From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #547 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 547 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 ["TheWizardOfIs" ] RE: speaking of astology njc ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: "The Fiddle and the Drum" [Murphycopy@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Caf=E9=20au=20go=20go=20video=20--=20njc?= [Murphyco] Re: underrated Linda (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9_au_go_go_video_--_njc?= [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=20Caf=E9=20au=20go=20go=20video=20--=20nj c?= [Murp] "the great fall of the offwall" (SJC) [Keith Epley ] Re: Other COVERS news! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: alternate tunings - Moody Blues LJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: What I don't like reading NJC [Emiliano ] Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 [Murphycopy@aol.com] Dreams- OBE's NJC [Steve Polifka ] joni contest on the roundup [twoshoes@sasktel.net] just a fan (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:24:32 -0000 From: "TheWizardOfIs" Subject: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 Forgive me. Being the newbie around here I'm not aware of what's been traded/vined on JMDL, but after a discussion with another member, I'd thought I'd throw this into the pot and see what happens: The Dick Cavett Show, 19 Aug 1969. VCD. This show was recorded on the 18th, i.e. the night after Woodstock. (Shadows + Light, p.100-102, I think.) It features Jefferson Airplane (w. David Crosby), Stephen Stills, and, of course, JONI, who performs four songs - Chelsea Morning, Willy, For Free, The Fiddle And The Drum. While it shows it's age (who doesn't?) the vcd is still more than watchable and the sound is fine. Anyone interested in a copy? If so, please get in touch. Depending on how many folks I hear from I'll trade/bnp/vine/tree...... (Oh - I think I've got BSN #301) sabba satta sukhi hontu AMO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:54:01 +1100 From: Melissa Subject: Re: Profane This sounds like a good reason to indulge in some profanity. (It's a bit like the irresistable urge I get to frolick on the grass whenever I see a "Don't Walk on the Grass" sign) NP: Shadows and Light (from Shadows and Light) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:35:00 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: profane Father forgive us for we know not what we do. have our minds, hearts and souls become profane because they repel the essence of Love? forever is eternal but who knows when it will begin. Again Lord, forgive us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:27:59 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: RE: speaking of astology njc WEll Kate as you and I are both fish i think we do feel anything very strongly around this time..... I love Novemeber, it makes me ZING...... I absolutely just have more energy than usual and I know it is to do with the coldness, the air, the autumn leaves, all the things that allow me not to have to hang around limply swishing myself with cooling things.......... I drove through the New Forest yesterday.. ancient woodland dating from William the Conqueror time.... and the colours were exquisite......... Huge stands of Copper Beech just groaning with colour, the light pouring through the leaves as if through some fabulous stained glass window... The Dew ponds on the heathland reflecting massive cumulus and skeins of geese arcing the sky....... "Urge for going" is one of my fave Joni songs..... but I adore the "frost perched on the town" I never want to "call back summer time and have her stay for just another month or two" It is now I put out my anchors, wrap up warm and enjoy the nights that are studded with tingling stars..... it is almost time for the Leonids to fall.. meteorite storms that for just a few days scatter our skies with space dust and debris.... what I should love to have are the Northern Lights and any one who has seen them please let me know just what they are like........ Have to go.. work beckons with an admonishing finger.. "you have stayed to long at play Lucy.. get on with your admin......" Oh Ok then" Byeeee for now... Lucy I feel I am a winter/spring person anyway and have no loathing of the long nights, the wet, the wind, the need for a warm coat.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:30:58 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Fiddle and the Drum" icnh@hotmail.com writes: << I REALLY REALLY hope that next year we throw the asshole out on his here,and elect a different president... >> Just a reminder: We didn't elect this one. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:40:33 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Caf=E9=20au=20go=20go=20video=20--=20njc?= Muller writes: << Then there's Dave van Ronk doing BSN - man is he awful, he sounds & looks like some wino derelict singing, but I suppose I shouldn't be so disrespectful as he's passed on. >> Of course that derelict look is cool when it's your beloved Tom Waits. Between the things you and Jimmy say about him, poor D vR is probably spinning in his grave. And now Joni's birthday week is ruined -- RUINED!!! -- because of you! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:49:12 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: underrated Linda (NJC) Bruce writes: << BTW, yes, I think Rod really lost his way. His first few albums were truly something different at the time. >> As were his vocal performances in the late '60s with Jeff Beck. (Whatever happened to him?) - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:51:07 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9_au_go_go_video_--_njc?= You know, I wonder about that myself. Tom's got that same gruff quality in his voice, often (especially post mid-80's) bordering on unlistenable. Why this causes me no discomfort whatsoever I have no idea. I only know that when I play TW for someone for the first time, they flash a look of horror & disgust akin to what I flash at DvR, I would guess. It's unexplained phenomena. Bob, maybe you can investigate this phenomena further with all the spare time you have NOT updating Joni in fiction. Bob NP: Blind Boys of Alabama, "Amazing Grace" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob, don't be afraid of FW, better it be afraid of you. Joyce said with FW that he wanted to keep the critics busy 300 years. Art, poetry, music, all the "finer vibrations," help us battle the difficulties of life (the Greeks understood this with the creation of their gods and so forth). We can use our authors/artists in the capacity to magnify them and ourselves and "to push back the daily grey, " Forster in Howards End. In To the Lighthouse, the anodyne to the attempts to bruise our souls on the part of philistines (those who wave flags without an iota of patriotism, who love --I'm almost embarrassed to say it, yes, almost--"freedom fries") takes the form of "pulling in our skirts lest [we] too should get wet." We read what we can, do what good we can, and "disregard the rest" (Simon and Garfunkel). What I find comfort in now is the intelligent discourse at this site. Naturally, I disagree with some of it. About much of it I say to myself (now to you), "I wish I had said that." Let us be a clan without being clannish and "embrace under this canopy of stars" all those who would be friends, for "happiness is the best face lift." Back from New Orleans, Keith in Kentucky JMDL Digest wrote: > JMDL Digest Monday, November 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 544 > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Laurel Canyon [ash ] > RE: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio [jrrose Profane Lesbians (njc) [Les Irvin ] > Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) [Janet Hess ] > Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) [Deb Messling ] > Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio [Murphycopy@aol.co] > Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) [Chris Marshall ] > Re: Sweet Bird ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Of internment camps and broken treaties... njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" <] > RE: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc ["Wally Kairuz" Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Re: Get Together ["kakki" ] > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Caf=E9_au_go_go_video?= ["kakki" ] > Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! ["Kate Bennett" What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" Baby Blue, #1, and other stuff ["Kate Bennett" ] > Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - carnegie hall ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - and ronstadt ["mack watson-bush" S&L: white label promo LP on ebay ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" 2001 JoniFest pictures, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Re: Get Together ["Mark or Travis" ] > Harmonies [Melissa ] > Today in History: November 3 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Today's Library Links: November 3 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Re: CSN&Y permavine, njc ["Don Whiteman" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:00:46 +1100 > From: ash > Subject: Laurel Canyon > > >From Tasmania. > > Exert from the 'Weekend Australia Review magazine'. 1st November 2003 > > page 19 > by David Stratton (he of the Movie Show) > > Laurel Canyon (2 1/2 stars out of 5) > Cholodenko's second feature, has almost exactly the same plot (reference to previous film?), though this time the setting is the eponymous canyon, located in the LA hills and immortalised in Joni Mitchell's Ladies of the Canyon album. > > Kate Beckinsale plays Alex who, Like (Ms.) Mitchell in the earlier film, is beautiful, intelligent and a bit naive, and who has a boyfriend, Sam (Christian Bale) she intends to marry. > When he wins an internship at a Los Angeles hospital, they decide to move from the east of California to live in Sam's mother's Laurel Canyon house with it sheated swimming pool and prime location. > > Jane (the Joni character?...Ash) Francis McDormand (Joni?..if Joni was Keith Richards!! ...Ash) the mother is a record producer and had assured Sam, with whom she has always had a frosty relationship, that she would move to her beach house so that the couple can have the place to themselves; but when Sam and Alex arrive they discover Jane/Joni is very much in residence, working with a British rock band on an album. > > So Alex has to work on her dissertation (on the reproductive system of fruit flies) above the din and the smoke of pot and, would you believe it (?), finds herself getting seduced by the music, the drugs and Ian (Alessandro Nivola) the band's lead singer and Jane's latest lover- and by Jane!. (er is this refrence that Joni is a lesbian?...Ash) > > Though Laurel Canyon is handsomely made and the actors acquit themselves well, the film compares badly with High Art in almost every respect and it takes an immensely long time to reach its numbingly frustration conclusion . > > end of review > > later in the afternoon on the Tv was another review, again Ms Mitchell's name came up in connection with the film and Frank Zappa. > > Ash....a Phreak > > I will watch this when it comes on late on our SBS TV channel next year > > and thanks for the '3 for 1' info. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:17:07 -0600 > From: jrrose > Subject: RE: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio > > I would be happy to play both of them for you. Hope you can check out the > show! John >===== Original Message From SCJoniGuy@aol.com ===== > >Catherine requests: > >"I'd like to request "Dancin' Clown." And I'd like to > >dedicate it to Bob Muller." > >Thanks, darlin'. And John - if you do decide to play DC, please play the > >title track from Hejira to offset it. > > > >Bob > > > >NP: Manitoba, "Crayon" > > Listen to "HIDDEN TREASURES OF ROCK 'N' ROLL", some of the best music you've never heard,every Monday on the net from 12-4PM CST at http://uicradio.pages.uic.edu/! > ! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:15:13 -0700 > From: Les Irvin > Subject: Profane Lesbians (njc) > > At 11/2/2003 03:48 PM, Postmaster Notification wrote: > >Your email has been quarantined by the email system. It has violated one > >or more corporate policies. > >Profanity Incoming Policy CONTENT FILTER > > > >Event: "lesbian" violated > > > >Please modify your email message to remove the offending word or words and > >re-send your email. > > Joniphiles - > Every day I have 50 zillion messages bounce back to me, usually as a result > of non-working or full mailboxes somewhere out there. > > This one, however, caught my attention as it bounced back because some > corporate filter tagged the word "lesbian" as profane. Just thought > everyone should know so you can adjust your vocabularies accordingly. > > This has been a public service announcement from the JMDL. > Thank you, > Les > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:32 -0500 > From: Janet Hess > Subject: Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) > > Les, sweetheart, you have just done *wonders* for my reputation. Thanks. ;p > > Cheerz, > > Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who wonders whether it isn't actually > "Profeline Lesbians" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:19:25 -0500 > From: Deb Messling > Subject: Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) > > I would suggest that anyone whose employer filters out the word "lesbian" > find another job, or at least find another email system. I'm not gonna > avoid the word "lesbian" for some friggin' corporation's benefit. > > My library's systems administrator, in his infinite wisdom, has place > blocks on the sequence CHAT and IRC so people can't use the library > computers to chat. However, it also means that they are blocked from > searching for information on CHATtanooga, or for the lyrics to the CIRCle > Game. > > >At 11/2/2003 03:48 PM, Postmaster Notification wrote: > >>Your email has been quarantined by the email system. It has violated one > >>or more corporate policies. > >>Profanity Incoming Policy CONTENT FILTER > >> > >>Event: "lesbian" violated > >> > >>Please modify your email message to remove the offending word or words > >>and re-send your email. > > > >Version: 6.0.529 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:20:36 EST > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) > > Lovely Lucy writes: > > << I have yet to be able to read more than two words in sequence of Ulysses > by James Joyse without checking to see if martians have landed. >> > > James Joyce was a genius who happened to have had a classical education in a > time when children were actually taught Greek and Latin and then studied great > works in those languages. He also knew a great deal about Irish history and > mythology and, as we Americans say, a bunch of other stuff. Add to that the > fact that "U" is written is Joyce's brand of stream of consciousness, and you > have a difficult work to follow if you are, as most of us are, not as generally > up on things as this man born in the 19th century was. > > But here's the kicker, What makes "U" very hard for us to get into these days > is the fact that it deals with one 24-hour period (June 16, 1904, I think) in > a place (Dublin) that pretty nearly everyone alive today is unfamiliar with. > So besides all Joyce's references to history and art and politics and religion > and poetry and philosophy and classical stuff so on and so on, the book is > very much about that one day and all that was happening at that time. If any one > of us wrote a similar book about a day in the life of what we're familiar > with -- say, Topsfield, Massachusetts, November 2, 2003 -- imagine how difficult > it would be for people 100 years from now to follow and understand what we're, > as Lucy might say, on about. > > All that said, I think it is possible to read "U" and have it be one of the > greatest reading experiences of your life IF you realize all this and get > yourself a good annotated "Ulysses" book to read along with the book