From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #576 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 576 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni and the music scene ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: 40 watt successes - Joni Star NJC [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: 40 watt successes - Joni Star NJC ["kakki" ] Re: NJC - political test [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Lucy's Stars njc ["kakki" ] Re: joni's star SJC [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: My Top T-loggers [Bobsart48@aol.com] CNN: Mitchell Offers Jacko $11 Mil for Neverland [BRYAN8847@aol.com] nov 20!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: An interesting test njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Today in History: November 20 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 20 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Joni star ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:18:27 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: joni and the music scene I imagine her sweating over a yellow legal pad at the beach in southern California, thirty-two years. Looking over her shoulder, I think it might have read something like this... > i miss the snow here it stays pretty green i'm gonna write for Miles' band then i'm gonna quit this crazy scene yeah like that could ever happen i wish i had an ice cold Tab i could slake 'dis bitchin' thirst on oh i wanna have a great fat tour in '04 i can take my loooong-lost dauughter onnnn... ^insert some ironic Xmas quote here^ pick up laundry, road trip, xmas cards to: Myrtle, Carey, Richard in Detroit , James in Boston, & Worthington Lama > (c) 1971 Joni Mitchell Music, Inc. (BMI) She's been semi-retired since she built that damned place in BC. :) All the best, Lama PS, Side note to the veterans: I had the camera sale to end all camera sales today. I'm replacing my dead-end Olympus film stuff with Canon film stuff. Why? Because it will fit on my Canon digital camera, budgeted for the 2005 JoniFest. Phil said, > I was happy to read that Joni's actually NOT quit -- uptill now I thought that Joni's talk about quitting the scene was real, and that there was nothing new to expect -- now my hopes for one more album of new and self-penned work are up again -- perhaps even a little European tour.....: - )> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:21:06 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: 40 watt successes - Joni Star NJC Kakki, Joni certainly seemed thrilled to have received a star on Canada's walk of fame the day before the Toronto tribute. I think this is a good idea to pursue, Quoting kakki : . But I wonder if she wants > a star? I could see her being ambivalent about being thrown in with the > masses ;-) but it would give her a little piece of honor and immortality for > future generations to notice. > Does anyone > have any input on Joni's contributions? Me now! She certainly contributes to the local economy- shopping and dining in Brentwood;-) Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:54:01 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: 40 watt successes - Joni Star NJC Murphy asked: > would Joni think a star on the Walk of Fame was cool, or would she consider it like > a totally Valerie Harper thing to do? I wonder - although she did let Toronto put her on their walk of fame. > Are any of her (ha!) peers represented, or is the WoF mostly TV and movie > people, like Pat Sajak and Adam Sandler? Robert, I've compiled the following list of music/songwwriting star honorees, many of whom are certainly her peers, some of whom are her friends and some with whom she is connected in some way. Perhaps seeing this list might help persuade her to join them! Herb Alpert, Andrews Sisters, Julie Andrews, Louis Armstrong, Gene Autry, Pearl Bailey, Anita Baker, Count Basie, Beach Boys, Beatles, Bee Gees, Harry Belafonte, Tony Bennett, George Benson, Leonard Bernstein, Chuck Barry, Teresa Brewer, James Brown, Les Brown, Dave Brubeck, Maria Callas, Diahann Carroll, Enrico Caruso, *Johnny Cash*, Ray Charles, Chicago, Rosemary Clooney, Nat King Cole, Phil Collins, Sam Cooke, *Crosby, Stills and Nash*, Sammy Davis, Jr., Earth, Wind & Fire, Billy Eckstine, Duke Ellington, Jose Feliciano, Ella Fitzgerald, Stan Freberg, Marvin Gaye, George & Ira Gershwin, Benny Goodman, *Herbie Hancock*, Billie Holliday, Lena Horne, Michael Jackson (AHEM), Elton John, Quincy Jones, Stan Kenton, *B.B. King*, Gladys Knight, Peggy Lee, Leiber & Stoller, John Lennon, Kenny Loggins, *Frankie Lymon*, Dean Martin, Bette Midler, Thelonius Monk, Alfred Newman, Elvis Presley, Carole Bayer Sager, Keely Smith, *Sons of the Pioneers*, Sting, Bonnie Raitt, Sarah Vaughn, Dionne Warwick, Stevie Wonder Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:58:26 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - political test Mack wrote: ooops. Yes, a - sign. That is indeed scary. hehe.. mack Now some sad news for you all. I took the test and my scores ended up both slightly minus also (like, -1, -1). I know I lean somewhat to the right. So, I think the questions (or interpretations of the answers) are biased in that direction. Bottom line - you're all lovable wackos, but you're not as wacko as your scores would indicate. Sorry to let some air out of your beautiful balloons :~) Bobsart Now Michael Jackson - there's a wacko ! See how down the middle y'all are ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:11:57 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Lucy's Stars njc Lucy has two stars, one each for TV and Motion Pictures, as does Desi. Fred and Ethyl have stars, too ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:15:04 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's star SJC In a message dated 11/19/03 11:19:51 PM EST, les@jmdl.com writes: << I'm probably going to regret asking, but what in the name of Joni has Britney Spears done for the community? ===== Catherine Toronto >> amen sista!!! testify! kakki wrote: And no, Joni does not have a star! So who is going to take the lead on this?? ;-) We'd be tripping over it before David Geffen finished the third of a triple snap. Seriously, though do we really think she'd dig it? Maybe a sustaining music/painting scholarship in her name across the street at UCLA would be a greater honour. DG? God knows they need some new pianos in the Schoenberg practice rooms.