From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #543 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 543 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni : In Other Words ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #542 - BSN in film [BRYAN8847@aol.com] next mercury retrograde njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Caf=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= au go go video [Rick and Susan ] Re: Perma Vine discs ["ron" ] Fw: Metis njc (fol AOL members) [Emiliano ] Fw: Who do we tell? NJC (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9_au_go_go_video?= [Doug ] Oh my God - GREAT Joni in new movie [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Fw: Cranky C & N [Emiliano ] RE: vegetable abuse NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: vegetable abuse NJC (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio [Catherine McKay <] Re: vegetable abuse NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: vegetable abuse NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:16:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni : In Other Words michael, once again, all my appreciation for this wonderful project that you undertook. my congratulations to all the contributors and especially to those who started the thesaurus thread: hell and murphy (though i'm not sure the latter had anything to do with it). i would love to receive an electronic copy. i have a cable modem connection so it won't that long to download. thank you! wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:21:52 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #542 - BSN in film In a message dated 11/2/2003 12:01:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Oh my God - GREAT Joni in new movie > > Ok - I'm emerging from the lurk world to bring news about some great Joni > moments in a new movie I saw tonight "Love Actually". Has a great cast, > very > lighthearted, ok a little corny, but a nice change of pace. So..., the Joni > content: At one point Emma Thompson is listening to some Joni in the > background (couldn't quite make out the song because my young friend who > knows I love Joni started asking me " is that Joni Mitchell?" Anyway, the > dialogue goes something like this. Husband " I can't believe you still > listen to Joni Mitchell" Emma (wife) "I can't help it, she taught me to > feel". Then later in the movie, there's a long scene in which the Emma > Thompson character receives the "Both Sides Now" CD set for a Christmas > present and.... well I don't want give away the movie but I will say they > play about a minute of BSN with close ups of the album cover. Aaah, it was > sweet!!! > Sue Wow, that's awesome. BSN is included in the soundtrack CD too. They are promoting the daylights out of that film, maybe it will be a hit -- and cause BSN to go platinum (sure, right). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:46:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: next mercury retrograde njc a word of advice about the holiday shopping: from astrology zone: "next month Mercury will retrograde from December 17 to January 6. You will begin to feel Mercury's slowdown as early as December 1. It is never wise to spend large amounts of money while Mercury is retrograde. This means that holiday shopping will be quite difficult in December this year. Stores will run out of merchandise and shipments will run late. If you get started working on all your plans in November and finish things up by month's end, you will enjoy the season so much more. If you are thinking, wait, wasn't Mercury just retrograde? Yes - in September. There is not much we can do about it other than to try to make November the best it can be!" so get wise, folks, wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:49:22 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Caf=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= au go go video Has anyone ever heard of or seen a video called Cafi Au Go Go Folk Rock Vol.1?: http://tinyurl.com/tble It seems to contain 3 performances by Joni plus others. I can't figure out from what I could find if it's been released and is no longer available or if it isn't out yet. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:50:04 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Perma Vine discs hi >>>john wrote >>>>Please note: the recipients name and email address for these Perma-Vines should be posted to the group so others can track the flow.<<<<<< ok - the original is on its way to richard flynn, statesboro, ga, & a copy on its way robert argento in florida. ron np - arlo guthrie - darkest hour (perfect for lazy sunday mornings) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:26:35 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Metis njc (fol AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Catherine McKay" ; "Timothy Spong" ; Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 7:48 Asunto: Metis njc > metis (i actually have l'accent but i know the word will post as something > weird when you read it) comes from the latin "mixtus" = mixed. the word > mestizo in spanish has the same etymology. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:29:33 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Who do we tell? NJC (for AOL users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 8:44 Asunto: RE: Who do we tell? NJC > i'm just back from partying and celebrating. > > today we had our gay pride parade in buenos aires. we do it on november 1 > for 3 reasons: > > 1- it is the anniversary day of the first gay rights organization in > argentina (november 1, 1962) > 2- june weather is harshly cold here and you simply CAN'T go to gay pride > day celebration in a down coat. > 3- we always do things on the wrong day here. > > our parade is a very political event. no floats or anything like that. we > usually start at the roman catholic cathedral and hurl assorted vegetables > at members of the clergy that happen to venture outside. from there we march > on toward the national congress building (about 30 blocks away) and we have > speeches and rallies and a few minutes devoted to kissing. everybody kisses > everybody (REAL kissing). then we turn on the music and dance and some of us > take some of our clothes off and go rather wild. > > this year we were about 4,000 g's, l's, t's, t's, b's and q's. not a great > turn out but it sufficed. > > so, going back to the subject line question, it seems as though in buenos > aires we just tell everyone. > > personally, i also tell everyone. i hold hands with alberto in the streets, > i kiss him in the supermarket and i cook for his children and his mother. > when someone frowns upon such displays or says something that is supposed to > intimidate us, i take a variety of stands: > 1- i ignore them > 2- i insult them > 3- i take my genitalia out and show them > 4- i get into a fight and kick their heads in > 5- i talk to them > 6- i suggest they find a therapist > 8- etc. > > i don't believe in the possibility of an integrated world, at least not in > the near future. many institutions have either to change or to disappear > before we can even begin to talk about educating the masses. my view is that > this is my square yard and you'd better think it twice before you trespass > because i'll defend my territory in the true Neanderthal fashion. if you > have a problem, i won't go to your house and i won't ask you into mine. but > if you want to fight, i'll fight and take no prisoners. > > if i ever denied or hid or equivocate, i would be committing the worst sin > against god and nature: i would be dishonoring the man i love. his love is a > gift from god. i don't want to be peter denying jesus thrice before sunrise. > > so i am militant. i hope someday all these things won't be an issue anymore, > but they are an issue now. so i am militant and i fight for my GLTTBQ > brothers and sisters. i am proud of who and what i am because i had/have to > work hard to be free and when homosexuals rationalize themselves into > thinking that your sexual identity and your sexual narrative is a private > issue i just think i would like to slap them repeatedly across the face and > give them a piece of my mind. literally, a piece of my mind so that they > would put back their frontal lobes where they should have always been. > > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:31:00 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Joni : In Other Words njc (fol AOL users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "michael o'malley" ; Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 9:16 Asunto: RE: Joni : In Other Words > michael, > once again, all my appreciation for this wonderful project that you > undertook. my congratulations to all the contributors and especially to > those who started the thesaurus thread: hell and murphy (though i'm not sure > the latter had anything to do with it). > i would love to receive an electronic copy. i have a cable modem connection > so it won't that long to download. > thank you! > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:31:40 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: next mercury retrograde njc (for AOL users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 9:46 Asunto: next mercury retrograde njc > a word of advice about the holiday shopping: > > from astrology zone: > > "next month Mercury will retrograde from December 17 to January 6. You will > begin to feel Mercury's slowdown as early as December 1. It is never wise to > spend large amounts of money while Mercury is retrograde. This means that > holiday shopping will be quite difficult in December this year. Stores will > run out of merchandise and shipments will run late. If you get started > working on all your plans in November and finish things up by month's end, > you will enjoy the season so much more. If you are thinking, wait, wasn't > Mercury just retrograde? Yes - in September. There is not much we can do > about it other than to try to make November the best it can be!" > > so get wise, folks, > > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:19:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Murphycopy writes: "Ha! Maybe Rod Stewart will Google himself next! And then he'll start publicly dissing you and calling you Loretta! Better yet, maybe he'll apologize for his latest album. " Or better yet, "Roberta" which would be my first name, middle initial, and would jive with Joni too! And I certainly don't dis Rod's entire career, he's done some absolutely knockout stuff. Handbags & Gladrags, Mandolin Wind, Maggie May (of course) & others all classics in my book. Especially loved his cover of the Vanilla Fudge version of "You Keep Me Hangin' On". Anyway, the fact that he CAN do good work makes this latest bile so hard to take. Hey, if Fleetwood Mac can have a great comeback, so can Rod. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:29:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: amelia/buckley (SJC) Bruce writes: "Someone posted about Betty Buckley's show in NYC where she did Amelia. This I would really love to hear." Well, it goes without saying, but a gigantic "me too" on that one, Bruce. For several reasons; first - Joni cover. Second - Joni cover from Hejira. Third - Joni cover from Hejira sung by Betty Buckley! We have several outstanding Joni covers by Ms. Buckley already; A Case of You, River, and a beautiful take on I Had A King where she introduces it with a song called "If I Remember You Right" and the blending of these two just brings tears to the eyes. It's lovely. Hopefully she's performing this in her cabaret act as a warmup to recording it. In other Joni cover cabaret news, Judy Kuhn is performing at Joe's Pub in NYC and includes "Let the Wind Carry Me" as well as "All I Want". The former is of special interest as it's never been covered as far as I know. Hope that leads to a recording as well! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:35:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beating the Covers Paul writes: "Dang! Another one got away!" Well, don't let it stop you Paul, and thanks for looking out for me. Like they say, many hands make light work! And it CAN be done...both Jimmy and Michael (Quebec) have come up with scoops for me in recent months. Thanks guys! And while I'm thinking about it, that Cris & Holly cover is really fine. They do a better job than Joni with telling the story, and the fact that it's two distinct voices makes the "study war no more" and "lay 'em down" overlapping choruses less redundant and monotonous than it is on CMIARS. They also strip away some of the synthetic sounds that are on Joni's version. Even though I'm still no fan of the song I enjoy their take on it better than our Joni's. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:40:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Caf=E9=20au=20go=20go=20video?= Ranger Rick writes: "Has anyone ever heard of or seen a video called Cafi Au Go Go Folk Rock Vol.1?:" If it's what I'm thinking of, I've got a bit of it. I haven't seen it in awhile. It's a collection of performances from the Cafe A Go Go in Los Angeles. I remember specifically Joni's performance of Little Green, because she sings it, the audience cheers at the end and Joni offers up the most fascinating expression - a combination of happiness for their applause, and sadness over the song's content. It sounds cornball but it's really there. Hard to describe. There's also a performance of Dave von Ronk performing "Both Sides Now" which he calls "Clouds". I don't know if the entire thing is out on video or not. I've never seen it come up on ebay. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:44:56 EST From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Perma-Vine rules in a nutshell In a message dated 11/1/03 6:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:09:01 -0800 > From: Rick and Susan > Subject: Re: Joni and James PermaVine > > Okay, I think I put this permavine out for the taking once and got no > takers so here goes again. This is the Joni and James Taylor concert > recorded in London in 1970. I will send the original to the first person to > ask for it and a copy to the first burnerless person to respond. Sorry I no > longer have the official permavine rules but maybe CDTrader John could > repost them? > > Rick > In essence, no one gets to keep the vine discs for themselves. They get to MAKE THEIR OWN copy from the original vine disc . . . they agree to make a copy for a burnerless person . . . and they must offer and pass along the ORIGINAL vine disc(s) within 72 hours of receipt to another person who agrees to do the same. This way everyone eventually gets an opportunity to have these wonderful, and rare, Joni performances in their collection in great quality. Lastly, each recipient of the vine disc(s) must post the NEXT recipient's name and e-mail address to JMDL so others can track the progress. It is the responsibility of the last holder of the vine disc(s) to monitor whether or not the next person reoffers as promised. What happens if the person you send it to doesn't reoffer promptly? Firstly, remind them of their promise and obligation to reoffer. If that doesn't work within a week, I'd remind them again. If that still doesn't work, then I'd post an announcement to JMDL that this individual (by name and e-mail) refuses to reoffer the original vine disc and therefore other JMDL members will be deprived of their opportunity to enjoy this show in the future. If that still doesn't work, I'd banish that person from JMDL -- but that's not my call. After all, this is all about sharing. Enjoy, John P.S. -- In the event that there are no takers after several offerings (as was the above case), I'd suggest that every month or so the holder of the vine disc(s) repost their offer to JMDL until a recipient is found. This way, new members to the group can get the same opportunity everyone else had and the vine can continue from there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:12:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Perma-Vine rules in a nutshell "I'd post an announcement to JMDL that this individual (by name and e-mail) refuses to reoffer the original vine disc and therefore other JMDL members will be deprived of their opportunity to enjoy this show in the future." Well, all it really means is that the vine has pretty much completed its run. These shows remain available to anyone here who wants them from a number of sources, myself & many others. It's not as though the vine is the only way for folks to obtain material, although it IS a good & fun way and you are to be applauded for your initiative. " If that still doesn't work, I'd banish that person from JMDL -- but that's not my call." A little extreme I would say...JMDLer's are classic procrastinaters, but rarely deadbeats. In my 5+ years of trading and distributing stuff amongst the good people here, only once I have been burned by a guy who didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Bob NP: Paul Desmond, "Song To A Seagull" (beautiful jazz for a Sunday morning) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:35:30 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - emmylou harris review - carnegie hall http://movies2.nytimes.com/2003/10/27/arts/music/27HARR.html Above link is to Stephen Holden's review of the Emmylou Harris concert last Saturday at Carnegie Hall. Appeared in NY Times on Monday. Y'all remember him - he is the NY Times critic who appears in the WOHAM special. I think this review is accurate. If anything, quite kind. He really wanted to write nice things about this concert. I was wondering about a couple of things, that perhaps some of our sound people (Paz ?) and performers might help me understand. 