From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #572 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 572 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: An interesting test njc ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Art for Art's Sake... njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: An interesting test njc ["Kate Bennett" ] cover version njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Instrumental Joni [Jupydoo@aol.com] RE: Instrumental Joni ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: Instrumental Joni ["Victor Johnson" ] this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC ["Kate Be] Re: Instrumental Joni ["Bill Dollinger" ] police raid neverland -- NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) [Bob.Muller@Fluor] Re: police raid neverland -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: An interesting test njc [Jupydoo@aol.com] RE: police raid neverland -- NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: An interesting test njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) ["J.David Sapp" <] Re: An interesting test njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: police raid neverland -- NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: TRAVELOGUE: better than nothing? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Woodstock headliners, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Art for Art's Sake... njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on french TV [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Instrumental Joni [Phyliss Ward ] Re: this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC [Cath] Re: An interesting test njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: police raid neverland -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: An interesting test njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC [Cath] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC [Catherine McKay ] njc Alan K Lohr? [Les Irvin ] Re: Cortazar's Manual for Manuel -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: police raid neverland -- NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Woodstock headliners, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc Alan K Lohr? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Woodstock headliners, njc ["David Rahall" ] Re: Joni on french TV [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Woodstock headliners, njc ["David Rahall" ] Re: An interesting test njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: joni's voice on s&l [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) [frasere@intergat] Re: Mass. strikes down gay marriage ban(njc) [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: yes, but is it art? (njc) [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: cover version njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) [Catherine McKay ] Re: political compass test, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC [Catherine McKay ] njc Beatles Let It Be Naked [vince ] Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked [Catherine McKay ] RE: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) ["Kate Bennett" <] Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked [vince ] Re: An interesting test njc ["kakki" ] Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked [Catherine McKay ] Re: 40 watts succeses NJC ["kakki" ] Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked [David Sadowski ] RE: Overdubbing, and Ignorance v Naivete ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: An interesting test njc According to the test, I should be calling Mandela and the D. L. right-wing authoritarians :) My results; Economic Left/Right: -6.75 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95 Martin. In London. (Where's that Mr. Bush, let me at 'im!!) > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:32:00 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: An interesting test njc > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/ > > I'm in the mandela/dalai lama/gandi quadrant...no surprise there > Economic Left/Right: -6.25 > Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23 > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:10:37 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake... njc I agree with Jenny wholeheartedly. And participating in the benefit in Santa Barbara to raise money for the arts and music programs in the schools made me realize how little people do value art today, when in fact, it is one of the most valuable assets I think an educational program could possess. And I would love to sell lots of cd's. I believe I'm creating something unique and important however, if I am not able to sell large quantities of music then I either end up living on the street writing "songs I can't believe with words that tear and strain to rhyme" or working in another field that I don't really enjoy and giving up music because I don't have time to play. I think most artists want to be paid for what they do. It is the very lack of emphasis on the arts today that gives rise to the idea that making money from art is somehow bad or wrong, that it is not really worthy to be considered really work, and what perhaps has helped spur the rise of people who create a product with little or no artistic value, solely for the purpose of making money. Victor http://www.waytobluemusic.com > I say: > Is art still art after you sell or