>> good point besides joni knows " stars, they come and go, they come fast and slow and they go like the last light of the sun, all in a blaze." what's jacko doing with his star these days? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:18:10 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: My Top T-loggers Bob Muller replied with his least unfavorites "(Not in any order) 1. Be Cool 2. Refuge Of The Roads 3. The Dawntreader 4. Otis and Marlena 5. Amelia 6. You Dream Flat Tires (but still needs to swing harder than it does) 7. Slouching Towards Bethlehem - Has an "epic" quality to match its lyrical content that I think is effective 8. God Must Be A Boogie Man And it almost was 9 as I have an honourable mention: The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) - would have made the cut except for that chorus, Thanks for your reply, Bob. I have not been getting very many replies, but I hold out hope for more, following your lead. A few comments: 1. I note the presence of Amelia on your list - that reminded me of Mr. Rockwell's NY Times review of T, the better part of which was spent on describing the charms of Amelia in its earlier incarnations. Apparently you did not hate the T version as much as he did ? (Not that you would come close to preferring it over the other versions) 2. Since you only gave me your favorite (or least unfavorite) 9 tracks, I will assign a score of 2/13 to each of the 13 unnamed tracks, to bring your vote total up to full snuff for statistical purposes (since you apparently consider them all "equally" unworthy). 3. I share your view of the chorus on Sire of Sorrow. It is far duller than Joni's on the original. Basically, no harmony. Is that because the standard Greek choruses were not sung in harmony, or something like that ? If so, again I criticize the decision (suspecting it was Mendoza's, but of course by no means certain). It is part of Joni's talent as a free-form composer that she sets her art to her own creative rules -here, the harmonies of the chorus add great interest for me - why drop them on this version ? (I like the idea that the chorus was male, so that's not my beef). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:45:17 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: CNN: Mitchell Offers Jacko $11 Mil for Neverland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:20:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: nov 20!!!! njc dear joe farrell, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y have a wonderful time and lots joni music to light the way! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:20:47 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: An interesting test njc Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03 FWIW Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:03:55 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 20 1966: Chuck and Joni perform at the Second Fret in Philadelphia. 1975: Joni performed with the Rolling Thunder Revue at the Harvard Square Theater in Cambridge, Mass., singing 'Edith and The Kingpin' and 'Don't Interrupt The Sorrow'. 1976: Joni, with John Sebastian, Country Joe McDonald and Fred Neil, took part in "California Celebrates The Whales Day" at the Memorial Auditorium in Sacramento, California. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:03:55 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 20 On November 20 the following articles were published: 2002: "Joni bows out, integrity intact" - Daily Telegraph (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=989 2002: "Mitchell won't be pushed around" - Canadian Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1015 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:54:06 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Joni star (Joni-onlies - we have been yakking over on the njc list about the fact that Joni does not yet have a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. This discussion was prompted by the shock and disbelief of hearing that Britney Spears received one this past Monday! If you are interested in the posts check out the last couple njc digests on smoe.org and please contribute any ideas or thoughts) Mingus wrote: "I think Kakki and Coyote Rick should get in touch with Charles Valentino to spear head this star thing. He has connections to Angelica Houston and Roseanna Arquett and they all adore Joni" Coyote Rick would be a great person to be involved with this. I think he is involved with the Hollywood Historic Trust Assn., too. I'm not sure about contacting Joni's friends about it at this point. I would maybe pursue it in a more formal manner initally and see if she would even want it. Maybe through her management. Also, she or her management might want to pursue it in their own way, take the lead on it, or control how it is approached. Maybe our contribution is simply to put the idea upfront on their plate. But if anyone here has Joni's ear, please pass the thought along! CC wrote: "Seriously, though do we really think she'd dig it? Maybe a sustaining music/painting scholarship in her name across the street at UCLA would be a greater honour." I think we should work on that, too! ;-) Although I think something in her name at UCLA might have to come out of her own pocket. Don't know if she would dig a star. But when you look at the list of other music luminaries on the walk it really seems like a terrible gaping void that she is not there, too. If I were her, I may feel mixed about the whole thing, but I would also feel a little pissed that I'm not there, too. Stephen wrote: "Joni certainly seemed thrilled to have received a star on Canada's walk of fame the day before the Toronto tribute. I think this is a good idea to pursue" Which gives me hope that she wouldn't think it completely wacky to have one in L.A. "She certainly contributes to the local economy- shopping and dining in Brentwood ;-)" And now we know which group of businesses to hit up first for the donations, hee hee! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #576 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)