From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #548 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 548 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What I don't like reading NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Fw: Other COVERS news! (for AOL users) ["Kate Bennett" ] 1970 BBC (UK) show Now avaliable as aPermaVine! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Z] video ["Kate Bennett" ] Speaking of astrology njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: What I don't like reading NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Santa Barbara Songwriter's Tribute to Joni Mitchell ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 [David Sadowski ] Re: LOTC studio outtakes CD [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC Re: video [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Cindy [Jerry Notaro ] Re: PROFANE [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: PROFANE ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: PROFANE ["mack watson-bush" ] Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 ["TheWizardOfIs" ] njc shameless self promotion [vince ] Re: njc shameless self promotion ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Aurora Borealis njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: PROFANE ["Robert Argento" ] Re: What I don't like reading NJC [Catherine McKay ] Joni's birthday on CBC Richardson's Roundup. ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Years of "Get Together" (Indirect Joni Content) ["kakki" ] Re: Joni is inducted on the folk walk in Ottawa Ontario Canada [Doug ] RE: NJC Re: FW: Tribute preview ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni in Wikipedia [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:58:36 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What I don't like reading NJC Wally writes: > i will never read the harry potter books (i will but in 10 or 20 years). The Harry Potter books are quite good, Wally, but not worthy of all the hype. (And Rowling is now the weathiest writer ever, which at least means she's made more money than Danielle Steele!) I have been thinking lately about how badly reading is marketed to children. It always seems to be some poster with a child reading a book and a headline that screams, "Reading Is Fun!" Can you imagine if other forms of entertainment were marketed to children that way? "Gangsta Rap Is Fun!" or "Violent Video Games Are Fun!" Kids would drop those things like over-microwaved potatoes! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:58:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Fw: Other COVERS news! (for AOL users) >I received Covers #46 today and can't wait to hear it. I did want to comment on the label for this month's CD. I did a double take when I looked at it. In this photo, I could swear it was Kate Bennett playing her guitar instead of the young Joni. I mean this as a compliment to both Kate and Joni (of course),< Hmm, what photo is this? Of course to me it's the very highest compliment! Joni may not think so but we don't have to tell her :~} ps bob I always get such a thrill when I see my name pass by on your np list!!! Thanks for listening! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:53:05 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Fw: Other COVERS news! (for AOL users) absolutley NJC Hi, Jimmy! I feel very grateful for your remarks about my (little) task on Regarding Wally's post: it's a pleasure, indeed, as everything regarding yours (I mean all of you, all of yours :-) I love to wish a very happy time to everyone, everytime; yes, it seems like we're heading for a vaction, or a holiday... but, we must able to find beauty (or fun) in our everyday's lifes, yes! BTW, I don't like the usual northamerican expressions to say goodbye: "Take care": what a paternalism! It reminds me of that Cat Stevens' song "Wild World"... but in ugly: when Marga and I stayed five weeks in NY, at first I felt surprised to people saying "Take care" to us: "they're meaning we're not prepared to the possible dangers of a big city?" we used to think. The other expression I diss is "Beware": it recalls what my mummy used to say when I went to school (as a pupil, many years ago). Well, there's something I did want to tell for some time. Yes, Have a Woooonderful time! Emiliano NP: Look like shit, Loudon Wainwright III, Chicago, March, 9, 1996 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: ; ; ; Enviado: martes, 04 de noviembre de 2003 1:23 Asunto: Re: Fw: Other COVERS news! (for AOL users) > Emiliano sends from Wally: > > bob, > > your real achievement has been creating something totally new, putting > > something where there was nothing before. you have an outstandingly > > entrepreneurial spirit. you gave the world a library of joni covers. > > Oh Wally, well said!!!! We should all think our lucky stars for this project > Bob has taken on. > Even though Bob mentions my bowling a perfect game, it certainly is a MUCH > MUCH harder task to compile 300 covers of BSN plus all the other Joni covers. I > received Covers #46 today and can't wait to hear it. I did want to comment on > the label for this month's CD. I did a double take when I looked at it. In > this photo, I could swear it was Kate Bennett playing her guitar instead of > the young