reproduce it? Believe me, painters, sculptors, and photographers want to sell their work. Photographers, like musicians reproduce their work to sell to more than one person (though they may limit the number of prints, so they do not devalue the work). > > Of course there is a vast sea of recording artists and musicians who write and record solely for commercial purposes. But there are also many who create music as a means of expression, who strive to create something unique and important. So if a composition is subsequently recorded and duplicated on CD does this mean that what was once art at the moment of creation, is no longer? Is a Van Gogh that ends up on a greeting card no longer art? > > How do artists make a living in a society that does not value art? Few people commission musical compositions or sponsor musicians anymore. Is your art compromised when you try to make a buck at it? I don't have the answer, but I think Hejira and Hissing are works of art. The fact that they are available to the masses does not lessen their contribution to music, popular or otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:11:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: An interesting test njc Mack, did your scores have a - sign before the number? If not you're up & over :~} >I was with the gandhi crowd as well. Economic Left/Right 4.50 Libertarian/Authoritarian 3.33 Mack > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:13:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cover version njc >I am told, often, that I need to branch out and 'try' todays music. Do so on occasion but have yet to hear even one tune by todays 'artists' that is anything worth listening to. Will keep trying. There has to be someone that is putting out worthy music but where is it?< Not on the radio or at least on commercial radio...HOWEVER, shows like alison e's in slc & other public stations (low on your fm dial) are the places to hear good music these days... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:14:42 EST From: Jupydoo@aol.com Subject: Instrumental Joni I'm making a tape for a sister who (its a long story) can only listen to intrsumental music right now. Does Joni have anything strictly intrumental (preferably earlier, but some of her later stuff might do the trick.) If not, can anyone think of some good classic or folk rock that is all instrumental? So far all I have thought of comes from Led Zeppelin. Thanks! - -Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:21:12 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Instrumental Joni Maybe try some Leo Kotke...the armadillo album is all instrumental and quite exquisite as well. Victor > > I'm making a tape for a sister who (its a long story) can only listen to > intrsumental music right now. Does Joni have anything strictly intrumental > (preferably earlier, but some of her later stuff might do the trick.) If not, can > anyone think of some good classic or folk rock that is all instrumental? So far > all I have thought of comes from Led Zeppelin. > Thanks! > -Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:22:32 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Instrumental Joni Maybe try some Leo Kotke...the armadillo album is all instrumental and quite exquisite as well. Good luck! Victor > > I'm making a tape for a sister who (its a long story) can only listen to > instrumental music right now. Does Joni have anything strictly intrumental > (preferably earlier, but some of her later stuff might do the trick.) If not, can > anyone think of some good classic or folk rock that is all instrumental? So far > all I have thought of comes from Led Zeppelin. > Thanks! > -Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:25:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC >BOSTON - Massachusetts' highest court ruled Tuesday that same-sex couples are legally entitled to wed under the state constitution, but stopped short of allowing marriage licenses to be issued to the couples who challenged the law.< Can somebody please splain to me what the difference is between 'legally entitled to wed' & 'allowing marriage licenses to be issued'? Confused in california ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:31:32 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Instrumental Joni Pat Methany - One Quiet Night - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: RE: Instrumental Joni > Maybe try some Leo Kotke...the armadillo album is all instrumental and > quite exquisite as well. > > Good luck! > > Victor > > > > > > > I'm making a tape for a sister who (its a long story) can only listen to > > instrumental music right now. Does Joni have anything strictly > intrumental > > (preferably earlier, but some of her later stuff might do the trick.) If > not, can > > anyone think of some good classic or folk rock that is all instrumental? > So far > > all I have thought of comes from Led Zeppelin. > > Thanks! > > -Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:40:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: police raid neverland -- NJC I hadn't heard & its in my 'hood'! Funny that I learn of what's goin on down the road via the east coast! Its not the first time :~}... >In case you haven't heard yet, this just in: Police Search Michael Jackson's Ranch< >Not much is known about Prince Michael II, whose mother has not been identified. The singer's 6-year-old son, Prince Michael I< GAG ME! These are his kids names!?!?! The dude is