From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #568 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 16 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 568 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Quick hello...Joni Noodles..."morbid" idea for next fest (njc) [Justa] RE: i DID my homework! [rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com] Re: favorites ["mike pritchard" ] Re: favorites [Catherine McKay ] RE: i DID my homework! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Woodstock [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: i DID my homework! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Homework [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Love or Money [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: Love or Money ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: i DID my homework! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Woodstock [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: song poll and shadows and light ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Travelogue "Top 11" ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: favorites [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: [SPAM] anyone know what Graham Nash is really like? [Deb Messling ] Re: Current favorite/least favorite list. JC [Emiliano ] Today in History: November 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:00:07 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: Quick hello...Joni Noodles..."morbid" idea for next fest (njc) In a message dated 11/7/03 5:26:07 AM, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: << My only disappointment came when we were shunned and shut out at the Tony's this year. Ugh how I hate awards ... especially when I am not receiving them! But alas like our birthday girl - someday they will recognize your genius and grant you a lifetime achievement award! >> LOL! I can see myself nervously tearing my program to shreds as they read out the list: "And now the nominees for the award for Lifetime Achievement in Failure will be read by two of the nominees, Lonnie Anderson and Michael Dukakis:" Lonnie: Hi, Michael, I haven't seen you in the political arena since, well, you know... Michael: Yes, Lonnie, and i haven't seen you on TV since that thing about the radio show, what was it called? WPIG in Indianapolis? Lonnie: (icily) Close enough. [Opening the envelope] And the winner is... Walter Breen, for his Play "Joni Noodles" and his Christmas Musical Performance piece, "Morbid Little Christmas Chorus", both of which were performed at most once, and for a huge file of unpublished academic articels and at least six novels. Wow, Michael -- at least you were Governor of some state or other at some point, weren't you? [I've come up behind them to accept the award at this point, but they're too busy throwing barbs at one another to notice me] Michael: [really simmering now] Yes, dear, it's called Massachusetts. And you -- you can hardly be called obscure if you're married to the great Burt Reynolds! [It looks like they're headed for a brawl, so I manage to pry the award -- a man slumped on a toilet with his face in his hands -- it's officially called the McLane Stevenson Award For Apparently Willful Failure, but everyone calls it a Dumpy -- out of Michael's hands. Good thing Lonnie wasn't clenching it, I'd never've been able to pry it loose. As I walk off the stage smiling triumphantly with the statue held high, no one notices -- they're watching the slugfest on stage, Danny Bonaduce and Ashton Kutchner trying to pry them apart...] Ah, well, I can dream, can't I? Big hug, Susan -- hope all is well. Love, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:26:32 -0800 From: rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com Subject: RE: i DID my homework! Wally and all, I did my homework too. Back in February, 1998, my first post to the list was largely - and, I must admit, self-importantly - dismissive of Joni's post 1980 work. At that time, list members admonished me to do more homework - to listen to WTRF, DED, CMIARS, NRN, and TI with a more open mind. I tried to do just that, and for a few months my enthusiasm for those albums was indeed raised: I even posted a very positive review of Taming The Tiger, an album I no longer even own, because.......I just don't like it. And my feeling about all of Joni's albums post 1980's Shadows And Light has reverted to what it originally was: aside from a few songs (Moon At The Window, Night Ride Home, Sunny Sunday) it doesn't speak to me. I can't help it, and my former enthusiasm was enflamed by my joy at being a JMDL member. It was artificial. I've learned many things being a JMDLer, about friendship, music, and being myself (this latter being the hardest lesson). Through conversations about opera I've learned from Patrick Leader, Wally Kairuz, Michael Yarbrough, and Fred Simon that it's OK if my own deeply held convictions are not necessarily right, merely my own (and I hope they will all forgive me if I say that two or at most three of Aretha Franklin's recordings are as much as I can take at one time....) My favorite Joni albums have no favorite songs: they seem to my ears to be organic wholes. Ladies of the Canyon needs every song on it to make it work: so