From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #540 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 540 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- What I'm reading (NJC) [Keith Epley ] Re: What I'm reading (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: "Prowler" and Davis/Slick (LJC) ["David Rahall" ] And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] what would you be? (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: PermaVine status? [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] RE: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Globaldust ["Lori Fye" ] Fw: Ani, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: just a fan (njc) ["ron" ] RE: What I'm reading (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: PermaVine status? ["ron" ] Jonifest 2004 [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Happy Hallowe'en - njc [Catherine McKay ] The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: just a fan (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: What I'm reading (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] TRAVELOGUE, used $17 in a store ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC ["kakki" ] Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Today in History: November 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:42:34 -0600 From: Keith Epley Subject: What I'm reading (NJC) I am all over the place with Henry James' prefaces, E. M. Forster (Howards End being my own personal bible), looked over a quick lend from a friend-erstwhile teacher in my undergrad days: a couple of books on Vico and Joyce. I have also been paying homage to Roger Corman and Mario Bava films. This afternoon I leave for New Orleans, and the plane ride to and fro will allow me a little snuggle with Forster's A Room with a View. I will have to look into the bio of Woolf mentioned in the list. Aubrey Mennen (spelling?) referred to Woolf as a "twenty-four karat gold bitch"--admiration knows no bounds, as my wise aunt once said!. By the way, how many of you were amused/surprised at the rush to read Dalloway (we insiders can say Dalloway, with the right wine, of course:-) !) after watching The Hours? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:20:33 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: What I'm reading (NJC) In a message dated 31/10/2003 11:06:41 GMT Standard Time, keith.epley@wku.edu writes: << By the way, how many of you were amused/surprised at the rush to read Dalloway (we insiders can say Dalloway, with the right wine, of course:-) !) after watching The Hours? >> Well, the film certainly piqued a little curiosity about Woolf and her writing. Just wondered if I was the only one here who was disapppointed by The Hours, though. I thought it was a botched, self-consciously "highbrow" affair, too literally schematic and pat; reminded me of the Onion's delightful phrase "Emmy award-fishing drama". Nicole Kidman with a rubber nose was just plain odd, though I couldn't decide whether it was a good acting performance or not. I found the scenes with Julianne Moore almost excruciating (though obviously that's my problem not hers). Even Meryl Streep was a bit of a let-down (her turn in Adaptation was far more impressive, I thought). I've seen John Reilly's sad-sack turn far too often, while Ed Harris's performance as the noble gay artist seemed like pure cornball caricature. Everyone in the film has been much better in other things, which suggests that the direction is the problem. Beware the dead hand of Stephen Daldry at the tiller! Azeem in London NP: Oh Susanna - Sleepy Little Sailor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:49:45 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: "Prowler" and Davis/Slick (LJC) Speaking of a crowd of musicians hanging out, both Grace and Joni appear on David Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name," and both of their photos grace the inner "whatchamacallit" of the gatefold LP (along with Graham Nash, Neil Young, Jerry Garcia, Paul Kantner, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart, David Geffen, and others). I could be wrong, but I think Paul Kantner refers to this bunch as the Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra (not to be confused with his later album that has that title). David R "I'll admit I may have seen better days, but I'm still not to be had for the price of a cocktail...like a salted peanut..." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "Keith Epley" ; Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: "Prowler" and Davis/Slick (LJC) > > To the fellow who, like me and Whitman contains "multitudes," can > > laud Davis and Grace Slick in the same voice--way to go. Slick was > > always the"seedier" (along with the hyperborean Lou Reed) > alternative > > to Joni Mitchell. > > Seedier? I don't get that. Maybe wilder, more outrageous, more > explicit (but at the at the same time often more obtuse) but seedy? I > don't think of Grace as seedy. At least not any more so than the > crowd of musicians she hung out with. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Today in History: October 31 --- ljirvin@jmdl.com wrote: > 1968: > 1976: Dressed as Art Nouveau, the character who > graces the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - > Joni hit the Halloween party scene. > More info: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=9 This article is worth is for the photos alone - beautiful! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:16:59 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Oh Kate! I am very dissapointed with Rod's statements. I know that Rod has had his ups and downs, but now it seems that he is becoming very bitter. How sad no matter who you are! Hmm....how do I feel about his comments being passed over for a grammy? I think that Rod is a fantastic performer as I do Sting. We've always been taught to be gracious in defeat as that is a sign of good character, but sometimes people just let their emotions get the best of them and they blurt out things that they later regret. It's a shame because the rest of us can just offer an apology if anyone even cares and move on. Rod's comments are out there for all the world to see and it hurts his marketability as an artist. I'm believing that Sting and the other artists Rod insulted are going to be a little more forgiving of his actions because they are not going to stoop to Rod's level. They know that Rod is going through some inner turmoil right now. It's just a shame that the consequences are so dramatic and so costly. Sherelle Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:20:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC >"Perhaps it's because he's got a knighthood," Stewart added. "I don't know why I haven't got any honor. I do my bit for charity." He also complained at being passed over for a Grammy Award in favor of British rival Sting, calling him "Mr. Serious who helps the Indians," and nicknamed singer Elton John "Sharon." < Or perhaps its because he ain't got no class... _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:33:23 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC See what I mean? Smurph might beg to differ on that assessment!! lol! -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:18 PM To: Maggie McNally; David Rahall; Joni List Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC a kind > and gracious list member. > Don't listen to her. The above is about Maggie herself, not me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:02:03 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: just a fan (njc) >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:32:54 +0100 >From: "Paul Mepschen" >Subject: re: just a fan njc >mack wrote: >>I am so very weary of being classified, categorized, and referred to as a >>gay >>man. I am >>homosexual, true, but that isn't who I am.......If homosexuals continue to >>efer to themselves as an exclusive >>group, then we can not expect the world at large to stop doing the same >>thing. Joni has fans, straight, gay, sideways, upwards, green, blue, >>yesterday and tomorrow. I am just a fan and just a man, no more and no >>less >>and my sexual proclivities do not define me. Just my opinion of a burr >>under my saddle. >Well, I disagree. I would agree with you if we lived in a world that was >less >heterocentric and less homophobic. By saying what you say here, you make it >sound like we, as queer people, choose our exclusion ourselves. But the >reality is that we live in a society where heterosexuality is defined as >normal and homosexuality as other. We therefore do not choose our >otherness, >it is forced upon us. In fact, if did NOT refer to ourselves as exclusive, >we >would give up much of what keeps us safe in the present world, where >homophobic violence in an everyday reality. If we would no longer have our >bars and clubs and what have you -- our community -- we would have to >depend >on the kindness of heterosexuals. Well, there are a lot of heterosexuals >that >I love very much, but when I walk into somewhere I want to be sure that I >am >respected there -- I would love to stop referring to myself as a >homosexual, >and I will do it when heterosexuals stop referring to themselves as normal. >peace, >Paul of the Netherlands I like what you said there Paul. . . . especially the part about, "I would stop referring to myself as a homosexual, and I will do it when heteroxuals stop referring to themselves as normal." Poignant statement. . .. Marianne, btw, I have learned so much about human nature, this life around, by being a lesbian. ie. the absurdities, the narrow mindedness, the failure of people to THINK for themselves. . . the power of socialization. . . . etc. interesting journey xxoo _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:08:25 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: what would you be? (njc) I was so impressed with Bob's top ten reasons why the list is quiet. . . A true creative writer you are, Bob. . . . .SO, because the list is quiet, I thought I 'd tell you what some of my middle school students are asking each other this week: Asking a girl: "If you were a boy would you be gay or straight?" Asking a boy: "If you were a girl would you be gay or straight?" What would you be? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:53:37 EST From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Re: PermaVine status? Can someone please tell me who is holding the PermaVine discs I recently put into circulation on this group? I haven't seen mention of them in a while and the agreement is that they are kept moving (recipients agreed to pass along these discs within a few days of receipt). I'd like to put more shows out there, but I see no point if some people are going to just keep them for themselves -- which, by the way, is against the agreement they made when accepting the discs in the first place. Hopefully, they've been circulating and I'm just no very observant! Thanks, John in Massachusetts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:11:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC I agree, it is a shame he let himself go there ... It was juevenile really & never ever a good idea to dis another artist publically...yes, you said it well- being gracious in defeat is the sign of someone who is in a good place... >Oh Kate! I am very dissapointed with Rod's statements. I know that Rod has had his ups and downs, but now it seems that he is becoming very bitter. How sad no matter who you are!< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Cags Subject: whatcha reading? NJC Grabbing onto an old thread: "Small Wonder", Barbara Kingsolver A collection of essays all inspired by 9.11 but branching out to deal with family, hope, community and local farmers. Very inspiring, sincere and reconnecting. Read her wonderful description at http://www.kingsolver.com/ Highly recommended, best book I've read all year, Gregg NP: Bob Dylan's Blues, Bob (Freewheelin') +;%+;'+;%+;'+;%+;'+;'+;%+;'+; Gregg Cagno greggno@pobox.com www.greggcagno.com +;%+;'+;%+;'+;%+;'+;'+;%+;'+; "i cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions." -lillian hellman Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:04 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Globaldust Got this from a Jonatha Brooke discussion list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ffstrangers/) ... Joni is listed in the Singer/Songwriter category at number 18 of the top 20. I think we should change that, don't you? (Jonatha is listed in the same category at number 15.) http://www.globaldust.com/about.php __________ Globaldust is an online demographic reference point for music fans around the world. Users can search for their favorite artist and see where other global fans are located. They can also add their own location to the artist's fanbase to represent their community and country. Other than being a fun resource to toy with, Globaldust allows worldwide artists to view demographic information about their fans. This is a helpful tool for any artist, large and small. So feel free to browse around, add your location to a fanlist, or suggest a new artist. John Patrick Creator __________ Happy posting, Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:22:16 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Fw: Ani, njc - ----- > > In Paris it was 99% lesbians (not that I > > > care, just curious). > > > > How do you know? Did you check their IDs? ;-) > > > Perhaps Wally and others can better answer that question, but I could just tell. Must be my feminine intuition. And by the way sexual orientation isn't on IDs yet. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:32:44 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: just a fan (njc) hi > Marianne, wrote >>>>> btw, I have learned so much about human nature, this life around, by being a lesbian. ie. the absurdities, the narrow mindedness, the failure of people to THINK for themselves. . . the power of socialization. . . . etc. interesting > journey well, marianne, i dont know you all that well so this is based on a little time at the fest & some of your postings. i have to say i think youre missing the point here. ive seen absurdities, narrow mindedness, failure of people to think, etc as you mention. never been a lesbian tho :-) but, surprise, surprise, ive also seen the exact same traits in gay people. even on this list :-) i perceive as being a really nice person. but you know what, id be willing to bet youd be just as nice, if you happened to be straight :-) tho perhaps not with the same characteristics and life experiences, thats what i like about mack's earlier post. see past the sexual identity - enjoy the person for who they are. i know some straight people who cant see past the gay identity, & by concentrating too much on that arent the gay community just perpetuating the stereotypes by just reinforcing them in the minds of people who cant see past them???? so i guess what im trying to say is i dont think anyone's orientation makes them anything. you get bad and good in straight/gay/bi & all other combinations. being gay may expose you to certain prejudices i havent experienced. but on the other hand i have experienced certain prejudices you havent. i know im stating the obvious here - sometimes we just need reminding of it :-) ron np - soni dada live ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:57:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What I'm reading (NJC) keith epley, keith epley, who are you? james, forster, corman and bava! you must be I, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Keith > Epley > Enviado el: Viernes, 31 de Octubre de 2003 07:43 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: What I'm reading (NJC) > > > I am all over the place with Henry James' prefaces, E. M. > Forster (Howards > End being my own personal bible), looked over a quick lend from a > friend-erstwhile teacher in my undergrad days: a couple of books > on Vico and > Joyce. I have also been paying homage to Roger Corman and Mario > Bava films. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:16:51 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: PermaVine status? hi ok - mea culpa - the vine disc has arrived here by me courtesy of emiliano, & is ready to be forwarded on to the next corner of the world!! so - the first burner endowed person to respond will get the original, & the first burnerless person to respond will get a copy - what a bargain!!!! respond quickly & therell be a bonus in the envelope for you (emiliano included a tasty george harrison show for me - lovely stuff indeed & many thanks!!) details of the show are joni mitchell - 7 july 1969 mississippi river festival southern illinois university edwardsville, illinois (formerly identified as 30 November 1969, Los Angeles, PBS - TV) ron np - sonia dada live ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:33:40 -0500 From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 Vince wrote: < Why mention that? Because if I am to have any chance of attending 2004 JoniFest, those are the weekends that I cannot go to JoniFest.>> Well Vince, it looks like you have NO excuse this year to not attend Jonifest 2004!! Although I cannot "officially" announce anything until the contract negotiations are finalized, it looks like the dates for Jonifest 2004 are August 26-30. So, all of you that like to plan ahead (Stephen Epstein not being one of them) throw that date on your calendars and signups will follow as soon as the ink is dry on the contract. Also, please remember the deadline is coming up to update DVD orders for Jonifest 2003 as well as place new orders. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:23:09 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Rod is definitely not in a good place right now. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that they are having a bad go of it, but I was thinking the same thing: when you are in the public eye you don't diss someone also in the public eye. A friend of mine who has his own studio and has worked with many well known artists told me to always watch what I say about an artist; I might meet up with them one day. Good advice! Sherelle >From: "Kate Bennett" >To: "'Sherelle Smith'" >CC: >Subject: RE: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:11:11 -0800 > >I agree, it is a shame he let himself go there ... It was juevenile >really & never ever a good idea to dis another artist publically...yes, >you said it well- being gracious in defeat is the sign of someone who is >in a good place... > > >Oh Kate! I am very dissapointed with Rod's statements. I know that Rod >has >had his ups and downs, but now it seems that he is becoming very bitter. >How >sad no matter who you are!< > _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:17:36 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: perma vine status hi ok - the perma vine has been snapped up & will be winging its way back to america!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Happy Hallowe'en - njc Happy Hallowe'en, boos and ghouls! May all your hauntings be by happy random thoughts that arrive in unexpected and wonderful ways. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:42:52 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC Number ten: Don't Interrupt the Horror Number nine: Scalp Me Number eight: Night Walk Home Number seven: Scary Number six: Two Gray Teeth Number five: Harry's House (Reece's Pieces) Number four: People's Pumpkins Number three: The Three Great Candy Mints Number two: The Last Time I Saw Witches And the number one Joni Mitchell Halloween song . . . BOO! Happy Halloween! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:04:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC baby, you sure must be missing your daily letterman fix... wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Murphycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 31 de Octubre de 2003 10:43 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC > > > Number ten: Don't Interrupt the Horror > > > Number nine: Scalp Me > > > Number eight: Night Walk Home > > > Number seven: Scary > > > Number six: Two Gray Teeth > > > Number five: Harry's House (Reece's Pieces) > > > Number four: People's Pumpkins > > > Number three: The Three Great Candy Mints > > > Number two: The Last Time I Saw Witches > > > And the number one Joni Mitchell Halloween song . . . > > > BOO! > > > Happy Halloween! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC Bwa-ha-ha! Here's a few more... - - Fright in the city - - Song to a seaghoul - - Tin devil - - That song about the midnight - - The ghoulery - - Evening Transylvaniatown - - Ladies of the coffin - - Waily - - Big yellow coffin - - Wood stake - - Raised on grave robbery - - A case of boo - - In Transylvania they suck blood on Vein Street - - The Boo Hoo dance - - Shadows and fright - - Song for scarin' - - Nightmareland - - Dracula's bloodless daughter - - The shrieky wails of horror - - God must be a boogie man (didn't have to change that one!) - - The werewolf that lives in Lindsey - - The dry cleaner from Demons - - Sweet bloodsucker dance - - You scream flat tires - - Good fiends - - Shiny teeth - - Raise Dad's body back --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Number ten: Don't Interrupt the Horror etc. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:49:47 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC I laughed so hard at these, Catherine, the trick-or-treaters ran away ! - - In Transylvania they suck blood on Vein Street - - The shrieky wails of horror - - The werewolf that lives in Lindsey - - Raise Dad's body back --Bob, going out now to scare someone new ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:58:22 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: just a fan (njc) > thats what i like about mack's earlier post. see past the sexual > identity - enjoy the person for who they are. i know some straight > people who cant see past the gay identity, & by concentrating too > much on that arent the gay community just perpetuating the > stereotypes by just reinforcing them in the minds of people who cant > see past them???? > > so i guess what im trying to say is i dont think anyone's orientation > makes them anything. you get bad and good in straight/gay/bi & all > other combinations. being gay may expose you to certain prejudices i > havent experienced. but on the other hand i have experienced certain > prejudices you havent. Not knowing you, Ron, I don't know what prejudices you have faced in your life. I can only speak from my own experience and I have to say I have often felt the way Marianne does. If you live life as someone who is outside of the accepted norm, it gives you a perspective that those on the inside, from my personal observation, to a large degree do not share and do not understand. It forces you to challenge very basic precepts that many of us were brought up with. So you either learn to think for yourself and find your own answers outside of the teachings of society and religion or you most likely end up living a life wracked by guilt, feelings of rejection and low self-esteem. Ideally I think it would be wonderful if we could all look at one another and see each other's essence without all the claptrap and clutter that superficial things such as appearance and not so superficial things like sexuality bring into our perceptions of one another. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and as long as there are people who who choose to judge us by these things and as long as some of those people have some power to affect our lives, being silent or pretending the differences don't exist is only going to do us harm. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:14:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: just a fan (njc) --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > > Ideally I think it would be wonderful if we could > all look at one > another and see each other's essence without all the > claptrap and > clutter that superficial things such as appearance > and not so > superficial things like sexuality bring into our > perceptions of one > another. So do I, Mark. So do I. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:22:44 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: What I'm reading (NJC) > << By the way, how many of you were amused/surprised at the rush to > read > Dalloway (we insiders can say Dalloway, with the right wine, of > course:-) !) after watching The Hours? >> I re-read 'Mrs. Dalloway after seeing 'The Hours'. My interest in Woolf actually started with the film 'Orlando' which I found (still do find) to be most intriguing! Eventually I read the novel or 'biography' as Woolf called it. Then sometime later Marleen Gorris directed Vanessa Redgrave in 'Mrs. Dalloway' and that prompted me to read that book. This has been a pattern with me for most of my reading life. Movie adaptions have often inspired me to read the books they were adapted from. I have read 'The Voyage Out' and 'To the Lighthouse' as well (pick it up again, Murphy. It's worth the effort). > > Well, the film certainly piqued a little curiosity about Woolf and her > writing. Just wondered if I was the only one here who was > disapppointed by The Hours, though. I thought it was a botched, > self-consciously "highbrow" affair, too literally schematic and pat; > reminded me of the Onion's delightful phrase "Emmy award-fishing > drama". Nicole Kidman with a rubber nose was just plain > odd, though I couldn't decide whether it was a good acting > performance or not. I found the scenes with Julianne Moore almost > excruciating (though obviously > that's my problem not hers). Even Meryl Streep was a bit of a > let-down (her > turn in Adaptation was far more impressive, I thought). I've seen > John Reilly's sad-sack turn far too often, while Ed Harris's > performance as the noble gay artist seemed like pure cornball > caricature. Everyone in the film has been much better in other > things, which suggests that the direction is the problem. > Beware the dead hand of Stephen Daldry at the tiller! Well I absolutely love the film of 'The Hours'! I own it on dvd and have watched it twice since seeing the film in the theatre. I think Julianne Moore is amazing. Her portrayal of a woman trying to force herself into a life that she doesn't really want and is not suited for is gut-wrenching. And Meryl is always fascinating to watch. I thought her performance in 'Adaptation' was a bit over the top but that's what it was supposed to be. So it's hard to compare but I did think she was brilliant in 'The Hours'. Ed Harris as well. Didn't see cornball caricature there, just a man who is tired of living life as a mere husk of a human being. Nicole Kidman's portrayal of V. Woolf is a bit harder to judge. I don't think it was a good representation of the actual person from the little I know