From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #595 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 595 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bob's Sweet Sixteen - Part Deux [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Hejira review and thoughts on challenging artists (njc) [Murphycopy@a] BUY NOW-> "The Essential Bruce Springsteen", njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu"] female country singers, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Depression: Coping Skills, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Rickie redux (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Warner future njc [Brenda ] Re: Favorites - Jenny's&Bob's blended way [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: The Song Writers Tour NJC [Brenda ] Today in History: December 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Charlie Hayden njc ["mike pritchard" ] Subject: Hejira review and thoughts on challenging artists (njc) ["mike p] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:43:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet Sixteen - Part Deux Bob - was this your secret plan all along? Start a vast covers project to ultimately win more people over to Joni's music? Pretty sneaky! Good for you Joseph for bringing it to the party. An aside: Judd Grossman is a first class musican/songwriter and great guy. When I was starting out as a performer (in another life), I met Judd at a songwriter's circle and he was super gracious and supportive and gave me lots of free advice and would let me open for him when he came to town to play. Jenny "Joseph S.E. Palis" wrote: Bob, I brought your Sweet Sixteen cd to this party I went to yesterday and out it on the player while everyone's busy with the food and drinks. The reactions were varied, mostly enthusiastic. Most of them were quite taken by Terry Gonda's version of "Both Sides Now" (I suspect they don't really know much of Joni's repertoire and they singled her out because of song familiarity) while others liked Melissa Errico's voice. Personally, I can't get enough of Judd Grossman's "Carey" and the way his voice goes to so many musical places I wouldn't dream anyone would go to (not even Joni). I was also floored by Pam Bricker's slow-fire version of "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" which she imbues with a warm sensuality that is both irresistibly sexy and downhome cozy. Potent combination. I am checking her albums out. But the one that really made me press the repeat button was Itxaso's version of "Cherokee Louise". My first reaction was, "where did she come from?" "how come I have never heard of someone sing so sexily without prettifying the voice/sound?" I have this thing for singers singing in English with foreign inflections/accents and Itxaso zoomed right up in my list. As for my friends who listened to all the tracks in the album, the general consensus was: they didn't know Joni wrote so many beautiful songs. I don't know if that is a putdown on Joni's vocal qualities, or a wide-eyed admiration of her vast ouevre but I'd like to believe that some people that night will buy a Joni album after that. While others were interested to know what Joni albums the songs came from, others just want a "best of" Joni album. I am thrilled. Joseph in Chapel Hill (who experienced his coldest weather ever last Wednesday night with a 33) Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:29:03 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake...the music industry cesspool njc on 11/18/03 9:40 AM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > putting aside the record company influence who > definitely are only in it for the profit Maybe it's the fact that so many of my friends are losing their jobs, that I'm compelled to disagree with this statement and to challenge the other pejorative remarks I've read over the last few days ("industry publicity hacks," "shutting up (or pissing off) the suits," "the cesspool that is today's music industry," "like a stagnant pond," on and on.) It's easy to vilify the music industry because companies are mostly only talked about when things go wrong - not when they go right. If you are a critic of the music industry, what or who exactly is the "music industry" to you? What exactly is the record company influence? To me, the music industry isn't just artists, major record labels and label employees; it is club owners, talent bookers, publicists, promoters, mix engineers, graphic designers, bartenders, agents, lighting designers, tour managers, songwriters, publishers, journalists, studio managers, independent labels (who need the majors to exist for their own survival), travel agents, producers and yes, even lawyers : ), but also so many more. A small few are crooks and thieves. Most just love music and NEED to be around it. No one starts or keeps a record company only to make a profit. It is one of the worst investments in the business world. Your products (and return) are dependent upon people who would, in many cases, be late for their own funerals. On the major label level, your chance of success (read: profit) on each release is abysmal (somewhere under 2% by some estimates). Does anyone really think that Edgar Bronfman wants to buy Warner Music because of profit potential? The guy is a music lover. I didn't work 6 hours at night, five days a week as a contract paralegal, to support my assistant's job at a label during the day because I was thinking of some big pay day. I did it despite the arguments that I was squandering my college education. I did it because I love music. Because in the first month, I heard demos from Arrested Development, Smashing Pumpkins and Spearhead. I am not alone. I'm hooked on music. And the people I know who work (or