From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #544 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 544 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Laurel Canyon [ash ] RE: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio [jrrose ] Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) [Janet Hess ] Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) [Deb Messling ] Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio [Murphycopy@aol.co] Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Sweet Bird ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Of internment camps and broken treaties... njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" <] RE: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Caf=E9_au_go_go_video?= ["kakki" ] Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - carnegie hall ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - and ronstadt ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Get Together ["Mark or Travis" ] Harmonies [Melissa ] Today in History: November 3 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 3 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: CSN&Y permavine, njc ["Don Whiteman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:00:46 +1100 From: ash Subject: Laurel Canyon From Tasmania. Exert from the 'Weekend Australia Review magazine'. 1st November 2003 page 19 by David Stratton (he of the Movie Show) Laurel Canyon (2 1/2 stars out of 5) Cholodenko's second feature, has almost exactly the same plot (reference to previous film?), though this time the setting is the eponymous canyon, located in the LA hills and immortalised in Joni Mitchell's Ladies of the Canyon album. Kate Beckinsale plays Alex who, Like (Ms.) Mitchell in the earlier film, is beautiful, intelligent and a bit naive, and who has a boyfriend, Sam (Christian Bale) she intends to marry. When he wins an internship at a Los Angeles hospital, they decide to move from the east of California to live in Sam's mother's Laurel Canyon house with it sheated swimming pool and prime location. Jane (the Joni character?...Ash) Francis McDormand (Joni?..if Joni was Keith Richards!! ...Ash) the mother is a record producer and had assured Sam, with whom she has always had a frosty relationship, that she would move to her beach house so that the couple can have the place to themselves; but when Sam and Alex arrive they discover Jane/Joni is very much in residence, working with a British rock band on an album. So Alex has to work on her dissertation (on the reproductive system of fruit flies) above the din and the smoke of pot and, would you believe it (?), finds herself getting seduced by the music, the drugs and Ian (Alessandro Nivola) the band's lead singer and Jane's latest lover- and by Jane!. (er is this refrence that Joni is a lesbian?...Ash) Though Laurel Canyon is handsomely made and the actors acquit themselves well, the film compares badly with High Art in almost every respect and it takes an immensely long time to reach its numbingly frustration conclusion . end of review later in the afternoon on the Tv was another review, again Ms Mitchell's name came up in connection with the film and Frank Zappa. Ash....a Phreak I will watch this when it comes on late on our SBS TV channel next year and thanks for the '3 for 1' info. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:17:07 -0600 From: jrrose Subject: RE: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio I would be happy to play both of them for you. Hope you can check out the show! John >===== Original Message From SCJoniGuy@aol.com ===== >Catherine requests: >"I'd like to request "Dancin' Clown." And I'd like to >dedicate it to Bob Muller." >Thanks, darlin'. And John - if you do decide to play DC, please play the >title track from Hejira to offset it. > >Bob > >NP: Manitoba, "Crayon" Listen to "HIDDEN TREASURES OF ROCK 'N' ROLL", some of the best music you've never heard,every Monday on the net from 12-4PM CST at http://uicradio.pages.uic.edu/! ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:15:13 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Profane Lesbians (njc) At 11/2/2003 03:48 PM, Postmaster Notification wrote: >Your email has been quarantined by the email system. It has violated one >or more corporate policies. >Profanity Incoming Policy CONTENT FILTER > >Event: "lesbian" violated > >Please modify your email message to remove the offending word or words and >re-send your email. Joniphiles - Every day I have 50 zillion messages bounce back to me, usually as a result of non-working or full mailboxes somewhere out there. This one, however, caught my attention as it bounced back because some corporate filter tagged the word "lesbian" as profane. Just thought everyone should know so you can adjust your vocabularies accordingly. This has been a public service announcement from the JMDL. Thank you, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:32 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) Les, sweetheart, you have just done *wonders* for my reputation. Thanks. ;p Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who wonders whether it isn't actually "Profeline Lesbians" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:19:25 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) I would suggest that anyone whose employer filters out the word "lesbian" find another job, or at least find another email system. I'm not gonna avoid the word "lesbian" for some friggin' corporation's benefit. My library's systems administrator, in his infinite wisdom, has place blocks on the sequence CHAT and IRC so people can't use the library computers