Joni. I mean this as a compliment to both Kate and Joni (of course), > > Also, to you Emiliano...........thanks again for sending Wally's post. He > conveyed my feelings on the covers project. Also Emiliano, I just love the way > you finish your post.... > "Have a Wonderful Time". It always makes me feel like I'm about to go on > vacation :~) > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:54:49 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Joni's gift from polio (for AOL users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; Enviado: martes, 04 de noviembre de 2003 1:58 Asunto: RE: Joni's gift from polio > wow laura, this is so interesting. joni says that while she was recovering > in hospital she felt a constant urge to sing as loud as she could -- i guess > she said it was christmas carols -- which terribly upset the boy in the bed > next to hers. maybe she was experiencing some kind of "physiological urge" > to exercise those > hypertrophic muscles. > just a thought. > wally > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > LCStanley7@aol.com > > Enviado el: Lunes, 03 de Noviembre de 2003 09:18 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Joni's gift from polio > > > > > > Tomorrow I teach the med students about the respiratory system. In > > preparing, I was reading and came across some interesting medical > > trivia. When a > > patient has polio, the normal muscles of respiration become very > > weak, and to > > compensate, the accessory muscles of respiration become stronger > > and larger, > > hypertrophy. It would seem that Joni was basically set up to > > sing by this > > adjustment of her anatomy from having suffered polio. With > > surviving she would have > > regained full function of her normal muscles of respiration > > inaddition to having > > stronger accessory muscles and a better knowledge of how to breathe using > > these accessory muscles than somebody who never experienced > > polio. This could be > > another gift from her polio experience that became useful in her singing. > > > > With love and awe, > > (Dr.) Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:14:30 -0000 From: "TheWizardOfIs" Subject: JMDL cd-tree #1 Hi folks, Any kind-hearted Joni-ites out there willing to trade me a copies of the discs in this tree? I need Joni toons to keep me warm through the cold, dark, Scottish nights. Brrrrrrrrrrrrr....... (An ice-cream van has just stopped outside and it's playing Christmas carols. Help!) Thank-you. AMO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:15:49 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: 1970 BBC (UK) show Now avaliable as aPermaVine! An excerpt of 'The Pink Dress' concert id available for Perma Vine. I will send once copy to a burnerless member but I will send the original to a member with a cd-burner, if you promise to send it on and distribute Much Joni Jamie Zoob Originally broadcast BBC September 1970,re broadcast September 12th.2003 BBC 4. 7 tracks 30 minutes digital TV Radeon capture card VCD Ullo, BBC4 (a newish BBC TV channel available on satellite and cable in the UK) is turning out to be something of a gem - despite the fact that there was much skepticism at the outset. So - has this one been video tree'd yet? The program was called something along the lines of "Joni Mitchell sings Joni Mitchell", and has the following set list:- Chelsea Morning Cactus Tree My Old Man (which she said needed an extra verse, so wasn't quite finished. No, I haven't compared it to the album version yet to see if it truly was a short version) For Free California Big Yellow Taxi Both Sides Now She complained of having a touch of flu, something she said happened when she came to the UK - and was it the same for us going to the USA? Also, if I'm not mistaken, Peter Green (of Fleetwood Mac, and John Mayall's Bluesbreakers fame) was in the audience. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:26:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: video >then Joni has her live performance of "Little Green" (in color) which as I said is a nice performance and a couple of times looks as though she's going to cry.< For the life of me I wonder how on earth she was able to perform this song live... > Then it cuts to Tim Buckley then it cuts off.< Tim was so big in my life at that time what a voice...did he sing a song? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:32:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Speaking of astrology njc Some of what I sent was a mix of science & metaphysics...so here is another strictly scientific view that is interesting (funny how they use the word 'worst' instead of strongest or some other word to denote powerful) http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solar_onslaught_031030.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:39:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: What I don't like reading NJC >i have never heard bob dylan. < Wally, I must beg you to make an exception...or least listen to his songs sung by others (jimmy la fave! Hi jenny!) if you dislike his voice...kate, aghast in santa barbara :~} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:56:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Santa Barbara Songwriter's Tribute to Joni Mitchell Sunday, November 9th 7 pm SOhO Restaurant & Music Club 1221 State Street upstairs Santa Barbara, CA 805-962-7776 http://www.sohosb.com/ $10 at the door A benefit for Keep the Beat Last year was a sell out, if you want a table better make dinner reservations ASAP! We have an amazing lineup of performers this year from local heros to internationally known artists...make your reservations because it is a show you will not want to miss! