From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #573 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 19 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 573 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Instrumental Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Art for Art's sake [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Art for Art's sake [Catherine McKay ] Re: Police raid Neverland [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! ["kakki" ] Blows Against the Empire njc [vince ] RE: njc Alan K Lohr? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: civil unions, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Interesting test njc [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Blows Against the Empire njc [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: civil unions, NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] instrumental joni ["Steve Anderson" ] Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! ["kakki" Subject: Instrumental Joni >If not, can anyone think of some good classic or folk rock that is all instrumental?< If you love acoustic guitars then I'd recommend 2 of my favorite instrumental cds which are the taylor guitar compilations...check out their website...lots of different artists playing songs...all instrumental...fabulous production & players & of course great sounding geetars Kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:31 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Art for Art's sake Joni's Mendal show was called "Voices" incorporating her music with her art. Also in WOHAM she said they go hand in hand like crop rotation. Since the beginning she has incorporated sound, visual, painting, photagraphy, felt pen drawing, and video with everything she has done. So yes Travelogue is part of her art, hence the painting series was called reflections, and the overview of the songs are an overview of her career and the art was to make them very cinematic like an old movie but with more text, A reflection of her song writing, which she has. In art school you learn that you incorporate any or all of the five senses, and even the "minds eye." She has written in a way where we feel, taste, touch, smell, see, and allow our minds eye to conjure up and travel different plateaus and all kinds of life's illusions. I think when you reach a point of your life you do start a process of reflecting back on you life and loves and you become very melancholy about things and they do run cinematic in your mind much like we remember an old movie right down to the musical score. I profess she is the only living "Saint" on the planet, and I am forever grateful for anything she puts out there. She is facing health issues with her post polio syndrome which makes it hard for her to tour and travel, and stress only brings it on harder. When you start dealing with things that are terminal, everyday becomes a travelogue wondering how far you can plan ahead and how much you reflect the past. Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! --- kakki wrote: > If you have a fan club or whatever that raises > enough money to pay for it, > you get a star. Hey, maybe we should start up a > donation drive for Joni's > star on Hollywood Blvd.! Jimi Hendrix has one right > outside my favorite > book store. > Y'mean, you could completely SUCK but you could still get a star if you raised the $$ to pay for it? That explains a few things... And y'mean to say, JONI DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE ONE? whatever happened to merit? Now I need to know who does have one of those stupid things - I'm sure there's a website. The thing is, if talent and merit have nothing to do with it... would YOU want one? (I mean, people walk on them and spit on them and drop their chewing gum on them, and dogs pee on them, and all kinds of nasty stuff is spilled on them and so on - - would you really want one?) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:43:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Overdubbing, and Ignorance v Naivete --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > A better example was your Carly Simon one, where the > female voices come out > of the male backup singers. Did that really happen ? Easily explained. Tight pants and tight shoes. :-D ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:46:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake... njc >Interesting point. Back in the days when people DID commission musical compositions or art, the artist was compromised because s/he had to give the sponsor something the sponsor wanted to hear or see, which was not necessarily what the artist wanted to do. < In essence that is what jeff does...he's a product designer, but has to work within the confines of what his client (sponsor, commission) dictates...of course he has his own input but in the end they decide what they want (the bigger & wealthier the company the cheaper they want it done don't ya love it) However they usually come to him because they like his sense of design...the big fortunate thing is that jeff loves the process as much (maybe more) than the finished product... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Art for Art's sake --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > I think when you reach a > point of your life you do start a process of > reflecting back on you life and > loves and you become very melancholy about things > and they do run cinematic in > your mind much like we remember an old movie right > down to the musical score. > I profess she is the only living "Saint" on the > planet, and I am forever > grateful for anything she puts out there. She is > facing health issues with her > post polio syndrome which makes it hard for her to > tour and travel, and stress > only brings it on harder. When you start dealing > with things that are > terminal, everyday becomes a travelogue wondering > how far you can plan ahead and how > much you reflect the past. Beautifully said. I haven't listened to t'log in a while so it's on for tomorrow (which happens in about 15 minutes my time.