From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #589 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 589 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Basketball Game [Catherine McKay ] happy thanksgiving, to all in the us , and those not, i'm thankful too NJC [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.] Blue- #30 top album all time ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Blue- #30 top album all time ["Mark or Travis" ] Let us be thankful NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Our Shooting Star's Missing Star ["kakki" ] nov 27!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Our Shooting Star's Missing Star [Catherine McKay ] Greendale NJC [John Low ] Re: Our Shooting Star's Missing Star ["kakki" ] King of Pain says, "Pick one." NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Thank you Les! [rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:49:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Basketball Game --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > "This reminds me of a JMDL writing contest I wanted > to have once where the > only rule was to use as many of Joni's song titles > as possible." > > Well, if you ever have it, this will be my > submittal! I'll add that it was > inspired by Wally's question asking about the Joni > basketball article. Wally, I > hope some of your wishes come true, and I know how > you feel. Sometimes I feel > like my bestest friends, the only people willing to > listen to me, are right > here. Submittal? Hmmm. What I really love is how one apparently innocuous suggestion or comment made by another lister is one that inspires another to write a work of that kind. You don't see that just anywhere. One more reason why this such a special place to be. The only problem, Muller, is that you did such a great job, I'm not sure if any of the rest of us mere mortals could come close to it. (But there's other Bob, sometimes known as Troy, who is either going to try or is going to come back with such a witty retort that some of us will get bellyaches from laughing so hard.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:05:18 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: happy thanksgiving, to all in the us , and those not, i'm thankful too NJC my new found friends, i know this is a US holiday, traditionally, still i'd like to thank all of you for your input, output and just puting up with me since i've joined the list this year. i hope that all your days are filled with love and joy. I thank the one i call God for you all. pax noel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:05:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Blue- #30 top album all time A very respectable placement I think! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:07:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC colin I am happy to hear from you but what does this mean? >My heart test result finally arrived in the post this morning. Unfortunately, it was positive.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:20:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Blue- #30 top album all time > It's also the highest ranking LP of any female... See! They're a bunch of male chauvinist pigs and that Jann Wenner deserves to be castrated! Petunia (not much into lists) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:23:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Let us be thankful NJC Nice jimmy (& suze)...thanks...here's a little something a friend sent me: May today there be peace within. May you trust your highest power that you are exactly where you are meant to be.... May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of faith. May you use those gifts that you have received, and pass on the love that has been given to you.... May you be content knowing you are a child of God.... Let this presence settle into our bones, and allow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love. It is there for each and every one of you.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:35:16 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Our Shooting Star's Missing Star Catherine, the Canadian wrote: > Well, of course, nothing is really free, but I imagine > her Toronto star was paid for by donations and/or tax > dollars, likely the latter, and I don't begrudge the > few of my cents that paid for that either. (You can > take the Canadian out of Canada, but you can't take > the Canada out of the Canadian, eh?) I don't really care who paid for it - isn't it the thought that counts? Why would Joni think getting a star from tax dollars is "free" and somehow more "pure" and a star paid for from an independent group or individual is "unethical?" That's what seems weird to me. I would think a "people's choice" award would be just as meanginful, if not more so, that something some government committee decreed. But maybe I'm missing her point - maybe she thinks she herself would have to pay for a star in Hollywood and doesn't grasp the idea that individual peoples (sic) could raise up the money in her honor and that could be just as valid. Then again you all know I don't understand the culture of socialism LOL Hell with it. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:06:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: nov 27!!!! NJC dear jenny, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y!!!!!! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Our Shooting Star's Missing Star --- kakki wrote: > > I don't really care who paid for it - isn't it the > thought that counts? Why > would Joni think getting a star from tax dollars is > "free" and somehow more > "pure" and a star paid for from an independent group > or individual is > "unethical?" That's what seems weird to me. I > would think a "people's > choice" award would be just as meanginful, if not > more so, that something > some government committee decreed. But maybe I'm > missing her point - maybe > she thinks she herself would have to pay for a star > in Hollywood and doesn't > grasp the idea that individual peoples (sic) could > raise up the money in her > honor and that could be just as valid. Then again > you all know I don't > understand the culture of socialism LOL Hell with > it. ;-) I think Joni's a dog in the manger. Or she's bitching about sour grapes. Or some other cliche of that kind. I think she's bitching that she might have to pay for it herself. Or