From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #597 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 597 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JoniFest 2004/Colin/B-days/Wally (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Today in History: December 1 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] charlie haden NJC ["bill johnson" ] Re: And so once again ... [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC What I remember about records ["Lori Fye" ] Covers # 47 ~ Joy (and Joni covers) to the World! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] njc ["mackoliver" ] njc ["mackoliver" ] what is going on? njc ["mackoliver" ] njc [mack watson-bush ] Re: Art for Art's Sake...the music industry cesspool njc [Brenda ] re: in defense of last chance lost (and DJRD) [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Song Poll - the "unloved", "most controvertial" and "most ambivalent" - long [Bobsart4] Re: crossovers (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: female country singers, njc ["David Rahall" ] Covers from Christmas Past -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: 40 watt successes/Joni Star/Britney NJC [Michael Paz ] RE: njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Today's Library Links: December 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: December 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Warner future njc [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:32:50 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JoniFest 2004/Colin/B-days/Wally (NJC) Donna wrote, of JoniFest: > Us be afraid?? Honey you ain't seen nothin yet! In fact, if you're not careful you may end up in the duck pond around 5:00 in the morning! ; ) Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:57:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake...the music industry cesspool njc Kate wrote: > To many people the music industry is the majors...the majors aren't > what they used to be...i forget which label it is that was bought by > seagrams... Always curious about (and wary of) takeovers and mergers, I had to look this one up. The label was PolyGram. More interesting, though, is where I found that information. Here is a really nice opinion piece on this subject by Matt Johnson of "The The," which supports Brenda's theory about Wall Street being the real demon. http://www.eff.org/IP/Audio/20000607_thethe_statement.html Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:00:43 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: A novel experience njc I made it! I finished writing at 4.55am on the 30th November. I was getting pretty tired by about 3.00am but I was so close to the finish line that I just had to press on until I passed the 50K mark. Of course by then I was too late to call any friends to share my triumph. Ah well. I suppose strictly speaking 50,000 words is probably more accurately described as a novella, although I don't know if there are other criteria which distinguish the two forms other than length. And mine certainly didn't involve much excessive effort: although you can write as many words as you are willing and able to, I managed to finish my story with the total at 50,011 words! If I decide I want to do anything more with it, there are a few strands that could be fleshed out to bulk up the length. I've heard about a type of on-line publishing, where you put an extract of a novel along with a description on the website and if people like the look of it they pay a small amount to download. Has anyone here got any experience of this? Azeem in London, "Nano Winner" ;-) NP: Sing-Sing - The Joy of Sing-Sing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:02:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC What I remember about records > And don't those of you who are old enough to remember when vinyl > records were *IT* think that today's music buyers are missing out on > some of the beauty of buying and opening and playing a > brand new record? Well, I can't comment on the audiophile end of the spectrum, but I agree with you on the artwork/liner notes/lyric stuff. I remember the smell of the record once you broke the cellophane, that was like crack to me - I craved it so. I remember putting on the LP, and cueing up my cassette recorder so I could tape the record and play it in the car, or play the whole thing without having to flip the record over. Trying to time it just right. Getting upset when the LP ran over 45 mins. which meant that it wouldn't all fit on one side of a 90-minute cassette. Cringing whenever I'd hear a pop or skip in the vinyl. My sister putting a penny on her tonearm so her records wouldn't skip as much. I still have to deal with records as part of the covers project, which I don't mind. Brings back all those fond memories. Bob NP: Elvis C, "45" 4/15/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:41:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Was Art for Art's Sake...soon Social impact of corporatization njc >Thanks for writing back. I appreciate the dialogue.