itself. When I > read "U" back in college, the best annotated *interpreter* -- for lack of a > better word -- was RIchard Ellman. "U" will never be an easy read like, say, > Maeve Binchy, but Maeve Binchy books will never be as wonderful or as rewarding. > > --Bob, who is still afraid of "Finnagan's Wake" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:35:43 EST > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio > > Catherine writes: > > << And if we listen at work, we get fired. >> > > Then request "When All the Slaves Are Free," hold up your STRIKE sign a la > Sally Field and go out with a bang! > > --Bob, who'll be celebrating Joni's birthday with a good old-fashioned > covers Frisbee toss > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:43:31 +0000 > From: Chris Marshall > Subject: Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) > > On 3 Nov 2003, at 1:19, Deb Messling wrote: > > I would suggest that anyone whose employer filters out the word > > "lesbian" > > find another job, or at least find another email system. I'm not gonna > > avoid the word "lesbian" for some friggin' corporation's benefit. > > It might have filtered on the keyword "lesbian" as it's > often found in spam mail. Keyword filters are one way > to filter the vast amount of spam that enters companies. > Not necessarily the best way, but *a* way. > > Many companies might quite reasonably point out to employees that:- > (a) the company e-mail system is provided for business use only > (b) few company business e-mails are likely to contain the word > "lesbian", whereas a great deal of spam does > (c) employees have little reason to complain that JMDL mail > bounces as a result, much less a reason to seek an alternate > employer > > Corporate e-mail systems are owned by the corporations: being their > toys, they can chuck 'em out of the pram when they want... > > - --Chris Marshall > > chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:55:25 -0500 > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: Sweet Bird > > Thanks for this, Laura. When I typed "joni mitchell" into a search engine, > I was hoping there might be people who understood stuff like this. I'm glad > you're here. > > Lama > > Laura said, > >>This REALLY reminds me of Joni's song Sweet Bird > Ours are guesses that are rooted in what this > set of time and change is touching. It's all a guess like this. Everything > I > write is a guess like this. My guess is that society is in the birthing > process so there's bound to be pain. But, the outcome is very hopeful. > We've got > to look beyond and see the sweetness in the bird.>> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:58:08 EST > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc > > >From a hot, hot land south of the border, an unusually sweaty, bitter and > bitchy Wally spits: > > << my congratulations to all the contributors and especially to those who > started the thesaurus thread: hell and murphy (though i'm not sure the latter had > anything to do with it). >> > > You're right, Wally. The thesaurus thread was all Hell's idea and she does > deserve all the credit for its brilliance. All I did was praise her and call > attention to what she had done while the rest of you were apparently asleep! > > And regarding our dear Helen . . . Do any of you think I resemble her? It > seem as if everywhere I go lately eveyone tells me I look like Hell. > > --Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:16:29 -0500 > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Of internment camps and broken treaties... njc > > I knew that the US broke every treaty they ever signed with the people who > lived here before the Europeans came. I knew that the US interred Americans > who had Japanese ancestors during WWII. I knew that the Navaho helped with > codes during World War II. > > Today I learned in a PBS special that after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were > able to read almost every coded message we sent (in English via Morse?) in > the Pacific theatre. They seemed to be one step ahead of the US all the > time and the reason was they had English-speaking code breakers. Lots of > 'em. > > In this context, the internment camp idea finally got its first bit of > credibility for me. Anyway, the Navajo code breakers changed ALL OF THAT. > They stepped up because they felt their sacred land was threatened and they > made a valuable contribution. BTW, if you've heard our national anthem sung > in Navajo, you know it's an amazing thing. Or "America the Beautiful" sung > by Ray Charles, for that matter! > > Lama > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:49:15 -0300 > From: "Wally Kairuz" > Subject: RE: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc > > oh bob... i was just teasing... you know me too well to take umbrage at my > silly asides. you are adored by wally. > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > Murphycopy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Domingo, 02 de Noviembre de 2003 10:58 p.m. > > Para: emilianopd@mundo-r.com; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc > > > > > > From a hot, hot land south of the border, an unusually sweaty, bitter and > > bitchy Wally spits: > > > > << my congratulations to all the contributors and especially to those who > > started the thesaurus thread: hell and murphy (though i'm not > > sure the latter had > > anything to do with