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:54:49 -0500 From: Doug Subject: LOTC studio outtakes CD Has anyone heard of this bootleg CD? I found it on a trade list. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:58:50 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 Also, this is on VCD which is much easier to copy without loss of quality than tape. Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >>This video has already been treed >> >> > >Not so fast there, Muller! It sounds to me like what is being offered is the *entire* Dick Cavett post-Woodstock show, which I would love to see. The snippet that has been treed only features the Joni part of the show. > >--Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:06:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Fw: Other COVERS news! (for AOL users) Well, I get a thrill to hear that I gave you a thrill! :~) I enjoy your disc more with each listen. The picture that Jimmy refers to is a live '72 shot. Yes, Joni looks very pretty in the shot so you can take it most complimentary. So who's playing in the tribute gig? Can you give us any previews? 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You know, Bob, to ASSUME makes an ASS of U and ME. - --Bob, who now also knows that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:44:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: video Yes, there was a performance on the full tape I'm sure...mine cuts off just when he's beginning so it doesn't include any of it. Jeff looked so much like him it was scary. Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:35:20 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: PROFANE <> does ANYONE know why i wrote what i wrote? did anyone ready the post "profane 'lesbian' " ? peace Noel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:43:40 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: PROFANE Noel asked: > does ANYONE know why i wrote what i wrote? did anyone ready the post > "profane 'lesbian' " ? I didn't but I want to now. Where is it? mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:47:03 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: PROFANE oooopppsss. sorry joni onlies. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:17:11 -0000 From: "TheWizardOfIs" Subject: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 Lest there be any confusion, this is what this vcd consists of: THE DICK CAVETT SHOW (recorded August 18, 1969, broadcast August 19, 1969) color 0:55:30 Jefferson Airplane: We Can Be Together Volunteers Joni Mitchell: Chelsea Morning Willy For Free Stephen Stills: 4 + 20 Joni Mitchell: The Fiddle And The Drum Jefferson Airplane Somebody To Love (w David Crosby) Jam There is also 22 mins of JA at Woodstock, but that's another story. Hope this clears any misunderstanding. AMO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:36:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: FW: Tribute preview >So who's playing in the tribute gig? Can you give us any previews? Bob< Kirstin Candy, Pat Milliken, Donna O'Connor, Bill Lanphar, Peter Lewis (Moby Grape), Tina Schlieske, Laura Schlieske (midwesterners may recognize these sisters), Jeff Pevar (CPR, Shawn Colvin, Rickie Lee Jones, etc), Brad Bayley, Anita Bayley, Marcella & George Quirin, Dog House, Hans Betzholtz & Kate Price, Kenny Edwards (Linda Rondstadt, Karla Bonoff), Jennifer Terran, Cinder Jean, Laura Hout, Antara & Delilah, Nicola Gordon, Kasey & Gordon, Joyce Hielig, Kathrin Shorr, Karen Thurber, Victor Johnson!, David West? Kenny Loggins maybe, moi...all subject to change of course...! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:45:51 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc shameless self promotion http://www.mlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1067961185243130.xml?grpress?NEOU You have to go all the way down to the bottom of the article to get to my quote - no big deal but have no one around here to share it with Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:03:34 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: njc shameless self promotion Way to go, Vince! I like the way "spirit" and "attitude" were put together. A fan, Joseph Quoting vince : > http://www.mlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news- 0/1067961185243130.xml?grpress?NEOU > > > > You have to go all the way down to the bottom of the article to get > to > my quote - no big deal but have no one around here to share it with > > Vince > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: PROFANE --- HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com wrote: > < From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com > Subject: profane > > Father forgive us for we know not what we do. have > our minds, hearts and > souls become profane because they repel the essence > of Love? forever is > eternal > but who knows when it will begin. Again Lord, > forgive us>> > > does ANYONE know why i wrote what i wrote? did > anyone ready the post > "profane 'lesbian' " ? The problem isn't so much the post, as the lack of njc in the header. The Joni-onlies want... well... Joni only. And they wouldn't have seen what lay behind this if it was marked njc, which it likely was. Apologies to the joni-onlies, but you have to understand that people sometimes make mistakes, especially new ones and most of us don't read the manual first (I certainly don't.) (in which case, a friendly reminder...) Noel, if you just remember to put the njc in your header unless you're talking about Joni-stuff, people will be cool with that. Peace. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Aurora Borealis njc To Lucy and anyone else wondering about the Northern Lights... I saw them once and once only and that was when I spent a year at l'universite Laval in Quebec City. It was a very cold, clear night in (probably) January and a bunch of us were just coming back from a pub night or a dance or something, no doubt at least half-drunk, and walking across to our residence, when we saw them up in the sky - they were a greenish colour. I'd love to see them again, but you'd probably need to get way out in the country somewhere and the further north, the better. I found a cool website with lots of pictures: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/weather/aurora/ And within that, there are many links. Here's a nice website from a guy who lives waaaaaaaaaaaay up north in Alaska. He provides info on how he tooks these photos which are all very beautiful - you have to click on the underlined parts in his article to view the pictures. http://www.ptialaska.net/~hutch/aurora.html Now I'd like to know, are there also Southern Lights? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:36:27 -0500 From: "Robert Argento" Subject: RE: PROFANE I still don't know what this whole thing is about - but, what the hell, Ignorance is Bliss! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:53:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What I don't like reading NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > I have been thinking lately about how badly reading > is marketed to children. It always seems to be some > poster with a child reading a book and a headline > that screams, "Reading Is Fun!" Can you imagine if > other forms of entertainment were marketed to > children that way? "Gangsta Rap Is Fun!" or "Violent > Video Games Are Fun!" Kids would drop those things > like over-microwaved potatoes! Maybe they should market reading the way they do cigarettes - at least, the way the government anti-markets them. Sort of like this: "Reading can be hazardous to your health." "Must be 18 or over to buy books." "Second-hand reading kills" and show pictures of grotesquely enlarged brains to scare people. That'd get the kids reading. On that note, neither of my kids likes to read. When my daughter sees me reading something, she just doesn't understand how I could sit there... reading! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:55:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: Other COVERS news! (for AOL users) absolutley NJC --- Emiliano wrote: > BTW, I don't like the usual northamerican > expressions to say goodbye: "Take > care": what a paternalism! It reminds me of that Cat > Stevens' song "Wild > World"... but in ugly: when Marga and I stayed five > weeks in NY, at first I > felt surprised to people saying "Take care" to us: > "they're meaning we're > not prepared to the possible dangers of a big city?" > we used to think. How true. It does sound like there should be a good reason to be afraid of something. It's almost threatening, isn't it? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:17:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Aurora... Australis? njc i don't know that they are the same thing, but i saw this greenish-yellowish nebulous thing in the sky when i was in tierra del fuego, the southernmost tip of argentina. if it's the same phenomenon, it should be called aurora australis, i guess. maybe hell in NZ or john low in australia or, even better, ash in tasmania could see the lights i'm talking about too. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Martes, 04 de Noviembre de 2003 08:19 p.m. > Para: Jonilist > Asunto: Aurora Borealis njc > > > Now I'd like to know, are there also Southern Lights? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:03:26 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni's birthday on CBC Richardson's Roundup. Listening to Richardson's Roundup (Sad Goat) on CBC radio today, they announced they will be doing something to celebrate Joni on Friday! Yay! Also, apparently they ran a story today (which I didn't get to hear) which claimed that someone used a Joni song to get out of a parking ticket? Any Canucks catch that one? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:26:09 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Years of "Get Together" (Indirect Joni Content) In the chain of posts reproduced below, it was said (of "Get Together") "... it didn't become a wide hit until the Youngbloods recorded and released it in 1969." In fact, the Youngbloods' recording was released as a single and played on the radio in 1967 (I have no knowledge of whether it was first on an album, and if so, if that album debuted in 1967 or 1966) and became a moderate hit. It was re-released in 1967 and became a big hit in that year. I welcome the new-to-me information that Chet Powers was Dino Valenti's original name. My music book that contains "Get Together" credits it to Chet Powers, and I had no idea that he is the same person as Dino Valenti, by whom I remember hearing one song on radio that was a moderate hit decades ago. I don't remember the name of the song, but I think it featuerd an electric piano. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:26:25 +0100 >From: Emiliano >Subject: Fw: Cranky C & N > >excuse me if I forward myself, but this wasn't intended to Laurent only! >- ----- Mensaje original ----- >De: "Emiliano" >Para: "Laurent Olszer" >Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 1:05 >Asunto: Re: Cranky C & N > > > > Hi, Laurent, a very well told story! > > > > Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti for >some > > group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo album. I read > > about it (in his web page) just after discovering our SIQUOMB's joyous > > performance in this beautiful PBS show de mis amores (much beloved to >me). > > ... I know I've bored all of you to death before talking about this >show... > > hey, Doug, you've got it? > > > > What I meant to say: yes, Laurent, allow us to rejoice with these CSN&Y >with > > and w/out Joni! > > Is that Big Sur fest commercially avaliable? I know Randy saw it just >this > > summer: was in tv or from some official released video? > > > > Carry on! & > > Have a Wonderful time! > > Emiliano > > > > NP: Summertime in England, Van Morrison, Somewhere over the mountains > > > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > > De: "Laurent Olszer" > > Para: > > Enviado: sabado, 01 de noviembre de 2003 18:11 > > Asunto: Cranky C & N > > > > > > > I've been mulling over this thread about Croz being bitter, etc. , >waiting > > to > > > find the right words. > > > I've always felt a special cosmic bond to Croz, as strong as my bond >to > > Joni. > > > So I can only convey my feelings about him in a personal manner > > > When I went to the bookstore in W.Hollywood where Croz was signing > > authographs > > > for the release of his bio, I was accompanied by a 75 year old friend >(the > > one > > > who passed away last august at 90) who was himself quite a character. >I > > don't > > > recall saying anything to Croz, I didn't need to. He just looked at >us > > and > > > I'll always remember the look of complicity he gave me, which was both > > intense > > > and facetious, like he had figured me out without my saying a word, >like > > he > > > knew me forever. > > > > > > On the other hand I just got some VCDs on CSN&Y between 66 and 73 >which >I > > > watched last night. In one, there is a segment at Big Sur in 69 where > > Joni > > > joins them for this old hippie anthem I can't remember the name of, > > perhaps a > > > Joan Baez song about "getting together". I'm not sure whether this > > segment is > > > officially released (the VCDs all being bootlegs), if not I'll happily > > make it > > > available to the list (Permavine?). > > > Joni looks gorgeous, Nash is obviously a love-addict and at his >creative > > peak > > > with his muse. > > > Quite a contrast with the next segment probably from 73: in it Nash is > > just a > > > shadow of himself, a total wreck, sarcastic, bitter and grumpy (I >guess > > > anybody would after been dumped by Joni). > > > There's an obvious rivality between Nash and Stills, Croz is flying >high > > and > > > Young is also in a dark phase, although for different reasons . Then >all > > 4 > > > sing Neil's "Only Love can Break your Heart", with just Stills playing >an > > > acoustic bass, and one can sense the emotion in the singing of this > > > appropriate song. > > > > > > Just some euro cents' worth of thoughts about the ups and downs and >how > > > anybody can have his or her cranky moments. > > > > > > Laurent > >------------------------------ >> >Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:07:43 -0800 >From: "kakki" >Subject: Re: Get Together > >Hi Emiliano, you wrote: > > > Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti for > > some group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo album. > >The song first appeared (and was originally titled "Let's Get Together" by >Chet Powers, Dino's original name) on the 1966 "Jefferson Airplane Takes >Off" album, but it didn't become a wide hit until the Youngbloods recorded >and released it in 1969. It is one of my favorite songs. I remember it >staying on the charts for a couple years back then. > >Kakki > >------------------------------ >>Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:48:01 -0800 >From: "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Re: Get Together > >wrote: > > > >> Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti > >> for some group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo > >> album. > > > > The song first appeared (and was originally titled "Let's Get > > Together" by Chet Powers, Dino's original name) on the 1966 > > "Jefferson Airplane Takes Off" album, but it didn't become a wide >hit > > until the Youngbloods recorded and released it in 1969. > >So the Airplane were the first to record