< Me too brenda! >If the music industry is the majors, then what is everything outside of the majors? I agree that the majors aren't what they used to be. The trouble I have is defining where that corporate level is for which, it is no longer about music. From my experience, that level is above the record companies themselves. It is in the bigger company that owns the music group, Bertelsmann as opposed to BMG, Sony Corp as opposed to Sony Music. For them it was NEVER about music to begin with.< I see what your are saying...about the level above...the other companies that have bought the majors...between this kind of consolidation along with radio consolidation... >I don't disagree with you about flakiness in other industries, but unfortunately, the flaky musician is not a myth. It is very real and has a very real impact on record labels.< Yes, its not a myth but its too much of a myth I would say...i know so many responsible hardworking pro musicians that I hate to perpetuate the idea that 'flaky' is the norm as far as musicians go... >You may want to check out Speech's last record, "Spiritual People." If you love the AD stuff, you like it.< Thanks! >Actually, I would like to hear what it's like because that is not my experience with ASCAP. I know people there who have helped artists build there careers. And I know two of the muckety mucks very well, both of whom are highly respected people. So please email me off list as I would be glad to take these issues to them. They are the kind of people who would want to do something about it if it's still going on.< I was not too long ago part of a group who was trying to change things as many small venues were being harrassed over the past few years by ascap reps...i may have some of those emails but I ended up jumping ship it was just to big of a goliath to me when other things were calling for my attention...outside of the harrassment issues ascap & bmi are set up to only reward the top players- its different in other countries (like australia) & i was just reading about how different things are for canadian artists too (re pro's & also the govt which awards grants to musicians! Wow...sarah mc recorded her first cd on a govt grant! Last month's performing songwriter with sarah on the cover has lots of that info on canada) >I look forward to reading your next post because I'm almost certain we will find places where we don't agree. (Looking at everyone's scores to that political test, I believe I was the only one who scored firmly in that lower right box. Just me and Milton Friedman!) I think that being publicly-traded isn't right for recorded music companies because of the nature of their product cycle. But it is right for many other businesses. More later on that.< Lol...what you say makes sense to me >BTW, are you on the Future of Music Coalition mailing list? If not, I highly recommend checking it out: http://www.futureofmusic.org/< Once upon a time I was...great org! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:44:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today njc >The only difference between us and them is the fact that we know our condition and they do not. Tomorrow is never promised to anyone, healthy or not. All things considered, I think we all have the same odds for making it another day.< Beautifully said sherrelle & a great reminder! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:30:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: December 1 "Wish I could remember the set-list." Stephen, maybe this will jog your memory... Woman Of Heart & Mind Coyote Edith & The Kingpin Don't Interrupt The Sorrow and then comes back on for the finale of "This Land Is Your Land". ring any bells? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:40:14 -0600 From: "bill johnson" Subject: charlie haden NJC Charlie Haden, the greatest jazz drummer of all time Jack DeJohnette, and Joni's sax friend Michael Brecker are all on Pat Metheny's 80/81 double album. While i'm at it, does anyone out there know of Mary Margaret O'Hara? I highly recommend her to all. Her Miss America album is a masterpiece. All for now, Bill from IL who loves Coltrane _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:55:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: And so once again ... Hi Fred Danilo was here at Snug Harbor last weekend b4 Thanksgiving. Brian Blade was playing the same night at the Creative Arts School as a fundraiser. I could not get to either gig as I promised my wife I would attend some other fundraiser with her (with BAD cover music "shake yer booty-play that funky music crap). We did make it to Snug when it was almost over and sat outside in the bar an listened a bit. Brian showed up as well and I at least got to tell him hi. The night was not a total loss as we were all picked up by the ever popular Jack Neilson (in big long limo) and went to hear David Torkanowsky Band at Sweet Lorraine's and Germaine Bazzle sat in with them. It was sublime. Danilo is a wonderful player and I got to work with him a few years ago at Jazz Fest. Best Michael > (Apologies in advance if this has been mentioned here; I just can't keep up > with the list lately.) > > There is an extraordinary version of Joni's "The Fiddle and The Drum" on > pianist Danilo Perez' most recent album called " ... til then." It's one of > the best covers of a Joni song I've ever heard in that it absolutely does Joni > proud as tribute to her version, but brings something very new and personal to > the table, something of equally high caliber. > > Given that the original is a cappella, an obvious choice in covering it is to > harmonize it, that is, create a set of chords/harmonies that illuminate and > compliment the melody. Frankly, it's something I've often thought of doing > myself, and still may someday. Perez' harmonization is stellar, both as > manifestation of the harmonies implied in Joni's melody and as an extension of > those harmonies. If you imagine what Herbie Hancock might have done, that > wouldn't be dissimilar. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:49:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC What I remember about records Drawing a liquid line of D3 or D4 fluid on the Discwasher (http://store1.yimg.com/I/hogwildstore_1770_2195438) and drawing the edge of the bottle along the nap of the fabric to be sure it had soaked in, then gently cleaning the vinyl before playing. Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:17:33 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: And so once again ... Michael, is this danilo perez the same as the danilo perez who accompanied brazilian singer itxaso in her smolderingly sexy version of cherokee louise? i like the interplay of voice and guitar, though. and i heard of germaine bazzle too. she sang a song with dianne reeves in the latter album ("the grand encounter") called "side by side". love the gravelly feel of her voice. i wonder if she has a solo album. joseph in chapel hill np: david lahm's "in france they kiss ....." Quoting Michael Paz : > Hi Fred > Danilo was here at Snug Harbor last weekend b4 Thanksgiving. Brian > Blade was > playing the same night at the Creative Arts School as a fundraiser. I > could > not get to either gig as I promised my wife I would attend some > other > fundraiser with her (with BAD cover music "shake yer booty-play that > funky > music crap). We did make it to Snug when it was almost over and sat > outside > in the bar an listened a bit. Brian showed up as well and I at least > got to > tell him hi. The night was not a total loss as we were all picked up > by the > ever popular Jack Neilson (in big long limo) and went to hear David > Torkanowsky Band at Sweet Lorraine's and Germaine Bazzle sat in with > them. > It was sublime. Danilo is a wonderful player and I got to work with > him a > few years ago at Jazz Fest. > > Best > > Michael > > > > (Apologies in advance if this has been mentioned here; I just can't > keep up > > with the list lately.) > > > > There is an extraordinary version of Joni's "The Fiddle and The > Drum" on > > pianist Danilo Perez' most recent album called " ... til then." > It's one of > > the best covers of a Joni song I've ever heard in that it > absolutely does Joni > > proud as tribute to her version, but brings something very new and > personal to > > the table, something of equally high caliber. > > > > Given that the original is a cappella, an obvious choice in > covering it is to > > harmonize it, that is, create a set of chords/harmonies that > illuminate and > > compliment the melody. Frankly, it's something I've often thought > of doing > > myself, and still may someday. Perez' harmonization is stellar, > both as > > manifestation of the harmonies implied in Joni's melody and as an > extension of > > those harmonies. If you imagine what Herbie Hancock might have > done, that > > wouldn't be dissimilar. > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:20:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers # 47 ~ Joy (and Joni covers) to the World! Hard to believe it's December, but NOT hard to believe that with a new month comes another in our never-ending series of tributes to Siquomb. This month brings #47, a collection of 22 covers of Joni songs, gathered up by me and with a little help from my NYC buddy Paul Maggio. And here's what awaits the listener: 1. Marsha DesLauriers - Big Yellow Taxi: Released earlier this year as a bonus track on her CD, this is a very nice spirited cover of Joni's classic, influenced methinks by the Amy Grant cover. 2. The Practicers - You Turn Me On I'm A Radio 3. The Practicers - Twisted: The last of the Practicers "raw but real" offerings. I like these homemade recordings, especially the clean fluidity of the guitarist. 4. The Ray Bloch Singers - Both Sides Now: Or as MAD magazine would say, The Ray Blechhh Singers....'nuff said. 5. Pickwick Papers - You're So Square: From the mid-60's, this sounds like The Zombies "She's Not There" + some other things thrown in for good measure. They're trying to sound British but they were from Detroit. Either way, this one is great fun. 6. Canadian Suite - Carey 7. Canadian Suite - Raised On Robbery 8. Canadian Suite - Big Yellow Taxi: A three-fer! Cool! Canadian Suite is basically a husband & wife duo now based in the UK but proud of their Canadian roots. Nothing sensational but pleasant enough. 9. Charlie Wakefield Trio - Both Sides Now: OK, this guy is blind so I better not say anything bad or it'll probably bring some kind of bad karma curse on my ass. It's actually not too bad, and it's only about a minute and a half long. 10. Mother Of Pearl - Blue Motel Room: Tell you the truth, I was disappointed in this one...the lead vocalist drops some of the lyrics and doesn't sing in pitch very well. This is from a collection that came out this year of an all-female group playing and singing songs written by Canadian women. Loved their song choice, but the execution left me wanting. 