it). >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:36:54 EST > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc > > Wally writes: > > << oh bob... i was just teasing... you know me too well to take umbrage at my > silly asides. >> > > I may or may not have meant what I said as a dig at you, Wally, but I am not > sure. I have spent the day with the family and I am feeling unusually > passive/agressive. > > What I really wanted to do was get in a plug for Hell and the brilliance of > the whole thesaurus Joni concept. I can only think of one other exercise I did > this past year in which I learned as much, and that was personal! The > thesaurus Joni phenomenon gave me a heightened appreciation for words -- and for the > humor and talent of so many people on this list. > > --Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:07:43 -0800 > From: "kakki" > Subject: Re: Get Together > > Hi Emiliano, you wrote: > > > Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti for > > some group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo album. > > The song first appeared (and was originally titled "Let's Get Together" by > Chet Powers, Dino's original name) on the 1966 "Jefferson Airplane Takes > Off" album, but it didn't become a wide hit until the Youngbloods recorded > and released it in 1969. It is one of my favorite songs. I remember it > staying on the charts for a couple years back then. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:18:41 -0800 > From: "kakki" > Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Caf=E9_au_go_go_video?= > > Bob wrote: > > > It's a collection of performances from the Cafe A Go Go in Los Angeles. > > I wish it had been but that Cafe is/was in New York. We had the infamous > Whiskey A Go Go in L.A. ;-) > > I would love to see this video. Maybe the snippet you saw was from that > compilation Joni video that has made the rounds here and there? > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:24:23 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! > > >8. Lorin Grean - Green Fields/Big Yellow Taxi: Now this one is really > pretty. > Lorin (not to be confused with Lorne Green of Bonanza fame who recorded > the > cheesy "Ringo") uses a snippet of the first song to lead into BYT, with > very > nice acoustic & bass accompaniments which remind me of the intro music > to > "thirtysomething" if that rings any bells for anyone.< > > Another local sb artist, thanks bob for letting me know she did a joni > cover! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:25:33 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) > > I'm miles behind on digests but this thread got me thinking how I wanted > to reread an author that I loved once upon a time but I wonder if I will > love his stuff as much as I did way back when...has anyone read books by > Richard Brautigan? I am trying to remember the ones I loved...somehow > there was one that reminded me of the song Ladies of the > Canyon....Watermelon Sugar maybe? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:26:04 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Baby Blue, #1, and other stuff > > > made me wonder what other non-Joni songs can be played in Joni > > tunings.< > > I am learning that almost any song can be played in certain alt > tunings...with a little creative license... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:51:15 -0500 > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - carnegie hall > > Bob S., > > Spyboy is a 3-piece rock band with a chick singer-songwriter. For 30 years > people have been saying she should get a rock band and make records like > Rondtadt's "HEART LIKE A WHEEL". She's done that and begun writing again. > If Holden was knocking the mix, I'd believe that's possible. I can't access > the New York Times site so I haven't read it. > > I doubt he'd knock Spyboy on musicainship because Holden does not have > concrete in his auditory canals. I remain unshakably convinced, faithfully > dedicated, to Emmylou's direction. I think her artistic choices are > flawless. She was "alt-country" before the phrase was invented. She's the > epitome of the "Americana" genre, the "roots movement". Whatever. > > If you want to hear this band with a great mix, I recommend the SPYBOY cd or > the RED DIRT GIRL cd. The sound on the SPYBOY long-form video was mixed by > Buddy Miller and he did a fine job. Emmylou's voice is stronger on this > club date than it was on the WRECKING BALL cd. > > All the best, > Lama > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:00:55 -0500 > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC > > Lucy, > > Catherine's a barbarian alright. Trust me on this. :) Seriously, Ms. > McKay was indulging in a bit of North American exaggeration for the sake of > drama and humor. Royals just don't understand commoners but we appreciate > it when you try. Well done. > > As we say in the States, "Sheesh, baby. I'ss coo. I'ss coo." > > Lama > > >Catherine, how can you ever say that you are a cultural barbarian.