have worked) in record companies are the same way - some started at the counters of record stores, some collected ASCAP money from bars in Queens, some started their own punk bands, some did 2am shows on college radio and some (like me) did a combination of these things - all because they love music. The music industry in general and the recording industry specifically, have problems right now. Although it is a complex situation, I attribute the recording industry's problems, not to downloading or burning, but to Wall Street (that includes the mutual funds that are in so many 401k's). The demands for quarterly (and monthly) results from the financial markets are driving the major label business (A&R, artist development and marketing), instead of the unpredictable, unschedulable creative process. A process that has been fought for by many of the people who are viewed as villains. There are very few people who work at labels who are happy with things as they are. I don't know any. But they have to wait it out until the end of the cycle, when companies will become private again (if they can make it that long) or when independents (like A&M, Def Jam, Island or Virgin) will emerge and the industry will be revitalized. If you made it this far, thanks for reading. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:37:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Poll Summary - "Most Favorites" "That said, I think Joni would like the idea of having each of her projects represented on a collection, don't you ?" Yes indeedy, I think she'd find it very refreshing! Bob NP: Diane Reeves, "What A Little Moonlight Can Do" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:41:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Off the Record "To have all the early unreleased pieces on 1 disc is so important to understanding Joni's musical development. GREAT JOB BOB! Its art:)" Hey David, don't thank me, thank Joni for cranking out so many great songs early on...and also thanks to you in encouraging me to put this set together...it's a nice way to get all the unreleased stuff I have on 1 cd instead of having it scattered over 12-15 or so. Of course I'm happy to make additional copies for anyone who's interested. Just lemme know. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:48:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet Sixteen - Part Deux "Bob - was this your secret plan all along? Start a vast covers project to ultimately win more people over to Joni's music?" Drats! They're onto my evil plan...mwah ha ha... Actually, I just had PILES of money sitting around my house and needed something to do with it, Joni covers seemed as good an idea as any. (Yeah, right!) In any event, it's been quite a thrill-ride with no end in sight. Tomorrow we'll hear all about Volume 47. Bob NP: Mary Ellen Spann, "Hallelujah, I Love Him So" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:54:44 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Snapshot of our Desert Island Joni (Most/Least) on 11/26/03 3:37 PM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > wrote: >> Now, Lama: I think the song selection and packaging >> of 'hits' and 'mis s >> es' are the two most destructive decisions she ever >> made in her long career. > .... >> >> Too bad she didn't do even a trace of marketing >> first. > > Here's my 2-cents on that. I think Joni did it > deliberately, to be ornery, and to expose people to a > wider variety of her songs than they might have heard > on a market-researched/focus-grouped version that the > suits approved. Market research and focus groups at a record company are about as rare as meetings that start on time. There just is never enough of a marketing budget to do it. I'd be surprised if any research was done on what songs to put on any Joni record. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:00:26 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake...the music industry cesspool njc > If you made it this far, thanks for reading. I did, and thank you for showing us the other side of the coin, Brenda. With appreciation, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:08:32 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Warner future The Bronfman deal could be a good thing because people will get to keep their jobs and the company will be private again, which is more supportive of how record companies need to work. The Warner catalog is the big asset so I can't imagine it going out of circulation any time soon; if anything they should work to make it more broadly available. B on 11/19/03 10:36 AM, BRYAN8847@aol.com at BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Part of a story from today's LA Times....will affect the catalog eventually, > no doubt > > Warner Music Group Tunes Up for Bidders > > Time Warner's board is moving toward a decision that could end its > three-decade run as a dominant force in the recording industry. > > > By Jeff Leeds, Times Staff Writer > > On the nation's pop charts, Time Warner Inc. turned in a command performance > this year with hits from Linkin Park, Matchbox Twenty and Simple Plan. Behind > the scenes, however, the entertainment and media giant is weighing a major > retreat from the music business. > > When Time Warner's board meets Thursday, it is expected to take up two > competing offers for pieces of Warner Music Group b and move closer toward a > momentous decision that could end the company's three-decade run as a dominant > force in the record business and accelerate the industry's move toward > consolidation. > > Since September, Time Warner has been in formal, nonexclusive talks to sell > its recorded-music division to EMI Group. The British music giant has offered > Warner about $1 billion in cash and a 20% to 25% stake in the combined > company. > > Warner also has been approached by former Seagram Co. Chief Executive Edgar > Bronfman Jr. and kids' TV mogul Haim Saban, who have teamed with a number of > private investors to offer an estimated $2.5 billion in cash for both Warner's > recorded-music and music-publishing operations. That deal would take Warner > out of the music industry completely. > > With the clock ticking before Thursday's board meeting, potential bidders have > been angling for better positions. > > Sources said Tuesday that the Bronfman group recently had tried to sweeten its > bid by offering Warner the chance to retain as much as 20% of the new entity. > > Bronfman b a songwriter who has written for such stars as Celine Dion b also > has held talks with Hollywood power broker Jeff Kwatinetz and his management > company, the Firm, about a potential role in the new Warner Music structure, > according to people familiar with the matter. Sources say Bronfman, Kwatinetz > and private equity firm Thomas H. Lee Partners have been meeting quietly for > as long as six months. Representatives for Bronfman and Kwatinetz declined to > comment. > > A handful of other investors b among them New York financier Nelson Peltz and > billionaire George Soros b have expressed interest in the media giant's music > division, sources say. But Time Warner executives have indicated that they > remain focused on the offers from EMI and the Bronfman group. > > "They want to run these two horses," said one person familiar with the > situation. > > On Thursday, Time Warner's board is expected to offer Chairman Richard D. > Parsons and his management team its views on what to do with the music > division. The board's input comes at a time when the music industry is > grappling with a three-year-long sales slump. > > In a study released Tuesday, research firm Informa Media projected that global > retail sales of recorded music would fall 8.9% this year, to $28.2 billion, > amid continued unauthorized trading of music files on the Internet and > widespread copying of CDs. > > Reacting to the unprecedented downturn, DreamWorks SKG recently agreed to sell > its recorded-music business to industry leader Vivendi Universal for about > $100 million. Sony Corp. and Bertelsmann are closing in on a deal to merge > their music labels into a jointly owned venture to cut costs. > > For Warner, any move to scale back would mark a dramatic strategic shift. > > For much of the year, the company had been locked in exclusive talks with > Bertelsmann about merging their recorded-music businesses, a deal that > probably would have provided Time Warner with a 50% stake and a central > management role in what would rank as the world's second-biggest record > company. That deal collapsed over disputes about the value of each company's > recordings and other assets. > > As a result, Warner has turned to offers that would effectively mean bowing > out as a significant power in the business after a 36-year span that nurtured > the careers of such acts as Joni Mitchell, Madonna, Prince, Jimi Hendrix and > Led Zeppelin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:56:51 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira review and thoughts on challenging artists (njc) About an epiphany at Joni Fest, Big Walt writes: << we looked around the dining room at the lodge, and there were more gay people than straight at that particular moment. >> And that's not even counting the people *under* the tables! << Here are some of the artists that I like *because* they challenge me: >> I am ashamed to admit that I haven't checked out some of the people on your list, Walt, even after listening to people here rave about them for years. I think another "challenging artist" people on this list might like is Lou Reed. I have said it here before, but it usually meets with profound silence. Maybe people here only know Lou from his Velvet Underground era and think that's it and haven't listened to his stuff from the mid to late '80s and after. "Drella," which is a "concept" album he did with John Cale about Andy Warhol, goes with me to the desert island. Also, one of the non-Troys -- Muller, I think -- will KILL me when he finds out, but I read somewhere that Tom Waits is going to be in a new movie, a documentary about something, coming out in early '04. I put aside the article about 3 weeks ago, but it seems to have gone to the bottom of a pile. I will find it eventually. There was something very promising about this movie, but I have forgotten what it was. An interesting director or subject matter. Damn, it's so true -- old age is definitely not for sissies. I have no idea what I'll do when I get to be Catherine's age. --Troy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:55:44 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: BUY NOW-> "The Essential Bruce Springsteen", njc If Columbia had called this a "Box Set" it would cost at least twice as much. It's 2-CDs of the essential Springsteen plus a 3rd bonus disc of 12 unreleased tracks. Now here's where it gets weird: I bought it today for $16 at Target. The unreleased tracks are worth that alone! The 30 greatest hits on 2-CDs have been remastered. Isn't this a steal? The stores around here deeply discount stuff the first week of release. I don't know when this was released but it was on sale in today's Sunday newspaper. www.brucespringsteen.net Lama np: the bonus disc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:09:29 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: female country singers, njc I don't know jack about country but I have some clue about roots-influenced rock artists. I hate labels. If you count Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris, then you might also include The Cowboy Junkies. Their "Open" album is among their finest and certianly their rocking-est. I just ordered a Harris-Ronstadt project named after Tuscon, where Linda was raised. If you buy "TRIO" by Dolly-Linda-Emmylou, I hope you can find a remastered one. When first available, the sound was pretty awful. When all 3 of them got going on that high tremelo stuff it sounded exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like this: "ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch" Cool songs though; it's worth seeking out and it sounds good on vinyl. Dolly's greatest hits would probably be a really good place to start if you don't have any of her stuff. She was a singer-songwriter back when Willy wrote "Crazy". Stereophile liked the new one by Roseanne Cash, produced by Jon Leventhal who made Shawn Colvin's "A Few Small Repairs" sound so cool. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:31:49 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Depression: Coping Skills, njc Here are some more JMDL-powered coping skills to survive depression: * Be willing to call in professional help if things start feeling truly hopeless * Take a hot, hot, hot shower or soak your feet in hot water * Eat something, especially protein and some complex carbs, even if you don't feel hungry All the best, Lama np: Springsteen's bonus disc. I think Rose was trying to keep this to herself. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:52:15 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Depression: Coping Skills, njc In a message dated 11/30/03 10:36:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > I think Rose was trying to keep this to > herself. :) > Missing is vvs..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:54:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Subject: was alone -- here NOW Patty Griffin njc Hi brenda, its great to have you posting again! I am glad she is making some money on her songs...i think she is an amazing songwriter...& an amazing singer...it baffles me that she has had so much bad luck with the record companies with all of her talents & that she is not a household name as her voice & songs are stunning imo... >I'm sure Patty is not complaining....thanks to the Dixie Chicks she undoubtedly has acquired something new - whether it be a house, car, gear or a healthier bank account. The Chicks have covered three of her songs on two multi-platinum albums and their new DVD. Nothing to sneeze at by any stretch.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:54:44 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Poll results - warning: this email may put you to sleep Jenny replied Here's what I would do: For each song calculate the percent of favorite and least favorite votes: the denominator is the number of total votes for that album/category (fave or least). Then calculate a mean and standard deviation using the percent favorite (or least fave) for all songs (regardless of album). Identify each song that is 2 or more standard deviations above the mean for all songs in each category (fave and least). Then you get a list of outliers for her entire catalog. Possibly, but the problem is that the percentages you would get that way would be a function of album size - Tlog has 22 songs, while, Mingus has only 6, Hejira has 9 and LOTC 12 and Miles of Aisles has 18. So, I do not think your approach would work, unless I am misunderstanding what you would do. I agree with you about the outliers, and using my approach, am in process of identifying the outliers with regard to the binomial distribution standard deviation, which I suspect is a better way of getting at the degree of "outlierness" than the survey sample standard deviation (which I have also computed). For example, You Dream Flat Tires only got 4 votes out of 32 on TLOG (for 12.5 %), but was tied for the top vote getter, and was slighter over 2 binomial standard deviations from the mean number (because an 'average' percentage for that album was less than 5%). On the other hand, Coyote got 5 votes out of 44 for Hejira, or about 11%, but that was barely average for the group (i.e., essentially 0 binomial standard deviations from the mean, even though it got about the same percentage as YDFT, since 'average' for Hejira, with only 9 songs, is 11.1 %). Using a blend of your approach and mine, I could list the songs with the largest number of binomial standard deviations from their album's mean over the entire catalogue, and find the outliers that way. I will post that result when I am done, to find the "passionate favorites" within the various albums - though that (as Bob Muller rightly pointed out) is not at all the same as finding the favorite songs accross Joni's catalogue - since the poll was not designed to do that at all. Bobsart I will summarize some more observations over the next few days, for fun and comment. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:26:11 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Subject: was alone -- here NOW Patty Griffin njc Thanks Kate! If I remember correctly, A&M was very good to her until it was folded into Interscope and key players were terminated. Of course, there are varying versions of what happened with the Lanois produced record: 1) that the label rejected it because it had lost the immediacy of the demos and 2) that even though she didn't want to remake the record, she acknowledged that it wasn't really a good representation of who she was and wanted to put out the demos instead. Even talking to my friends who worked there at the time, it still seems unclear. A&M actually had a nice artist development story going with her and it's a shame the consolidation got the better of the situation. I know the original folks who signed her at A&M cared a lot about her success and truly believed in her. I think she may have toured with the Dixie Chicks as well. So I don't think it's from lack of exposure that she's not a household name. Some work just takes a little more studied effort to appreciate. A blessing and a curse. B on 11/30/03 7:54 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > Hi brenda, its great to have you posting again! I am glad she is making > some money on her songs...i think she is an amazing songwriter...