it, huh? Now this is >something I did not know. Thank you for that nugget of info, Kakki. > >Mark > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Joni is inducted on the folk walk in Ottawa Ontario Canada Joni Mitchell is among the first six to be inducted into the Canadian Folk Music Walk of Fame !!!! go to this site: www.folkwalk.ca and click on the 2003 inductees :-))) congratulations Joni!!!!! you're in good company with Stan Rogers, Gordon Lightfoot, Bruce Cockburn, Helen Creighton, Jean Carignan. Mags You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:21:24 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Joni honored on WFUV this Friday Hi to all, Sorry I've been out of touch for a while but I've been kept busy with the funeral for my father-in-law, getting my writers' journal together for a Nov 1st mailing, shopping for a new car and working some side jobs in addition to my regular one. (Gotta pay for that sucka somehow... guess my retirement will have to wait, eh?) Just thought I'd mention that WFUV (90.7 in New York, also streaming on the web at WFUV.org) is in the middle of their fall fund-drive but they're celebrating Joni's 60th birthday this Friday with some covers and live performances mixed in all day long. Probably nothing you haven't heard before but you never know what they'll do. I just placed my order for the DVD's from this past JoniFest; can't wait to see & hear all of you that performed once again, at least on the TV screen. It'll be a while before I catch up with all the posts and threads going 'round. Hope everyone's doing well. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:39:14 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Tribute preview Kate mentioned: > Peter Lewis (Moby Grape) Oh Oh OH!! I'm just swooning!! I've been following him for awhile. How wonderful! > Jeff Pevar Nicest guy out there! >Kenny Edwards Yee haa!! >Victor Johnson! Oooo yes! > Kenny Loggins That does it. Monday I may be taking a vacation day!!! Excitable Kakki! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:50:57 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Years of "Get Together" (Indirect Joni Content) Hi Tim, You wrote: > In fact, the Youngbloods' recording was released as a single > and played on the radio in 1967 (I have no knowledge of whether it was first > on an album, and if so, if that album debuted in 1967 or 1966) and became a > moderate hit. It was re-released in 1967 and became a big hit in that year. This is news to me but then again I grew up on the left coast! ;-) It got most of the airplay here in L.A. in 1969 and, I recall, continuing through the next couple of years. I do think the Youngblood's did the definitive version. A little less folk and and lot more heartfelt passion... and I will never get over the gorgeous vocals of Jesse Colin Young. > I welcome the new-to-me information that Chet Powers was Dino Valenti's > original name. My music book that contains "Get Together" credits it to Chet > Powers, and I had no idea that he is the same person as Dino Valenti, by > whom I remember hearing one song on radio that was a moderate hit decades > ago. I don't remember the name of the song, but I think it featuerd an > electric piano. Oooh Tim! Dino was a huge part of Quicksilver Messenger Service, one of the greatest bands to come of the S.F. scene along with Jefferson Airplane, Moby Grape, Big Brother and my personal fave, Sons of Champlin. "Dino's Song" by QMS is a stone classic. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:53:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What I don't like reading NJC oh i ADORE those canadian cigarette packs!!!! when i was in vancouver, stephen epstein and some of his friends collected as many different packs as they could so i would take them home (empty packs, that is). my most cherished one is "guy with rotten gums". only in canada... wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Martes, 04 de Noviembre de 2003 09:54 p.m. > Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; Emiliano; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; > joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: What I don't like reading NJC > > "Second-hand reading kills" > and show pictures of grotesquely enlarged brains to > scare people. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:10:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: FW: Tribute preview Kate was rattling off names and I saw: "Shawn Colvin, Rickie Lee Jones" And about peed in my pants!!! Thanks a lot Kate LOL! Your lineup looks great, y'all have a blast. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:22:02 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: "Brautigan" set the way back machine Sherman NJC Kate Strikes Again and brings back my Pilgrimage to Bolinas, California Yes I read all his books back in the late Sixties and early Seventies So on my first trip to San Francisco in the mid seventies I walked across the Golden Gate. Walked up over up over the foggy hills covered with wild dill plants got onto the Coast Highway and hitchhiked up toward Bolinas. First got a ride with a carpenter to Sea Ranch then two lovely mill valley blondes in a VW Bug. Which thought I was crazy to drop me off at a signless intersection? I walked into town bought some pottery at a Potter's shop for a souvenir. Stopped by the Post Office and asked Richard's address walked by his house but did not have the balls to knock on the door. This town was a perfect setting for Watermelon Sugar. No global capitalistic architecture every thing appeared Organic and hand built what a lovely place to hide. In Watermelon Sugar the part I remember is how his porch has different "Creaks" as people walk across it and how he could tell who was visiting by the different sounds it made. I did this with my house and when the front window is left open I hear the same noises of visitors walking across the cedar boards. Brian Devadaru Symes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:23:12 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: NJC Re: FW: Tribute preview I was in Krogers tonight buying some film (which reminds me, I need to find my camera) and in a weird instance of synchronicity, I heard playing over the loudspeakers "California, here I come..California, here I come" Well, only eight hours to go till my plane takes off! Victor, planning on hitting the beach tomorrow morning NP: Marvin Gaye "Save the Children" > > And about peed in my pants!!! Thanks a lot Kate LOL! > Your lineup looks great, y'all have a blast. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:26:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Re: FW: Tribute preview ha i was worried about putting that part in...if only! ps last year someone came thinking the special guest (messina) was joni! yikes! - -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:10 PM To: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Re: FW: Tribute preview Kate was rattling off names and I saw: "Shawn Colvin, Rickie Lee Jones" And about peed in my pants!!! Thanks a lot Kate LOL! Your lineup looks great, y'all have a blast. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:28:47 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni is inducted on the folk walk in Ottawa Ontario Canada I was driving up that street a couple of weeks ago but couldn't see anything from the car, I guess I'll have to get out and look next time. Doug near Ottawa Ont. magsnbrei wrote: >Joni Mitchell is among the first six to be inducted into the Canadian Folk Music Walk of Fame !!!! > >go to this site: > >www.folkwalk.ca > >and click on the 2003 inductees :-))) > >congratulations Joni!!!!! you're in good company with Stan Rogers, Gordon Lightfoot, Bruce Cockburn, Helen Creighton, Jean Carignan. > > >Mags > > >You open my heart, you do. >Yes you do. > - JM >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > >. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:33:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Tribute preview Let's hope they all come through...i think most are confirmed... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:35:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Re: FW: Tribute preview Whooo hoooo victor....maybe you should have picked that song to play...no worries someone is gonna play it! Have a great flight & it will inspire your version of amelia I am certain! See you soon... >I heard playing over the loudspeakers "California, here I come..California, here I come" Well, only eight hours to go till my plane takes off! Victor, planning on hitting the beach tomorrow morning< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:46:01 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni in Wikipedia I put Joni's name into the search field of Wikipedia << http://en.wikipedia.org >> and got the following surprisingly "correct" bio and synopsis of her career: Joni Mitchell From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Find out how you can help support Wikipedia's phenomenal growth. Joni Mitchell (born Roberta Joan Anderson, November 7, 1943, Fort McLeod Alberta) is a Canadian musician and painter. Initially working in Toronto and western Canada, she was associated with the burgeoning folk music scene of the mid-1960s in New York City, through the 1970s she expanded her horizons, predominantly to rock music and jazz, to become one of the most highly respected singer-songwriters of the late 20th century. A painter who had also dabbled in piano, guitar and ukulele since childhood, Mitchell took her surname from a brief marriage to folksinger Chuck Mitchell in 1965. The songs on her first releases Song to a Seagull (1968) and Clouds (1969) were archetypes of the nascent singer-songwriter movement of the time. Personal and often self-consciously "poetic", they were redeemed by Mitchell's extraordinary wide-ranging voice and unique guitar playing, tuning the instrument in unorthodox manners to produce a distinctive rhythmic, driving sound that carries the songs. Clouds represented a commercial breakthrough, containing her first two songs widely adopted by other artists, "Chelsea Morning" and "Both Sides Now". By her third album, Ladies of the Canyon (1970), maturity brought a record infused with the spirit of California life (the canyon of the title is Laurel Canyon, Los Angeles) as well as containing her first major hit single, the environmental "Big Yellow Taxi", and her song "Woodstock", about the music festival, which was later a hit for both Crosby, Stills and Nash and Matthew's Southern Comfort. Also of interest, "For Free" is the first of Mitchell's many songs