From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #596 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 596 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- In defense of Last Chance Lost ["Russell Bowden" ] here NOW Patty Griffin njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Charlie Hayden njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Poll results - warning: this email may put you to sleep [Jenny Goodsp] Re: Favorites - Jenny's&Bob's blended way [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: In defense of Last Chance Lost [Steve Polifka ] Re: Was Art for Art's Sake...soon Social impact of corporatization njc [B] Re: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Charlie Haden njc ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Re: (NJC) December 1 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Colin's recovery, NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Charlie Haden njc ["Music Is Special" ] Re: (NJC) December 1 [Steve Polifka ] RE: Art for Art's sake....the music industry cesspool NJC ["Sherelle Smit] Re: Colin's recovery, NJC [tantra-apso ] Re: Colin's recovery, NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Colin's recovery, NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Stoltz hits the airwaves! [Michaelpaz@aol.com] NJC Ani's latest [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Ani's latest - and (audio) intimacy issues ["Lori Fye" Subject: In defense of Last Chance Lost Gang, I guess I'm one of the very few who likes 'Last Chance Lost'.....and here's why.... The first time I heard this song, the first thing I thought of was what a great 'chanteuse' number this would make. I can hear Rosemary Clooney, Ella Fitzgerald, any of the current cabaret artists (Marcovicci (sp?), Weslia, Diane Krall, Azure Mc Call (Hi Bob, LG).....and as for the guys, Tony Bennett, Sinatra......get the drift? This song just proves yet again what an incredible composer Our Queen really is. This is so far away from her usual...(as if anything she does is usual) style.....A really terrific number...and I love the performance on TI. The bitterness and resignation in the lyrics and delivery go right to my heart. Just a few words in the defense of what could have been a classic jazz lieder standard if it had been written 50 years ago. She's timeless, folks! I'd like to also stick up for the Tenth World. That whole 'side' (LP-wise) Otis & Mar, 10th World and Dreamland make up a beautiful and seamless 'suite' if you will. If anything on the FABULOUS DJRD needs to go it's Talk to Me.......Sure, it's amusing, clever, etc....but it's the one I always skip. My 2 clams. Aloha from Waikiki, Russ (Coco Nutz) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:28:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake...the music industry cesspool njc Brenda, as you know I have always learned something from what you have to say...your last couple of posts have been in response to something I have had to say so I guess I should respond... >Maybe it's the fact that so many of my friends are losing their jobs, that I'm compelled to disagree with this statement and to challenge the other pejorative remarks I've read over the last few days ("industry publicity hacks," "shutting up (or pissing off) the suits," "the cesspool that is today's music industry," "like a stagnant pond," on and on.) It's easy to vilify the music industry because companies are mostly only talked about when things go wrong - not when they go right. If you are a critic of the music industry, what or who exactly is the "music industry" to you? What exactly is the record company influence?< I know lots of people who are loosing their jobs in many industrys (among other things) so I understand how this hits home... >To me, the music industry isn't just artists, major record labels and label employees; it is club owners, talent bookers, publicists, promoters, mix engineers, graphic designers, bartenders, agents, lighting designers, tour managers, songwriters, publishers, journalists, studio managers, independent labels (who need the majors to exist for their own survival), travel agents, producers and yes, even lawyers : ), but also so many more. A small few are crooks and thieves. Most just love music and NEED to be around it.< To many people the music industry is the majors...the majors aren't what they used to be...i forget which label it is that was bought by seagrams...in so many ways it is no longer about music at the corporate level...i have lots of friends who have worked in the music industry for the love of music & a paltry salary...some great perks of course but a job that can end at any moment... >No one starts or keeps a record company only to make a profit. It is one of the worst investments in the business world. Your products (and return) are dependent upon people who would, in many cases, be late for their own funerals. On the major label level, your chance of success (read: profit) on each release is abysmal (somewhere under 2% by some estimates). Does anyone really think that Edgar Bronfman wants to buy Warner Music because of profit potential? The guy is a music lover.< I don't know if there is any one reason why people start or keep a record company...i supose it is as individual as the person...having worked in many kinds of businesses I can say that there are people who would be late for their own funeral in each one...i cringe at the perpetuation of the myth of the flaky musician (not that some are...its just that many others are too) >I didn't work 6 hours at night, five days a week as a contract paralegal, to support my assistant's job at a label during the day because I was thinking of some big pay day. I did it despite the arguments that I was squandering my college education. I did it because I love music. Because in the first month, I heard demos from Arrested Development, Smashing Pumpkins and Spearhead. < I have friends just like you...btw, I loved arrested development...when you mentioned hip hop in another post they are the ones who jumped to mind... >I am not alone. I'm hooked on music. And the people I know who work (or have worked) in record companies are the same way - some started at the counters of record stores, some collected ASCAP money from bars in Queens, some started their own punk bands, some did 2am shows on college radio and some (like me) did a combination of these things - all because they love music.