From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #538 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 538 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Grace Slick 1978? and Joni on the Movie Show? [ash ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! [Jerry Notaro ] whatcha reading? NJC [Emily Tedrowe ] Re: just a fan njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC ["Maggie McNally" ] re: just a fan njc [Steve Polifka ] Re: whatcha reading? NJC [Steve Polifka ] Re: Ani, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: whatcha reading? NJC ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: whatcha reading? NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: whatcha reading? NJC [Emily Tedrowe ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: whatcha reading? NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: whatcha reading? NJC ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Why the list went quiet! ["JOYCE CHEPCHUMBA" ] da Vinci code (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: whatcha reading? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: whatcha reading? NJC ["myrtlmoo@ticon.net" ] Mouthful of Tongues NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] re: just a fan njc [Susan Guzzi ] This that...Ani, Laura book, Joni 3 albums box sets (1 third Joni content!) ["amelio747" ] Re: This that...Ani, Laura book, Joni 3 albums box sets (1 third Joni content!) [frasere@int] Re: Joni geffen ["amelio747" ] Re: Joni Geffen box set ["kakki" ] Re: whatcha reading? NJC ["David Rahall" ] Re: Ani, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: whatcha reading? NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: whatcha reading? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Why the list went quiet! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Geffen box set -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: whatcha reading? NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:58:29 +1100 From: ash Subject: Grace Slick 1978? and Joni on the Movie Show? From Tasmania so many threads and so little time....... another name!...Grace Slick...who I paid money to see and did not appear...!! Its 1978?.....We get tickets to see Genesis at Knebworth in England and my friend says yeah Jefferson Starship (or were they Airplane still??) are support with Grace Slick..and who has this habit of showing her wobbly bits...mmmm...I only 20!! So its a huge open air concert....Knebworth......then we hear over the concert loudspeakers.....that Grace will not appear....(we later learn shehas been arrested in Amsterdam..drugs or being drunk?..so were the Dutch getting a free flash??) A huge portion of the crowd started booing..I had come to see Genesis...so I was not bothered. and it was annouced that Paul Kantor (sp) has to do the singing..coz Grace was not coming.....look I am easy going as anyone one...but jeez it was awful and embarrassing to hear...did he have a cold? I think I got drunk thru boredom at this stage ...Genesis were great and even Devo...who hurled insults at us...so did I miss anything with Grace?...only teasing! hated...we built this city on rock n roll !!!!!.....see I tease? and last night on TV at 8.30pm we have this 1/2 hour show called the 'Movie show' well they were waffling on about a film called 'Laurel Canyon'...a recent release (inspired? or using an older female songwriter? as a background piece?)...well this older woman (the actress) is called Jane and is going to seduce her son's girlfriend?.....also she surrounds herself with has been muso's and is having a writers block with her new album.....well the 'Movie show' hosts...says "is it about Joni Mitchell ? " The actress who plays Jane/Joni is more akin to Keith Richard (is it with an S these days?) mother!!! Can any one enlighten me on this film?? I was brought up with a mother who loved Hollywood (1930's to 1970's) and had all these autographed photos (yes I know some were signed by the secretaries!), magazines, film scores and worshiped...Bette Davies and Leslie Howard, were her heroes (that's whom I am named after, not Bette but Leslie Howard in Gone with the Wind.....what a wimp!...I wish it could have been Rhet...damm!!)...so please do not even hint that old Betty was a dyke...my mum had trouble with the word ....thespian! or ...fasten your seat belts....its going to be bumpy ride from the spirit world...I am sure she would have shrugged off Rock Hudson being gay?...but not Doris Day!!! My mother had all these Judy Garland 78's...which I would listen to..plus Deanna Durbin (?)..so really its sad to see Lisa M like this...imagine having that group to a dinner party..Liz Taylor, Michael Jackson...and talking of Liz..she liked/loved gay men? and last Travelogue..it has really got to me...... I was shocked to hear this on 1st play.....but for months now..I have played and played this and it never bores me!!..its a master piece..to me. I jotted down what I felt I could hear.....Westside story, American in Paris, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Oklahoma, High Society, Jesus Christ Superstar, Sound of Music, John Williams (Star Wars, ET, Close Encounters etc) Elgar, Elmer Bernstein (all those big Western themes) Muir Matheson..and the chap who did the Clint Eastwood film..The Good, the Bad the Ugly......music from Hitchcock films...Grand Opera, High Jazz Funk, Celtic, Brass bands (oooh Northern English upbringing) Sunday hymn music .......and PASSION and very warm blooded...ooooh I love all those solo trumpet moments on this....to me its like....great movie and musical themes from the 40's to 60's..which I brought up on..it just gets better on every listen!!. Ash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:10:14 +1100 From: ash Subject: Geffen From Tasmania Our local trade in your unwanted stuff ( a pawn brokers) shop..has just become a record shop...so I ask what Joni stuff he can get? Geffen Cd (the 4 Cd one). mmmmm how much? I ask ...