11. Sybersound - Help Me: A karaoke recording, obviously VERY close to the original. Background vocals provided, all they need is for YOU to sing the lead! Sing it, Bree! 12. Karen Mason - Joy To The World/River: From a live recording, this is a duet between Karen & Christopher Denny. It's very lovely and affecting as it contrasts the joy of one song with the melancholy of the other, and the arrangement is also unique & lovely. One of the highlights of this set, maybe a good candidate for a "Sweet 16 Take 3" assuming such a thing ever happens... 13. Kate Peters - Both Sides Now 14. Kate Peters - All I Want: Kate's a west coast cabaret artist, she actually runs a cabaret school for youth & young adults. She's obviously a Joni fan & I like these recordings a lot, though I will say they had to grow on me. 15. Larry D - Carey: One of our own! Larry, you still out there? From his solo CD also released this year, this is a nice playful take of Carey featuring Larry's soft-mellow voice and ukelele. Delightful! 16. Karl Anthony - Woodstock: This one is another highlight, Karl & his wife duet & both voices are right on the money. The musicianship is also of a very high caliber. 17. Carmel Quinn - Both Sides Now: File under lounge wanna-be. Velveeta grade. This reminds me of someone but I don't know who. 18. Karin Krog - All I Want: Karin is a Norwegian jazz singer, this is from one of her rarer LP's. She kind of talks her way through it, carefully dodging those high notes! 19. Alan Tew Orchestra - Big Yellow Taxi 20. Alan Tew Orchestra - Woodstock: I went to high school with a guy named Paul Tew who played the guitar. I hope he's no kin to this outfit, and doubt that he is because I believe this was a UK group. More early-seventies cheesy fluff. 21. The Skidmore Sonneteers - Chelsea Morning: College acapella from 1979, so they were a little ahead of the curve, but their arrangement is not very creative, nor is their performance very energetic. 22. Terry Dynam - Both Sides Now: Reminds me a bit of Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you remember who that was. Another semi-forgettable interpretation from another forgotten singer. And there you go...the dandies & the duds, joni covers that make you cheer and tear and fear...for January 1. :~) Stay tuned, I'll be doing the frisbee thing shortly. Bob NP: Terry Dynam, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:28:11 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: njc testing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:33:32 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: njc Have relocated and now have cable hookup for the computer which is great but it has caused me great grief with the email. Have responded to numerous posts-to bob, brenda, colin- and nothing would show up. Finally, it worked. I felt cut off. eeekkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't do without the jmdl. Now isn't that something? love, mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:36:57 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: what is going on? njc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: mack watson-bush Subject: njc Hell, let's see if this works. Have relocated and have a new cable hookup for the computer. Love it but it won't let me post. Have went to the alternate email address. Have posted to many but they will never know. miss you all. love, mack _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE Email at http://www.adres.nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:23:38 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake...the music industry cesspool njc And interestingly enough, Seagram's bought Polygram after it had bought Island, A&M, Motown and 60% of Def Jam. Note that Polygram went public in 1989 and then went on a five-year spending spree akin to a drunken sailor in a whorehouse. The company is now the Universal Music Group, a division of Vivendi Universal (a product of the merger between Seagrams & Canal+) The whole sordid history (of the music side) can be found here: http://new.umusic.com/history.aspx Philips got out while the getting was good. BTW, Vivendi Universal Entertainment is merging with General Electric's NBC and Vivendi Universal Games has bought it's way to the number 2 slot among game publishers. B on 12/1/03 1:57 PM, Lori Fye at lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com wrote: > Kate wrote: > >> To many people the music industry is the majors...the majors aren't >> what they used to be...i forget which label it is that was bought by >> seagrams... > > Always curious about (and wary of) takeovers and mergers, I had to look > this one up. The label was PolyGram. > > More interesting, though, is where I found that information. Here is a > really nice opinion piece on this subject by Matt Johnson of "The The," > which supports Brenda's theory about Wall Street being the real demon. > > http://www.eff.org/IP/Audio/20000607_thethe_statement.html > > Lori > > ~ > http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 > ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:48:23 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: In defense of Last Chance Lost > Gang, > > I guess I'm one of the very few who likes 'Last Chance Lost'..... I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe the 700 some odd people who didn't place a vote really like "Last Chance Lost". :>) Victor NP: MNF Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:03:43 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: henry the pug (NJC) On this day I think it's especially apropos to update everyone on Andrea's pug, Henry. He has been adopted by a family in Woodstock, NY, with 2 kids, 5 acres, and 2 other pug buddies. He is very happy, as are the people who now have him. I think Andrea would be pleased, and amused that he ended up in WOODSTOCK of all places. The people with the pug rescue organization who helped me are absolutely fantastic. If anyone in the NY area is looking for a pug, I'd be happy to put you in touch with them. And thank you again, Lori, for that wonderful tribute. Last Thanksgiving she was at my house, so I was thinking about her even more than usual last week. And, yes, I was the one she was pissed at for sending her birthday gift, Travelogue, a bit on the late side. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:06:10 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: re: in defense of last chance lost (and DJRD) first, let me say it mystifies me why we, as lovers of Joni's wonderus works, have to defend anything she does to one another. heck, that outta the way, I LOVE LAST CHANCE LOST! any of you who have every read any of my posts probabaly know that , with me, loving anysong of joni's is a given. i hear you about the jazz thing and i can hear ella singing it in my mind, the image is a beautiful tearful one. still i say, and i have held this belief for 30 years and i dare anyone to change my mind, no one sings joni like joni...end of story. sure i like to hear others do her songs but more because it shows me just how influencial joni really is, bob the cover man can tell you, just look at how many covers there are out there. DJRJ, the tenth world, otis and marlena, dreamland, talk to me, name a song on that album and i'll give you 5 reasons why i wouldn't skip that song even if you gave me $100. and none of them has to do with who the song may possibly be written about. non fiction can lie and omit the truth, fiction can't. pax noel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:23:41 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Song Poll - the "unloved", "most controvertial" and "most ambivalent" - long A bit more on the statistics. A few of the albums had results for "most favorite" that were so spread out over all of the songs that the results could barely be differentiated from "random". These included THOSL, MOA, Tlog and, to a lesser extent, DJRD and DED. Most of the other records had pretty strong preferences - clearly not spread out (as they would be if the songs were pretty much toss-ups). However, even within those strong preferences, one can see (as Bob M pointed out) that there was more dispersion of "most favorite" votes than you might expect to see among most artists' work. One good illustration of this is the small number of songs that were "shut out" - garnering no "most favorite" votes out of about 40 votes in most cases. In fact, only 19 songs (out of Joni's roughly 150 + polled) that got no 'most favorite' votes at all. This could make a pretty decent album itself (certainly not one without merit). These are the lonely songs that nobody loved the most: Roses Blue Clouds Songs to Aging Children Clouds The Priest Ladies Of The Canyon Big Yellow Taxi Ladies of the Canyon My Old Man Blue See You Sometime For The Roses Car on a Hill Court and Spark Trouble Child Court and Spark Furry Sings the Blues Hejira Blue Motel Room Hejira The Tenth World DJRD Ladies Man Wild Things Run Fast Man to Man Wild Things Run Fast The Reoccuring Dream Dog Eat Dog The Windfall Nigh Ride Home Raybs Dadbs Cadillac Night Ride Home Not To Blame Turbulent Indigo Lead Balloon Taming The Tiger No Apologies Taming the Tiger Note that this a considerably different list than the "Least Favorites" list. That brings us to the "most ambivalent" group, the ones that got the smallest number of total votes (either most favorite or least favorite) - "nobody loves me most, but nobody loves me least". Leading this list were California (with a half of a most favorite vote, and no least favorite votes) and Big Yellow Taxi (one least favorite vote). Hard to get worked up about a group that nobody feels strongly about, so I think I'll leave this alone for now. Finally, we have a group I would dub "most controvertial" - that is, songs that garnered a fair number of both"most favorite" and "least favorite" votes. "They either love me or hate me, but can't ignore me". The overwhelmingly most controvertial song was Ethiopia, with 8.5 most favorite votes, and 10 least favorite votes. Almost half the people named it as either most favorite or least favorite on DED - the votes for most of the other songs on this record were pretty spread out. Here are the most controvertial songs (i.e., those that received at least 3 most