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:23:18 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Police raid Neverland Kate wrote: Then there is dweezil...or how about god!? Lol...wasn't that what grace slick almost named her child? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- Yes, and on my favorite album of theirs "Blows Against The Empire" she wrote that "No one has the right to say who comes to or from my body." I always loved that and believed it. There is a song which sings about the baby tree. I would love to get a copy of that old album. I think it was around 1968, can anyone refresh an old queens memory? Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:30:47 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! Catherine - you are cracking me up! > Y'mean, you could completely SUCK but you could still > get a star if you raised the $$ to pay for it? That > explains a few things... Well, I was being kind of flip about it. You do have to be nominated (by anyone or any group) and there is certain criteria for selection. I just checked the website and geez the price HAS gone up - to $15,000 (was $3,000 last I heard) but that pays for the installation and lifelong maintenance of the star. Frankly, being famous and successful does help, but hey it's an industry town ;-) It's not strictly about great art, although several great artists are honored. It's about achievement in film, TV, radio, music, songwriting and recording. There are more meritorious 200 watt successes on the walk than there are the 40 watt ones. It's actually kind of a neat experience to walk along the sidewalks of Hollywood and have those names glitter up at you and jog your memory, especially the ones from the early days. And no, Joni does not have a star! So who is going to take the lead on this?? ;-) Here's the website if you are interested: http://www.hollywoodcoc.org/walkoffame/ and the nomination procedures: http://www.hollywoodcoc.org/walkoffame/nom_proc.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:41:51 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Police raid Neverland Blows Against the Empire came out in 1970, credited to "Jefferson Starship" (not the same as the band it became later). It has been reissued on CD and Paul Kantner also did an anniversary tour for it 25 years on with a different singer doing Grace Slick's parts. I think he did have Jack Casady on bass though. MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: >Kate wrote: >Then there is dweezil...or how about god!? Lol...wasn't that what grace >slick almost named her child? >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------------------------------------------- > > Yes, and on my favorite album of theirs "Blows Against The Empire" she >wrote that "No one has the right to say who comes to or from my body." I always >loved that and believed it. There is a song which sings about the baby tree. I >would love to get a copy of that old album. I think it was around 1968, can >anyone refresh an old queens memory? >Peace >Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:43:19 -0500 From: vince Subject: Blows Against the Empire njc MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: >--------------------------------------------- > > Yes, and on my favorite album of theirs "Blows Against The Empire" she >wrote that "No one has the right to say who comes to or from my body." I always >loved that and believed it. There is a song which sings about the baby tree. I >would love to get a copy of that old album. I think it was around 1968, can >anyone refresh an old queens memory? >Peace >Mingus > > I have that album - what do you need refreshed from it? I have no means to copy it or convert it or anything. Want to buy it or work out a way to get it copied and I would be happy to play my part. Tracks: Mau Mau, The Baby Tree, Lets Get Together, A Child is Coming side 2Sunrise, Hijack, Home, Have you seen the stars tonight, X(symbol)M, and Starship. I am touching the record to my screen so you will get a vibe off the vinyl. Let me know. Vince Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:55:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc Alan K Lohr? LOL!!! bob, you're getting campier and campier all the time. it's the bad company you keep on this list... wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 18 de Noviembre de 2003 11:37 p.m. > Para: ljirvin@jmdl.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: njc Alan K Lohr? > > > In a message dated 11/18/2003 8:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ljirvin@jmdl.com writes: > Alan - > Are you out there somewhere? > Please email me! > Thanks, > Les > > Really Les...we have this page on the JMDL: > > http://www.jmdl.com/dating/index.cfm > > A much more subtle approach. :~D > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:59:39 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: civil unions, NJC Catherine wrote: > Thanks for asking, Kate. I don't get that either. I > also don't understand what a "civil union" is if it > isn't the same as marriage. > > Confused in Canada. I'm not authority, but apparently a civil union is a union that has legal benefits regarding finances and health, etc., yet is more inclusive than marriage. Marriage is a word derived from the word "maritus" which means "husband." The root of husband refers to "house master," implying that in marriage, the husband is the master of the house over the wife. Aren't Gay couples more equal than that? Civil unions have the potential to benefit society as those set in relationships for life afford stability to community and these unions are economically advantageous. The concept of a civil union is prophetic in that it has the potential to be more