialist countries such as the former USSR, > China, Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany? Socialist? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:45:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: It's thursday NJC Garret wrote: > Thanks:-) I think that will be my CD of the week next week (this > week was Dusty Springfield greatest hits. Why? Heaven knows, but it > really is good). You need no reason or justification to listen to Dusty, imo. She was sublime. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:52:22 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Socialsim njc Mark or Travis wrote: > Even > > >>in the large scale socialist countries such as the former USSR, >>China, Nazi Germany, >> >> > >Nazi Germany? Socialist? > >Mark > > > I was hoping someone would catch that - thank you Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:47:24 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Socialism (is God's way) njc Vince writes: > Vince responds: Actually, Karl Marx (a Lutheran) did not > originate that idea. it comes from the Holy Bible, Acts > chapter 2: Wow....he was a Christian? I have never heard that before. And to think of all the ungodly things done in his name, including the murder and persecution of Lutherans, other Christians, Orthodox and Jews and the banning of any religious worship and churches. I also don't find someone who categorized people into such demeaning stereotypes as bourgeois, petit-bourgeois, peasants, etc. as being very god-filled. > "they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and > fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 > Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were > being done by the apostles. 44 All who believed were > together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell > their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to > all, as any had need. " I always interpreted that to apply only to the group of apostles - that they would go out and proselytize about Jesus and give away their material goods to others in need. Like the idea of priests who take the vow of poverty so that they may more purely serve the spiritual needs of people. > And that builds upon the Prime Covenant (Old Testament) > teachings that forbid interest on loans, commands > forgivenesss of all debts, and grants to all, whether they > can work or not, food and land in the community. What a > bunch of socialists the people of God are, damn them, the > heretics. I interpret that as good moral teachings from God or his representatives, not as an exhortation from God to secular government to mandate it. The bible also says: Thou shalt not steal Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' goods Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:11:23 -0500 From: vince Subject: It's dusty gentry saturday last NJC Mark, partner of Travis the Thanksgiving chef, wrote: >You need no reason or justification to listen to Dusty, imo. She was >sublime. > > > Last Saturday NPR was playing what it calls roots music and after some bluesy number they played "Son of a Preacher Man." I was singing along, ever mindful that it was precisely because some nice young girl once met the sweet talking son of a preacher man that resulted in my having a grandson.... and I kept thinking, my memory is off on Dusty's arrangement. But it turned out to be Bobby Gentry's version I was singing along with - now there is a name from the past and it seems no one knows where she is now - - she has chosen to be a recluse. And on my shelf is an album Jerry gave me: Dusty Loves Vince. Jerry doesn't know that every time I hear the lyric "and the only boy who could ever reach me was the son of a preacher man" my mind flashes to the unpleasant (to me) concept of my 18 year old son and his 15 year old date - not the proudest moment in parenting history but at that point he had been with his mother for 6 years since I was a bad influence on him while his mother (then on marriage 4 and live ins too numerous to count) was a good influence. What with all the sex in the house with my ex-wife's couplings, I am sure my son wanted to have something going on too. But again, my precious grandson comes from all this so what does one say. And he never sees or hears from nor gets a call from his father (by father's inaction, twice a year sees my ex wife his grandmother (now several couplings more and husband no. 6), and the kid spends so much time with me by his choice - I love him so much, he is the joy of my life - 8 year old sweety wrote a note "I love you" and placed it in my office so I would find it while working a few days later - these moments are so good - since I am still a preacher man, will this make my grandson also the son of a preacher man? Vince the poppa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:32:47 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Socialism (is God's way) njc kakki wrote: >Vince writes: > > > >>Vince responds: Actually, Karl Marx (a Lutheran) did not >>originate that idea. it comes from the Holy Bible, Acts >>chapter 2: >> >> > >Wow....he was a Christian? I have never heard that before. And to think of >all the ungodly things done in his name, including the murder and >persecution of Lutherans, other Christians, Orthodox and Jews and the >banning of any religious worship and churches. I also don't find someone >who categorized people into such demeaning stereotypes as bourgeois, >petit-bourgeois, peasants, etc. as being very god-filled. > The evil done in Marx's name do not from from Marx: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc., must take responsibility for going far beyond Marx for the crimes. The science of sociology was just emerging then. Troeltsch did much work as did Veben, on social classifications of people as new classes emerged from the Industrial Age. The sociology was not meant to be demeaning in its origin and in fact was very important in much late 19th and early 20th century Christian writings. > > > >>"they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and >>fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 >>Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were >>being done by the apostles. 44 All who believed were >>together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell >>their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to >>all, as any had need. " >> >> > >I always interpreted that to apply only to the group of apostles - that they >would go out and proselytize about Jesus and give away their material goods >to others in need. Like the idea of priests who take the vow of poverty so >that they may more purely serve the spiritual needs of people. > No, that applied to all of the community - the entire community in Jerusalem in the time period following Pentecost. The central sacrament of worship, communion, remains the gathering of the family around the table to be fed. The early practice of the churchj in Jerusalem was communism, > > > >>And that builds upon the Prime Covenant (Old Testament) >>teachings that forbid interest on loans, commands >>forgivenesss of all debts, and grants to all, whether they >>can work or not, food and land in the community. What a >>bunch of socialists the people of God are, damn them, the >>heretics. >> >> > >I interpret that as good moral teachings from God or his representatives, >not as an exhortation from God to secular government to mandate it. > oh??????????? whether the time of the kings in the theocracy or later in the 8th century and following prophets, who were they then speaking to? the air? I suppose the kings imprisoning of Isaiah, jeremiah, seeking Elijah's death, barring others from the worship centers and temple,. was because the prophets were not speaking to government to mandate it? Au contra ire --- read Amos - read Micah - damn socialists saying that God hates the worship of the rich because the poor are abused by the powers that control with bribes to favor the rich and dispossess the poor in the courts so thus because there is hunger, the alien is not welcome, and the poor can get no justice, no equity, the ivory palaces of the rich and powerful will be torn down - hey, I don't make this stuff up, it is the Bible ---- wonder why Mary when told she is carrying the fetus conceived by the Holy Spirit doesn't go, Wow, amazing! I need a baby shower!" but instead says the poor will be satisfied the rich sent away empty, the proud will be torn down in their deceit, the mighty cast down from their thrones - such political/economic language from little Mary - no political content there??????? > >The bible also says: > >Thou shalt not steal >Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' goods > > > The Bible does say that. It also says give of your best to those who have not. Too many parables and stories that way in the Scriptures. Any good rabbi or minister will tell you the reverse reading is also true - to covet one's own goods and not to share is to break the covenant with God. Any taking of interest, of keeping of land pledged in mortgage even when the mortgage is not paid, to keep the surety for an unpaid loan, that is stealing. And the prophets spoke much about the rich stealing from the pool to enhance their wealth and thus would experience God's wrath. The rich, Jesus said, because they kept their wealth and did not give it away, that is why the rich shall have a harder time entering heaven than passing through the eye of the needle. Hey - Jesus said it.. Go yell at him, for wanting to redistribute from those who ahd to those in need. Don't shoot Vince, I am just the Bible quoter ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #600 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)