< Ascap has a very bad rep- with mafia like practices...sorry you have friends that found themselves collecting money from venues cuz that must be a horrible job...the PRO's in this country are unethical....sorry its more complicated than that but that is my 2 cents worth resopnse...would you like to hear what its like on the end of things with people who love music who have venues & hire musicians who play their own songs & are harrassed out of business because of ascap? How about all the musicians who can't find a place to play because of these practices? >The music industry in general and the recording industry specifically, have problems right now. Although it is a complex situation, I attribute the recording industry's problems, not to downloading or burning, but to Wall Street (that includes the mutual funds that are in so many 401k's). The demands for quarterly (and monthly) results from the financial markets are driving the major label business (A&R, artist development and marketing), instead of the unpredictable, unschedulable creative process. A process that has been fought for by many of the people who are viewed as villains.< I agree, the accountants & lawyers have taken over decisions that should not be in their hands...this hit home with me tonight as I had to read over a legal contract for a creative industry (not music)... Yuck. >There are very few people who work at labels who are happy with things as they are. I don't know any. But they have to wait it out until the end of the cycle, when companies will become private again (if they can make it that long) or when independents (like A&M, Def Jam, Island or Virgin) will emerge and the industry will be revitalized. If you made it this far, thanks for reading.> I appreciate your thoughts, I've always respected your opinions...i think its bigger than music...corporate greed is being given so much freedom & the individuals are not being honored... Its late & I am not all that coherent...i have hope that things will change...i have faith in everyday people but at the top there are people who are making money off the everyday people...HELLO! Look at the laws being legislated...i will send another post that will express how I feel about current affairs & our possiblities as humans in my next post... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:31:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: ghandi's way njc Gandhi's Way 1. We must commit to a single standard of conduct for both our public and private lives. Our lives are our message. Leadership by example is not only the most persuasive but also the most enduring form of leadership. 2. We must commit to the absolute values of truth and non-violence. Gandhi understood and practiced non-violence, including protection of the environment, assisting the poor and ending discrimination towards all. 3. We must do and say what we believe is right. Gandhi used public vows to impose discipline on himself to maintain commitment. 4. We must reduce attachments. When Gandhi entered public life, he asked himself what was necessary "to remain absolutely untouched by immorality, by untruth, by what was known as personal gain?" His answer-reduce attachments to possessions and money. 5. We must minimize secrecy. "Secrecy is a sin and a symptom of violence," wrote Gandhi. We must be willing to stand scrutiny. A commitment to minimize secrecy forces us to consider the consequences of our actions and provides discipline that helps us stay on track. 6. We must focus on responsibilities, not rights. A society driven by responsibilities is oriented toward service, democracy, compassion and progress. A society driven by rights is oriented toward acquisition, confrontation, and advocacy. 7. We must make decisions and take action in a moral way. The values of truth and non-violence must apply to both ends and means. When our strategy includes a commitment to moral principles, it commands the respect of our opponents and decreases ill will that can exist. 8. We must maintain integrity in the decision process. We must commit to openness in the decision making process. That includes maintaining clear simple lines of responsibility. THE ESSENTIAL QUALITY IS COURAGE! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SunbeamsRus-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:43:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: here NOW Patty Griffin njc Yes her label was bought out...she didn't like that happened in production & was grateful that they let her release her demos...that is the short version from what I have read in her interviews... >If I remember correctly, A&M was very good to her until it was folded into Interscope and key players were terminated. Of course, there are varying versions of what happened with the Lanois produced record: 1) that the label rejected it because it had lost the immediacy of the demos and 2) that even though she didn't want to remake the record, she acknowledged that it wasn't really a good representation of who she was and wanted to put out the demos instead. Even talking to my friends who worked there at the time, it still seems unclear. > >A&M actually had a nice artist development story going with her and it's a shame the consolidation got the better of the situation. I know the original folks who signed her at A&M cared a lot about her success and truly believed in her.