about her. Somehow I don't see the woman who wrote 'Orlando' as being so constantly brooding with an ever-present pensive frown on her face. Also the false nose made her eyes look kind of small and squinty and Woolf had very beautiful, large, deep-set eyes. But I think the fault is with the script more than with Nicole's performance. Kidman actually managed to make me forget she was an actress playing a part. The nose helped but I do think she was able to immerse herself in this role and deserves all the kudos she has gotten for it. Whether she was giving anything like an accurate representation of Virginia Woolf is another story. I think the one part of 'The Hours' that didn't work for me was when Jeff Danielss character showed up at Clarissa's apartment. Somehow his appearance doesn't seem to be sufficient impetus to push Clarissa over the edge. Part of it is that the parallel with 'Mrs. Dalloway' really breaks down here and doesn't work, imo. Clarissa Dalloway has a visit from Peter Walsh who was very much in love with her and wanted to marry her. She rejected him to marry a man who would give her security and a safe conventional life. Somehow having Clarissa Vaughan's former lover's subsequent lover show up doesn't have the same impact. Oh god I have written WAY too much about this and bored anyone who has had the perserverance to slog through all of this to death. I'll stop now. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:43:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC Murphy, you are so frickin funny. LOL I had to stop by my office on the way to the bar so Ed could change into his Tina Turner costume! Happy Halloween! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:13:27 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TRAVELOGUE, used $17 in a store Muller said it this week. I saw it for myself today. Stunned in Covington, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:23:09 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Hey Sherelle and Kate, Maybe I'm weird but I kind of laughed at Ron's comments and felt like he didn't really mean them. Like he said it all in mock outrage when in reality he might actually be good friends with Sting and Elton. I thought maybe it was his British humor poking at his fellow blokes. At any rate, I didn't think he was being serious, but who knows? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:29:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Halloween Songs -- NJC you guys r a scream.... rosie in weird NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:40:24 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Oops, I meant ROD, not Ron! ;-) By the way, he has a place out here near the beach and plays with a local soccer team. A friend of mine who is a fan has run into him a few times at a little local pub and shamelessly tries to chat him up. He's considered just a regular guy. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:09:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What I'm reading plus a librarian question (NJC) Mark writes: << I have read 'The Voyage Out' and 'To the Lighthouse' as well (pick it up again, Murphy. It's worth the effort). >> I have read "Dalloway," "The Years," and "Orlando" since the beginning of the year. I liked them all very much, although I couldn't figure out how Virginia Woolfe could go on for hundreds of pages in "Orlando" without even mentioning Disney World. (Just kidding.) My problem with "To The Lighthouse" is that I tried to read it several times over the years and just couldn't get into it. But I feel much smarter now, so I will give it another try. A question for our librarians: What is the best way to search for a list of a writer's complete -- and I mean complete -- works? Like even obscure magazine short stories from 30 years ago? I am looking for something I think Allan Gurganis wrote for Esquire in the early 70s. It's very important for me to find out what it may have been. If you've got advice, feel free to respond off list because I am sure no one is interested in this! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:01:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 1 1968: Joni performs at The Main Point in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania. 1969: Joni performed at the Centennial Auditorium in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=365 1972: Joni performed at the Troubadour in Los Angeles. 1996: Joni was honored by her native Canada, receiving the prestigious Governor General's Award in a ceremony in Ottawa. 1998: Joni performed at Madison Square Garden on the tour with Bob Dylan. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981101.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainNewYorkCity1098.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:01:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 1 On November 1 the following articles were published: 1988: "Manslaughter Plea Expected In Beating Death Of Jazz Musician" - Associated Press (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1108 1996: "Lady of the Canon" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=260 2000: "Beyond the star-making machine" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=550 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #540 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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