$156..Australian dollars!!! mmmm back to Ebay for that! we don't have Walmart here so I ordered the WOHAM as a DVD for my birthday, recommended by Bobsart, all the early stuff by Joni is between $16 and $20 Australian dollars..while the later stuff is $30. Now a question?... on the list he can get is ......'3 for 1' a Joni CD for $30..is this a best of Joni? Ash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:07:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Debra>So, is anyone else here watching and enjoying the new tv show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." I love those guys!< Oh yes I love that show! & I have a bit of a crush on the "hair" guy! Lol! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:20:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC >"Perhaps it's because he's got a knighthood," Stewart added. "I don't know why I haven't got any honor. I do my bit for charity." He also complained at being passed over for a Grammy Award in favor of British rival Sting, calling him "Mr. Serious who helps the Indians," and nicknamed singer Elton John "Sharon." < Or perhaps its because he ain't got no class... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:02:43 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Joni Track: Grandeur et Decadence ? (for AOL users) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "michael o'malley" ; Enviado: jueves, 30 de octubre de 2003 2:50 Asunto: RE: Joni Track: Grandeur et Decadence ? > dear michael, > i have just written to the only user that has commented on the movie asking > for the information. he might own a copy of the movie and thus be able to > check out on the soundtrack listing. he might also think i'm nuts and ignore > me completely. as turandot says: "vedremo!" > wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:09:34 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Ani, njc Kate wrote: . The opener was Hammel on Trial who is another great guitar player (acoustic) > & good showman... The best opening act I ever saw, great player and a comic genius (1 notch below Smurph, of course). Had to get his 2 CDs at the venue. I can see how little > Ani & Joni really have in common other than being very independent & > very influential on other female songwriters. I think the fact that Ani uses open tuning does a lot to increase the similarity to Joni's sound. By the way, since there's a gay thread going on, how was the audience at the show? In Paris it was 99% lesbians (not that I care, just curious). Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:25:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! And I would ask her if she still considers this her "box set." That is how she described the release on CBS This Morning! Jerry > Les said, >> 1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" were released.> > > I guess this a good time to discuss the back catalog. If Joni called me > tonight I'd ask her: > > "Did releasing 'hits' kill off your back catalog or, more likely, WERE YOU > FULL OF SHIT?!" > > Over the years (7 ?!?) there have been several young people who've joined the > JMDL and said that their first Joni CD was 'hits' or 'misses' and found her > work incredibly worthy. > > All the best, > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:32:54 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: re: just a fan njc mack wrote: >I am so very weary of being classified, categorized, and referred to as a gay man. I am >homosexual, true, but that isn't who I am.......If homosexuals continue to refer to themselves as an exclusive >group, then we can not expect the world at large to stop doing the same >thing. Joni has fans, straight, gay, sideways, upwards, green, blue, >yesterday and tomorrow. I am just a fan and just a man, no more and no less >and my sexual proclivities do not define me. Just my opinion of a burr >under my saddle. Well, I disagree. I would agree with you if we lived in a world that was less heterocentric and less homophobic. By saying what you say here, you make it sound like we, as queer people, choose our exclusion ourselves. But the reality is that we live in a society where heterosexuality is defined as normal and homosexuality as other. We therefore do not choose our otherness, it is forced upon us. In fact, if did NOT refer to ourselves as exclusive, we would give up much of what keeps us safe in the present world, where homophobic violence in an everyday reality. If we would no longer have our bars and clubs and what have you -- our community -- we would have to depend on the kindness of heterosexuals. Well, there