& an > amazing singer...it baffles me that she has had so much bad luck with > the record companies with all of her talents & that she is not a > household name as her voice & songs are stunning imo... > >> I'm sure Patty is not complaining....thanks to the Dixie Chicks she > undoubtedly has acquired something new - whether it be a house, car, > gear or a healthier bank account. The Chicks have covered three of her > songs on two multi-platinum albums and their new DVD. Nothing to sneeze > at by any stretch.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:26:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Warner future njc > > Part of a story from today's LA Times.. > Time Warner has been in formal, nonexclusive talks to sell > > its recorded-music division to EMI Group. > > Warner also has been approached by former Seagram Co. > Chief Executive Edgar > > Bronfman Jr. > > > Reacting to the unprecedented downturn, DreamWorks SKG recently agreed to sell > > its recorded-music business to industry leader Vivendi Universal for about > > $100 million. > Sony Corp. and Bertelsmann are closing in on a deal to merge > > their music labels into a jointly owned venture to cut costs. So what is this? The "big 5" are going to be the "big 3"? The "big 2"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:51:55 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Rickie redux (njc) Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote >>Here are some of the artists that I like *because* they challenge me: >>EARLY Rickie Lee Jones (maybe the first five or six albums (through >>Satellites), but then I lost track of her, then I got ghostyhead and YUCK CITY. I know >>some people love this album, but I don't get it.) If earlier Rickie Lee Jones is your thing, then I urge you to check out her recently released masterpiece, The Evening Of My Best Day. As much as I love Pirates, etc., the new one is not just a return to form, it's hands down my favorite RLJ of all. I've already posted at length about it here so I won't repeat other than to say: just get it ... you won't be sorry. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:11:43 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Warner future njc on 11/30/03 8:26 PM, Randy Remote at guitarzan@direcpc.com wrote: >>> Part of a story from today's LA Times.. > >> Time Warner has been in formal, nonexclusive talks to sell >>> its recorded-music division to EMI Group. >>> Warner also has been approached by former Seagram Co. > >> Chief Executive Edgar >>> Bronfman Jr. > >> >>> Reacting to the unprecedented downturn, DreamWorks SKG recently agreed to >>> sell >>> its recorded-music business to industry leader Vivendi Universal for about >>> $100 million. > >> Sony Corp. and Bertelsmann are closing in on a deal to merge >>> their music labels into a jointly owned venture to cut costs. > > So what is this? The "big 5" are going to be the "big 3"? The "big 2"? There will likely still be 5 when 2004 begins, only 4 when 2004 ends and down to 3 by 2005. That's my guess. Both BMG & EMI were in a race to buy Warner Music, as the one thing that is certain is that Warner no longer wants to be in the recorded music business. Both companies would have had European regulators to get past to make the deal, unlike Bronfman who is freewheeling. The Sony & BMG merger will certainly face regulatory hurdles. There could be some spinoff of the publishing companies to make it happen (as is rumored about Warner Chappell). EMI is stuck as the odd man out and they are about to give some staff their last check, just in time for Christmas. EMI was in a merge or die situation and there is even some speculation that the parts (Capitol catalog & EMI Music Publishing) might be sold off. There was talk that they would sell their manufacturing plants, like Warner did. EMI's fiscal year ends March 31st, so there's certain to be some announcement around that time. The DreamWorks announcement is a bit of a non-event because the label was struggling terribly. It's too bad though because some great people worked there - Mo & Lenny, Michael Ostin, Michael Goldstone, etc. and artists like Rufus Wainwright, eastmountainsouth and the EELS probably won't have much of a chance at Interscope, which is where all things DreamWorks are headed. This is all whiskey in the wound in my view. Yeah, it stings like hell right now and will look pretty ugly, but it'll heal eventually. B n.p.: Roy Orbison & Friends on PBS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:50:02 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites - Jenny's&Bob's blended way Earlier, I posted the following list of 19, which produced one song from each Joni album (except for BSN, Hits and Misses). Cactus Tree Song To A Seagull I Think I Understand Clouds Conversation Ladies Of The Canyon A Case Of You Blue Judgement Of The Moon & Stars For The Roses Down To You Court and Spark Rainy Night House Miles of Aisles Don't Interrupt The Sorrow The Hissing of Summer Lawns Song For Sharon Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter DJRD The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Mingus Amelia Shadows and Light Moon At The Window Wild Things Run Fast The Three Great Stimulants Dog Eat Dog My Secret Place Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm Two Grey Rooms Night Ride Home