From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #592 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 29 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 592 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Colin's *crabs* NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] female country singers, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Poll results - warning: this email may put you to sleep ["Victor John] Re: Joni's album rankings [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: female country singers, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] njc and Beach Boys at #2 [vince ] Blue at #30 and Beach Boys at #2 [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: female country singers, njc [vince ] Re: female country singers, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: female country singers, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc and Beach Boys at #2 [David Sadowski ] Re: Statue project [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #591 -- Blue at #30 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] expensive handwriting [Randy Remote ] Re: Poll results -warning: this email may put you to sleep ["Lama, Jim L'] Who's best in Albany? NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today in History: November 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] And so once again ... [FredNow@aol.com] statistics njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] nov 29!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Colin's *crabs* NJC i missed colin's tips on low carb diets. can someone resend them? wally, trying to find the cheapest way to eat, save money and maybe look better to boost ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:02:42 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: female country singers, njc Since I'm running out of rock female singers to listen to, I find myself liking country these days for the 1st time. Just ordered Alison Krauss, Emmylou Harris and Suzy Bogguss (who also covers "Comes Love"). Any fans out there who can suggest more great voices? Also, I'm usually not a big fan of covers (except Bob's famous frisbees). However, I heard several cuts from Cindy Lauper's new CD "At Last" (Makin' Whoopee, Don't let me be Misunderstood) and found the renditions very personal and moving. So that's in the mail too. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:02:51 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Poll results - warning: this email may put you to sleep Why was the vote so low, I wonder ? I think it is possible that there are simply not that many active members at the current time. Can Les do a count of how many different JMDl'ers have posted to the list in, say, the last month ? Isn't this an interesting enough survey to get a high response rate (or maybe Bob M did get a relatively high response rate after all) ? I was aware of the survey, considered responding, and then decided that I would prefer to just enjoy listening to Joni Mitchell and not try to pick favorite songs...I like them all and prefer to just leave it at that. Lately I've really been getting into the early seventies Stevie Wonder, and trying to learn new songs from those albums. My favorites this week have been "Think of Me as Your Soldier" and "Superwoman(Where Were You When I Needed You)." On November 25th, it was the 29th anniversary of the passing away of Nick Drake. Next year it will have been thirty years-seems hard to believe. I was just listening to Tom Waits "Alice" a great album for a cold winter night. I just put on Def Leppard, which I haven't listened much since I bought their album in 1984 or their abouts...interestingly enough, the same engineer, Mike Shipley, worked with both Def Leppard and Joni Mitchell. On December 18th, the Return of the King opens in theatres across the country. The song "Master of the Ring" is featured on my cd, Parsonage Lane, and was inspired by the LoTR. I hope to get it to Peter Jackson eventually as I think he would really dig it. I recently attended a screening of "The Barbarian Invasion" directed by Denys Arcand, from Montreal. Afterwards, I met the director and listened to him answer questions. It is an incredible film, about a man coming to terms with his imminent death, and being reunited with his estranged son and several other friends from throughout his life. I'm not sure how I ended up talking about movies but I guess I naturally shy away from surveys of any kind. So what's everyone's favorite Def Leppard song??? Mine is "Putting on the Heartbreak". Victor, full of contradictions. NP: Def Leppard Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:05:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's album rankings One of the Bobs -- Bobsart -- writes: << have any of you ever seen words like this written about anyone else or his/her work ? "Understand: Once and for all, understand: Joni Mitchell is not a folk singer. She is a contemporary musician/poet/singer far ahead of and far apart from the contemporary scene. >> That is cool, Bob. And a great description of Herself. Still, the most over-the-top praise for a musician by a critic in my lifetime must be, "I have seen the future of rock and roll and his name is Bruce Springsteen." --Troy, digesting like a madman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:16:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: female country singers, njc "Any fans out there who can suggest more great voices?" I'm guessing you're already into Lucinda & Me'Shell...they keep getting better & better. Shelby Lynne is also a favorite if you haven't picked up any of her stuff yet. Bob NP: Led Zep, "Wearing & Tearing" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:25:39 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc and Beach Boys at #2 PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >I personally prefer "Surf's Up", which >I feel is much more complex (with Van Dyke Parks' input) although it's quite >uneven, overall ("Student Demonstration Time" surely doesn't fit with the other >stuff. > I too am a big fan of Surf's Up - the only Beach Boy album I like - but I detest half of it. Songs like "Take a load off your feet" are nauseating. Student Demonstration Time is one of the worst all time songs ever. Then I hear Surf's Up, Til i Die, Long promised road, Feel Flows, and I am in rapture again. And why couldn't Looking at Tomorrow have better lyrics? It is so beautiful musically but the words are so 60s white-hip-down with it that it sucks big time. So I replay Feel Flows and off