focusing on the dichotomy between the benefits of her stardom and its costs, both in terms of its pressure and of the loss of privacy and freedom it entails. This more mature, confessional approach was continued on Blue (1971), widely considered the best of this period. From exploring the various facets of relationships: from infatuation on "A Case Of You" to insecurity on "This Flight Tonight," the songs, featured increasing use of piano and appalachian dulcimer on "Carey" and "All I Want". Others were piano led, some exhibiting the rhythms associated with rock music. The rock influence was still strong on her next two albums made for her new label Asylum. For The Roses (1972), whose title track continued her exploration of the themes of "For Free", sold well, supported by the hit single "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" and 1974's Court and Spark, was a huge success, producing the international hit "Free Man In Paris" and remaining her best selling work to this day. Court & Spark was also notable for the first echoes of the influence of jazz on Mitchell's work and despite the commercial success of the more mainstream tracks, she would spend the rest of the decade producing largely jazz inflected music. The first such album, The Hissing Of Summer Lawns (1975) was also a lyrical departure, with the confessional style replaced by a series of vignettes of 1970s women, from nightclub dancers ("Edith and the Kingpin") to the bored wives of the wealthy ("The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Harry's House"). Musically it was stylistically diverse, with complex vocal harmonies set alongside African drumming (the Warrior Drums of Burundi making up the foundation of "The Jungle Line"). Hejira (1976) continued the trend, with many of the tracks led by (jazz musician) Jaco Pastorius' fretless bass guitar. The songs themselves, however, were more similar to earlier work, dense poetic lyrics (whose precise meaning is frequently unclear) whose swooping vocal melodies provide contrast to the jazz rhythms of the arrangements. To some, however, it lacked the conciseness that the pop influence had given its predecessor. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (1977) was a further move away from pop towards the freedom and abstraction of jazz, a wordy double album dominated by the lengthy part-improvised "Paprika Plain". The album received mixed reviews: some enjoyed its experimentation and originality but many found it unengaging. Continuing her interest in jazz composition, Mitchell's next work was to be a collaboration with legendary bassist Charles Mingus, who died before the project was completed. Mitchell finished the tracks with a band featuring Pastorius, Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock and the resulting free-form, arrhythmic music, while well received in some quarters, again found her appeal becoming more selective. The 1980s saw Mitchell's lowest recorded output since the start of her career. Only three albums of new material appeared, none terribly well reviewed. Seeming to reject the jazz influence, 1982's Wild Things Run Fast was an attempt to return to pop songwriting, including cover versions of "Unchained Melody" and "(You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care" but, like its successor Dog Eat Dog (1985), it may have failed to overcome the smothering production values, and the synthesizer and drum machine-led arrangements have dated far quicker than the acoustic music of her earlier work. Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm (1988) saw Mitchell collaborating with a wealth of talent, including Willie Nelson, Tom Petty and Don Henley, but the material was again patchy and the record did not sell well, although it's doubtful that the sale has ever been more important to the artist than the art. 1991's Night Ride Home, and album of self-described "Middle-aged love songs" was better received, but to many, the real return to form came with the Grammy winning Turbulent Indigo (1994) and Taming The Tiger (1998). Recently, Joni Mitchell has voiced her discontent with the current state of the music industry, describing it as a "cesspool". She stated her dislike of the record industry's dominance, and her desire to control her own destiny, possibly through releasing her own music over the Internet. In 2002 she released Travelogue, a collection of reworkings of her previous songs with orchestral accompaniment, stating that it would be her final album. Mitchell was inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in 1981 and into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997. She received a Grammy award for Lifetime Achievement in 2002, with a citation describing her as "one of the most important female recording artists of the rock era" and "a powerful influence on all artists who embrace diversity, imagination and integrity." Contemporaries: * Joan Baez * Judy Collins External links * Mitchell slates music industry Vocalists with 'stylistic connections' Ricci Lee Jones Suzanne Vega Iris Dement Emmylou Harris Bridget St. John (the uk artist, not the US singer Bridget St. John, who's Mitchell connections, if any, are not known) Nanci Griffith Liz Simcock ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #548 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)