wacko ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:02:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) David said: "But I bet if Joni were asked, making music that others enjoy is not her primary motive." I totally agree with you here, David...that's not the same as your previous comment - if I misinterpreted what you were saying than my bad & break out the wet noodle! :~) But I would add that even if Joni's out to please herself first (which I would argue is the case based on everything she's said and an overview of her career) I would also submit that she has also striven to be successful and also wanted others to enjoy & appreciate her work. That's just part of the human condition, artist or not, do you think? "Of course I enjoy music that challenges me hence my love of Joni." And to echo Mark, "Amen Brother"! Bob NP: Jade, "Mrs. Adams" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:56:23 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: police raid neverland -- NJC Kate writes: >Not much is known about Prince Michael II, whose mother has not been identified. The singer's 6-year-old son, Prince Michael I< > GAG ME! These are his kids names!?!?! The dude is wacko I was thinking the same thing. What ever happened to the old names, like Moon Unit and China? - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:20:21 EST From: Jupydoo@aol.com Subject: Re: An interesting test njc Economic Left/Right: 1.25 Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92 hmmm. weird. about as middle of the road as they come. (and one of few non-lefties in this list... not surprising.) I"m a 19 year old fence sitter (though I think that is the worst expression to describe me... I'm passionate about everything, just my party affiliation swings back and forth.) - -Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:42:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: police raid neverland -- NJC Then there is dweezil...or how about god!? Lol...wasn't that what grace slick almost named her child? > What ever happened to the old names, like Moon Unit and China? - --Bob< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:53:48 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: An interesting test njc In a message dated 18/11/2003 21:27:37 GMT Standard Time, mlg@ukonline.co.uk writes: << According to the test, I should be calling Mandela and the D. L. right-wing authoritarians :) My results; Economic Left/Right: -6.75 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95 Martin. In London. (Where's that Mr. Bush, let me at 'im!!) >> Hmmm, don't know what makes me... Economic Left/Right: - 8.38 Libertarian/Authoritarian: - 7.23 I am doubtless an enemy of the state. I also scored 60% on the iconochasms, which suggests that I really ought to get out more. But we writers are just chained to our computers ;-) Azeem in London NP: Kate St John - My Lonely Love (ear balm after a shite day) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:30:37 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) ABSOLUTELY , no doubts there. I think we've reached a consensus - no one, Joni included, creates to be rejected. I guess, in my mind, the artist creates to satisfy an inner longing and yes they want others to learn from, grow towards, enjoy, even like their creation. But the inner longing comes first, if it receives public acclaim so much the better or maybe so much the worse, who knows. Of course I may just be pissin' in the wind 'cause I'm not an artist. I do enjoy the discussion tho' as a pleasant break from trying to decide whether A Case of You is about him or him or......:) peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:21:39 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: An interesting test njc Azeem, Martin, Wally (the pinko!) and I *are* the cleverly-scattered-about-the-globe Axis of Evil. My little red dot was sweating, hanging off the very edge of the chart..... Economic Left/Right: -8.38 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87 Cindy Martin: << According to the test, I should be calling Mandela and the D. L. right-wing authoritarians :) My results; Economic Left/Right: -6.75 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95 >> And Azeem: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC the court is giving the legislature 180 days to bring state marriage laws up to date to reflect the decision. i'm not clear on what will be the ultimate result, but some couples have started planning June weddings. of course gay marriage is not recognized by the federal government thanks to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, signed by then-President Bill Clinton. J. Kate Bennett wrote: >BOSTON - Massachusetts' highest court ruled Tuesday that same-sex couples are legally entitled to wed under the state constitution, but stopped short of allowing marriage licenses to be issued to the couples who challenged the law.