1. Why do most sound people seem to get the volume balance between the drums, bass, electric guitar and voice wrong (usually drowning out the vocals ?) Also, too much 'boom' on the vocal mikes ? Is this symptomatic of a "love of volume for volume's sake syndrome" among people attracted to the art/science of being sound people ? (that said, the live mixing at Jonifest was much, much better than the live mixing at Carnegie - even there, though, occasionally the point was missed - for example, I was disappointed when I found it tough to follow the lyrics on one or two of Stryngs' songs, not because of Chris's bass, but because of Martin's acoustic guitar, which was beautiful but surely not intended to muddy the vocals. 2. Why do so few accompanists realize that their job is to accompany the star, not be the star ? A good example was with the drummer at this concert (whose instruments should not have been miked at all, IMO, but whose actual playing might have been too loud even if he had not been miked - which, unfortunately, he must have been). I believe this was Brady Blade (I hope I am not getting this wrong - if so, I sincerely apologize and would appreciate being corrected) but regardless of who it was, it would have been a much better concert if the drummer's playing at this concert were more like Brian Blades' playing at the PWW&M concert. And that difference does not go to the mixing - this drummer was doing too much banging, while Brian's playing was supersensitive on PWW&M (he's quite a musician, to my ears). Anyway, the bass player and electric piano player also suffered from this sydrome, and Buddy Miller's guitar was way too loud also. I learned at Jonifest that the monitors can be deceptive, but I just cannot believe that they deceived the musicians so badly here - isn't that part of what dress rehearsal is for ? Finally, Emmylou's decision to go with her electric band (I assume this was basically her SPYBOY band ? - can one of you Emmylou fans out there confirm ?) was touchingly loyal, but not selfish enough, in this case. The Carnegie Hall concert was a really big deal for her - I thought I heard her say that her parents were there - but the only songs that sounded good were the two or three that she did solo (or at least which started out solo) with her acoustic guitar. The set list was fine, and her performance was fine. A real pity. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:00:34 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: vegetable abuse NJC Hi Wally, Even though I know this isn't really a laughing matter... you crack me up!!!! You wrote: > we usually start at the roman catholic cathedral and hurl assorted > vegetables > at members of the clergy that happen to venture outside. You would make a more powerful impression on them if rather than hurling, you handed them these precious veggies in baskets to feed the hungry. But that's not your goal is it? Did you know St. Francis also took off his clothes on the city streets in protest? The catholic church cannonized Francis in the end. Watch out Wally... Our Lady of Guadalupe is after you! Thanks for a very flamboyant and interesting post. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:13:43 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC CAtherine McKay wrote..(in response to Smurphs points about TO THE LIGHTHOUSE By the ever fragile V Woolf ".......I guess I never was that smart to begin with, and I'm dumber now than I ever was. Had to study "To the lighthouse" in first-year university English and I had to force myself to read it. My prof went on and on about how wonderful it was, but I just couldn't get into it at all and, as a result, I never wanted to read anything else by V. Woolf. There. I said it. Now everyone knows what a cultural barbarian I am. As if there were ever any doubt." CAtherine, how can you ever say thay you are a cultural barbarian. I know from the posts on and off this list that you are a woman of incredible sensibility and mind and add to that the singing voice of an angel and an ascerbic wit that leaves the driest of us needing a towel to dampen ourselves to meet you even half way.... Literary appreciation is, I have found, a question of horses for courses.... you get ot or you dont. There are many who say they "get" something and really dont... there are those who get it and go on about it like it matters, there are those (me amongst them) who just think "WHY BOTHER" it is not going to change the fact the Ms Woolf is not one of the authors we gel with....and actually the sun still rises and sets. I have yet to be able to read more than two words in sequence of Ulyses by James Joyse without checking to see if martians have landed. It is uneffingfathomable.... bits are sublime ( the spaces bvetween the words are really easy to understand) and a few of the descriptions when not interspersed with musings, meanderings and the arrival and departure of characters whose histories are of no real interest. Mrs Dalloway is "a Lark, a Plunge!" in comparison and some of her other work is OK.. but to claim yourself to be a cultural phillistine is sooo way beyond harsh. It just does not matter....Art, Music, Theatre, literature, poetry is all a question of the beholders share, your own cultural heritage and what tickles your fancy and other parts of your brain... CAtherine you tickle parts of some of our brains, I possibly do the same, Some on the list never never let us find out if they touch us at all as they lurk forever in some grove of khaki thoughtfulness, camouflaged in whatever it is (I cannot see them they are so well hidden). But never beat yourself up for not getting the writings of some one sooooo wrapped up in their medium that I have to think they must have sat back at times and, upon reading through the days work, thought "what a load of hogs gonads that is but its stream of consciousness and hey! its fashionable right now.. now where is the beer.." Catherine you are a star.... let Ms Woolf go... Try "the Lovesong of J Alfred Prufrock for some sublime turns of phrase..T S Elliot knew how to write a good few words.... Keep shining gal... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:26:06 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: M=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=tis > A Metis is someone who is part Native (etc as above) > and part "white". I always thought the word itself > came from the French "Moitie" (again accent on the e) > which means "half", but I could be mistaken. The original Mitis were the children born of a French father and a Native Indian mother. When the French pushed their way into Canada as both fur-rers and fur traders, and later as agricultural settlers, the government encouraged them to marry into Indian families. It was hoped this would keep them in the country and foster cooperation between the original occupants, the natives, and the newcomers. The Mitis now are descendants of these people. Kate du Nord ~ 20F below this morning in Saskatchewan ~ - -- http://xoetc.antville.org who does she think she is? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:29:47 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: CSN&Y permavine, njc > What I meant to say: yes, Laurent, allow us to rejoice with these CSN&Y with > and w/out Joni! > Is that Big Sur fest commercially avaliable? I know Randy saw it just this > summer: was in tv or from some official released video? > >> Emiliano > Sure, I have 3 VCDs of CSN&Y (together and separate) from 66-73, hot stuff IMHO. The only thing is I have no idea whether they're in PAL or NTSC since my equipment reads both. Should I send them to you as Permavine? Whoever figures out what standard they're in can warn the others who may not be able to read them. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC --- Lucy Hone wrote: > > CAtherine, how can you ever say thay you are a > cultural barbarian. Quit flattering me, for God's sake! I'm trying NOT to post so often, so just knock it off, willya? I'm practicing detachment, planning for one day going to that cabin in the woods to be a hermit. I was kind of joking. Kind of. I don't get Woolf. I feel slightly, but not terribly, guilty about that, but c'est la vie, n'est-ce pas? > Literary appreciation is, I have found, a question > of horses for courses.... > you get ot or you dont. There are many who say they > "get" something and really > dont... there are those who get it and go on about > it like it matters, there > are those (me amongst them) who just think "WHY > BOTHER" it is not going to > change the fact the Ms Woolf is not one of the > authors we gel with....and > actually the sun still rises and sets. > > I have yet to be able to read more than two words in > sequence of Ulyses by > James Joyse without checking to see if martians have > landed. It is > uneffingfathomable.... bits are sublime ( the spaces > bvetween the words are > really easy to understand) LOL. I don't even remember if I read Ulysses. I know I've read some Joyce, but don't even remember if I read that one. If I did, I guess it doesn't matter anymore, does it? > but to claim yourself to be a > cultural phillistine is sooo way beyond harsh. Philistine was the word I was thinking of at the time, but I just couldn't remember it. I knew it was in the bible somewhere and I knew it wasn't Samaritan. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:52:17 -0000 From: "TheWizardOfIs" Subject: re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy Hone" To: ; "Catherine McKay" ; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC > I have yet to be able to read more than two words in sequence of Ulyses by > James Joyse without checking to see if martians have landed. It is > uneffingfathomable.... bits are sublime ( the spaces bvetween the words are > really easy to understand) and a few of the descriptions when not interspersed > with musings, meanderings and the arrival and departure of characters whose > histories are of no real interest. Ooh - danger, Will Robinson, danger! You're getting into my territory now. Believe me (I'm a doctor), Ulysses is not a difficult read. Figuring out Joyce's allusions and references is a work for academics, but the actually story - or, rather, what "story" there is - is extremely simple. If you believe that every time a character steps outside his/her front door a thrilling adventure awaits then so be it. But in the real world, and remember Joyce's Dublin was VERY real, this doesn't happen. Real life. (JJ once said that he hoped historians of the future could reconstruct 1904 Dublin from his literary descriptions. They frequently do.) But if you want some real fun, let's start a Finnegans Wake thread. Lesson one: the opening sentence. "riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs." Easy? Good. Only 628 pages to go..... (Am I barred now?) baadaye AMO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:43:47 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: calling Irish members Hi I'm not labeling this njc in order to reach you all. Next weekend my wife and I will be flying to Cork and spend 3 nights in Clonakilty and 1 night in the Kerry. We're going to catch the 1st John Martyn gigs since his accident of last year which cost him one leg. Any JMDLer in the area with whom we can have a pint? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:54:31 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9_au_go_go_video?= I'd never heard about it either but after a little research I found it was released Dec 31 1969 and was available on VHS, though I can't find anyone selling it now. If anyone can make a copy, please email. Doug >Cafe Au Go-Go Folk Rock V. 1 >Synopsis: >16 performances from the '60s and '70s including "Little Green" by Joni Mitchell, >"Subterranean Homesick Blues" by Bob Dylan and "Just Like a Woman" by Richie Havens... Rick and Susan wrote: >Has anyone ever heard of or seen a video called Cafi Au Go Go Folk Rock >Vol.1?: > > http://tinyurl.com/tble > > >It seems to contain 3 performances by Joni plus others. I can't figure out >from what I could find if it's been released and is no longer available or >if it isn't out yet. > >Rick > >. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:02:44 -0500 From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Oh my God - GREAT Joni in new movie Sue, Firstly, welcome out of lurkdom! Stephen and I saw the sneak preview of Love, Actually last night as well. OMG!!!!!!!!!!! BIG TIME Joni content!! My jaw was on the ground, and during the Both Sides Now scene, tears were rolling down my cheeks. I thought the movie was very sweet and entertaining. My kind of movie, really. But having all that Joni content was a *real* treasure. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:04:59 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) My prof went on and on > about how wonderful it was, but I just couldn't get > into it at all and, as a result, I never wanted to > read anything else by V. Woolf. There. I said it. Now > everyone knows what a cultural barbarian I am. As if > there were ever any doubt. Lucy already said it much better than I could, Catherine, but I just wanted to add my two cents. Someone of your intelligence, perception and wit could hardly be considered a 'cultural barbarian'. It's all a matter of taste and opinion. If you don't like or 'get' Ms. Woolf, so what? I certainly don't pretend to have anything like a comprehensive understanding of what her writing is all about. There are many pieces of music, literature, art, etc. that are lauded as great that I don't 'get'. If that makes me an uncouth, uncultured bumpkin, so be it. Mark 'Tis the refuge we take when the unreality of the world weighs too heavy on our tiny minds. Relax. Sink into it. You're no better than the rest of us' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:13:18 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: CSN&Y permavine, njc Hi, Laurent! I fear I won't be able to tell about its standars (PAL or NTSC): my very cheap standalone dvd-player won't surely play them, and I think I should see them on my computer (wich I usually use to play musical videos from our SIQUOMB, Warren Zevon on Letterman show...). So, I'd like to receive the copies of your discs you'd kindly send my way, make a copy for myself and *inmediately* reoffer them on list, so another happy member could have his/her chance to watch this *very* interesting stuff. Many many thanks! and Have a Wonderful journey to wonder Emerald Island! Sure you'll enjoy a lot your trip. And going to see John Martyn, too! Emiliano NP: Poor, poor pitiful me, Warren Zevon, Seattle, 3/20/2000 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Laurent Olszer" Para: "Emiliano" CC: Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 18:29 Asunto: CSN&Y permavine, njc > > > > > Sure, I have 3 VCDs of CSN&Y (together and separate) from 66-73, hot stuff > IMHO. The only thing is I have no idea whether they're in PAL or NTSC since > my equipment reads both. Should I send them to you as Permavine? > Whoever figures out what standard they're in can warn the others who may > not be able to read them. > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:26:25 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Cranky C & N excuse me if I forward myself, but this wasn't intended to Laurent only! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Emiliano" Para: "Laurent Olszer" Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 1:05 Asunto: Re: Cranky C & N > Hi, Laurent, a very well told story! > > Let me add something: "Come together" was composed by Dino Valenti for some > group I can't remember now just about the time of his solo album. I read > about it (in his web page) just after discovering our SIQUOMB's joyous > performance in this beautiful PBS show de mis amores (much beloved to me). > ... I know I've bored all of you to death before talking about this show... > hey, Doug, you've got it? > > What I meant to say: yes, Laurent, allow us to rejoice with these CSN&Y with > and w/out Joni! > Is that Big Sur fest commercially avaliable? I know Randy saw it just this > summer: was in tv or from some official released video? > > Carry on! & > Have a Wonderful time! > Emiliano > > NP: Summertime in England, Van Morrison, Somewhere over the mountains > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: "Laurent Olszer" > Para: > Enviado: sabado, 01 de noviembre de 2003 18:11 > Asunto: Cranky C & N > > > > I've been mulling over this thread about Croz being bitter, etc. , waiting > to > > find the right words. > > I've always felt a special cosmic bond to Croz, as strong as my bond to > Joni. > > So I can only convey my feelings about him in a personal manner > > When I went to the bookstore in W.Hollywood where Croz was signing > authographs > > for the release of his bio, I was accompanied by a 75 year old friend (the > one > > who passed away last august