> I am sure many loved her- how could you not?, it's the consolidation that crushed her (but not in the long run) >I think she may have toured with the Dixie Chicks as well. So I don't think it's from lack of exposure that she's not a household name. Some work just takes a little more studied effort to appreciate. A blessing and a curse.> She did tour with them , & yes she created blessing from a curse...got dropped (silver bell) went & recorded over a weekend or some short time & recorded 1,000 kisses which is IMO awesome... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:18:35 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Charlie Hayden njc Haden may have recorded long ago with Denny Zeitlin; I don't remember with certainty. He may have his own website. You probably know he was Ornette Coleman's bass player when that group first played the East Coast and recorded for Atlantic, in the early 60s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Poll results - warning: this email may put you to sleep Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: Possibly, but the problem is that the percentages you would get that way would be a function of album size - Tlog has 22 songs, while, Mingus has only 6, Hejira has 9 and LOTC 12 and Miles of Aisles has 18. Yes, that was gnawing at me too - particularly with Mingus. But your calculation of the binomial standard deviation also is affected by album size, yes? I'm still getting at the passionate favorites within albums - since the percentage is within album. I used the mean and standard deviation across albums to get around the low reliability inherent in calculating mean and SD by album. But yes, it's possible, as in the case of Travelogue that no song will be identified as an outlier - and to me this is okay because results for T'log are so evenly distributed - there really isn't a standout favorite. So Bob, let me confess, i just suck at probability theory. I have only ever seen calculations for binomial means/variance etc. in relation to single events. Can you explain how you apply to this situation (off list for the sake of everyone else!)? I can see your formula (thanks for the spreadsheet), but can't make the leap. Jenny So, I do not think your approach would work, unless I am misunderstanding what you would do. I agree with you about the outliers, and using my approach, am in process of identifying the outliers with regard to the binomial distribution standard deviation, which I suspect is a better way of getting at the degree of "outlierness" than the survey sample standard deviation (which I have also computed). For example, You Dream Flat Tires only got 4 votes out of 32 on TLOG (for 12.5 %), but was tied for the top vote getter, and was slighter over 2 binomial standard deviations from the mean number (because an 'average' percentage for that album was less than 5%). On the other hand, Coyote got 5 votes out of 44 for Hejira, or about 11%, but that was barely average for the group (i.e., essentially 0 binomial standard deviations from the mean, even though it got about the same percentage as YDFT, since 'average' for Hejira, with only 9 songs, is 11.1 %). Using a blend of your approach and mine, I could list the songs with the largest number of binomial standard deviations from their album's mean over the entire catalogue, and find the outliers that way. I will post that result when I am done, to find the "passionate favorites" within the various albums - though that (as Bob Muller rightly pointed out) is not at all the same as finding the favorite songs accross Joni's catalogue - since the poll was not designed to do that at all. Bobsart I will summarize some more observations over the next few days, for fun and comment. Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:49:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites - Jenny's&Bob's blended way In a message dated 12/1/2003 12:50:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bobsart48 writes: > Now we're talking. (Maybe we should burn this double CD and send it to Joni as the JMDL's "Favorites" - Hmmmmmm - what do you say, Bob Muller ? Put a little artwork on the cover, > and all that.........?). Well, I'm not sure that Joni needs a 2-CD set of her own released stuff, but looking at that tracklist it would truly be an amazing compilation. Bob NP: Elvis C, "Sneaky Feelings" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:55:39 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: In defense of Last Chance Lost Russ, Ditto! Ditto! The first time I heard LCL I said to myself- Finally! Hearing Joni just let out a wail of emotion and let her voice float upon just a few words was chilling... She really distilled the break up down to a few lines. She was more private about this one than with any other relationship she had experienced. Or is it what wasn't said that is just as important? Steve At 12:54 AM 12/1/2003 -0800, Russell Bowden wrote: >Gang, > >I guess I'm one of the very few who likes 'Last Chance Lost'.....and >here's why.... > >The first time I heard this song, the first thing I thought of was what a >great 'chanteuse' number this would make. I can hear Rosemary Clooney, >Ella Fitzgerald, any of the current cabaret artists (Marcovicci (sp?), >Weslia, Diane Krall, Azure Mc Call (Hi Bob, LG).....and as for the guys, >Tony Bennett, Sinatra......get the drift? This song just proves yet >again what an incredible composer Our Queen really is. This is so far >away from her usual...