> > > McKay said, > >>Now everyone knows what a cultural barbarian I am. As if > there were ever any doubt.">> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:05:31 -0600 > From: "mack watson-bush" > Subject: Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - and ronstadt > > > Rondtadt's "HEART LIKE A WHEEL". > > - --What an album. Though have a really sweet spot for 'tracks of my tears', > wheel is probably her best. Just can never get into Harris' voice. > > mack > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:21:51 -0500 > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: S&L: white label promo LP on ebay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570192282 > > The description by an ebay seller named "jlamadoo" describes "SHADOWS AND > LIGHT" this way: > > >Joni's finest hour? If you're reading this you have your own opinion. This > band featured Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Lyle Mays, Pat Metheny, and Jaco > Pastorius. Yeah, I'd say this is up there among her finest hours in a career > stuffed full of exceptional hours. We love you, Joni. As you can see, the > cover has been embossed with special gold marking and the white label > indicates it was made for radio stations in a very early run. Audiophiles > take note.> > > Gees, he sounds like one of us, doesn't he? :) > > Lama > > ps, bids start at $8 so noone's gonna lose any sleep over this purchase... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:34:36 -0500 > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: 2001 JoniFest pictures, njc > > My installation of XP "ate" the 2001 performance scans in Newburyport. Does > anyone have all of mine from the Yahoo! site? Many of them are still there > but we had more pictures than space so I was taking them down a dozen at a > time to make way for a new dozen. I know this is a long shot. > > All the best, > Lama > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:48:01 -0800 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: Re: Get Together > > wrote: > > > >> Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti > >> for some group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo > >> album. > > > > The song first appeared (and was originally titled "Let's Get > > Together" by Chet Powers, Dino's original name) on the 1966 > > "Jefferson Airplane Takes Off" album, but it didn't become a wide > hit > > until the Youngbloods recorded and released it in 1969. > > So the Airplane were the first to record it, huh? Now this is > something I did not know. Thank you for that nugget of info, Kakki. > > Mark > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:04:58 +1100 > From: Melissa > Subject: Harmonies > > Thanks for the posts Marian and Bobsart. I love Joni9s harmonies too. I > particularly love the harmonies on "Centrepiece". They are so groovy! I > had another listen to NRH, and there are so many rich moments. Thanks for > bringing this to my attention. (I must admit I had never noticed the dearth > of harmonies on Blue, but you are right - there are very few!) > > NP: Cherokee Louise > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:09:03 -0500 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today in History: November 3 > > 1967: Joni was featured from 9:30 to 10PM on New York City's WKCR radio "Broadside" program. > > 1968: Joni performs at The Main Point in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania. > > 1998: Joni performed in Rochester. > More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981103.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainRochester1198.html > - ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:09:03 -0500 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today's Library Links: November 3 > > On November 3 the following articles were published: > > 1969: "Joni's newest hope - Production of movie" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=762 > > > 1998: "Dylan Takes a Chill Pill" - New York Post > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=227 > > > 1998: "Mitchell and Dylan Among Friends" - New York Times > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=232 > > > 1998: "On a Bill With Bob, Joni Gets Back to the Garden" - New York Daily News > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=224 > > > 1998: "Pop Legends' Playful Sides" - New York Newsday > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=225 > > > 1998: "The Bob & Joni show is not a hot ticket" - Calgary Herald > (Concert Preview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=739 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:55:19 +1100 > From: "Don Whiteman" > Subject: Re: CSN&Y permavine, njc > > Hi Laurent or Emiliano, > > I would like to be on your permavine for the 3 vcd CSN&Y stuff. Of course > being Australia and so far away i woul dbe very happy to just receive copies > and to make other copies for othewr downunder. > > Emiliano don't let Mercury in retrograde worry you too much, life is far too > short in astronomical terms for us to worry about a small planet going > backwards. > > stay well my friend > > Don > In Sydney > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2003 #544 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:41:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Other COVERS news! Subject: Re: What I don't like reading NJC Wow, Wally: what a list of fantastic & beloved writers you don't like! BTW, that *manual* Puig is a Freudian slip, isn't it? Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: martes, 04 de noviembre de 2003 6:13 Asunto: RE: What I don't like reading NJC > i don't like books or movies or music or anything that everybody's talking > about. as soon as something becomes the talk of the town, i immediately > develop a perverse bias against it and don't even touch it for years and > years and years. in 99% of the cases, i am proved right. the writer, > painter, whatever turns out to be just a fad. in some cases, i am wrong and > i enjoy reading the book or listening to the album and i usually get it at a > bargain price to boot because it's *old*! > examples: > i will never read the harry potter books (i will but in 10 or 20 years). > i never listen to mozart. > i have never heard bob dylan. > i will never listen to rufus wainwright (sp?) > i never watched M.A.S.H > etc. > > as to what i don't like reading because i don't enjoy it, i don't like > experimental literature, especially things that were experiments 100 years > ago, like ulysses by joyce or most of the stream of C. stuff. it's ok and i > know that there are people that genuinely like that stuff. but in my case, i > wouldn't want to get a shot of the beta version of penicillin. i'd rather > get the finished product. > > i don't like books that don't entertain me. if i have to do all the work for > the writer, i'd rather write the book myself. > > some writers i hate: > virginia woolf > paul auster > jorge luis borges > les bronte soeurs > jane austen > chaucer > the latin american boom writers except for manual puig, whom i adore on my > knees > > writers i worship: > nancy mitford > alice munro > muriel spark > robertson davies > patricia highsmith > ef benson > joe keenan > edith wharton > evelyn waugh > john wyndham > fey weldon > pg woodhouse > > there are more ma non troppo. > > wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:31:48 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Dick Cavett Show 1969 > This video has already been treed Not so fast there, Muller! It sounds to me like what is being offered is the *entire* Dick Cavett post-Woodstock show, which I would love to see. The snippet that has been treed only features the Joni part of the show. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:34:13 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Dreams- OBE's NJC I had a wondrous dream- actually I think it was an Out of Body Experience- in the wee hours today. There I was, in my kitchen, (in the dark) standing next to my stove, looking towards the kitchen door, and there walked in Jeff, sans clothing. I distictly remember my voice exclaiming in surprise- 'you're here!' He walked up to me, as if he was in a daze, or just woke up, looking a bit perplexed. I embraced him and ran my hands over his back and I could feel him- it was just incredible, and so real. I kissed his cheek, and he just held me, and kissed mine back. I know we started to talk a bit, but don't recall the conversation. Then I woke, with the bathroom calling my name. After returning back to bed, I had more woundrous dreams, but they were not as the experience with Jeff. Since he had to be with his boys last night, I was alone, so this was an incredible experience. I have not talked to him yet today- I hope to soon, to see if he too, had the same dream. Last Thursday, we spent the evening in Racine, at his apt. We took a walk in this ritzy sub-division across the street. The evening was warm-67 degrees and balmy. As we walked, we talked about dreams, and how men were only supposed to dream in B&W. We laughed at that. (Maybe just straight men.) ;-P I related that alot of my dreams seem to look like what I saw at that moment- dark, like night, with spots of color where-ever there were streets/lights or houses, or lights on in a room. After my experience this morning, and remembering another OBE I had since I moved to my new place ( I saw myself sleeping while standing next to the light switch, and heard someone snoring softly. At first I thought there was some man in my bed, but then I noticed it was myself), I'm firmly believing that most of my dreams are OBE's. It's like I'm walking around in the dark! I do things, see people, talk, interact, like a dream, only it's dark. Like when you get up in the middle of the night to relieve yourself and you don't turn on the light. It's the same. Steve wondering if anyone can relate... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:30:42 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: joni contest on the roundup Hear ye, hear ye! I contacted Richardson's Roundup (CBC radio afternoon M-F program out of Vancouver) to let them know Joni's 60th birthday is on Friday. They are running a contest this week, asking people who have met Joni to send in their written stories of the meeting. If they read them on the air, you win something. I don't know what. The email address is roundup@vancouver.cbc.ca. Your stories have to be in by 2 this afternoon, when the show starts (it runs 2 to 4 o'clock) -- sorry for the short notice, I only heard about it yesterday aft and haven't been at the computer to do my duty toward y'all. They want your Joni song request too. Now I'd best get busy writing mine, which you've all heard before and which is too longwinded to be read over the air, but what the hell. Bill Richardson, the show's host, is a huge fan of Joan's and he'll enjoy it. You should be able to hear the show at http://www.cbc.ca/audio.html. Good luck all! Kate http://xoetc.antville.org who does she think she is? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:49:26 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: just a fan (njc) >>i think the critical issue is not what a person has faced, in terms of >>hardship / rejection etc, but how they have responded to it. whether a >>person has let it turn them bitter and unfeeling, or whether it has >>been responded to with compassion, depth and insight. feeling you are >>outside of the accepted norm does not give you any perspective >>whatsoever if you lack insight. however, in many cases, having >>insight will put you outside of the accepted norm. (ron) >I think this is exactly what Marianne was trying to say. It has given >her insight that she feels has made her a better person. I don't see >where either Marianne or I said anything about being bitter and >unfeeling. (Mark) >>a month or two ago i met a gay man, who was totally different to >>most i have met. in fact, that's not the right way to put it - he was >>just a helluva nice person, who happened to be gay. (ron) >He was a helluva nice person, huh? Totally different to most of the >other gay people you've met, huh? (Mark) >>being gay did not >>define him, neither did being an artist, he was just himself. he >>certainly did not hide it at all, it was very much a part of his >>identity, it just wasnt *the* defining part. (ron) >And again, I don't think either Marianne or I said that being gay >'defines' us. I agree that it is only one part of the complex beings >hat we are. I certainly don't feel that it entirely defines who I >am. But when I sit at my desk at work or in a departmental meeting >and people talk about their kids and their spouses or when I see a >heterosexual couple cuddling and kissing on the public street, I am >made aware of this aspect of myself, whether I want to be made aware >of it or not. And I am reminded that I am different and that, in many >people's eyes, I don't belong. Does it make me bitter? To an >extent, I suppose it does. But I don't let bitterness color my entire >life and personality. I also have to confess that it tends to make me >suspicious of people's attitudes and motives. This is something I >struggle with. But I am aware that this is my problem, not somebody >else's. (Mark) >> a truly refreshing person to me, he really made an impression on >>me & when mack showed that same attitude, i just had to say "amen" >>(you know what i mean im sure!!!) >unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and as >long as there are people who who choose to judge us by these things >and as long as some of those people have some power to affect our >lives, being silent or pretending the differences don't exist is >only going to do us harm. (Mark) > >not what i, or, i think, mack, was saying. dont be silent about it >>at all. but at the same time, dont let it define you. a person may be >>gay, but they may be many, many, other things as well - funny, >>sensitive, compassionate, or just plain good. let more things than >>just sexuality define a person. i know it may sound idealistic to >>expect other people to get it, but, there are some people who do. (ron) >I know there are other people who get it, Ron. This particular group >of people on the JMDL are a prime example of that. I'm not sure that >we really disagree. But I got the impression from your response to >Marianne that you somehow felt that there was something wrong with her >feelings about the different perspective being a lesbian has given >her. I think she was trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong, >Marianne, I don't pretend to speak for you or anyone else for that >matter) that being different has made her see the world in a way that >she would not have otherwise experienced. My impression was that she >felt positive about this overall, not bitter or obsessed with being >gay. (Mark) (pardon me if I mixed up who said what) I am sorry it took so me time to reply. Mark and Ron, What Mark has said pretty much sums up what I was feeling about the lessons I have learned by being a lesbian. And I do think it is important , in some way, to try and come out of the closet whenever possible. Hiding our sexuality helps keep the prejudice alive. Coming out is a continual process. . .. but it helps if you just try and be who you really are at all times. . . >And again, I don't think either Marianne or I said that being gay >'defines' us. I agree that it is only one part of the complex beings >that we are. I certainly don't feel that it entirely defines who I >am (Mark) Being a lesbian defines me as much as being a woman, being cacasian, having growning up in the city, now living in the country, being a vegetarian, being 5' 3", being a joni fan, etc... It all defines me. and being a lesbian definitely defines me.. . . especially because of the prejudice that is there. It has gotten much better in the last 50 years. But still, I think it is much harder to be a gay man in our society than a lesbian. People seem to be more prejudiced about gay men. >I think this is exactly what Marianne was trying to say. It has given >her insight that she feels has made her a better person. (Mark) I can hope that it has made me a better person. . . . *but this is it exactly*, it has given me quite a bit of insight, since the time I discovered that I was a lesbain (age 13). It taught me to question aurhority. . . and I started questioning things at a very young age. ie., don't believe everything others say, think and decide for yourself. . . that kind of thing. So. . . being a lesbain has really been a blessing for me, for this reason alone. LO VE Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #547 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)