are a lot of heterosexuals that I love very much, but when I walk into somewhere I want to be sure that I am respected there -- I would love to stop referring to myself as a homosexual, and I will do it when heterosexuals stop referring to themselves as normal. peace, Paul of the Netherlands - -------------------------------------- Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Tedrowe Subject: whatcha reading? NJC hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading these days? i just finished j.m. coetzee's "elizabeth costello." i had never read any of his novels before, and was intrigued, especially since he won the nobel prize earlier this year. this novel was very intense--it's written as a series of lectures given by elizabeth costello, an aging australian novelist. her life's work and her "beliefs" (the very word is challenged in the book) are minutely examined as she travels the world to discuss animal rights (she is an ardent, militant pro-animal spokesperson), the future of the novel, and the legacy of the Holocaust. you learn about her personal life in sharp snatches (her troubled relationship with her son, her ex-lovers), but the focus on the book is really on a woman's thinking life, and this was why i found it so powerful. it also deals with the sadness and anger of growing old in a really complex, fascinating way. i read that coetzee himself has given some of these lectures in "real life," and so there must be some overlap between himself and e. costello as an alter ego--but i found this metafictional aspect much less interesting than the wholly realized character herself. she's stuck around in my head several days after finishing the book. next up for me will be maxine hong kingston's "fifth book of peace," which courtney is reading now. these two books have been our most recent "anniversary books"--each year on our wedding anniversary we give one another a book, and read our gift, then switch and read the other's. we like that because it's a simple, but meaningful, exchange. just wondering what y'all are reading... - -- emily, in chicago Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:43:07 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: just a fan njc paul wrote: t was less > heterocentric and less homophobic. By saying what you say here, you make it > sound like we, as queer people, choose our exclusion ourselves. But the > reality is that we live in a society where heterosexuality is defined as > normal and homosexuality as other. We therefore do not choose our otherness, > it is forced upon us. In fact, if did NOT refer to ourselves as exclusive, we > would give up much of what keeps us safe in the present world, where > homophobic violence in an everyday reality. If we would no longer have our > bars and clubs and what have you -- our community -- we would have to depend > on the kindness of heterosexuals. Well, there are a lot of heterosexuals that > I love very much, but when I walk into somewhere I want to be sure that I am > respected there -- I would love to stop referring to myself as a homosexual, > and I will do it when heterosexuals stop referring to themselves as normal. > I rest my case. mack > --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:55:04 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! I feel like she did that to shut up the suits who were pressuring her to do a "greatest hits" package...it has proven to be effective as a gateway drug to Joni for many, so the proof is in the pudding. Hopefully the people who pick it up realize that this CD is akin to reading a collection of chapters from different books, and they're drawn to pick up the whole volume. Unfortunately, she's really missed the opportunity to capitalize. Her friends CSN got it VERY right a couple years back with their 4-CD box set, mixing the familiar with the unreleased/alternative tracks, and this box-set still sells phenomenally well. It hasn't lost any value at all. Even the folks who have their whole catalogue had to get this one for all the goodies on it. But in Joni's case, she's already re-released her "hits", so that's out. She just put out some unreleased material, but it was buried in a 4-cd set (that should have been 3) surrounded by cd's that nobody wants. Tiny berries surrounded by huge thorns. As has been witnessed here, this Geffen set has not been a big seller EVEN AMONG us hardcores! This set is already being dumped for discounts on the internet markets, and like T'log will soon be available for cheap, so those of you who are waiting will have your patience rewarded. And as I said before, the bigger fear for me is that because of this series of flops, there will be little encouragement to put any rarities project on the streets until it's posthumous which I hope is a long long time away. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Window, Window" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I also want to mention that your candidness and overall good nature tipped the scales in your favor. Not to mention the primo Bette and Grace quotes. Congratulations!:-) David NP: "Sunday In The Park With George" OCR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" > > Even though I do know the correct spelling of Ms. Davis first name, > this just slipped right by me. Ok, get it over with. Take the card. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:39:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC > hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading these days? Ball of Fire, the new book on Lucille Ball. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:40:12 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: re: just a fan njc With respect to both of you, Paul and Mack, I share this, for you both have some strong points in your posts: When I was young, I found (quite accidentally) that being myself was far more effective than waving a flag or wearing a rainbow chip. I had friends of all sorts of persuasions that by choice would not run with a gay crowd, much less have a gay friend. Soon after the friendships had some longevity, I would be asked if I was gay. I would tell them. The response I usually got was: Oh, that's cool. (Only once did some musician tell me that he could no longer be in a band with me because I was gay- lol.) Even now, I am just me. I get 'campy' around folks who keep it light, like Smurph and Jimmy and others in the JMDL. There are many straight friends who like to camp it up with me just hanging out. But that is not me, either. I am. I just am. It's just a facet on my diamond- like being a musician, writer, friend, sci-fi fan, a son, a brother, an artist, a dreamer, a hopeful in a room like this, an instigator- there's so many things I am. However, sometimes I have found it neccessary to be OUT and make it known. I came out at work because I believed a co-worker was harrassing me because of it- albeit subtley. I'm not opposed to pulling the gay card on someone. I get tired of the harrassment I see and have experienced. Sometimes you have to get in the bully's face to get them to back down. For whatever reason- whatever lessons I need to learn in this lifetime, this is my life. And I am not ashamed. Steve At 02:32 PM 10/30/2003 +0100, Paul Mepschen wrote: >mack wrote: >>I am so very weary of being classified, categorized, and referred to as a gay >man. I am >>homosexual, true, but that isn't who I am.......If homosexuals continue to >refer to themselves as an exclusive >>group, then we can not expect the world at large to stop doing the same >>thing. Joni has fans, straight, gay, sideways, upwards, green, blue, >>yesterday and tomorrow. I am just a fan and just a man, no more and no less >>and my sexual proclivities do not define me. Just my opinion of a burr >>under my saddle. > >Well, I disagree. I would agree with you if we lived in a world that was less >heterocentric and less homophobic. By saying what you say here, you make it >sound like we, as queer people, choose our exclusion ourselves. But the >reality is that we live in a society where heterosexuality is defined as >normal and homosexuality as other. We therefore do not choose our otherness, >it is forced upon us. In fact, if did NOT refer to ourselves as exclusive, we >would give up much of what keeps us safe in the present world, where >homophobic violence in an everyday reality. If we would no longer have our >bars and clubs and what have you -- our community -- we would have to depend >on the kindness of heterosexuals. Well, there are a lot of heterosexuals that >I love very much, but when I walk into somewhere I want to be sure that I am >respected there -- I would love to stop referring to myself as a homosexual, >and I will do it when heterosexuals stop referring to themselves as normal. > >peace, >Paul of the Netherlands > > > > >-------------------------------------- >Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / >Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful >ones >among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and >cast away > > --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:45:49 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC At 09:39 AM 10/30/2003 -0500, Jerry Notaro wrote: >> hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading these days? > >Ball of Fire, the new book on Lucille Ball. > >Jerry > The news- and it's all bad! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:28:15 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Ani, njc Well, I certainly didn't poll the audience in Asheville when I saw her 2 years ago, but I can tell you that I was in the extreme minority in terms of gender, age, and lack of facial jewelry. It certainly didn't bother me a bit and everyone was very nice as they would be for any concert. Like Mack says, this kind of thing should be something that doesn't even get noticed, but unfortunately we're not there yet. I'm going to see Death Cab For Cutie tomorrow night in Atlanta, and I'm guessing that I'll stick out like a sore thumb once more. But that's never stopped me, and if someone has a problem with it, it theirs and not mine. I'm going with my son, both of us are BIG DFFC fans, and I can't remember being as psyched up for a show since Joni in '98. Bob NP: Beatles, "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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NJC At 09:39 AM 10/30/2003 -0500, Jerry Notaro wrote: >> hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading these days? > >Ball of Fire, the new book on Lucille Ball. > >Jerry > The news- and it's all bad! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:06:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC Emily Tedrowe wrote: > hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading these days? 'Virginia Woolf' by Hermione Lee. Fascinating. Perhaps the most in depth biography I have ever read on any subject. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Tedrowe Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC mark, i loved this book! i especially loved how the author divided the sections into themes (i.e. "home" or "war") rather than going strictly by chronology. - -- emily Mark or Travis wrote: 'Virginia Woolf' by Hermione Lee. Fascinating. Perhaps the most in depth biography I have ever read on any subject. Mark Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Quoting David Rahall : > Good news, Mark! > > After a long (3 hours!) meeting and much heated discussion, we've > decided to > let you keep your card. This incident was obviously an unintentional > oversight on your part and not indicative of your overall gay > qualifications. You should know that many at the meeting spoke > passionately > on your behalf. I also want to mention that your candidness and > overall > good nature tipped the scales in your favor. Not to mention the primo > Bette > and Grace quotes. BUT, one slip and you have to wear comfortable shoes for two weeks! Jerry, Vice Chair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:30:24 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC Emily Tedrowe asked: <> I just finished _Tomato Red_ by Daniel Woodrell Here's a link where you can read the first chapter: http://216.247.214.252/98-1hh/tomatored.htm I do love the way this man writes, pulling us into his hopeless redneck drug-crazed world. Not too long ago, I read _A Mouthful of Tongues: Her Totipotent Tropicanalia_ by Paul Di Fillippo (http://www.sfsite.com/09a/mt135.htm), which is a hallucinatory/sci-fi/porn MASTERPIECE of writing. And I must take another opportunity to talk up my current literary hero, Chuck Palahniuk (http://www.chuckpalahniuk.com/ - there are links in the grey box to novel excerpts). Read 'em all. Cindy, who used to dream of being a writer until I realized that Charles Bukowski had already said everything that needed saying (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chabrieres/texts/mostbeautifulgirlintown.html). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:05:13 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC > > hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading these days? i am reading felix driver's "geography militant: cultures of exploration and empire". we are only supposed to read 4 chapters in our social theory class, but i ended up reading the remaining chapters. its that good and interesting. j Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:06:58 +0000 From: "JOYCE CHEPCHUMBA" Subject: Why the list went quiet! Answer: "they" let me in!! Apologies for not adding 'njc' but I just wanted to say "hi" to all. Your very own tamed tiger... AMO (grrrrrrrr) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:23:49 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: da Vinci code (njc) >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:59:27 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >>for instance, i'm dying to know if anyone >>has read/is reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, a mindboggling book >>that I'm sure many of you would love (i just finished it) >Yes I've read it & what a page turner! It is on my coffee table. . Bree sent me a copy. . . so I guess I 'll read that next. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:48:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: whatcha reading? NJC maybe i should've been a gemini. i always read two books at the same time. (i alternate, of course.) for example, this week i'm reading "service with a smile" by pg woodhouse (i love books about pigs and earls) and bruno bettelheim's "freud and man's soul", a study of how the works of freud were mistranslated when they were published in the US to make them more applicable to behaviorist techniques. if i read only one book, i feel i'm missing something. wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:49:57 -0500 From: "myrtlmoo@ticon.net" Subject: RE: whatcha reading? NJC I went to see Scottish author Val McDermid at a tiny local mystery bookstore last week and she was very interesting. I had read her series of mysteries centering around a lesbian main character, but I hadn't read anything else. I picked up her latest book, "A Distant Echo" and it's really fantastic! I'm learning lots of new words, like "bairn" and "Hogmanay." :>) My favorite phrase from the book is "Do you think I came up forth on a biscuit?" I wonder what the origin of that one is!? Anyway, it's a well written book and a real page turner! Kerry - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:51:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Mouthful of Tongues NJC cyn!!!!! i lost the post where you told me about this book and i've been going crazy trying to remember the title! the BF wanted to read it too because it suspects that IT wrote it. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Cynthia > Vickery > Enviado el: Jueves, 30 de Octubre de 2003 12:30 p.m. > Para: Emily Tedrowe; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: whatcha reading? NJC > > > Not too long ago, I read _A Mouthful of Tongues: Her Totipotent > Tropicanalia_ by Paul Di Fillippo > (http://www.sfsite.com/09a/mt135.htm), which is a > hallucinatory/sci-fi/porn MASTERPIECE of writing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: re: just a fan njc Hmmmm I wonder if the African American community had thought so dividedly would they be anywhere at all with that line of thinking. I think thiers is an example to follow "Say it loud - I'm Queer and I'm Proud! United we stand - divided we fall .. and finally as i have said here before " I will NOT be invisible!" mack wrote: If homosexuals continue to refer to themselves as an exclusive >group, then we can not expect the world at large to stop doing the same >thing. am just a fan and just a man, no more and no less >and my sexual proclivities do not define me. Just my opinion of a burr >under my saddle. Paul so well put! I could not agree more. We must push our way into mainstream - they are not clamoring for our membership! And do so by being who we are. Also what mainstream hetro normal - whatevers dont realize is ... as they have oppressed they have helped create subcultures and so we are different and have our own traditions and rituals and slang. It all adds to the color on the canvas - as I like to say. Wow coming out of my funk and still the same old freaking radical! Peace, Susan Paul wrote: Well, I disagree. I would agree with you if we lived in a world that was less heterocentric and less homophobic. By saying what you say here, you make it sound like we, as queer people, choose our exclusion ourselves. But the reality is that we live in a society where heterosexuality is defined as normal and homosexuality as other. We therefore do not choose our otherness, it is forced upon us. In fact, if did NOT refer to ourselves as exclusive, we would give up much of what keeps us safe in the present world, where homophobic violence in an everyday reality. If we would no longer have our bars and clubs and what have you -- our community -- we would have to depend on the kindness of heterosexuals. Well, there are a lot of heterosexuals that I love very much, but when I walk into somewhere I want to be sure that I am respected there -- I would love to stop referring to myself as a homosexual, and I will do it when heterosexuals stop referring to themselves as normal. Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:39:39 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: This that...Ani, Laura book, Joni 3 albums box sets (1 third Joni content!) Re: Kate seeing Ani... Wow what an experience. Funny cos I got my first Ani CD the day (after maybe) you saw her. It's a live one too; 'Living In A Clip'! It doesn't have the 2 live versions I had on mp3 but the CD is fab. She really can play the guitar like no one else. Such a great live artist. I know what you mean about a Janis Ian style. I believe she plays in different tunings like Joni but all in all I think she does have more in common with Janis. OMG 'Out Of Range' really is something. I'm sure to get another Ani CD soon. Wish she would tour the UK but like anyone I like they seem to just go state to state. Re: What you reading... 'Soul Picnic' - Michele Kort I've been meaning to get this for ages so what do you know I finally did! Good so far but I haven't had much time yet. Also just got 'Angel In The Dark' Hybrid SACD (don't have a player though so I can't listen to the bonus tracks)! It was a giant leap from NYT but I figure I'll fill in the gaps as I go along. It's very chilled out - kinda' late night which can be nice so, so far I like! Re: Joni 3 album box set... I have the first 3 Geffen albums like this which is how I will keep it for the moment as I really can't justify spending 40 GP Pounds on 3 bonus tracks! Of course the new box set has been remastered but how much better is the quality - anyone know? Anyway back to the 3 album box sets - also a few of Joni's Asylum/Elektra albums were done like this, but I believe they are no longer manufactured because they have been made redundant by the HDCD single versions. And that's me! NP: Sweet Dream Fade - Laura nyro ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:28:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: This that...Ani, Laura book, Joni 3 albums box sets (1 third Joni content!) She tours Europe a lot, more than most I would guess. She was there last in the summer of '02, I'm sure she had some UK dates. Keep an eye on her website, it stays up to date for the most part. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Rockin' The Suburbs" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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NJC > maybe i should've been a gemini. i always read two books at the same time. > (i alternate, of course.) for example, this week i'm reading "service with a > smile" by pg woodhouse (i love books about pigs and earls) and bruno > bettelheim's "freud and man's soul", a study of how the works of freud were > mistranslated when they were published in the US to make them more > applicable to behaviorist techniques. > > if i read only one book, i feel i'm missing something. > > wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:09:33 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: just a fan njc Susan wrote: > Hmmmm I wonder if the African American community had thought so dividedly would they be anywhere at all with that line of thinking. - --Doesn't appear as if they have got very far at all. They still suffer; they still are trod under by most. I welcome diversity but those who stand up and tell me how I will think about them, or else, only turn me off. I think the key to their plight and that of homosexuals is education, theirs and ours. And I don't like the titles we and them. How about us? I think thiers is an example to follow "Say it loud - I'm Queer and I'm Proud! - --Proud of what? If we are born the way we are (which homosexuals assert), then we cannot stand up and say we are proud for being homosexual. I had nothing to do with it nor did anyone else. I might be proud of some of my accomplishments but proud of who I am, no, at least not in the terms of what I was born to be. Not ashamed either. I do wonder if the militant approach solves anything. United we stand - divided we fall .. and finally as i have said here before " I will NOT be invisible!" - --I most certainly didn't advocate being invisible nor denying who one is. I prefer to be considered a part of the human race rather than one group of it. I dont' want to live in a gay only world. I like heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, and others. I refuse to live in one world or the other or to try to assert that being homosexual makes me special. I will let those that judge do so by themselves but prefer they do so on the merits of who I was, not on who I slept with. There will be those who cannot accept me for who I am. That is fine. I think that there are many different thoughts and ideas on the subject, those were simply mine. mack np:missy manchester-concert tonight. excited. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:51:32 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: This that...Ani, Laura book, Joni 3 albums box sets (1 third Joni content!) Quoting amelio747 : > > Re: Joni 3 album box set... > Of course the new box set has been remastered but how much better is > the quality - anyone know? I have the new 4 cd box set and find the sound immensely richer and am hearing all kinds of things I don't recall from the originals! The 3 unreleased tracks are worth the price of admission alone, IMHO. Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:55:25 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Joni geffen I always thought the 80's albums sounded kind of 'quiet'. "Moon At the Window" and "A Bird That Whistles" especially and I really love those ones. Ironic as surely recording technology had moved on since the 70's. I guess I'll have to get this Geffen Box set sometime. I love most of NRH! Thanks ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "amelio747" Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:51 PM Subject: Re: This that...Ani, Laura book, Joni 3 albums box sets (1 third Joni content!) > Quoting amelio747 : > > > > > Re: Joni 3 album box set... > > > Of course the new box set has been remastered but how much better is > > the quality - anyone know? > > > I have the new 4 cd box set and find the sound immensely richer and am hearing > all kinds of things I don't recall from the originals! The 3 unreleased tracks > are worth the price of admission alone, IMHO. > > Best, > Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:53:10 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Geffen box set Steve T asked: > Of course the new box set has been remastered but how much better is > the quality - anyone know? It sounds like an extraordinary improvement - the difference in sound jumped right out at me the moment I put on the box set WTRF. I can't explain it from a technical soundpoint, but it almost sounded like a whole new (or at least remade) album to me. I also heard parts that I had never heard before after years of listening to it. And, for lack of a better description - it sounded *prettier* and had a new and different feel. I had a similar experience the first time I acquired and listened to the remastered Gold version of "Blue." Even though "Blue" is one of my tops and I've listened to it forever, hearing the Gold version was like listening to it for the first time and it sounded like Joni herself was sitting in my living room playing the songs. As for the booklet - there are some explanations and background that he haven't heard before from Joni on some of the songs and it's a neat package. Since the price is dropping rapidly, you might be able to pick it up on eBay or at a good discount. Kakki, home recovering from the fire flu ;-( NR: "I Want To Take You Higher - The Psychedelic Era 1965-1969" (Blames it all on the California bands, beatniks and tripsters, with a nod to the London undergound ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:21:47 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC I'm reading "Ball of Fire" now, too! The last book I read before this one was "A Million Little Pieces" by James Frey. It's his account of his time in a rehab clinic, after hitting rock bottom thru drugs and alcohol. Harrowing, but a good read. Since I'm on a Sondheim kick at the moment, I want to read a biography of him next. Any suggestions? David NP: "Beat" King Crimson - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" > Ball of Fire, the new book on Lucille Ball. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:43:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ani, njc --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > > By the way, since there's a gay thread going on, how > was the audience at the > show? In Paris it was 99% lesbians (not that I > care, just curious). How do you know? Did you check their IDs? ;-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:43:11 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC In a message dated 30/10/2003 13:31:02 GMT Standard Time, egt200@yahoo.com writes: <> I'm glued to Wally Lamb's first (I think) novel She's Come Undone. Started it yesterday and I'm already halfway through. He writes so beautifully and with such humanity that I get completely dawn in to his world. He's done a great job in writing from a woman's POV too. One thing I have noticed is a certain similarity in the arc of the plot and some of the themes with I Know This Much Is True, the first of his that I read, and which moved me profoundly. I'm not complaining though... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC --- Emily Tedrowe wrote: > hi folks. anyone care to share what they're reading > these days? I recently read "Motherless Brooklyn" by Jonathan Lethem, thanks to Chuck E. and the jonifest book-swap. And I'm almost finished reading "Unless" by Carole Shields. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why the list went quiet! njc --- JOYCE CHEPCHUMBA wrote: > Answer: "they" let me in!! Apologies for not adding > 'njc' but I just > wanted to say "hi" to all. Your very own tamed > tiger... AMO (grrrrrrrr) > Well, if you're a newbie (I think you are) I'm sure no one meant to freeze you out - welcome to the place, such as it is. I've been lurking lately because I haven't got a bloody thing to say. P.S. Added the njc because you never know how those others are going to react. Some of them are a wee bit testy. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:29:04 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Geffen box set -- NJC About "Blue," Kakki writes: << hearing the Gold version was like listening to it for the first time and it sounded like Joni herself was sitting in my living room playing the songs. >> I am surprised she hasn't done that yet, what with you running into her so often over the years! << home recovering from the fire flu ;-( >> What is this? A reaction to all the smoke in the air? Whatever it is, I hope you recover soon and that the fires get put out ASAP. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:15:18 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: whatcha reading? NJC Kerry writes: << I'm learning lots of new words, like "bairn" and "Hogmanay." :> >> Well, "Hogmanay" is a new one for me, but "bairn" I know -- baby! It made me think of a writer who used that word a lot in one of her books. Her name is Pat Barker and the reason she is fresh in my mind is because I was cruising the Booker Prize site the other night looking for some ideas of what to read after I finish the books I've got on deck. Take my advice: if you're ever at a loss for suggestions for great fiction to read, check out the Booker site. For some reason I can't get through to the site right now, but here's the entire list -- from another site -- of each year's winners and the short lists of runners-up since the awards began in 1969: http://home.wlu.edu/~keens/booker.htm (The Pulitzer Prize also has a site that lists winners and runners-up, and is good for finding American writers.) A description of the Booker Prize (actually now known as the Man Booker Prize): "It is the premier British award for fiction written in English by a citizens of the United Kingdom, the British Commonwealth, Eire, Pakistan, or South Africa." Now, about Pat Barker, the writer who introduced me to the archaic English "bairn." Ms. Barker wrote "The Regeneration Trilogy" which includes "Regeneration," "The Eye in the Door," and "The Ghost Road." That trilogy is one of the finest reading experiences I have ever had. What's more, it's gay-themed and takes place in WW I in England and on the battlefields of Europe. Plus it has some of the finest love and sex scenes I have ever read, gay or straight. And a description of a man dying in battle that I will never forget. I am sure you can find out more about it at Amazon, if you're interested. (She won the Booker in 1995, so it's pretty new as great books go . . .) About Wally Lamb's "She's Come Undone," Azeem says: << He's done a great job in writing from a woman's POV too. >> I love it when a writer can write way outside his or her perspective. One of the reasons I love Pat Barker is that anyone would swear "The Regeneration Trilogy" was written by a very talented gay man. Wally Lamb is a great read. And best of all -- there's Joni content in "She's Come Undone!" (Even if she *does* appear at Woodstock, which we all know she did not!) --Bob, TV-less since June and all I miss is Letterman! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #538 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)