(as if anything she does is usual) style.....A >really terrific number...and I love the performance on TI. The >bitterness and resignation in the lyrics and delivery go right to my >heart. > >Just a few words in the defense of what could have been a classic jazz >lieder standard if it had been written 50 years ago. She's timeless, >folks! > >I'd like to also stick up for the Tenth World. That whole 'side' >(LP-wise) Otis & Mar, 10th World and Dreamland make up a beautiful and >seamless 'suite' if you will. If anything on the FABULOUS DJRD needs to >go it's Talk to Me.......Sure, it's amusing, clever, etc....but it's the >one I always skip. My 2 clams. > >Aloha from Waikiki, > >Russ (Coco Nutz) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some >good bets ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:21:03 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Charlie Haden njc At 12/1/2003 12:15 AM, mike pritchard wrote: > >>Hey, quick question - does anybody here know anything about Charlie Haden? >I heard a couple of songs lately on CBC Radio and I am blown away. Any >suggestions as to a good sampler of his work?<< He's worked with many people over the years. Jan Garbarek, Keith Jarrett, Ornette Coleman, Pat Metheny, Rickie Lee Jones, Ginger Baker, Bill Frisell, and many more. Some of my faves he's played on: Rickie Lee Jones - Pop Pop Ginger Baker Trio Under the Missouri Sky w/Pat Metheny (as mentioned by Mike) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 07:53:27 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Was Art for Art's Sake...soon Social impact of corporatization njc on 12/1/03 1:28 AM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > Brenda, as you know I have always learned something from what you have > to say...your last couple of posts have been in response to something I > have had to say so I guess I should respond... Thanks for writing back. I appreciate the dialogue. > > To many people the music industry is the majors...the majors aren't what > they used to be...i forget which label it is that was bought by > seagrams...in so many ways it is no longer about music at the corporate > level...i have lots of friends who have worked in the music industry for > the love of music & a paltry salary...some great perks of course but a > job that can end at any moment... > If the music industry is the majors, then what is everything outside of the majors? I agree that the majors aren't what they used to be. The trouble I have is defining where that corporate level is for which, it is no longer about music. From my experience, that level is above the record companies themselves. It is in the bigger company that owns the music group, Bertelsmann as opposed to BMG, Sony Corp as opposed to Sony Music. For them it was NEVER about music to begin with. > > I don't know if there is any one reason why people start or keep a > record company...i supose it is as individual as the person...having > worked in many kinds of businesses I can say that there are people who > would be late for their own funeral in each one...i cringe at the > perpetuation of the myth of the flaky musician (not that some are...its > just that many others are too) > I don't disagree with you about flakiness in other industries, but unfortunately, the flaky musician is not a myth. It is very real and has a very real impact on record labels. And I have to add that I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. Creative people can be wired in different ways and convention shouldn't interfere with that. But it is the unconventionality of musicians that record labels (from the smallest independent up to the biggest major) have to contend with when trying to run a business or make a profit. IMO, privately-owned labels (large or small) are in a better position to absorb the unpredictable nature of things, whereas the publicly-traded companies are expected to deliver results quarterly like GM or Intel. > > I have friends just like you...btw, I loved arrested development...when > you mentioned hip hop in another post they are the ones who jumped to > mind... You may want to check out Speech's last record, "Spiritual People." If you love the AD stuff, you like it. > > Ascap has a very bad rep- with mafia like practices...sorry you have > friends that found themselves collecting money from venues cuz that must > be a horrible job...the PRO's in this country are unethical....sorry its > more complicated than that but that is my 2 cents worth resopnse...would > you like to hear what its like on the end of things with people who love > music who have venues & hire musicians who play their own songs & are > harrassed out of business because of ascap? How about all the musicians > who can't find a place to play because of these practices? The person I know who collected for ASCAP did so many years ago. I don't think there are any people on foot doing that now. Actually, I would like to hear what it's like because that is not my experience with ASCAP. I know people there who have helped artists build there careers. And I know two of the muckety mucks very well, both of whom are highly respected people. So please email me off list as I would be glad to take these issues to them. They are the kind of people who would want to do something about it if it's still going on. I don't know anyone high enough at BMI, so I can't speak on that. > > I appreciate your thoughts, I've always respected your opinions...i > think its bigger than music...corporate greed is being given so much > freedom & the individuals are not being honored... > > Its late & I am not all that coherent...i have hope that things will > change...i have faith in everyday people but at the top there are people > who are making money off the everyday people...HELLO! Look at the laws > being legislated...i will send another post that will express how I feel > about current affairs & our possiblities as humans in my next post... I look forward to reading your next post because I'm almost certain we will find places where we don't agree. (Looking at everyone's scores to that political test, I believe I was the only one who scored firmly in that lower right box. Just me and Milton Friedman!) I think