favorite and at least 3 least favorite votes, but were not most favorite or least favorite on their CD, using my definition of such from an earlier post): Night In The City STAS Nathan La Franeer STAS The Arrangement LOTC The Circle Game LOTC Little Green Blue Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire FTR Electricity FTR Help Me C&S Free Man In Paris C&S In France They Kiss On Main Street THOSL Edith and the Kingpin THOSL Shades of Scarlet Conquering THOSL The Boho Dance THOSL Sweet Bird THOSL Paprika Plains DJRD Ethiopia DED Shiny Toys DED Sex Kills TI How Do You Stop TI I like this mix - I only named two songs as "most favorite" and one as "least favorite", but I like almost all of the rest quite a bit (i.e., they make my top half of their records rather than the bottom half, and some were terribly close to getting my "most favorite" vote). Note all of the votes for THOSL - maybe this is Joni's most consistent album (tough to identify a most favorite or least favorite) - as opposed to the most controvertial ? That's all folks, I'm (mercifully) out of stats. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:52:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: crossovers (NJC) Hi Joseph Have you hear the Pavarotti and Friends album (featuring Sting, the Neville Brothers, Queen, and this amazing tenor called Luchero). I love this record and listen to it quite a lot. I don't know if it is still made but let me know and I will try to help you out. Best Paz > Hi guys, > > I just want to know if anyone can suggest to me a good album of > operatic singers doing cross-overs to (for lack of an appropriate > term) to pop. I have a a friend who is also a graduate student here > who is fascinated by Kiri Te Kanawa singing songs of Cole Porter, > Irving Berlin, etc. I went to her apartment last Thursday and saw > among others, Dawn Upshaw singing Vernon Duke, Rodgers and Hart, Jose > Carreras singing Andrew Lloyd Webber, etc. I am thinking of giving her > a good "crossover" album this Christmas but I am not sure who are the > in the cutting edge artists in this "genre". Any suggestion will be > appreciated. > > Joseph > (who experienced his first Thanksgiving dinner with American friends > and has this abnormal fascination for pumpkin pies). > > Joseph S.E. Palis > Department of Geography > University of North Carolina > Saunders Hall, CB 3220 > Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 > > palis@email.unc.edu > joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:53:40 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: female country singers, njc Have Rosanne Cash and Patty Loveless been mentioned yet? I like both of them. David Rahall, who just got back from Thanksgiving in New York. I caught Gypsy's glove during her strip tease and I saw a woman bite Hugh Jackman's ass. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Laurent Olszer" ; Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Re: female country singers, njc > --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > > Since I'm running out of rock female singers to > > listen to, I find myself > > liking country these days for the 1st time. Just > > ordered Alison Krauss, > > Emmylou Harris and Suzy Bogguss (who also covers > > "Comes Love"). Any fans out > > there who can suggest more great voices? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:54:11 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Covers from Christmas Past -- NJC Want a good boo hoo? Listen to Robert Downey, Jr. sing "River" on Covers Volume XII. Even *I* squirted a few. But then few artists can sing, "I am so hard to handle, I'm selfish and I'm sad" with the kind of hard-won conviction that Robert Downey, Jr. can muster! This excellent compilation also includes "Song to a Seagull" performed a cappella by Dave van Ronk (Hey, Jimmy!), "Both Sides Now" by Glen Campbell ("Hah! Ahm Glin Cambull!"), and Bette Midler singing "For Free" in a bath house (And who hasn't done that!). --Troy, waiting for Santa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:01:28 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: 40 watt successes/Joni Star/Britney NJC I am waiting for a copy of her new record now and as always will give it at least one spin just like I do everybody else. She was a really sweet kid when I met her the night she was on Jukebox (circa first Rolling Stone cover era). I got the feeling she knew exactly what she wants and how to get it regardless of her limitations. I see a big parallel betwixt her and the Madonna. I never really got into her at all, but I always thought she was very saavy at the biz end of things. I see young Brit following in her footsteps. Hopefully she will do as well later musically as Madonna did and then hopefully not make as many bad movies. It's great to see your posts again. I always enjoy your points of view and intelligence and then I guess we have that "it's all about the music" thing in common. I am headed your way again this year and am going to the NAMM show in Anaheim. It would be great to get to meet you after all these years. Best Paz NP-Leno on TV with Tori Amos coming up. Later ya'll > This Thanksgiving weekend I finally had the opportunity to catch up on the > Joni list. And much to my surprise I find