maybe she really does believe these things grow on trees and just magically appear without anyone having to pay for them (the star fairy drops them down from heaven or something). Of course someone would have to pay. Or maybe her point is that anyone with enough cash could buy one even if they had no talent. I'm sure she wouldn't begrudge it if a group of admiring fans (ahem) raised the money to get one of these things for her. Which is all really silly because it's a friggin' thing on a sidewalk that people walk on and spit on and spill stuff on, so how is that an honour anyway - LOL! but jeez, Mom, all the kids have one! I think Joni just likes bitching for bitching's sake. I can totally understand that. Whining and bitching is something I do very well myself and it can be lots of fun if done with wit. From my socialist perspective, corporate money tends to be viewed as tainted and always driven by the bottom line over anything else. It's kind of like Macdonald's getting the franchise in the school cafeteria - or worse yet, the hospital food court. So you eat this high-fat, cholesterol-laden stuff in the hospital while a few floors above you the cardiac patients are lying in the ICU. It just isn't right, y'know? Macdonald's should be across the street, not right in yer face when you're visiting Auntie Sadie in the cardiac ward. (Later we'll sneak outside for a cigarette or two.) It's probably not possible to explain that to a ragin' capitalist such as yourself (hee hee) but the socialist view is that the corporations are always out to make the most bucks they can and will cut corners and quality in order to maximize profits for their shareholders (and mainly themselves) even at the risk of jeopardizing the safety of their workers and/or consumers. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. I'm sure it is in some cases but not in others, but that is a socialist perspective on that whole thing - that certain things (child care, hospitals, any of the social benefits) should be free of the taint (perceived or otherwise) of the corporate bottom line. To some, the arts are included in this list. And yet, ironically, the arts are the first to be cut when governments seek to practice restraint; and then again, art is so subjective that people laugh and complain at some of the "shit" that gets grant money - there again, one person's shit may be another's art (sometimes literally, LOL.) I'm not sure if any of that thinking lies behind Joni's skepticism (maybe we're imputing to her thoughts she neve actually expressed and the whole thing is academic anyway). It could be simply that if one rich powerful individual pays for something and gives it to you, you become beholden to that individual, so it's kind of like selling your soul to the devil. Or maybe it's just the old paradox - the masses have no culture and no taste and that's why they never give *me* a people's choice award. If they do give me a people's choice award, maybe it's because I've sunk to the level of having no culture and taste myself, so now I'm a pop star and that sucks too. Awards suck... until I win one. Who knows? I think Joni likes to think out loud a lot and she just gets in trouble. The rest of us think stuff like that but we don't get quoted in the media. Let's hold a bunch of bake sales and raise $15,000 and buy her the frikkin' star and see what she has to say about that (LOL.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:18:09 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Colin's recovery, NJC Colin, We're all pulling for ya, big guy. Even me. :) Okay. You did the right thing by checking in at the JMDL. Now the prayers start. You're heart's gonna be fine again. You know, the JMDL has a pretty damn good history of miracles. Anita beat her demon. This little community saw a little slip of a girl, Anne Sandstrom, kick cancer. She kicked its arse. She said, "Not here, ya don't." I'm sending you a picture of Anita Gabrielle and Barbara Little in the performance space at Full Moon Resort this past summer. Do you remember Barbara's miracle? Barbara Little was thrown from a horse and suffered a broken back.... A few weeks later she showed up in Oliverea, New York and sang a couple of numbers. You are incredibly lucky to be a heart patient in the 21st century. You have work to do but you've overcome adversity before. I fixed your subject line for ya. Lama Colin said, >My heart test result finally arrived in the post this morning. Unfortunately, it was positive.> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Gabrielle_and_Barbara_Lama.sized.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: John Low Subject: Greendale NJC Fellow Sydneyite Don wrote: >Hi All,I went and seen Neil Young on Friday Night at >the Sydney Entertainment Centre. He did the Greendale >show with Crazy Horse and a cast of about 40 - >50. Sensational! I was there too, Don, and I agree - it was sensational! A powerful and moving performance! Like a bunch of middle-age groupies we even hung around and waited for Neil to leave. My friend's car was parked just above the stage door, giving us a perfect view. He spoke and shook hands with a number of fans who had been patient enough to wait. John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:44:55 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Our Shooting Star's Missing Star Catherine, I tend to agree with your take on Joni. I get the sense she feels that a Hollywood star should be decreed and paid for from some pure, select, ethereal committee of the highest degree. It may be literally too pedestrian, and therefore, beneath her, to appreciate a star that some ragtag group of fans (or industry publicity hacks) would gather up the cash to place on the sidewalk. I also sense that if the great unwashed did succeed in getting a star for her, ironically, she would probably graciously accept it. Forget about the spit and the gum and grease - it is a monument here, silly as that seems. Silly can also be cool and fun and the stars do have some meaning for many people - they are a small physical touchstone and a terrazzo marble piece of tribute in a town that was largely built on the entertainment industry. > From my socialist perspective, corporate money tends > to be viewed as tainted and always driven by the > bottom line over anything else. That's what I don't buy. Corporate money gives people jobs to make a living and most, if not all, corporations pay out