that being publicly-traded isn't right for recorded music companies because of the nature of their product cycle. But it is right for many other businesses. More later on that. BTW, are you on the Future of Music Coalition mailing list? If not, I highly recommend checking it out: http://www.futureofmusic.org/ Happy Monday, B n.p.: Morning Edition ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:02:48 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC Dear Colin, Again, I feel that Jim has some excellent advice. I know how you feel Colin. A few years ago, I had a heart cauterization which revealed I had a 25% blockage in one of my artieries. All I kept hearing is, "It's just a 25% blockage" from the doctors (good ones mind you!) and nothing was given to me. The surgeon told me I needed to start worrying when it got to be 60%. I am a firm believer in preventive medicine so this whole thing has been difficult. I now have a doctor who feels an urgency to get all of this checked out again because of having type two diabetes as well. It's been a few years, so I am afraid of what they might find, but it needs to be done. Colin, when someone slaps a name on a disease and gives it to you, it's very frightening. With diabetes, the problem lies within the blood vessels which affects every part of the body. I have to fight something called "Syndrome X". Syndrome X will cause my kidneys to fail, my sight to leave me, my blood pressure to go up, my heart to have disease, my digestive organs to malfunction, my pancreas to cease functioning, my limbs to develop neuropathy and my circulation to cease leading to gangrene and possible amputation. This is why a lot of diabetics suffer from depression. Sometimes, it can just be too much to take. Every time I cut myself (especially on my feet), I panic. Diabetes also causes sleep apnea (which is also no fun and something I just found out about). I guess the point I'm trying to make is that both of us can survive this. We have to take it one day at a time and not think of ourselves as having one foot in the grave already. Thoughts like that can take their toll on you. We have to learn to live with a disease now. Anyone who has ever battled a major life threatening disease like cancer can attest to this. Even though you have a disease, it's important to focus on living instead of dying. There are thousands of people walking around undiagnosed with no idea of the status of their health. The only difference between us and them is the fact that we know our condition and they do not. Tomorrow is never promised to anyone, healthy or not. All things considered, I think we all have the same odds for making it another day. I believe that there is always hope and the medical breakthroughs are coming at a steady pace. We know more today about the human heart than we ever did. That's encouraging so hang in there Colin and seek the best medical attention you can. Fight for yourself and for your health and we will be there holding you up all the way. Love, Sherelle >From: >To: tantra-apso ,Sherelle Smith > >CC: , >Subject: Re: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:55:06 -0500 > >I don't know how you feel about getting advice on the internet. I know I >wouldn't act on it. Anyway, two medical dictionary web sites said that CHD >stands for EITHER of these two things: > >1. "C" in "CHD" stands for "Congenital", and the root word is "genetic". >As a dog breeder, I'm sure you know what that means: a birth defect in >your heart. "CHD" covers tonnes of stuff. You could live to be 95, and >die of something completely unrelated to CHD. That wouldn't be too bad. > >This web site: >http://tinyurl.com/x0v4 >said > >Congenital heart disease is the most frequent form of major birth defects >in newborns affecting close to 1% of newborn babies (8 per 1,000).> > >2. BUT some people use "CHD" to mean "coronary heart disease" which means >nothing more than there's something wrong with your heart right now. >Neither of these mean much by themselves and neither one is a guarantee of >an early burial. Either one is probably a guarantee of lots more doctor >visits, perferably with a caridologist. You're lucky you have socialized >medicine. You're also lucky they diagnosed it and that you're fighting it >in the 21st century. > >Back to work, >Lama > > > From: tantra-apso > > thanks Sherelle. > > You know, it only occurred to me today to wonder if this is healable. i > > rather just assumed once you had CHD you had it for life, however long > > that may be. Anyone know if it can become normal again? > _________________________________________________________________ From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, youll find a range of helpful holiday info here. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:27:49 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Today in History: December 1 My first time seeing Joni in concert! It was incredible, and all I was thinking was why hadn't I seen her before, seeing as how important she was in my life. Wish I could remember the set-list. Do remember that she looked fabulous. Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting ljirvin@jmdl.com: > 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, > performed today at the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:34:24 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Depression: Coping Skills, njc Lama wrote: > Here are some more JMDL-powered coping skills to survive depression: > > * Be willing to call in professional help if things start feeling > truly hopeless > * Take a hot, hot, hot shower or soak your feet in hot water > * Eat something, especially protein and some complex carbs, even > if you don't feel hungry Jim, it's interesting (or typically synchronous) that you should bring this up today, of all days -- considering what began this conversation 3 months ago, and the post I've been planning, which will follow. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:36:52 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) December 1 Today is Andrea's 50th birthday, and it's been almost exactly 3 months since her passing. For those of you who are new to the JMDL, Andrea was a member of this community for too short a time. I've been working on a fitting tribute to Andrea, and although it's not absolutely complete and still needs to be posted on jmdl.com, I would like to share it with all of you today. The following link will open a Word document, and -- for those of you who may not be able to access it -- I'll follow with an html file later this afternoon. http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/andrea.doc Happy birthday, Andrea. May you be peaceful and smiling, always. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:51:29 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Charlie Haden njc I also liked his album Quartet West where he played with Billy Higgins, etc. Haden is also married to jazz singer Ruth Cameron. Ruth is more of a saloon singer who prefers the repertoire of the singers in the era of cool. Joe in Chapel Hill Quoting Les Irvin : > At 12/1/2003 12:15 AM, mike pritchard wrote: > > >>Hey, quick question - does anybody here know anything about > Charlie Haden? > >I heard a couple of songs lately on CBC Radio and I am blown away. > Any > >suggestions as to a good sampler of his work?<< > > He's worked with many people over the years. Jan Garbarek, Keith > Jarrett, > Ornette Coleman, Pat Metheny, Rickie Lee Jones, Ginger Baker, Bill > Frisell, > and many more. > > Some of my faves he's played on: > > Rickie Lee Jones - Pop Pop > Ginger Baker Trio > Under the Missouri Sky w/Pat Metheny (as mentioned by Mike) > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:58:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) December 1 It is just wonderful, Lori. She was lucky to have you as a friend. Jerry > Today is Andrea's 50th birthday, and it's been almost exactly 3 months > since her passing. For those of you who are new to the JMDL, Andrea > was a member of this community for too short a time. > > I've been working on a fitting tribute to Andrea, and although it's not > absolutely complete and still needs to be posted on jmdl.com, I would > like to share it with all of you today. > > The following link will open a Word document, and -- for those of you > who may not be able to access it -- I'll follow with an html file later > this afternoon. > > http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/andrea.doc > > Happy birthday, Andrea. May you be peaceful and smiling, always. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:22 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC those of you who know me well know that i typically embrace all things that are bad for me with a religious fervor. i have shouted many times, from the valleys and the mountaintops and all points between, of the joys of diet mountain dew, which is surely what the gods sip. i *keep* one going all day long. it's literally the first thing i reach for each morning. the vending machine company in the office added it to the machines just for me, and aren't losing money on their decision to do so. i found out yesterday that livers HATE aspartame. since the medication for my multiple sclerosis isn't too fond of livers, either, and since your liver cleanses your whole freakin' earthly vessel, i suppose i'm done with diet mountain dew. yesterday was a very sad day, and today isn't much better, with no friendly silver and green cans shining on my desk. my liver *better* be happy. c |---------+---------------------------> | | "Lama, Jim | | | L'Hommedieu" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | owner-joni@jmdl.| | | com | | | | | | | | | 11/30/2003 10:36| | | AM | | | Please respond | | | to "Lama, Jim | | | L'Hommedieu" | | | | |---------+---------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "_JMDL" | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I kicked Diet Coke. For about 15 years I've been drinking it with lunch and dinner. While doing car repair, I had one "going" (like an alcoholic?) the whole time. This year I had an attack of "post-nasal drip" every afternoon and didn't know why. I thought about my daily routine and realized I had coffee in the morning and Diet Coke with lunch. When I cut it out, my daily phlegm attack stopped. There are a lot of horror stories about asparatame. I'm not familiar with them because they sound like hoaxes and conspiracy theories. I'm not drinking it because of my own symptoms. Make mine iced tea, please, Lama Colin said, >>AVOID ARTIFICIAL SWEETENER. Not only is it bad for you, it keeps your desire for sweet going and in some people still causes an insulin release and thus stalls weight loss.>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:21:58 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Charlie Haden njc check out Steal Away with Hank Jones wherein they do 14 old spirituals and hymns eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:48:42 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: (NJC) December 1 At 08:36 AM 12/1/2003 -0800, Lori Fye wrote: >Today is Andrea's 50th birthday, and it's been almost exactly 3 months >since her passing. >Happy birthday, Andrea. May you be peaceful and smiling, always. > >Lori > > Hi Lori, This weekend marks exactly one year since my friend Frank committed suicide, from an overdose of meds. I think of him often, and hope he too, has found peace. Since I had only corrosponded with Andrea maybe once, I didn't know her as well as you, or others on the list, but I'm feeling your pain, sister-friend. All we can do is love them from a distance... Hugs to you, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:01:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Art for Art's sake....the music industry cesspool NJC Dear Brenda, I guess I'm getting confused when I see and hear The Dixie Chicks, The Eagles and Sheryl Crow speaking against the major labels for artist's rights . We just had a concert here in D.C. with the Dixie Chicks and the Eagles and all of the proceeds (I think) went to Artist's Rights. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the name of the actual organization is RAC (Recording Artists Coalition) I remember reading about them and trying to understand where they were coming from. I understood them as saying that what they were fighting for would not affect them, but would affect up and coming artists. That's where things got a little fuzzy. I guess my point is that some recording artist are projecting an image of unfairness on the part of the music recording industry when maybe Wall Street is really to blame. Hmmm.... Sherelle Brenda wrote: "The music industry in general and the recording industry specifically, have problems right now. Although it is a complex situation, I attribute the recording industry's problems, not to downloading or burning, but to Wall Street (that includes the mutual funds that are in so many 401k's). The demands for quarterly (and monthly) results from the financial markets are driving the major label business (A&R, artist development and marketing), instead of the unpredictable, unschedulable creative process. A process that has been fought for by many of the people who are viewed as villains." _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:13:29 +0000 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC Cynthia Vickery wrote: >those of you who know me well know that i typically embrace all >things that are bad for me with a religious fervor. >i have shouted many times, from the valleys and the mountaintops >and all points between, of the joys of diet mountain dew, which >is surely what the gods sip. > > till i read further, i ahd no idea what you were talking about, not relaisng 'diet mountain dew' was a drink! Fortunately, I have always hated the taste of articial sweeteners. Yukky yukky stuff. ick. I persuaded John a hwile ago now, to stop drinikng th diet stuff. I'd rather he stopped drinking ti altogether but he switched to the normal suagr crap. Still, he is skinny.... A firnd of mine has MS. She got is years ago and was quite bad then it seemd to retreat and you wouldn;t know she has it. She still has trouble of course but in her mid 50's is doing very well. Another aquaintance has it and is in a wheelchair. Terrible disease and I am so sorry to rread you ahve it. Ihave lived one day at a time for ages. it relievs much stress. Doesn;t necessairly make one happier or live more fully-that comes with other changes in attitude. I firmly believe that depression/mania can be overcome with hard work my ones self but also believe one needs the true love of others as support or your own work will not take you far enough. At elast that is my experince. Withou the love of others, I'd have died long ago. In fact, the only reason I didn't end it was because I couldn't do that to those who loved me. I wanted to, for many years, itr was all i thought about. Thankfully, in my despair I was still atuned to the fact others suffered too and that kept me from tipping over the edge. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:16:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC > i found out yesterday that livers HATE aspartame. since the > medication for my multiple sclerosis isn't too fond of livers, > either, and since your liver cleanses your whole freakin' > earthly > vessel, i suppose i'm done with diet mountain dew. This is why too much knowledge can be a bad thing, Cindy. I mean, just think about it in common sense terms: Diet - in it's simplest form, it's something we ALL have. And if we have to go on a *special* one, that requires discipline, which is also a good thing. Mountain - Probably the most obvious sign of God's grandeur in his creation, plus they're very patriotic, what with the purple mountain majesties & all that. Dew - Water, pure & simple...but more than that, it's nature's purest way of signaling the birth of a new day. So when you put them all together...Diet-Mountain-Dew...how could it be bad? That aspartame-liver thing is just some urban legend I think. So kick back & do the dew, Cindy-bear...and no need to thank me, I get my joy from helping others! Bob NP: Elvis C, "The Flirting Kind" PS: Next thing you know they'll be saying something crazy like "M & M's are bad for you!!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:14:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Colin's recovery, NJC Dear Colin, First of all, I am extremely relieved to hear about your visit to the doctor! Hooray!!! I was reading a previous post of yours detailing how you succeeded in a low carb, high protein diet (correct me if I'm wrong) so I know you can beat this. Unfortunately, I've never been successful in the diet department. Although I try to maintain my calories to a decent level, the best I have accomplished is maintaining my weight. I'll take that as a small victory and try to move on to walking away from those fresh baked goodies and those starches. I will say that I am doing much better eating dark green vegetables. My favorite is spinach. I cook it in chicken broth to give it a better taste and to avoid the butter. It's delicious! Thank you for your vote of confidence concerning my health. It's hard to think of myself as sick when so many others in our group have battled much worse. I am 45 as well and it is a weird age to be. It seems like 40-45 is considered the 40's and 46-50 are considered the 50's in my mind-how weird. I just pray that my life really begins at 50! Health is the only thing that gets in the way. I resented being alive too so I understand completely