myself wanting to defend Britney > Spears. I don't listen to her records. I don't own a single piece of music > by her. I think she is marginally talented, which is nothing unusual ... > seems like every generation has someone of marginal talent who has been > successful. > > I think she is an easy target and I haven't seen anyone present an opposing > position to what has been written about her...so why not? > > on 11/19/03 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >> Of course, hundreds of years from now when space age people are flying over >> the walk in their Jetson-mobiles, they'll recognize Joni as one of the >> premier >> composers of the 20th century and say "Britney who?" At least that is my >> fervent prayer. > > and on 11/19/03 Bree wrote: > >> What will be sort of interesting to see if she is around in the spotlight >> five >> years from now. > > Britney has managed to release four records in four years and is an icon for > a generation, no matter what anyone not of that generation may think. I > would wager that years from now she will be remembered because she best > symbolizes a cultural period or phenomenon - just like Joni or Madonna or > Michael Jackson or Prince or Annette Funicello (left field, I know, but they > have that Mickey Mouse Club thing in common). > > > on 11/19/03, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> kind of feel sorry for the Britneys and others because >> they're being used by the business. > > and > > on 11/19/03 8:20 PM, Bruce Kimerer at kimerer@taconic.net wrote: > >> >> If Britney was dropped by her record company, would she market her work >> herself? My guess is no, because she is a creation of the company. >> > > I disagree strongly. I think she would carry on with or without a record > company, because she is already reaching beyond music, albeit with varied > measures of success. This girl is not stupid; she is not so much being > used by the business as she is using it. It's not happenstance that she has > become friendly with Madonna. She could BE Madonna in 20 years. She > embodies blonde ambition. > > on 11/19/03 4:29 PM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> I'm probably going to regret asking, but what in the >> name of Joni has Britney Spears done for the >> community? >> > She has a foundation that not only holds the performing arts camp but has > also become a vehicle for raising money for cancer research, the Twin Towers > fund, and AIDS prevention. She is also a spokesperson for the Starlight > Foundation. > > She may not have very much talent, but for a 21 year old, she has managed to > not only avoid the dangerous and deadly pitfalls that befall so many young > celebrities, but she also maintains a vision for herself and, despite > popular belief, is not a puppet. > > B > > n.p.: Denver at Oakland (The Indy game was a nailbiter!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:19:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc mack, my last two mails to you bounced. now i understand why! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:33:00 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc Excuse me everybody...but Mack.. I have tried to send you several e-mails and they come back. "(I could understand if you were AOL) love you... Bree HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!! Have relocated and now have cable hookup for the computer which is great but >it has caused me great grief with the email. Have responded to numerous >posts-to bob, brenda, colin- and nothing would show up. Finally, it >worked. >I felt cut off. eeekkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't do without the jmdl. Now >isn't >that something? > >love, mack _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:00:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 2 On December 2 the following articles were published: 2001: "A Trip to the Past" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=697 2002: "Joni Mitchell Hopes To Release Documentary About New Album in 2003" - Launch.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1028 2002: "Tastemaker savors success" - Variety (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1039 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:00:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 2 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 1980: Joni's "Shadows And Light" concert special aired on Showtime TV. 1987: Rolling Stone had a 20th anniversary TV special which aired on ABC and Joni talked at a few points during the program. Also shown was a bit of rare footage of Joni singing "Woodstock" on the Tom Jones Show in 1969. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:18:56 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Warner future njc Brenda wrote: > > So what is this? The "big 5" are going to be the "big 3"? The "big 2"? > > There will likely still be 5 when 2004 begins, only 4 when 2004 ends and > down to 3 by 2005. That's my guess. > > This is all whiskey in the wound in my view. Yeah, it stings like hell > right now and will look pretty ugly, but it'll heal eventually. > lol...thanks for the lowdown!! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #597 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)