does Blue, so does Hejira, so does Court and Spark, so does For The Roses, so does Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, so does The Hissing of Summer Lawns. I love them all unconditionally. (Mingus is one of them, by the bye: THAT is a work of genius!!!) So forgive me if I choose not to take part in this "favorite/least favorite" poll. At Jonifest last year, I was asked to play a song I've never liked: Ethiopia. I still don't like the song: Joni herself said that DED might have been called "Songs of a Couch Potato," and that's exactly how her rendition of that song has always struck me. But the song is clearly great enough to have an independent life: Bob Muller gave a performance of it that eclipsed Joni's (imho) because Bob made a deep and genuine connection with every word, every inflection, and every nuance of text and meaning. Joni's version of Ethiopia did not connect with me in any way. Bob Muller's did. Am I supposed to apologize for this? Food for thought only, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:13:18 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: favorites I don't have time right now to play this game but I have to say that I am surprised by how many people find 'sweet sucker dance' the least favo(u)rite track on 'Mingus'. It has one of her most succinct, brilliant lyrics, her warmest, most relaxed vocal performances and superb music in the background. What's the problem here? mike in barcelona NP - the dawntreader - joni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:14:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: favorites --- mike pritchard wrote: > I don't have time right now to play this game but I > have to say that I am > surprised by how many people find 'sweet sucker > dance' the least favo(u)rite > track on 'Mingus'. It has one of her most succinct, > brilliant lyrics, her > warmest, most relaxed vocal performances and superb > music in the background. > What's the problem here? > I don't get it either. I love that song. Maybe it's the presence of the line "We're *dancing fools*, you and me." On the other hand, I think the poll is calling for "Least favourite" which isn't quite the same as "Most detested". I can't think of one song on Mingus that I don't love and I don't participate in polls of this kind because I just can't do it. I can never pick just one that I like the most and it constantly changes anyway. It might be easier to find songs I don't care for all that much but not on every album. I hate participating in any kind of poll because I always want to qualify my answers and pollsters hate that. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:27:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: i DID my homework! --- rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com wrote: > I've learned many things being a JMDLer, about > friendship, music, and being myself (this latter > being the hardest lesson). Through conversations > about opera I've learned from Patrick Leader, Wally > Kairuz, Michael Yarbrough, and Fred Simon that it's > OK if my own deeply held convictions are not > necessarily right, merely my own If they're your deeply held convictions, they *are* right, as well as your own. (and I hope they > will all forgive me if I say that two or at most > three of Aretha Franklin's recordings are as much as > I can take at one time....) I feel the same way, so that makes two of us. Some of her stuff is brilliant but I can only listen to her voice and style of singing for so long before it becomes irritating. And to be honest, I really wish I *got* opera more. I love the music but,for the most part, the operatic singing style drives me crazy. It seems so contrived. There are a few opera singers whose voices I can take but, for the most part, I either want to have a fit of laughing or I just want to leave the room! (Since its wouldn't be polite to have a giggle-fit in the middle of a live show, it would probably be necessary to leave the room anyway. When I was a kid, if there was an opera singer on TV, I'd hide behind my Dad's chair trying to stifle my laughing - which only made it worse. But then I'd go around the house "singing" opera-style, so there's definitely something about it that attracts me, if in a very weird sort of way.) In fact, if you can give me the names of some opera singers you really like, I'm willing to give them a try (but I can't guarantee I won't laugh.) > My favorite Joni albums have no favorite songs: they > seem to my ears to be organic wholes. Ladies of the > Canyon needs every song on it to make it work: so > does Blue, so does Hejira, so does Court and Spark, > so does For The Roses, so does Don Juan's Reckless > Daughter, so does The Hissing of Summer Lawns. I > love them all unconditionally. (Mingus is one of > them, by the bye: THAT is a work of genius!!!) I can't break them up either. They come as a set or a family. I think a person might be able to make a similar argument for some of the albums you don't care for, but that wouldn't necessarily make you like them, nor should it. My only complaint about "Mingus" is, it should be longer! I hate when it ends. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:58:04 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock Kate wrote: & the 'we've got to get ourselves back to the garden' refers in part to a movement that was huge back in those times...we called it 'back to the land'... I took it literally & moved to live on an organic farm with hundreds of others for many years...it was an amazing magical time...i am glad I lived it... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- I too was a part of that movement. I spent 2 years in a 200 year old log cabin, 40 acres, $30.00 a month rent, no running water or central heat we had a big fireplace and a wood stove. We ate only fresh grown vegetables (no pesticides and no preservatives) we tilled the land for the garden by hand and we believed "Idealistically" that we could get back to the land. We even grew our own pot as to not be contaminated with the parequat(sp) they were spaying the fields of weed with. I then moved on to 200 acre farm with a 4 room cabin, no central heat and a pump at the sink it was $50.00 a month. Because of those values I literally still eat no can goods or preservatives. I started a landscape business so I could replant the "Garden" rather than tear it down in the corporate structure. I believe that the message of that song has one of the strongest messages of anything ever written because when I do my landscaping and work in the garden I do feel as if my soul is free. We even choose at that time to wear only 100% cotton, no "Styrofoam"clothes for me because polyester was the rave back then (wash and wear) we said it causes cancer:~) Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:07:00 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: i DID my homework! Roberto said: > Joni's version of Ethiopia did not connect with me in any > way. Bob Muller's did. Am I supposed to apologize for this? You certainly don't need to apologize to me! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:15:31 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Homework I am with Noel on this one because anything from Joni is a gift for me, even if it takes awhile to catch on to it. Like I've said before she is the only lover who has never let me down! If we keep complaining she never will return. Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:34:59 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Love or Money Richard asks: "and Walt writes: > Miles of Aisles: > Most Favorite - love or money (how come no one likes this song?) So how come? Inquiring minds want to know. ." The bad pun response - if you two "nobody's" want the answer, you will have to tell us why you like this song. OK - serious response now, since I voted the other way - I do like it. It is just my least favorite on the record. Why ? Well, first and perhaps foremost, because I am least familiar with it. It does not appear on any other album, so to hear it, I have to make it all the way to the last (18th) song on MOA. Often, I do not reach the end. So, I have heard it less than the other live tracks on MOA, even. Second, I do not think that new songs should be used as encores in concerts. The positioning of the last two songs on MOA irritates me. They should have been somewhere in the second quarter of the CD, IMO. Encores should be for resolution. Then again, Joni was starting to pay less and less homage to resolution by then...................... Third, I do not feel that the tone of the song (as performed) fits very well with the lyrics - too bouncy and upbeat for a song of frustration. That's why Love or Money is my least favorite on MOA. That said, I like the melody and I like the lyrics. Maybe I should have stuck with Jericho, where the lyrics disappoint me ( I have explained why in the past, in reply to the objections of many on the list). Bobsart (surprised so far at all the votes for Raised on Robbery as least favorite on C&S) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:59:06 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Love or Money I like it precisely because it is unavailable on any other JM lp. I had seen this tour, and when the double album came out, the first thing I did was to play the two new songs. "Love or Money struck me as a defiant and angry (I don't experience it as bouncy and upbeat--that said, Joni's Tom Scott period is not my favorite, HOSL excepted). I like "Jericho" too, by the way, though not as much. And Love or Money is sarcastic and bitter, not resigned and moony like "Jericho." Plus, "The firmament of Tinseltown / Is strung with tungsten stars / Lots of forty-watt successes" is pretty superior poetry, if you ask me. I must say that when it came out, I was pretty disappointed in MOA. It's only after I bought the HDCD rerelease that I've begun to appreciate it. But Court & Spark was a disappointment compared with FTR, as far as I was concerned back then (and I'm inclined to feel that way now), at least I don't play it very much compared with Blue, FTR, HOSL and Hejira, my top 4. Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Bobsart48@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:35 AM > To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org > Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net > Subject: Re: Love or Money > > > Richard asks: > "and Walt writes: > > Miles of Aisles: > > Most Favorite - love or money (how come no one likes this song?) > > So how come? Inquiring minds want to know. ." > > The bad pun response - if you two "nobody's" want the answer, you > will have > to tell us why you like this song. > > OK - serious response now, since I voted the other way - I do > like it. It is > just my least favorite on the record. Why ? > > Well, first and perhaps foremost, because I am least familiar with it. It > does not appear on any other album, so to hear it, I have to make > it all the way > to the last (18th) song on MOA. Often, I do not reach the end. So, I have > heard it less than the other live tracks on MOA, even. > > Second, I do not think that new songs should be used as encores > in concerts. > The positioning of the last two songs on MOA irritates me. They > should have > been somewhere in the second quarter of the CD, IMO. Encores > should be for > resolution. Then again, Joni was starting to pay less and less > homage to resolution > by then...................... > > Third, I do not feel that the tone of the song (as performed) > fits very well > with the lyrics - too bouncy and upbeat for a song of frustration. > > That's why Love or Money is my least favorite on MOA. That said, > I like the > melody and I like the lyrics. Maybe I should have stuck with > Jericho, where the > lyrics disappoint me ( I have explained why in the past, in reply to the > objections of many on the list). > > Bobsart (surprised so far at all the votes for Raised on Robbery as least > favorite on C&S) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:59:28 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: i DID my homework! Roberto writes: << Joni's version of Ethiopia did not connect with me in any way. Bob Muller's did. Am I supposed to apologize for this? >> Yes. I agree with much of what you say, Roberto. I am also unable to do the homework assignment. I am really not able to list my favorite/least favorite anything. And even if I did, it would change by the time I got to the end. Then, if you add Joni to the mix, you can just FORGET IT! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:18:08 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock Kate replied to Jamie in part as follows: "Jamie wrote >Least Favorite - Woodstock (ooh twice in the same category... maybe it's just my generation, being far too ME ME ME to just GET this song. Or maybe I just hate this song)< That's honest! & so interesting to me as you are probably right- it is a song that was very much a reflection of the times...for me, since I was AT woodstock, to me Joni did an an incredible channeling (for lack of a better word) when she wrote that song not even being there in person... it really was a time that that was so different from now & I guess it has to do with something more than being young then..." Just to add my two cents: First, over the years, I have felt the pull of "and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden" over and over again. I never quite overcome inertia enough to make a serious attempt to get there, but it has helped me stay closer to my center and not drift too hopelessly away from my spiritual side and into my materialistic and egocentric side. For that I am grateful to Joni and this song. I suspect the spiritual aspect of this song is what motivated Joni to set it to the more somber, melancholy music she chose in recording and performing it, rather than emphasizing the "rock" tone that permeated the actual music at the concert, as captured in the CSN cover. Second, I think it ironic that Jamie offers in his reply the concept of time and generation as a possible explanation for his not "getting it" (just as Joni does in the song itself - "maybe it is just the time of year, or maybe it's the time of man"). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:40:54 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" Would these be "Log Light?" "Short Trip"? "Travelette"? Lama np: The Police: EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE on SACD/CD for $7.99 Bobsart said, >Did you actually make up this disc (it sounds like you did !). If so, I will join you shortly when I compile my mini-Tlog.> Michael from Quebec wrote: >>I was fascinated by your 11 T-long choices because they are so very different from mine.>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:53:58 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" Lama writes: << Would these be "Log Light?" "Short Trip"? "Travelette"? >> No, Jim . . . "Travelight." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:02:49 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: homework Okay, here's my homework (keep in mind this is how I feel right now, but it is always changing) Bill >Song To A Seagull > Most Favorite - Nathan La Freneer > Least Favorite - Pirate of Penance > > Clouds: > Most Favorite - Chelsea Morning > Least Favorite - The Fiddle and The Drum > > Ladies Of The Canyon: > Most Favorite - Morning Morgantown > Least Favorite - None > > Blue: > Most Favorite - Carey > Least Favorite - None > > For The Roses: > Most Favorite - For the Roses > Least Favorite - Let the Wind Carry Me > Court & Spark: > Most Favorite - Free Man in Paris > Least Favorite - None > > Miles of Aisles: > Most Favorite - Rainy Night House > Least Favorite - None > > Hissing Of Summer Lawns: > Most Favorite - Hissing of Summer Lawns > Least Favorite - Boho Zone > > Hejira: > Most Favorite - Song for Sharon > Least Favorite - None > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: > Most Favorite - Dreamland > Least Favorite - None > > Mingus (the 'raps' don't count): > Most Favorite - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat > Least Favorite - None > > Shadows & Light: > Most Favorite - Amelia > Least Favorite - None > > Wild Things Run Fast: > Most Favorite - You Dream Flat Tires > Least Favorite - Man to Man > > Dog Eat Dog: > Most Favorite - Shiny Toys > Least Favorite - Ethiopia > > Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm: > Most Favorite - Cool Water >Least Favorite - Snakes and Ladders > Night Ride Home: > Most Favorite - Night Ride Home > Least Favorite - Cherokee Louise > > Turbulent Indigo: > Most Favorite - Turbulent Indigo > Least Favorite - Last Chance Lost > > Taming The Tiger: > Most Favorite - Harlem in Havana > Least Favorite - Stay in Touch > > Travelogue: > Most Favorite - Slouching Toward Bethlehem >Least Favorite - Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:07:29 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: song poll and shadows and light Jamie wrote: "Least Favorite - Why Do Fools Fall In Love (is it me or is she slightly in the wrong key? or Vocally tired byt his point?)" It's funny you should write that because I always wonder the same thing - Is Joni off a little, or perhaps some of the back-up vocals are off? I suppose harmonizing in a group with so many people is not an easy thing to do. I also wonder about "Raised On Robbery" from Shadows and Light Video (I don't believe this song is on the album). Through-out S & L, Joni's voice does seem just a tad bit on the rough side - then all of a sudden, with "Raised On Robbery," her voice dramatically changes to sweet and smooth. I can't understand this, unless she did an overdub of her voice on that song. I've watched the video many times, and it seems entirely possible that it may be a voice overdub. Has anyone else noticed this too? Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:11:43 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" I guess that's why I make the pictures and you write the captions, Bob. Lama > Lama writes: > << Would these be "Log Light?" "Short Trip"? "Travelette"? >> > No, Jim . . . "Travelight." > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:34:48 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - WSJ article on PREMPRO study There was an excellent article written by reported Tara Parker-Pope in the 10/21/03 Wall Street Journal re the limitations of the WHI study. I do not know how to access it on the Web - if anyone does, perhaps they can find a way to post some of it here. Anyway, to summarize When the WHI discontinud its study on the effects of Prempro on its study group last year, I read their report and was struck by the apparent limitations of the study vis a vis helping the people who most needed to make decisions to do so. It was apparent that some would be helped - namely, those who were several years or more past menopause, and who wanted to decide whether to start taking hormone treatment despite the presence of compelling adverse symptoms. But for women just entering menopause considering whether to start treatment (or for those who had started treatment at the outset of menopause, in deciding whether and how long to continue the treatements, and at what level), no clear guidance could be gleaned. Despite that (and despite the honest efforts of the researchers to report their findings accurately, which they did) the media did their usual pathetic job of reporting, and over-reactions and ill-informed decisions resulted (including intensified pressure on physicians to cover their asses when questioned by their patients). This article - the author writes the WSJ's weely Health Journal Column, and can be reached at Healthjournal@wsj.com) - underscores the severe limitations of the study, and makes it obvious that better studies would have been possible, but more time consuming. It also reaffirms that hormone therapy may well be the logical decision of women who are symptomatic, particularly if begun at or near the onset of symptoms. I am glad it was written. I am not a doctor (I speak from my instinct for probability and statistics), but it was good to see a better analysis appear in the press. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:39:40 -0000 From: Gaythorne Silvester Subject: anyone know what Graham Nash is really like? Hi to all. I have always wondered why Graham Nash is so unpopular and desperately uncool over on this side of the pond. Personally I was ever so pleased that one of my compatriots had a thing going with JM, God knows I would like to have done. Maybe he's not such a lovely character to meet. Anyone know/knew the guy or knows what he's like in the flesh? Yours, moderately curiously... G-T ************************************ Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Redwood shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. ************************************ Any issues should be addressed to: postmaster@redwoodgroup.