< Can somebody please splain to me what the difference is between 'legally entitled to wed' & 'allowing marriage licenses to be issued'? Confused in california Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:30:39 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Cortazar's Manual for Manuel [was City of ghosts] njc Hi! Of course I've read "Devil's spittles" (I'm in advantage position, cause I don't need to read Corta'zar translated ;-) This short story is from his book "Secret arms": I really love *each and everyone* of Julio Corta'zar's short stories... although I don't like too much his novels (I must give myself one chance to reread "El libro de Manuel", too, it's been 25 years now since I've read it). Julio Corta'zar... I even love his opinions, his look, and most of all, his voice with that *beloved* argentinian accent! (Wally, this is for you, dear) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "anon anon" Para: ; CC: ; Enviado: lunes, 17 de noviembre de 2003 21:45 Asunto: Re: Cortazar's Manual for Manuel [was City of ghosts] njc > Has anyone read Cortazar's short story "Blow Up"?One of my favorite > movies is "Blow Up",by Antonioni,which is loosly based on the short story by > Cortazar,which I haven't read yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:01:20 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni on french TV This thursday at 10:45 pm on FR2, the french national TV, no less than Rickie Lee Jones, Buddy Guy, Ben Harper, Carla Bruni are the guests on a night show. Scheduled topics: Dylan and "introduce Joni to a wider french audience". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:02:30 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: police raid neverland -- NJC In a message dated 18/11/2003 23:10:13 GMT Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Then there is dweezil...or how about god!? Lol...wasn't that what grace slick almost named her child? >> Your Honour, the defendant, Rock Stars, would like 50 similar offences to be taken into consideration. Sample evidence includes: Zowie Bowie Ross Ross Fifi Trixiebelle Geldof Little Pixie Geldof Peaches Geldof Heavenly Hiraani Tiger Lily Yates Phoenix Chi Brown-Gulzar Prosecution - no further questions. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:43:10 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: TRAVELOGUE: better than nothing? Jim asked: "Are we so unhappy with it that we'd rather it had not been made?" I don't think anybody would think that the case Jim, so I'll doubt you get the argument you're fishing for. Joni obviously had a passion for the project, that was eveident upon seeing her at the Hommage in Toronto when she was gushing with enthusiasm over it. Many folks seem to enjoy the finished result, so that makes it worthwhile. If it keeps her active and enthused about making music, it's worthy on that level as well, and those of us who were not as happy with the results can look forward to whatever may come next. I listened again Sunday to the 2 Joni vocal tracks on Herbie's "Gershwin's World" cd, and they are SO strong, if only Joni had taken that lead with her interpretations of her own songs it would have been a stellar recording. Bob NP: The Clash, "Clash City Rockers" 6/22/82 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:28:09 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Woodstock headliners, njc Kate wrote: >> I never knew that they didn't use the woodstock footage for CSN...i > haven't seen that film in decades...but having attended woodstock I do > remember that there were no headliners...especially CSN who were kind of > the new kids on the block at the time...so was Santana...of course after > woodstock everything changed for both these bands... > That's interesting. Watching the movie one gets the impression that Jimi was the headliner since he closed the festival. Did you stay till the end? Also, could you please tell us more about CSN's performance? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:50:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Art for Art's Sake... njc --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > > How do artists make a living in a society that does > not value art? Few people commission musical > compositions or sponsor musicians anymore. Is your > art compromised when you try to make a buck at it? > I don't have the answer, but I think Hejira and > Hissing are works of art. The fact that they are > available to the masses does not lessen their > contribution to music, popular or otherwise. Interesting point. Back in the days when people DID commission musical compositions or art, the artist was compromised because s/he had to give the sponsor something the sponsor wanted to hear or see, which was not necessarily what the artist wanted to do. Even today, if someone pays an artist to paint their picture or a photographer to take one, that person invariably wants the artist or photographer to make them LOOK good (when in fact they could be ugly as sin.) so what exactly is art anyway? I think that there ARE a lot of musicians (and artists, photographers, sculptors, whatevah) that do create works of art and some of them are appreciated (and bought) by groups of people (some more than others). I also think it's possible for something to sell LOTS and appeal to the masses and still be art. Joni may not be a millionaire (or maybe she is - what do I know? What's a million bucks these days?) but she has sold lots of copies of her stuff and she is appreciate by lots of people. Now Celine Dion, on the other hand... yabbut,yabbut... some people might think what she does is art, but I doubt whether she has ever actually written a song. (Not to pick on Celine too much - what about that J Lo? gaaahhh!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:52:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > According to Yahoo! > 'Pop princess Britney Spears became the > youngest-ever music icon ever to be > honoured with a star on Hollywood's prestigious Walk > of Fame'. ... "The best > part is the fans -- the fans, like, loving you. And > the free clothes". > > Ah, so that's what it's all about... > mike in barcelona > NPIMH - lots of 40 watt successes... What does a person need to do to earn a star? I guess longevity isn't a factor. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:54:06 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on french TV Laurent writes: << "introduce Joni to a wider french audience" >> But French people are all in such good shape! Maybe if you start eating freedom fries now, you'll all be a "wider audience" by Thursday. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:08:45 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Instrumental Joni How about "Tiger Bones"? Jupydoo@aol.com wrote: >I'm making a tape for a sister who (its a long story) can only listen to >intrsumental music right now. Does Joni have anything strictly intrumental >(preferably earlier, but some of her later stuff might do the trick.) If not, can >anyone think of some good classic or folk rock that is all instrumental? So far >all I have thought of comes from Led Zeppelin. >Thanks! >-Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >BOSTON - Massachusetts' highest court ruled Tuesday > that same-sex > couples are legally entitled to wed under the state > constitution, but > stopped short of allowing marriage licenses to be > issued to the couples > who challenged the law.< > > Can somebody please splain to me what the difference > is between 'legally > entitled to wed' & 'allowing marriage licenses to be > issued'? > > Confused in california Thanks for asking, Kate. I don't get that either. I also don't understand what a "civil union" is if it isn't the same as marriage. Confused in Canada. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: An interesting test njc --- Jupydoo@aol.com wrote: > Economic Left/Right: 1.25 > Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92 > hmmm. weird. about as middle of the road as they > come. (and one of few > non-lefties in this list... not surprising.) I"m a > 19 year old fence sitter (though > I think that is the worst expression to describe > me... I'm passionate about > everything, just my party affiliation swings back > and forth.) > -Juniper I thought I was a fence-sitter too - after all, I'm Canadian and we do that so well. I was surprised, but not unpleasantly, to find out what a commie pinko I really am. Power to the people - right on!!! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:23:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: police raid neverland -- NJC Spanish-speaking people name their kids Jesus. But you don't meet too many Jesuses in the WASP community, do ya? --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Then there is dweezil...or how about god!? > Lol...wasn't that what grace > slick almost named her child? > > > What ever happened to the old names, like Moon > Unit and China? > --Bob< ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:23:15 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC Everything is cheapened today. EVERYBODY gets a standing ovation. What does it mean really when somebody like her gets a star? She can't sing.. can't dance ...BUT she has great implants and pouts her lips well. Bree > > 'Pop princess Britney Spears became the > > youngest-ever music icon ever to be > > honoured with a star on Hollywood's prestigious Walk > > of Fame'. ... "The best > > part is the fans -- the fans, like, loving you. And > > the free clothes". > > > > Ah, so that's what it's all about... > > mike in barcelona > > NPIMH - lots of 40 watt successes... > >What does a person need to do to earn a star? I guess >longevity isn't a factor. > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: An interesting test njc --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Hmmm, don't know what makes me... > > Economic Left/Right: - 8.38 > Libertarian/Authoritarian: - 7.23 > > I am doubtless an enemy of the state. Azeem, ya feckin' commie! Don't even BOTHER trying to get into the USA! > I also scored 60% on the iconochasms, which suggests > that I really ought to > get out more. But we writers are just chained to > our computers ;-) I had a look at it but I didn't even understand the questions, that's how much attention I pay to world events, especially anything political. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:27:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: this just in: Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban ... NJC --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > > of course gay marriage is not recognized by the > federal government thanks to the 1996 Defense of > Marriage Act, signed by then-President Bill Clinton. Defense of Marriage Act? OMG, the names they give these things! What are they defending it with? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:26:37 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC Catherine asks: << What does a person need to do to earn a star? >> In Hollywood? Oh, you dear, sweet, naive woman. You don't want to know. --Bob NPIMH: "Celluloid Heroes" by the fabulous Kinks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine asks: > > << What does a person need to do to earn a star? >> > > In Hollywood? Oh, you dear, sweet, naive woman. You > don't want to know. > Umm, lots of us do that, but we don't get stars for it, OK? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:05:33 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: njc Alan K Lohr? Alan - Are you out there somewhere? Please email me! Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:35:16 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cortazar's Manual for Manuel -- NJC Wally writes: << i wonder if bob wants to footnote the piece for the joni in fiction section. >> Don't hold your breath, Wally. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:24:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: police raid neverland -- NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > Then there is dweezil...or how about god!? Lol...wasn't that what > grace slick almost named her child? > I believe that was a joke that she provoked the nurse in the maternity ward with. The nurse insisted that she couldn't name her baby that. Grace insisted she could name her baby anything she damn well pleased. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:31:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Woodstock headliners, njc Beginning to end I was there...lots of people missed jimi as they went home before he played...yes he closed the show but for a 3 day festival with so many incredible acts no one was considered a headliner... csny-...ummm...i can't recall details after all these years except that they were good (I thought)... Four part harmony you know ... You just didn't hear stuff like that much... my favs were richie havens & joan baez the first night (we held up lighters for the first time & it was soo cool!)... Also sly & the family stone got us dancing in the sun after the rain showers but can't recall which day...& of course grace slick & the airplane at dawn singing 'sunrise' ... Santana was a big hit & I've already told my meeting santana when I had never heard of them before the festival story...oh, shanana freaked me out...i was feeling a bit too sensitive for such parody at that moment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:37:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Alan K Lohr? In a message dated 11/18/2003 8:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, ljirvin@jmdl.com writes: Alan - Are you out there somewhere? Please email me! Thanks, Les Really Les...we have this page on the JMDL: http://www.jmdl.com/dating/index.cfm A much more subtle approach. :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:42:20 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Woodstock headliners, njc You've heard the heavy groups...now it's time for a little morning maniac music. It's a new dawn! David Rahall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" ...& of course grace slick & the airplane at dawn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:45:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on french TV "Scheduled topics: Dylan and "introduce Joni to a wider french audience". Hi Laurent, and I see you've copied out friend Thierry on the message! One way to introduce Joni to a wider French audience is to have French musicians cover her songs, like Thierry does on his website - check it out: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/yoghill/ThArecs.htm Besides the excellent guitar work and Thierry's wonderful voice, check out which Joni songs he does - Hoo Ha!! Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Love Is Hell, Pt. 1" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:45:50 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Woodstock headliners, njc Oh, no, I left off the best part: "GOOD MORNING, PEOPLE!":-) David Rahall, again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:50:42 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: An interesting test njc > Mack, did your scores have a - sign before the number? If not you're up > & over :~} ooops. Yes, a - sign. That is indeed scary. hehe.. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:54:10 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's voice on s&l someone remarked that it would seem unusal that for joni's voice would sound smoother at the end of the concert then it did at the beginning would be quite odd. my ever silly and sarcastic mind directly thought about her voice now as opossed to 30 years ago after chain smoking all those years. sure something's lost, but something's gained! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:56:37 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) I agree Kate! It's best at night, as you describe. I happen to love T'log, and am forever grateful for any new Joni. Still a wonderful gift to be able to crack open a new release, more than 30 years later! I'll take anything new from dear Joan. Would I like to hear new work? sure, but I'm thrilled she still has creative juices flowing, and I am thankful. Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Kate Bennett : > I love t'log too david...i just don't always speak up cuz I feel like a > broken recor..er scratched cd! Lol... I love the soundtrack quality of > it...turn off the lights, stoke the fireplace, pour some red wine & go > on a wonderful journey...that's the way to listen to it... > > >I just wish others could see the beauty of the art itself before > casting judgment - art is not necessarily meant to be liked or even > enjoyed, but appreciated as the unique vision of the artist.