how you feel. We are definitely survivors! Love, Sherelle > >Dear Sherelle-I ahve known for a long time how bad diabetes can be. I am >sorry you are dealing with it but glad you seem to be doing so well. >I ahd a bad weekend. I was not well Saturday night and put it down to me >being anxious. I was worse last night and had to have the dr out. I have >been taken off the calcium channel blocker. It was that making ill. Making >my heart race and casuing sweats and dizziness. Glad I called the dr and >didn't just berate myself for being 'anxious'. It is a known problem with >this drug. I feel much better today and I guess pleased that i didn't allow >the weekends problem to snowball into full out panic. >I had to go see my own dr today and got a better explanation as to what is >wrong. First off, not as bad as I was left to believe at first. Sometimes >dr's forget us lay people don't use words the way they do. Anyway, what i >was told was reversible does not mean that I can have arteries that go back >to normal. It emans my arteries are not permanently narrowec-they narrow >for a few seconds and go bakc to normal. that si what they eman by >reversible. I also found out that many people have this and do not know. As >I ahve no symtoms whatsoever, had it not been for my spine casuing pain, >they wouldn't have known I have this heart thing. So really it isn't as bad >as it could be. I still have to watch it, stay on the beta blockers and >asprin and continue to lose the weight. > >You are right life is for living and this year has really shown me thsat. >NONE of us know when our time will come to move on. Living NOW is what it >is about. > >MY dear MG's situation really puts it all into perspective. > >I am 45 soon. My partner has been a bit negaitve about his age. Whereas I >think I am and he are bloody lucky to reach this age. Millions don't. Many >don't get a day of life. As I say the alternative to being 45 is not good. >(although I don't see death as the end, but i have a lot I want to do now >that i am together enough to do them. For many years, about 40, I resented >being alive. now I love it.) > >I am sure you too will continue to get as much out of life as possible. > >-- >bw colin >http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:17:34 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Stoltz hits the airwaves! [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type multipart/related] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:33:12 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Ani's latest Even though 2003's "Evolve" is still doing serious time in my cd player and is one of my top five of the year, that hasn't slowed down the ever-industrious Ms. Difranco one iota. Her new one's due out in about a month, check out music & lyrics at: http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/educated_guess/ Bob NP: Elvis C, "Poor Fractured Atlas" 5/22/96 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:21:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Ani's latest - and (audio) intimacy issues From the link Bob posted: > http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/educated_guess/ "This time around, she recorded herself at home on an old analog 8- track reel-to-reel, and the result may be her most intimate and indigenous work yet." Okay, speaking of intimate ... we've discussed this subject before, but ... Yesterday I connected the old Marantz turntable to our amp, and Mary and I spent the better part of last night listening to vinyl records with the intention of determining if any had serious flaws that would preclude them from being sold on eBay. HOWEVER ... The sound from those records was so much richer and had so much more warmth and depth, we're now discussing keeping the records because they're WAY more enjoyable to listen to than CDs! What is it about vinyl albums that makes them sound so much better? And don't those of you who are old enough to remember when vinyl records were *IT* think that today's music buyers are missing out on some of the beauty of buying and opening and playing a brand new record? The anticipation, the running of your thumbnail down the opening of the outer sleeve, the smell of new cardboard and vinyl, the ARTWORK, the liner notes and lyrics big enough to read without bifocals, the delay between Side 1 and Side 2 ... and Side 3 and Side 4, if it was a double album ... the "story" so often told by each side ... Those were the days. Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:29:30 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: JoniFest 2004/Colin/B-days/Wally >>Have any thoughts been given to a date or venue for next year's get-together? Might try and come along. Be afraid, Jonipeople, be very afraid. AMO Hey all you wonderful people, I'm catching up, have been out since last Wednesday... Amo - Ashara is making the plans for Jonifest 2004 and will be announcing it as soon as she can, I don't know the date yet, but YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY COME TO JONIFEST!! Jonifest and the JMDL changed my life and gave me a whole new set of friends! Us be afraid?? Honey you ain't seen nothin yet! Colin - sweetie you are in my thoughts and prayers, continue to take care of yourself. Wally - hope you are feeling better these days, never forget that all your bruthas & sistas here love you so much. You too are in my prayers. Happy Birthday to Jim J. & Jenny! And to anyone who's b-day I may have missed for this week, please forgive and happy day. To all of you who are writing parodies, poems and other original stuff to share here, I am collecting them into a book for the Jonifest raffle, so keep that good stuff coming!! Love to all, db This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #596 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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