to heaven again. Vince NP No Doubt biggest hits or whatever it is called, Don't speak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:25:44 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Blue at #30 and Beach Boys at #2 << I know this is what 'we' always do, but I do feel #30 is not the appropriate place -- on the other hand I have much respect for most of artists/albums above Blue -- I have a problem with the # 17 for Nirvana's Nevermind and especially #2 Beach Boys. I REALLY feel - sorry sorry sorry - that Blue deserves a ranking in the top 10 and that Hejira and Court and Spark should be in the 100, but hey, it's fine. By the way, C&S is # 111 -- which is respectable as well. Have been listening to Don Juan's........ lately, which makes me so melancholic, WoW....... Paul of the Netherlands >> Hi, Paul Yeah, I wish Joni's albums were further up the list as well but it's not OUR list ;-) I must agree with your opinion regarding the Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds" at #2... I always appreciated the Beach Boys' music butbfor the life of mebI can't see why so many people rave about "Pet Sounds"... I've listened to it a number of times and just don't "get it." I personally prefer "Surf's Up", which I feel is much more complex (with Van Dyke Parks' input) although it's quite uneven, overall ("Student Demonstration Time" surely doesn't fit with the other stuff. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:29:38 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: female country singers, njc No Doubt. Gwen Stefani can sell me anything.. Vince SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >"Any fans out >there who can suggest more great voices?" > >I'm guessing you're already into Lucinda & Me'Shell...they keep getting >better & better. Shelby Lynne is also a favorite if you haven't picked up any of >her stuff yet. > >Bob > >NP: Led Zep, "Wearing & Tearing" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: female country singers, njc --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Since I'm running out of rock female singers to > listen to, I find myself > liking country these days for the 1st time. Just > ordered Alison Krauss, > Emmylou Harris and Suzy Bogguss (who also covers > "Comes Love"). Any fans out > there who can suggest more great voices? OK, these aren't all country and maybe you already have some, but here's a few: Gillian Welch Iris Dement Patty Griffin Patti Larkin October Project (a group but female lead singer) The Be Good Tanyas Grey Eye Glances (again a group, mostly female lead singing, similar to October Project, Over the Rhine and that kind of group) Julie Miller Lucy Kaplansky and you know... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: female country singers, njc --- vince wrote: > No Doubt. > > Gwen Stefani can sell me anything.. > > Vince > Yep, she's definitely got it, whatever "it" is. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:38:21 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: njc and Beach Boys at #2 Actually, I think Surf's Up is not one of their better albums, although it was certainly fairly successful. But there are several other LPs that are much better than that, including Pet Sounds, Friends, and Sunflower. I would even say that Carl and the Passions- So Tough is a much better record, Holland also... and while there are some clunkers on 20/20, it's better than Surf's Up too. The best parts of Surf's Up are the title song, Til I Die, Feel Flows and Long Promised Road. Student Demonstration Time was Mike Love's attempt to be "hip" with the counterculture crowd. Around this time the live band also covered Oakie From Muskogee (!) 90% of the best BB tunes usually are the Brian Wilson ones, though... vince wrote: > PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > >> I personally prefer "Surf's Up", which I feel is much more complex >> (with Van Dyke Parks' input) although it's quite uneven, overall >> ("Student Demonstration Time" surely doesn't fit with the other stuff. >> > I too am a big fan of Surf's Up - the only Beach Boy album I like - > but I detest half of it. Songs like "Take a load off your feet" are > nauseating. Student Demonstration Time is one of the worst all time > songs ever. > > Then I hear Surf's Up, Til i Die, Long promised road, Feel Flows, and > I am in rapture again. > > And why couldn't Looking at Tomorrow have better lyrics? It is so > beautiful musically but the words are so 60s white-hip-down with it > that it sucks big time. So I replay Feel Flows and off to heaven again. > > > Vince > NP No Doubt biggest hits or whatever it is called, Don't speak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:06:19 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Statue project Kate asked a while ago: <> I did, and e-mailed the person in charge of it a while ago to see what was up, and never got a response back. :-( Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:20:22 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #591 -- Blue at #30 Subject: Blue at #30 and Beach Boys at #2 I don't want to start some big bitter thread about sexism --- but I can't help but feel that there is some sexism at work here (after all, how could they rate one woman as highly as a group of men!). It's the same old thing Joni has mentioned so many times...looking at the artist's work in the context "female artists" rather than just looking at it for its merits. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:46:55 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: expensive handwriting Hi guys--I've been absent for awhile (too) but seeing this on ebay got me out of lurk. Anyone with an extra $2500 can have a sheet of notebook paper with Joni's handwritten songlist for T'Log. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3366394429&category=210 Peace & Luv, RR np: concert for George on FM radio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:14:46 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Poll results -warning: this email may put you to sleep Let's see, Jennie. You can sing. You look, well, you know. You can lead groups. You can play. You are generous with others. You are easy to talk to. And you can do statistical analysis. Hmmm... Jenny, no one is THIS close to perfect. Tell me the truth: You don't floss, right? All the best, Lama PS, I almost split the infinitive "THIS perfect" but the IQ level of this thread inspired me to check it over b4 sinding. sindding. sinnniding... posting. PPSS, I took two statistics classes (consecutively, not repeatedly!). It was slower back then because we used slide rules. nyuck, nyuck. Hey, don't knock slide rules. On the Apollo missions, they did backup calculations on slide rules. "Fly me to the moon", indeed. Jenny, the birthday girl said, >Bob, because there are so few songs on each album the reliability is not great - which is why the standard deviation for STAS is high - when you have 10 or fewer observations, the influence that any one observation (Cactus Tree) can have on the results means that measures of central tendency may not the best way to represent the results.