much money every year to many good causes (whether they are purely motivated or not, they get a nice tax benefit in doing so and the end result is beneficial.) >It's kind of like Macdonald's getting the franchise in the school > cafeteria - Boy, not here - they are actually outlawing any food that may be "unhealthful" in most school cafeterias - taking out the soda and candy machines, etc. > It just isn't right, y'know? Macdonald's should be across the street, not > right in yer face when you're visiting Auntie Sadie in > the cardiac ward. (Later we'll sneak outside for a > cigarette or two.) People should be able to make their own choices - it shouldn't be an issue of "evil" McDonald's made me do it and I don't know any better and it's McDonald's fault I'm obese and have health problems. All the schools I've attended teach proper nutrition and health. A Mac now and then is probably good for you ;-) If you eat it or any one food everyday, that's not good. Common sense. > It's probably not possible to explain that to a ragin' > capitalist such as yourself (hee hee) Capitalism has been the natural default system of the human race since the beginning of mankind. There must be a reason for that. I just ragingly believe in individual freedom and feel that having a central goverment decide for me and telling me what I should do with my life in every minute aspect is NOT freedom. > To some, the arts are included in this list. And yet, > ironically, the arts are the first to be cut when > governments seek to practice restraint; and then > again, art is so subjective that people laugh and > complain at some of the "shit" that gets grant money - > there again, one person's shit may be another's art > (sometimes literally, LOL.) I'm not opposed to the government providing grants for the arts - I just don't think they should be the sole arbiter and patron of the arts. Art should not be the exclusive province of elitists, government-appointed or otherwise. I know many disagree with that, but I think creativity is individual and a gift from God, or whatever mystical phenomena one wants to attribute it to. Once any official group controls the arts, it no longer is pure, and is tainted to some degree. I have to admit I think Joni may be a bit elitist in her view toward a Hollywood star. But I can also understand her reaction to some extent. No matter what, though, there is a void that she is not there among many true greats. If nothing else, she has made L.A. her adopted hometown for so many years and she must have some attachment to it. Can someone persuade her that it's OK to be included in the walk? We shall see! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:45:30 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: King of Pain says, "Pick one." NJC "Fasten your safety belts. It's gonna be a bumpy night." I think that was a line Bette Davis said in a movie called "All About Eve" but I only saw it once. Anyway, this is the King of Pain reminding everyone to stay close to your friends and don't get too wound up during the Holidays. "I found that just surviving is a noble cause." Keep your wits and keep it cool. You know the drill. 50/50, fire and ice. Resolve to start one new healthy habit this season to beat depression. Here are a few coping skills from experts in the field: fans of Joni Mitchell. (ironic grin) I'm gonna post a few at a time over the next few weeks. There are no attributions because some people wanted to help anonymously. * Keep a journal * Keep growing as a professional * Find happiness in what you have (instead of pining for what you don't.) but... * Do not become resolved to complacency. So, you're both finding happiness and actively looking & struggling towards it. There's a paradox in there, that makes it difficult, I suspect. All the best, Jim (er I mean, King of Pain) np: "Edith And the Kingpin" as interpreted by my friend Sherelle Smith in 2002 except I took so long to write this that now playing is: Claud9 on Saturday night in 2002. What a night that was! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:08:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 27 1974: The album "Miles Of Aisles" was certified gold by the RIAA. 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Municipal Auditorium in Bangor, Maine. 1985: The video for the first single "Good Friends" premiered on MTV. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:08:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 27 On November 27 the following articles were published: 1976: "Joni: Summer Lawns, Grey Gardens" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=186 1976: "The tip of the iceberg" - Sounds (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=354 1982: "Songs For Ageing Children" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=210 1982: "Wild Things Run Fast" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=190 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:47:52 -0000 From: "TheWizardOfIs" Subject: JoniFest 2004 Have any thoughts been given to a date or venue for next year's get-together? Might try and come along. Be afraid, Jonipeople, be very afraid. AMO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:59:49 -0800 From: rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com Subject: Thank you Les! Thank you Les for alerting us to the wealth of resource and information available on JMDL.com. I read today's material with awe as well as interest. I'm the first to admit that my finger is anywhere but on the pulse of current popular music, but I can't help asking how many of today's artists would inspire the kind of sober, thoughtful critical rapture that Hejira got from Tim Lott (Sounds, Nov. 27/1976): Timeless and majestic, this is music for the spirit Intellectual and inspired, this is music for the mind Rhythmic and subtle, this is music for the body The music of tomorrow, this is the tip of the iceberg Don't hear this album. Listen to it. It took a really perceptive critic to recognize (in 1976!) that Hejira contained music for the body! Cheers and love, Roberto ps. especially love to Wally (you're not alone, chum) and Colin (I've been dealing with some serious health issues this last year, and sometimes doctors are right, naff gits though they not infrequently are.) My loving thoughts and biggest hugs to you both...... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #589 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)