to chat. However, it also means that they are blocked from searching for information on CHATtanooga, or for the lyrics to the CIRCle Game. >At 11/2/2003 03:48 PM, Postmaster Notification wrote: >>Your email has been quarantined by the email system. It has violated one >>or more corporate policies. >>Profanity Incoming Policy CONTENT FILTER >> >>Event: "lesbian" violated >> >>Please modify your email message to remove the offending word or words >>and re-send your email. > >Version: 6.0.529 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:20:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) Lovely Lucy writes: << I have yet to be able to read more than two words in sequence of Ulysses by James Joyse without checking to see if martians have landed. >> James Joyce was a genius who happened to have had a classical education in a time when children were actually taught Greek and Latin and then studied great works in those languages. He also knew a great deal about Irish history and mythology and, as we Americans say, a bunch of other stuff. Add to that the fact that "U" is written is Joyce's brand of stream of consciousness, and you have a difficult work to follow if you are, as most of us are, not as generally up on things as this man born in the 19th century was. But here's the kicker, What makes "U" very hard for us to get into these days is the fact that it deals with one 24-hour period (June 16, 1904, I think) in a place (Dublin) that pretty nearly everyone alive today is unfamiliar with. So besides all Joyce's references to history and art and politics and religion and poetry and philosophy and classical stuff so on and so on, the book is very much about that one day and all that was happening at that time. If any one of us wrote a similar book about a day in the life of what we're familiar with -- say, Topsfield, Massachusetts, November 2, 2003 -- imagine how difficult it would be for people 100 years from now to follow and understand what we're, as Lucy might say, on about. All that said, I think it is possible to read "U" and have it be one of the greatest reading experiences of your life IF you realize all this and get yourself a good annotated "Ulysses" book to read along with the book itself. When I read "U" back in college, the best annotated *interpreter* -- for lack of a better word -- was RIchard Ellman. "U" will never be an easy read like, say, Maeve Binchy, but Maeve Binchy books will never be as wonderful or as rewarding. --Bob, who is still afraid of "Finnagan's Wake" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:35:43 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio Catherine writes: << And if we listen at work, we get fired. >> Then request "When All the Slaves Are Free," hold up your STRIKE sign a la Sally Field and go out with a bang! --Bob, who'll be celebrating Joni's birthday with a good old-fashioned covers Frisbee toss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:43:31 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Profane Lesbians (njc) On 3 Nov 2003, at 1:19, Deb Messling wrote: > I would suggest that anyone whose employer filters out the word > "lesbian" > find another job, or at least find another email system. I'm not gonna > avoid the word "lesbian" for some friggin' corporation's benefit. It might have filtered on the keyword "lesbian" as it's often found in spam mail. Keyword filters are one way to filter the vast amount of spam that enters companies. Not necessarily the best way, but *a* way. Many companies might quite reasonably point out to employees that:- (a) the company e-mail system is provided for business use only (b) few company business e-mails are likely to contain the word "lesbian", whereas a great deal of spam does (c) employees have little reason to complain that JMDL mail bounces as a result, much less a reason to seek an alternate employer Corporate e-mail systems are owned by the corporations: being their toys, they can chuck 'em out of the pram when they want... - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:55:25 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Sweet Bird Thanks for this, Laura. When I typed "joni mitchell" into a search engine, I was hoping there might be people who understood stuff like this. I'm glad you're here. Lama Laura said, >>This REALLY reminds me of Joni's song Sweet Bird Ours are guesses that are rooted in what this set of time and change is touching. It's all a guess like this. Everything I write is a guess like this. My guess is that society is in the birthing process so there's bound to be pain. But, the outcome is very hopeful. We've got to look beyond and see the sweetness in the bird.>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:58:08 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc From a hot, hot land south of the border, an unusually sweaty, bitter and bitchy Wally spits: << my congratulations to all the contributors and especially to those who started the thesaurus thread: hell and murphy (though i'm not sure the latter had anything to do with it). >> You're right, Wally. The thesaurus thread was all Hell's idea and she does deserve all the credit for its brilliance. All I did was praise her and call attention to what she had done while the rest of you were apparently asleep! And regarding our dear Helen . . . Do any of you think I resemble her? It seem as if everywhere I go lately eveyone tells me I look like Hell. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:16:29 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Of internment camps and broken treaties... njc I knew that the US broke every treaty they ever signed with the people who lived here before the Europeans came. I knew that the US interred Americans who had Japanese ancestors during WWII. I knew that the Navaho helped with codes during World War II. Today I learned in a PBS special that after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were able to read almost every coded message we sent (in English via Morse?) in the Pacific theatre. They seemed to be one step ahead of the US all the time and the reason was they had English-speaking code breakers. Lots of 'em. In this context, the internment camp idea finally got its first bit of credibility for me. Anyway, the Navajo code breakers changed ALL OF THAT. They stepped up because they felt their sacred land was threatened and they made a valuable contribution. BTW, if you've heard our national anthem sung in Navajo, you know it's an amazing thing. Or "America the Beautiful" sung by Ray Charles, for that matter! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:49:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc oh bob... i was just teasing... you know me too well to take umbrage at my silly asides. you are adored by wally. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Murphycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Domingo, 02 de Noviembre de 2003 10:58 p.m. > Para: emilianopd@mundo-r.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc > > > From a hot, hot land south of the border, an unusually sweaty, bitter and > bitchy Wally spits: > > << my congratulations to all the contributors and especially to those who > started the thesaurus thread: hell and murphy (though i'm not > sure the latter had > anything to do with it). >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:36:54 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc Wally writes: << oh bob... i was just teasing... you know me too well to take umbrage at my silly asides. >> I may or may not have meant what I said as a dig at you, Wally, but I am not sure. I have spent the day with the family and I am feeling unusually passive/agressive. What I really wanted to do was get in a plug for Hell and the brilliance of the whole thesaurus Joni concept. I can only think of one other exercise I did this past year in which I learned as much, and that was personal! The thesaurus Joni phenomenon gave me a heightened appreciation for words -- and for the humor and talent of so many people on this list. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:07:43 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Get Together Hi Emiliano, you wrote: > Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti for > some group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo album. The song first appeared (and was originally titled "Let's Get Together" by Chet Powers, Dino's original name) on the 1966 "Jefferson Airplane Takes Off" album, but it didn't become a wide hit until the Youngbloods recorded and released it in 1969. It is one of my favorite songs. I remember it staying on the charts for a couple years back then. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:18:41 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Caf=E9_au_go_go_video?= Bob wrote: > It's a collection of performances from the Cafe A Go Go in Los Angeles. I wish it had been but that Cafe is/was in New York. We had the infamous Whiskey A Go Go in L.A. ;-) I would love to see this video. Maybe the snippet you saw was from that compilation Joni video that has made the rounds here and there? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:24:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Volume 46...Covers, covers & more covers! >8. Lorin Grean - Green Fields/Big Yellow Taxi: Now this one is really pretty. Lorin (not to be confused with Lorne Green of Bonanza fame who recorded the cheesy "Ringo") uses a snippet of the first song to lead into BYT, with very nice acoustic & bass accompaniments which remind me of the intro music to "thirtysomething" if that rings any bells for anyone.< Another local sb artist, thanks bob for letting me know she did a joni cover! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:25:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) I'm miles behind on digests but this thread got me thinking how I wanted to reread an author that I loved once upon a time but I wonder if I will love his stuff as much as I did way back when...has anyone read books by Richard Brautigan? I am trying to remember the ones I loved...somehow there was one that reminded me of the song Ladies of the Canyon....Watermelon Sugar maybe? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:26:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Baby Blue, #1, and other stuff > made me wonder what other non-Joni songs can be played in Joni > tunings.< I am learning that almost any song can be played in certain alt tunings...with a little creative license... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:51:15 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - carnegie hall Bob S., Spyboy is a 3-piece rock band with a chick singer-songwriter. For 30 years people have been saying she should get a rock band and make records like Rondtadt's "HEART LIKE A WHEEL". She's done that and begun writing again. If Holden was knocking the mix, I'd believe that's possible. I can't access the New York Times site so I haven't read it. I doubt he'd knock Spyboy on musicainship because Holden does not have concrete in his auditory canals. I remain unshakably convinced, faithfully dedicated, to Emmylou's direction. I think her artistic choices are flawless. She was "alt-country" before the phrase was invented. She's the epitome of the "Americana" genre, the "roots movement". Whatever. If you want to hear this band with a great mix, I recommend the SPYBOY cd or the RED DIRT GIRL cd. The sound on the SPYBOY long-form video was mixed by Buddy Miller and he did a fine job. Emmylou's voice is stronger on this club date than it was on the WRECKING BALL cd. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:00:55 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC Lucy, Catherine's a barbarian alright. Trust me on this. :) Seriously, Ms. McKay was indulging in a bit of North American exaggeration for the sake of drama and humor. Royals just don't understand commoners but we appreciate it when you try. Well done. As we say in the States, "Sheesh, baby. I'ss coo. I'ss coo." Lama >Catherine, how can you ever say that you are a cultural barbarian.> McKay said, >>Now everyone knows what a cultural barbarian I am. As if there were ever any doubt.">> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:05:31 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - and ronstadt > Rondtadt's "HEART LIKE A WHEEL". - --What an album. Though have a really sweet spot for 'tracks of my tears', wheel is probably her best. Just can never get into Harris' voice. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:21:51 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: S&L: white label promo LP on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570192282 The description by an ebay seller named "jlamadoo" describes "SHADOWS AND LIGHT" this way: >Joni's finest hour? If you're reading this you have your own opinion. This band featured Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Lyle Mays, Pat Metheny, and Jaco Pastorius. Yeah, I'd say this is up there among her finest hours in a career stuffed full of exceptional hours. We love you, Joni. As you can see, the cover has been embossed with special gold marking and the white label indicates it was made for radio stations in a very early run. Audiophiles take note.> Gees, he sounds like one of us, doesn't he? :) Lama ps, bids start at $8 so noone's gonna lose any sleep over this purchase... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:34:36 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 2001 JoniFest pictures, njc My installation of XP "ate" the 2001 performance scans in Newburyport. Does anyone have all of mine from the Yahoo! site? Many of them are still there but we had more pictures than space so I was taking them down a dozen at a time to make way for a new dozen. I know this is a long shot. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:48:01 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Get Together wrote: > >> Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti >> for some group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo >> album. > > The song first appeared (and was originally titled "Let's Get > Together" by Chet Powers, Dino's original name) on the 1966 > "Jefferson Airplane Takes Off" album, but it didn't become a wide hit > until the Youngbloods recorded and released it in 1969. So the Airplane were the first to record it, huh? Now this is something I did not know. Thank you for that nugget of info, Kakki. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:04:58 +1100 From: Melissa Subject: Harmonies Thanks for the posts Marian and Bobsart. I love Joni9s harmonies too. I particularly love the harmonies on "Centrepiece". They are so groovy! I had another listen to NRH, and there are so many rich moments. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. (I must admit I had never noticed the dearth of harmonies on Blue, but you are right - there are very few!) NP: Cherokee Louise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:09:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 3 1967: Joni was featured from 9:30 to 10PM on New York City's WKCR radio "Broadside" program. 1968: Joni performs at The Main Point in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania. 1998: Joni performed in Rochester. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981103.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainRochester1198.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:09:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 3 On November 3 the following articles were published: 1969: "Joni's newest hope - Production of movie" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=762 1998: "Dylan Takes a Chill Pill" - New York Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=227 1998: "Mitchell and Dylan Among Friends" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=232 1998: "On a Bill With Bob, Joni Gets Back to the Garden" - New York Daily News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=224 1998: "Pop Legends' Playful Sides" - New York Newsday (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=225 1998: "The Bob & Joni show is not a hot ticket" - Calgary Herald (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=739 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:55:19 +1100 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re: CSN&Y permavine, njc Hi Laurent or Emiliano, I would like to be on your permavine for the 3 vcd CSN&Y stuff. Of course being Australia and so far away i woul dbe very happy to just receive copies and to make other copies for othewr downunder. Emiliano don't let Mercury in retrograde worry you too much, life is far too short in astronomical terms for us to worry about a small planet going backwards. stay well my friend Don In Sydney ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #544 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)