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:59:30 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: Mass. strikes down gay marriage ban(njc) someone in a chat room last night, a lesbian chat room ( somone who came in to tell us the bad news about our being gay...lol) told me it would never happen, our president would never let it happen...well, it's happening!!! I guess the pres realized he needed that 15% of voters hahahahahaha. or maybe he looked at a gay friend of his one day and thought to himself" why shouldn't he have the same rights i do?"...just a thought ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:04:06 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: yes, but is it art? (njc) I believe that is what patsy said to edi when the found edi's dead father in his coffin in her livingroom... I miss that show!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:07:48 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: cover version njc Bob wrote: > Mack bemoaned: You're sweet Bob. I wasn't bemoaning, I was flat out bitching. I do believe you have seen enough of my taste to know what I am searching for. Suggestions are sure welcome. I will look for the ones that you mentioned already. My Wisconsin days will soon end and looking forward to getting to Fort Worth. I know that Dallas has an r and b station that knocks my socks off. True r and b, not todays crap. On another note, I did convince a co-worker to buy some Joni. Looking forward to discussing it with her. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) --- "J.David Sapp" wrote: > > I think we've reached a consensus - no one, Joni > included, creates to be > rejected. I guess, in my mind, the artist creates to > satisfy an inner > longing and yes they want others to learn from, grow > towards, enjoy, even > like their creation. But the inner longing comes > first, if it receives > public acclaim so much the better or maybe so much > the worse, who knows. > > Of course I may just be pissin' in the wind 'cause > I'm not an artist. Not pissin' at all. It makes perfect sense. You don't need to be an "artist". Anything you create, whether it's a simple meal or an e-mail, can give you a sense of pleasure and satisfaction and if others enjoy it too, so much the better. I think it's human nature to want to be accepted or loved by others. Being rejected is hard to take - we're not wired to accept rejection gracefully. When you create anything and you offer it up to others, that's baring a piece of your soul. If they don't like it, it hurts like hell. It could be a meal you've made that your spouse or kids or anyone says is crappy (ouch!), or a painting or a piece of music. (But I think we all agree that Joni can dish it out too, can't she!) "Now I sit up here, the critic And they introduce some band But they seem so much confetti Looking at 'em on my TV screen." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:58:15 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: political compass test, NJC Hi Ya'll, Here are my results: Economic Left/Right: -4.62 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59 If that little red dot on that Cartesian plane was my score, it is in a lonely square but full of spirit with Nelson Mandela and the Dalai lama... far from Bush so it's pretty comfortable. But, where's Joni? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:01:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Everything is cheapened today. EVERYBODY gets a > standing ovation. What > does it mean really when somebody like her gets a > star? She can't > sing.. can't dance ...BUT she has great implants and > pouts her lips well. > Everyone gets a standing ovation at Jonifest. But then again, that's because (take your pick): 1. Jonifest is just group therapy in disguise 2. We're all so damn good 3. The audience is drunk, so they love everyone. I think, to be fair, Britney does have some talent. She can dance, she probably can sing (but it's that icky style they want all these girls to do so they sound *sexy* that drives me nuts - all that growling and so on that might work if used occasionally but it's just a tad overdone and I really wonder what it does to the vocal cords!) and she is very pretty (but how much of that is cosmetically enhanced, I wonder?) But the thing is, if they can take someone off the street and make them look and sound good, then what is real talent, or, what's the point of real talent? I kind of feel sorry for the Britneys and others because they're being used by the business. Of course now she's hooked up with Madonna, hasn't she? so maybe she's not just another dumb bottle-blonde - there may be a brain in there after all, even if it's a conniving one. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:05:39 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked All day long and no one has posted on this? I am hanging with the wrong crowd! First time in my life I ever bought a new Beatles album on the day of release and wow it is so good - I even like Long and Winding Road without the sappy orchestration and for me to like LAWR is a major miracle - this album just rocks with Beatles at their best - I'd pity my poor upstairs neighbors but hey, I am the landlord - who can they complain to - and besides what do they expect on the day a new Beatles album comes out - and they are probably damn glad it's not Eminem - this album is so smooth, so good - now as for David Rahall who wrote: >You've heard the heavy groups...now it's time for a little morning maniac >music. It's a new dawn! > that is one of the best quotes from the Woodstock album - got a revolution! Vince NP: Two of Us - on LIBNaked - this music has been liberated! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked --- vince wrote: > All day long and no one has posted on this? I am > hanging with the wrong > crowd! > > First time in my life I ever bought a new Beatles > album on the day of > release and wow it is so good - I even like Long and > Winding Road > without the sappy orchestration and for me to like > LAWR is a major > miracle - this album just rocks with Beatles at > their best - I heard it was coming but didn't know it was here. I overheard them talking about it on the radio this a.m. too (but they didn't play anything.) That is definitely one I want to get, so thanks for posting about it, Vince. OOh and payday's on Thursday (never mind the bills!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:11:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Travelog Top 11 (now Tlight, compliments of Murphy) Highfive stephen! >I agree Kate! It's best at night, as you describe. I happen to love T'log< , ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:14:57 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked Catherine McKay wrote: > - > >OOh and payday's on Thursday (never >mind the bills!) > Damn, Catherine, forget the bills, there is a good chance my job will disappear tomorrow but I figured, to hell with it, going to go down rocking in style! My dogs and I are dancing to One After 909 right now - something we may do more of when I have more time on my hands! Vince, wondering why I never named a dog JoJo so I could sing Get Back when it jumped on me... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:18:15 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: An interesting test njc Yes Mack, I also was wondering if you were just being very brave here showing you place somewhere close to Mr. Bush LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked --- vince wrote: > > Damn, Catherine, forget the bills, there is a good > chance my job will > disappear tomorrow but I figured, to hell with it, > going to go down > rocking in style! I know I'm gonna die in debt, but I don't expect a fancy funeral either, so that's OK! > My dogs and I are dancing to One After 909 right now > - something we may > do more of when I have more time on my hands! > > Vince, wondering why I never named a dog JoJo so I > could sing Get Back > when it jumped on me... Or Loretta? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:23:21 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: 40 watts succeses NJC If you have a fan club or whatever that raises enough money to pay for it, you get a star. Hey, maybe we should start up a donation drive for Joni's star on Hollywood Blvd.! Jimi Hendrix has one right outside my favorite book store. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:24:27 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: njc Beatles Let It Be Naked I believe JoJo was a real woman and the same one the group JoJo Gun was named after. vince wrote: > Catherine McKay wrote: > >> - >> >> OOh and payday's on Thursday (never >> mind the bills!) >> > > Damn, Catherine, forget the bills, there is a good chance my job will > disappear tomorrow but I figured, to hell with it, going to go down > rocking in style! > > My dogs and I are dancing to One After 909 right now - something we > may do more of when I have more time on my hands! > > Vince, wondering why I never named a dog JoJo so I could sing Get Back > when it jumped on me... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:27:52 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Overdubbing, and Ignorance v Naivete Hi Bob, I wasn't slamming you for naviete. It's just my coarse humor, okay? In the old days, Chuck Berry plugged into an amp, the drummer was unamplified, and the bassist had an amp. There were no boards in the early days. I love that sound, everyone plugged into their own amp. It's much richer than squeezing everyone onto tape. Just a recording of an electric guitar, one instrument, looses a lot when you squeeze it through extra electronics, onto a recording medium, then back out through extra electronics during playback. There are better ways to record music (to me) than to plug everyone into a board but they're less convenient. I think by the time Woodstock happened, they had a board. Like today, they ran long cords up to remote speakers. I recall that the only "soundtrack" the movie's producers had was cassettes. Bad cassettes. Very bad cassettes. It wasn't "shot" with a budget on 35mm like a movie either. They just had people running around, documentary style, with 16mm cameras. I didn't make that up, about CSN. They actually used film of a different CSN concert and pasted it into the Woodstock movie. They weren't happy with their performance. About Carly, yeah, I bought it on VHS for $20. She looks great and Martha's Vineyard looks great but the sound is way, way too good for the conditions. I guess each project takes on a life of its own, depending on what the problems are. I'm not slamming Carly Simon either. The team got a very professional video out of it. On the other hand, "Tori Amos in New York" is very natural. There's music and then there's video. I really liked seeing Beth Patterson's performance on "Louisanna Jukebox" (a music tv show in New Orleans) but hers are not available on the web anymore. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #572 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)