at 90) who was himself quite a character. I > don't > > recall saying anything to Croz, I didn't need to. He just looked at us > and > > I'll always remember the look of complicity he gave me, which was both > intense > > and facetious, like he had figured me out without my saying a word, like > he > > knew me forever. > > > > On the other hand I just got some VCDs on CSN&Y between 66 and 73 which I > > watched last night. In one, there is a segment at Big Sur in 69 where > Joni > > joins them for this old hippie anthem I can't remember the name of, > perhaps a > > Joan Baez song about "getting together". I'm not sure whether this > segment is > > officially released (the VCDs all being bootlegs), if not I'll happily > make it > > available to the list (Permavine?). > > Joni looks gorgeous, Nash is obviously a love-addict and at his creative > peak > > with his muse. > > Quite a contrast with the next segment probably from 73: in it Nash is > just a > > shadow of himself, a total wreck, sarcastic, bitter and grumpy (I guess > > anybody would after been dumped by Joni). > > There's an obvious rivality between Nash and Stills, Croz is flying high > and > > Young is also in a dark phase, although for different reasons . Then all > 4 > > sing Neil's "Only Love can Break your Heart", with just Stills playing an > > acoustic bass, and one can sense the emotion in the singing of this > > appropriate song. > > > > Just some euro cents' worth of thoughts about the ups and downs and how > > anybody can have his or her cranky moments. > > > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:53:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: vegetable abuse NJC but the vegetables were rotten and they DID stink. they were good only for guerrilla purposes. many of the local glttlbq organizations run soup kitchens and community diners for the homeless (who became legion after the 2001 financial crisis). i'm on duty every tuesday night on a downtown corner. in fact, some of the homeless (who were middle-class people that lost their savings and homes in the recent past) participated in yesterday's parade. the organization i used to belong to and now i support informally is a member of the argentine human rights network, which includes the plaza de mayo mothers and grandmothers (i don't know if list members know who the mothers are). the mothers and quite a few political and human rights organizations consistently send support telegrams which are read over the speakers at the end of the parade. we in turn support other organizations' initiatives. it's a bog family. we conceive the glttbq community's fight as part of the larger spectrum of social causes. i think this is why we have civil union laws and strong anti-discriminatory legislation: when fundamentalist groups try to undermine the work of one societal sector, they attack the whole human rights movement and they get a much stronger counter-attack than they would if every group acted on its own. so, more succinctly, the vegetables wouldn't have been good for human consumption. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > LCStanley7@aol.com > Enviado el: Domingo, 02 de Noviembre de 2003 02:01 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar > Asunto: Re: vegetable abuse NJC > > > > You wrote: > > we usually start at the roman catholic cathedral and hurl assorted > > vegetables > > at members of the clergy that happen to venture outside. > > You would make a more powerful impression on them if rather than > hurling, you > handed them these precious veggies in baskets to feed the hungry. > But that's > not your goal is it? Did you know St. Francis also took off his > clothes on > the city streets in protest? The catholic church cannonized > Francis in the > end. Watch out Wally... Our Lady of Guadalupe is after you! > Thanks for a very > flamboyant and interesting post. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:59:42 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: vegetable abuse NJC (for AOL users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; Enviado: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 19:53 Asunto: RE: vegetable abuse NJC > but the vegetables were rotten and they DID stink. they were good only for > guerrilla purposes. > > many of the local glttlbq organizations run soup kitchens and community > diners for the homeless (who became legion after the 2001 financial crisis). > i'm on duty every tuesday night on a downtown corner. in fact, some of the > homeless (who were middle-class people that lost their savings and homes in > the recent past) participated in yesterday's parade. the organization i used > to belong to and now i support informally is a member of the argentine human > rights network, which includes the plaza de mayo mothers and grandmothers (i > don't know if list members know who the mothers are). the mothers and quite > a few political and human rights organizations consistently send support > telegrams which are read over the speakers at the end of the parade. we in > turn support other organizations' initiatives. it's a bog family. we > conceive the glttbq community's fight as part of the larger spectrum of > social causes. i think this is why we have civil union laws and strong > anti-discriminatory legislation: when fundamentalist groups try to undermine > the work of one societal sector, they attack the whole human rights movement > and they get a much stronger counter-attack than they would if every group > acted on its own. > > so, more succinctly, the vegetables wouldn't have been good for human > consumption. > > wally > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > LCStanley7@aol.com > > Enviado el: Domingo, 02 de Noviembre de 2003 02:01 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar > > Asunto: Re: vegetable abuse NJC > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > we usually start at the roman catholic cathedral and hurl assorted > > > vegetables > > > at members of the clergy that happen to venture outside. > > > > You would make a more powerful impression on them if rather than > > hurling, you > > handed them these precious veggies in baskets to feed the hungry. > > But that's > > not your goal is it? Did you know St. Francis also took off his > > clothes on > > the city streets in protest? The catholic church cannonized > > Francis in the > > end. Watch out Wally... Our Lady of Guadalupe is after you! > > Thanks for a very > > flamboyant and interesting post. > > > > Love, > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:25:55 -0600 From: jrrose Subject: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio I'll be celebrating Joni's 60th(!) birthday(11-7-43) on this week's "Hidden Treasures" show. The show is broadcast tomorrow(and every Monday) from 12-4 PM CST at http:uicradio.ws/ . You can request your favorite tunes by emailing me at jrrose@uic.edu or calling 312-413-2191 during the show. I hope you can join me! John Rose Listen to "HIDDEN TREASURES OF ROCK 'N' ROLL", some of the best music you've never heard,every Monday on the net from 12-4PM CST at http://uicradio.pages.uic.edu/! ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:45:06 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: how did this happen? (NJC) wow, our list seems to have become a debate or discussion or a flipping out of ideas about homosexuality. Prejudice has been part of the world since adam and eve bit the apple or since the cell divided, whichever you happen to find more comforting. prejudging can lead to interest which can lead to fear or excitement, which can lead to hatered or a thirst for knowledge. the races don't have the opportunity to choose who to tell, they just are who they are and it's fairly plain to see what their skin tone is. religions can be very much the same, depending of the practitioner. with sexuality, we have the choice to keep it secret, but with that comes the added "burden" of possibly being hated by those to whom you are closest. it's a crap shoot and you don't get to choose who you are in any case, only how you behave in accordance to who you are. so who do you tell?? anyone by whom you are not afraid of being hated, misunderstood, or facinated by, anyone who's opinions and beliefs you will allow them to have. the fact is tho, you don't have to tell anyone, lovers, haters, the intrigued, the wonderers and those who don't give a rats hieny, they'll figure it out. i'm not saying everyone will, but enough will and many will never say a word about it. if ya wanna talk about it, go ahead, if ya don't cool. if ya wanna hang with "your own kind" do it, if ya wanna hang with anyone who will hang with you... go for it. me, i try to do it all cause that way i learn and experience and grow with less blinders. acceptance, forgiveness and love. just my thoughts. peace Noel ,the somewhat well known jmdl lesbian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: vegetable abuse NJC --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > but the vegetables were rotten and they DID stink. > they were good only for > guerrilla purposes. LOL, Wally. Good for you. There's nothing like a good vegetable-throwing! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio I'd like to request "Dancin' Clown." And I'd like to dedicate it to Bob Muller. Thanks. ;-) Wish I could listen but the sound is gone on my computer at home until my nerd decides to come back. And if we listen at work, we get fired. (Now there's a plan...) --- jrrose wrote: > I'll be celebrating Joni's 60th(!) birthday(11-7-43) > on this week's "Hidden > Treasures" show. The show is broadcast tomorrow(and > every Monday) from 12-4 > PM CST at http:uicradio.ws/ . You can request your > favorite tunes by emailing > me at jrrose@uic.edu or calling 312-413-2191 during > the show. I hope you can > join me! John Rose > > Listen to "HIDDEN TREASURES OF ROCK 'N' ROLL", some > of the best music you've never heard,every Monday on > the net from 12-4PM CST at > http://uicradio.pages.uic.edu/! > ! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:48:46 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: vegetable abuse NJC In a message dated 11/2/03 3:05:19 PM Central Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > LOL, Wally. Good for you. There's nothing like a good > vegetable-throwing! > Wally reminds me of a new twist on Ghallager... have you ever seen Ghallager? I love plants and felt really strange to see Ghallager butcher them for kicks. I'm glad Wally's were rotten. I got an idea for next year Wally... sling some road kill!!! Love and laughs, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: vegetable abuse NJC --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > Wally reminds me of a new twist on Ghallager... have > you ever seen Ghallager? > I love plants and felt really strange to see > Ghallager butcher them for > kicks. I'm glad Wally's were rotten. I No, I've never seen him, but I would also feel very bad about someone butchering anything for kicks. It just bothers me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:46:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Birthday Celebration Monday On Internet Radio Catherine requests: "I'd like to request "Dancin' Clown." And I'd like to dedicate it to Bob Muller." Thanks, darlin'. And John - if you do decide to play DC, please play the title track from Hejira to offset it. Bob NP: Manitoba, "Crayon" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #543 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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