inclusive than marital unions and theoretically could apply to all combinations of people living together for life, such as two sisters or a son taking care of an elderly father, etc. Change is coming oh yeah. Love and awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:03:08 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC > --- Bree Mcdonough >wrote: > Everything is cheapened today. EVERYBODY >gets a > > standing ovation. What > > does it mean really when somebody like her gets a > > star? She can't > > sing.. can't dance ...BUT she has great implants and > > pouts her lips well. >Everyone gets a standing ovation at Jonifest. But then >again, that's because (take your pick): >1. Jonifest is just group therapy in disguise >2. We're all so damn good >3. The audience is drunk, so they love everyone. You were all THAT good...and yes I was drunk.....so EVERYONE got a standing O. >kind of feel sorry for the Britneys and others because >they're being used by the business. Yeah...I don't know who decides who will get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame ....but obviously they needed a Britney to pump up things a bit. I don't have anything against her ..but at look at her as pretty mediocre ..a dime a dozen. Thousands of other young woman out there who are just as pretty...can move their hips and sing on key MOST of the time. What will be sort of interesting to see if she is around in the spotlight five years from now. Bree >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:12:28 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Interesting test njc This is where I stand; Economic Left/Right: -8.00 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56 Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:22:12 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Blows Against the Empire njc Thanks Vince, It's great to know I can still pull things out of my aging mind correctly. I would love to buy it but I wouldn't take your copy from you. David put all of my albums in the barn when I was in Texas one year and I've yet to dig them out but I'm sure it looks like the rolling hills of South Dakota:~) You must be a man of God to present it so quickly. I'll keep searching the record bin at Ear Wax and one day I'll find it. I need to buy a turntable first though. Thanks Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:28:35 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! >And no, Joni does not have a star! So who is going to take the lead on >this?? ;-) I think it should be someone who knows about this kind of stuff....a mover and a shaker. The person should proabably live in California. AND be a life-long fan of Joni's. ... Does anyone fit this? Hmmmmmmmmmm??? Bree >Here's the website if you are interested: >http://www.hollywoodcoc.org/walkoffame/ >and the nomination procedures: >http://www.hollywoodcoc.org/walkoffame/nom_proc.html > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:31:19 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Art for Art's sake Thanks Catherine, I'm wishing you an enjoyable listening. Maybe you could get 3or4 bottles of red wine or even some everclear and really go on a strange journey:~) Stay warm up there! Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:34:30 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Blows Against the Empire njc in the meantime if you know someone who can record a record to hard drive to disk, you can borrow it to make a copy for private use only, not for professional purposes (enough disclaimer?) and then return it - MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Vince, It's great to know I can still pull things out of my aging >mind correctly. >I would love to buy it but I wouldn't take your copy from you. David put all >of my albums in the barn when I was in Texas one year and I've yet to dig them >out but I'm sure it looks like the rolling hills of South Dakota:~) You must >be a man of God to present it so quickly. I'll keep searching the record bin >at Ear Wax and one day I'll find it. I need to buy a turntable first though. >Thanks >Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:37:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: civil unions, NJC at least in buenos aires, a civil union is the legal process by which any two people, regardless of gender, register their partnership at the civil registry (maybe the equivalent to a US city hall?). partners' rights involving health benefits, sick leaves, visitation in intense care units and such are legally recognized. nevertheless, adoption and the right to become each other's direct heir are still not legislated. in argentina, people can will only a small portion of their estates. the rest goes automatically to what is legally known as "forced heirs", i.e., children from previous marriages and parents. therefore, even if a civil union has been duly registered, a partner loses ownership of any joint property on the death of the other partner. marriage would allow the partner to keep half of the joint estate, apart from giving the couple the right to adopt children and receive full recognition in the entire territory of the nation. it would also give a foreign partner the right to apply for and receive argentine citizenship. if testamentary succession were more liberally implemented in argentina, civil union would be tantamount to marriage, except of course for the thorny adoption issue. the main objection to same-sex marriage in argentina is mainly a money issue. what would happen to all those helpless polo-playing, oxford-educated 50somethings if dad willed his lands and livestock to me, for example? wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > LCStanley7@aol.com > Enviado el: Miercoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 03:00 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: civil unions, NJC > > > Catherine wrote: > > > Thanks for asking, Kate. I don't get that either. I > > also don't understand what a "civil union" is if it > > isn't the same as marriage. > > > > Confused in Canada. > > I'm not authority, but apparently a civil union is a union > that has > legal benefits regarding finances and health, etc., yet is more > inclusive than > marriage. Marriage is a word derived from the word "maritus" which means > "husband." The root of husband refers to "house master," > implying that in > marriage, the husband is the master of the house over the wife. > Aren't Gay couples > more equal than that? > > Civil unions have the potential to benefit society as those set in > relationships for life afford stability to community and these unions are > economically advantageous. The concept of a civil union is > prophetic in that it has > the potential to be more inclusive than marital unions and > theoretically could > apply to all combinations of people living together for life, such as two > sisters or a son taking care of an elderly father, etc. Change > is coming oh > yeah. > > Love and awe, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:42:42 -0600 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: instrumental joni My favorite instrumental cds Michael Hedges Aerial Boundaries Jim Hall Concierto De Aranjuez Les McCann Invitations to Openess beautiful improvisational jazz Rick Ruskin (amazing lp that came out in the mid 70's instrumental acoustic guitar Nick Drake Pink Moon (not all insturmental but very sparse) William Ackerman many cds on windham hill Icarus by Paul Winter Consort Ralph Towner on ecm label very moody and beautiful John Mclaughlan Waltz for Debbie (tribute to Bill Evans Steve Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:55:49 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: 40 watt successes NJC (this subject line needed a bit of copy-editing for God's sake! Bree asked: > Does anyone fit this? Hmmmmmmmmmm??? Graham Nash! ;-) I may call to see if she has already been nominated (if not selected within 2 years another application must be submitted). You also have to submit a letter of agreement from her or her management/representative with the application. One would think many others, like her friend Jack Nicholson, for example, would have already done this. I've read stories about fan groups nominating someone who gets selected and then frantically try to raise the money. Such stories get good publicity and usually some sympathetic person or group will chip in to help out. Final selections are made by the Walk of Fame Committee and then have to be approved by the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce, the L.A. City Board of Public Works and the L.A. City Council. (Involving city goverment in the process may partly explain why pure fame and popularity might carry more weight more than artistic merit in some instances! ;-) And I'm sorry, but my ears say Britney can't sing! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:00:34 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 19 1966: Chuck and Joni perform at the Second Fret in Philadelphia. 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Memorial Auditorium in Worchester, Massachusetts. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:00:35 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 19 On November 19 the following articles were published: 2002: "Groovy, creative Yorkville past fading fast" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=985 2002: "Joni Mitchell `not sour,' will keep making music" - Toronto Star (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=981 2002: "Joni Mitchell says her songs aren't 'disposable,' new meaning on latest album" - Canadian Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1017 2002: "Joni Mitchell, Nelly Furtado win Socan awards for top artists on radio" - Yahoo News Canada (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=982 2002: "Joni Mitchell, Nelly Furtado win SOCANs" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=983 2002: "Joni Mitchell: Travelogue" - Boston Globe (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=984 2002: "Travelogue" - BBCi (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1005 2002: "Travelogue" - CDNow.com (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1001 2002: "Travelogue" - New York Post (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:55:29 -0500 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: i DID my homework! Roberto wrote: > (and I hope they > > will all forgive me if I say that two or at most > > three of Aretha Franklin's recordings are as much as > > I can take at one time....) > > I feel the same way, so that makes two of us. Some of > her stuff is brilliant but I can only listen to her > voice and style of singing for so long before it > becomes irritating. Et tu, Catherine? Loathe as I am to disagree with my friends, please count me out of that sentiment. I adore Aretha's soulful and emotive voice, and her impeccable phrasing, and could listen to her every waking hour. I've never heard so much feeling coming from a human being. I believe Aretha is something of a prophet and that it's no coincidence that her father was a close friend of MLK. Aretha is queen (undisputed) of soul, just as Joni is queen of mind beauty, in my opinion...be it ever so humble. Perhaps your listening enjoyment would be enhanced by more selectivity in your sequencing of songs from her oeuvre. And, for best results, I believe one must approach her music with a measure of spiritual abandon. In an interview (I did a little homework, too) Joni even admits to jumping Aretha's musical style a bit in one of her songs on WTRF: '"Ladies' Man" is another song radio missed, and it's a song that Aretha Franklin could have sung. In fact, there's two little catches in my vocal that are out of admiration for her.' - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #573 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)