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:52:14 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: ooooh my turn my turn...... >Court & Spark: >Most Favorite - free man in paris >Least Favorite - help me >(am i the only one that thinks joni's >biggest hit single is LAME?) Ouch Phil!! Help Me? Lame? One of the top pop tunes of all time! It all just meshes so well! I've heard people attempt to sing it...and never ..as far as I'm concerned, has anyone been able to capture the tune the way Joni sings it ..the way it should be sung. I don't know if you sing or not Phil but try singing it. Of course.. I'm a little biased..this was the first song l'd ever heard her sing LIVE...and well.. I fell hard that day and the rest is history. >i love my joni and will patiently await for her to write >and record new songs. she will you know. Here we agree..I know she will..she will come out with something all new. It's in her blood... Bree >xxx >walt >The most personalized portal on the Web! _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:00:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: the song about the midway >you saw this at the Atlantic City fest in 1969, and we wonder why she didn't go to woodstick, some talk of it being to dangerous, i can only imagine her relief. i remember at Live Aide in 1985 when joni came onstage the crowd booed and threw assorted vegetables and garbage at her. < Joni wanted to go but her management thought she might get stuck there & she had an important dick cavett show on Monday...there was no talk of danger at woodstock that I've ever heard of other than not being able to get out...i cannot imagine throwing garbage at anyone performing, least of all joni!...no wonder she carries scars of not being appreciated by the masses...& to think this was a concert supposedly about compassion... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:21:52 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Travelogue "Top 11" I wouldn't change a thing about Travelogue including the length or song sequence. To me it offers a unique journey through both vast and intimate, interior and external landscapes. Sumptuous. On behalf of Travelogue: "Quit pichin' shit up here. I'm not that bad ya' dig" peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:35:55 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: favorites At last! (not the song)....a vote for "Electricity!" LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:37:14 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: [SPAM] anyone know what Graham Nash is really like? >FWIW, my sister met him and David Crosby in the sixties or early >seventies, vacationing in the Caribbean. They invited her and her >boyfriend on a boat with him. My sister said DC was very arrogant and >sexist, and said to her boyfriend, "Your old lady is really cute," or >something to that effect, right in front of her, as if she were a dog or >something. And she said that Graham was very gracious, warm and friendly, >but a bit clumsy - first he accidentally knocked her brand new glasses >into the ocean, and then, helping into the boat after swimming, smashed >her leg against something and gave her what she still calls her "Graham >Nash scar." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:58:01 EST From: Jupydoo@aol.com Subject: Joni's "woodstock" Jamie wrote >Least Favorite - Woodstock (ooh twice in the same category... maybe it's just my generation, being far too ME ME ME to just GET this song. Or maybe I just hate this song)< "Kate Bennett": That's honest! & so interesting to me as you are probably right- it is a song that was very much a reflection of the times...for me, since I was AT woodstock, to me Joni did an an incredible channeling (for lack of a better word) when she wrote that song not even being there in person.. Well, I'm a youngin too (only 19) and wondering if it is generational... I don't like Joni's woodstock, but man do I love the CSNY cover. Its not that I don't "get it" but I think joni's version is just too melancholy, which makes me think of the fact that she missed out on the whole thing. Poor poor Joni. In truth, I don't mind most of the song, its just the sad, almost haunting drawn-out "oooo"s at the end which make this song not one of my favorites. Not to say I experience displeasure at hearing it... that would be blasphemy. - -Juniper ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:59:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: song poll and shadows and light --- mia ortlieb wrote: > I also wonder about "Raised On Robbery" from Shadows > and Light Video (I > don't believe this song is on the album). > Through-out S & L, Joni's voice > does seem just a tad bit on the rough side - then > all of a sudden, with > "Raised On Robbery," her voice dramatically changes > to sweet and smooth. I > can't understand this, unless she did an overdub of > her voice on that song. > I've watched the video many times, and it seems > entirely possible that it > may be a voice overdub. > > Has anyone else noticed this too? To be honest, no! so must pay more attention. However, was the whole show recorded at one venue, or was it recorded in different places and then put together? You'd think, if anything, that her voice would get rougher toward the end of one concert. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:03:14 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Jonifest music, so Joy & Wonder! Wow! Dears, i'm really caught! You already know (from Wally's great service) it's my B.D.week's saturday (please, some joke about "don't have a life, you?", I love them ;-) well, i didn't had many "free" time (being so much a pupil, too) this week, but I received (along What's Wrong With This Picture?, the loved annual gift from good old Van & my mum), at last! Jonifest 2003 Music Set! A huge thanks to Ashara, to Les, and must of all this time, to Les (this good boy was desole' apologizing for delay caused by poor overused cd burners crackin'... I'm your fan, Les ('t really don't matter what Les you are! :-) so i'm still listening, rejoicing some first times, going joyfully back to some... As you could guess, once in my arms this beatiful set, i ran to hear great Les' rendition of "Magdalene Laundries"; i was even needing it to help me exorcize your parody, Bob: i can't help laughing remembering Jackie Mason's words hearing that Chieftains song that's ever in my car discs changer: having so much fun from a so sad story is an amount of duality hard to bare, even to yours truly "snake & barn owl" ("vi'bora & lechuzo", yes i'd wish to be "eagle & serpent", me too! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Come In From The Cold, Ashara Stansfield, 8/4/'03 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:20:26 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Current favorite/least favorite list. JC Hi, Russell, et al. I'd like to chime twice, tonight: I already did my h.m. (undercover, though) and I'd like to protest: stop minimazing Blue Boy! I must confess it took me ages to get it, but after hearing, in this *blessed* year, that live joyful medley with RNH, I'm bewitched by its tale's simplicity: besides this *beautiful* piano of hers, she is singing with such *will*, so *desire* to tell a story so like a parable, a fairy tale for ageing children... to me it's a classic. I won't understand why simplicity is being so disreputated, at least when it's like an sphere, so perfectly finished! Of course it's a minor opus, not a hymn or a raptured epic, but... I love it. Yes, I know it's also hard to find one "a little less in grace" or "least fav" in LOTC, too. BTW, to kick Bob a little, I'll confess that, loving The Arrangement as i do, i can't stand it, really get my feble nerves, man! Ah! I have a wonderful time reading the advertising in your post, Russ, to read and ad with "your old favourites" in it... it's really a nice way to recall oneself how many years it's getting old, lol ;-) Yours: Emiliano NP: God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen Jam, by Garcia & Grisman, '91 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Russell Bowden" Para: Enviado: viernes, 14 de noviembre de 2003 20:32 Asunto: Current favorite/least favorite list. JC > Gang, > > The favorites...they go round and round....Best are up....least admired > are down. Proceed. > > STAS: Cactus Tree > Marcie > > CLOUDS: Tin Angel > Roses Blue > > LOTC: Conversation > Blue Boy (sorry, this one is a real gagger) > > BLUE: Carey > > River > > FTR: Electricity > > Blonde in the Bleachers > > C&S: C&S (or, all of 'Side 1'...as in LP) > > Just Like This Train > > MOA: For Free > > Jericho > > THOSL: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow > > Shadows and Light > > HEJIRA: Hejira > > Black Crow > > DJRD: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > Talk to Me > > MINGUS: The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines > > The live snippets, (especially Sue Mingus whining > about that 'weird minor > > chord') Sue, honey, it's just a plain old minor > chord. 'Kay? > > S&L: Coyote > > Rebel Without a Cause > > WTRF: Moon at the Window > > You Dream Flat Tires > > DED: Shiny Toys > > Empty...Try Another > > CMIARS: My Secret Place > > Dancin' Clown > > NRH: Two Grey Rooms > > Nothing Can Be Done > > TI: Job's Sad Song > > Sex Kills > > TTT: Love Puts on a New Face > > Lead Balloon > > BSN: Both Sides, Now > > I Wish I Were in Love Again (A great song turned > to clay in this versions) > > TLOG: Refuge of the Roads > > Songs ***censored*** > Thanks....can't wait to see how I do on the next one. > > Aloha, > > Russ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:57:55 -0800 (PST) From: marilyn huggins Subject: [none] I saw the specialist the other day & surgery won't help me. I have pulmonary hypertension & need to stay here at Lifecare because Ma & Dad can't take care of me. I'm in the process of applying for subsidized housing, but Malden has a 1 year waiting list. Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving!! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:01:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 16 1966: Chuck and Joni began a six day engagement at the Second Fret in Philadelphia. 1975: A phone call was placed to someone involved in the Rolling Thunder Review, inviting them to drop by the Tuscarora Indian Reservation located near the US side of Niagra Falls. Many of the group, including Joni, Dylan, and Eric Anderson, showed up at the Reservation's Community House and swapped songs. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #568 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)