The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) Turbulent Indigo Harlem In Havana Taming The Tiger You Dream Flat Tires Travelogue Taking the list of the 19 songs that got the most passionate "most favorite" votes among the entire survey (measured by standard deviations from the binomial mean), again excluding Hits, Misses and BSN, we get a slightly different set list: Cactus Tree Song To A Seagull Conversation Ladies Of The Canyon A Case Of You Blue Judgement Of The Moon & Stars For The Roses Down To You Court and Spark Rainy Night House Miles of Aisles Song For Sharon Hejira Hejira Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter DJRD Amelia Shadows and Light Moon At The Window Wild Things Run Fast The Three Great Stimulants Dog Eat Dog My Secret Place Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm The Beat of Black Wings Chalkmark in a Rainstorm Passion Play Night Ride Home Two Grey Rooms Night Ride Home The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) Turbulent Indigo Harlem In Havana Taming The Tiger Man From Mars Taming The Tiger For those of you who cannot see the boldface type (perhaps everyone), this list adds Hejira, Man From Mars, the Beat of Black Wings and Passion Play, while dropping Don't Interrupt the Sorrow, I Think I Understand, The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines(Mingus) and You Dream Flat Tires (Tlog). I like this revised set even better (and I bet Joni would approve, too, although there are no entries from THOSL, Mingus or Clouds on this one). Alternatively, we could simply add those 4 back in to the 19, throw in Comes Love from BSN and get a 24 song double CD of "favorites" with at least one song from each album excluding Hits and Misses. Now we're talking. (Maybe we should burn this double CD and send it to Joni as the JMDL's "Favorites" - Hmmmmmm - what do you say, Bob Muller ? Put a little artwork on the cover, and all that.........?). Cactus Tree Song To A Seagull I Think I Understand Clouds Conversation Ladies Of The Canyon A Case Of You Blue Judgement Of The Moon & Stars For The Roses Down To You Court and Spark Rainy Night House Miles of Aisles Don't Interrupt The Sorrow The Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira Hejira Song For Sharon Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter DJRD The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Mingus Amelia Shadows and Light Moon At The Window Wild Things Run Fast The Three Great Stimulants Dog Eat Dog My Secret Place Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm The Beat of Black Wings Chalkmark in a Rainstorm Passion Play Night Ride Home Two Grey Rooms Night Ride Home The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) Turbulent Indigo Harlem In Havana Taming The Tiger Man From Mars Taming The Tiger Comes Love Both Sides Now You Dream Flat Tires Travelogue Bobsart (Believe it or not, more to come later). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:06:45 -0800 From: Brenda Subject: Re: The Song Writers Tour NJC on 11/17/03 11:53 PM, BRIANASYMES@aol.com at BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: > > Dar Williams you can take the girl out of Cambridge but she still dresses > like the women at Radcliffe (Sweater, Pleated Shirt 3 inches above the knees > Hose > and Leather Boots all in earth tone colors) I gotta ask Brian: when was the last time you were in Cambridge? As a Cliffie, I do NOT resemble that remark! : ) My diploma lists both colleges, but I'm most proud to be a Radcliffe woman. Leather boots & pleated skirts though? More like levi's and Timbos..... B n.p.: kd lang - "Barefoot" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:15:21 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 1 1969: Joni performed at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:15:21 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 1 On December 1 the following articles were published: 1985: "Joni Mitchell" - Chicago Tribune (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=65 1996: "The Ambivalent Hall of Famer" - New York Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=228 2002: "Critics be damned" - Halifax Daily News (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1032 2002: "Travelogue" - Detroit Free Press (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1023 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:15:16 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Charlie Hayden njc >>Hey, quick question - does anybody here know anything about Charlie Hayden? I heard a couple of songs lately on CBC Radio and I am blown away. Any suggestions as to a good sampler of his work?<< I don't know about a sampler but his duets album with Pat Metheny 'Beyond the Missouri Sky' is a delight. His 'Liberation Orchestra' album is tougher to listen too but worth it. Other jonilistas will have more suggestions, I'm sure. mike in barcelona np - Michele Faber - Mar Vista Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:26:48 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Subject: Hejira review and thoughts on challenging artists (njc) Victor said >> I would also highly recommend "Secrets of the Beehive" which is great from beginning to end and includes the song "Forbidden Colours" from the movie "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" starring David Bowie.<< I agree with Victor on the 'Secrets of the Beehive' album; it's shorter than 'Dead Bees on a Cake' but more 'coherent' (if that's a plus). His voice is gorgeous on both. I also have an album he did with Robert Fripp called 'The First Day' which is more Fripp than Sylvian but great in its way too. Enjoy. mike in barcelona np - ani 'self evident' ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #595 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)