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:59:18 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Who's best in Albany? NJC Who do you think? According to Metroland, who's the Best Solo Rock Performer in Albany, New York? I'll give you a hint: Albany is near Schenectady. Here's another hint: He was also chosen Best Vocalist (Male). About this mystery person's voice, Metroland said, >Its sweet, its sultry, its horny, its spiritual, it soars, it rumbles, it whispers, shouts, swoops, veers, emotes, evokes and devotesall without ever missing a note. Its Bryan Thomas voice, and its one of the natural wonders of the musical universe, wielded by a performer whos able to use it in all the ways it needs to be used.> Read up: http://www.metroland.net/guides/best_of_2003/arts_entertainment.html Then it'll be time to get busy: www.cdbaby.com All the best, Lama PS, "ones and zeros" is the latest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:19:16 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 29 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Quebec City Coliseum in Quebec City, Quebec, Canada. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:19:16 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 29 On November 29 the following articles were published: 1975: "Joni: A Bigger Splash" - Melody Maker (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=185 2002: "Hot Sheet" - Entertainment Weekly (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1045 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:20:22 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: And so once again ... (Apologies in advance if this has been mentioned here; I just can't keep up with the list lately.) There is an extraordinary version of Joni's "The Fiddle and The Drum" on pianist Danilo Perez' most recent album called " ... til then." It's one of the best covers of a Joni song I've ever heard in that it absolutely does Joni proud as tribute to her version, but brings something very new and personal to the table, something of equally high caliber. Given that the original is a cappella, an obvious choice in covering it is to harmonize it, that is, create a set of chords/harmonies that illuminate and compliment the melody. Frankly, it's something I've often thought of doing myself, and still may someday. Perez' harmonization is stellar, both as manifestation of the harmonies implied in Joni's melody and as an extension of those harmonies. If you imagine what Herbie Hancock might have done, that wouldn't be dissimilar. Then there's the singer, Lizz Wright, with whom I had not been familiar. She has a beautiful, burnished contralto voice which does echo Joni's early contralto (as opposed to Joni's early soprano, or late contralto) but is absolutely her own. And she uses it with taste and musicality, never once given to "jazzy" pretense. (By the way, the whole album is great; mostly instrumental, a mix of originals, including one by Perez and Wright together, and covers of Milton Nascimento, Stevie Wonder, and others. Brian Blade is the primary drummer, and both he and Perez are currently in Wayne Shorter's band. It's a small musical world, isn't it?) Finally, in encountering once again one of my all-time favorite Joni songs, I'm blown away anew by her insight and the prescience of the lyric ... it just could not possibly be more timely than right now, even more so than the Vietnam era in which it was composed. Read it again and think long and deep about how one nation, under BushCo, has been acting; I *can* remember all the good things we are but it's getting harder and harder. - -Fred THE FIDDLE AND THE DRUM And so once again My dear Johnny my dear friend And so once again you are fightin' us all And when I ask you why You raise your sticks and cry, and I fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say I have turned Like the enemies you've earned But I can remember All the good things you are And so I ask you please Can I help you find the peace and the star Oh, my friend What time is this To trade the handshake for the fist And so once again Oh, America my friend And so once again You are fighting us all And when we ask you why You raise your sticks and cry and we fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say we have turned Like the enemies you've earned But we can remember All the good things you are And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:26:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: statistics njc i'm so terrible at applied math!!!! this year i had to teach descriptive statistics and discreet probability and i SUCKED. i couldn't solve any of the problems half of the time -- my students had to explain them to me! LOL! i'm pretty good at abstract stuff: number theory, algebra, but when it comes to calculating anything -- including making change -- i am an utter asshole. by the way, jim, there would be no split infinitive in your sentence because... there are no infinitives to split there! (forgive me, i couldn't resist...) wally, wishing jenny or jim could take over my discrete probability students while i discretely learn the stuff > > Jenny, the birthday girl said, > >Bob, because there are so few songs on each album the > reliability is > not great - which is why the standard deviation for STAS is high > - when you > have 10 or fewer observations, the influence that any one observation > (Cactus Tree) can have on the results means that measures of central > tendency may not the best way to represent the results.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:53:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: nov 29!!!!!! njc folks, big one here -- so get over your post-turkey day dyspepsia and pay heed: it is... Jim Johanson's birthday!!!!!! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y dear jj!!!! you're one of the heroes. joni should have a special clause about you in her will. love, wally le K ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #592 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)