From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #537 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 537 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #535 - Coupling NJC - liza and david marriage ["pa] Re: Just a fan... NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #536 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today in History: October 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: October 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Cesaria Evora (NJC) ["Ross, Les" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:23:40 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #535 - Coupling NJC - liza and david marriage best line about the breakup: michael musto asked dominick dunne about it because: "(After all, his appearance at the wedding cemented it as a crime scene.)" actually, michael musto rips the story to joyful shreds, but he cannot buy liza with nine hip replacements beating gest up. another great line: "I loved Gest's lawyer saying on TV that as a result of his supposed injuries, "David's had a series of injections in his head and face." So what else is new?" there's more, but it's too crude to post. http://villagevoice.com/issues/0344/musto.php patrick np - reich, four organs "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >BRYAN8847@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:47 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #535 - Coupling NJC > > >I've heard stories about wealthy and powerful men who have secret >affairs with (usually) young men > >.....Sounds good to me. > >And then there are the marriages of appearance that, for some >unknown reason (movies maybe?), I associate with the 1940s and >1950s (in the U.S.), where a gay man and a lesbian get married, >and then have their own separate relationships, but is that done anymore? > >......Sure is. I could name a socially prominent couple right here >in the Emerald City (but I won't). But probably not as often as a >gay person marrying a straight person and hiding out there. > >I don't get the impression that's what the Liza and David marriage >was about, so, what in the world was she thinking? And if David >"didn't know"... Debra Shea > >.....Implying that the Liza/David marriage wasn't genuine? How >could that be? Why, they had Liz, Michael Jackson and any number >of messed up, phony celebrities there to validate it. Seriously I >think we could all see that train wreck coming. I think the >alcoholism had something to do with it. I really should get back to work. > >Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:35:28 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a fan... NJC Mack wrote: > If homosexuals continue to refer to themselves as an exclusive > group, then we can not expect the world at large to stop doing the same > thing. Joni has fans, straight, gay, sideways, upwards, green, blue, > yesterday and tomorrow. I am just a fan and just a man, no more and no less > and my sexual proclivities do not define me. I like what you say here. It could be a song. Very, very true about exclusivity. There is wisdom in the generation that wants to be called X. We live in a world of name calling... not only calling others names but also internalizing the names that are out there to be had. Categorization is something done in medicine and in psychology and has become so popular in everything from horoscopes to religous denominations to sexual expression to politcal party, etc. When it is light and fun, great; but when people start defining themselves by these categories and exclude each other or themselves from others, I smell a rat. Maybe it comes from a longing for black and white in world full of grey. The lines are never as clear as names might lead us to believe, and the effects can be very restricting to one's self perception and perception of others which leads to notions of people not fitting in or only fitting in with a certain group. And, this leads to tension and pressure which leads to war rather than peace. It can lead to depression and can keep people from seeing the good in their life and in the world while leading them to think they have to correct others, to wake them up, or make them see things a certain way. Where's the love in that? Fundamentalism hello! Anyway, rather than thinking of people as this sexual or that sexual, I prefer to think of people as sexual, period... no category, just the fact that we are sexual beings. I like what you say about your sexual proclivities not defining you. Awesome and freeing when one realizes that. Liberty can be a reality when partitions cease in language and socializing. Scott Peck has a very good book titled, The Different Drum. It basically says if there is to be world peace or peace on any level, there has to be true community which only comes with one emptying one's self of preconceptions, prejudices, and intolerances... an emptying which leads to true listening and dialogue, which leads to understanding and appreciation of others which leads to living peaceably in a world of diversity. Thanks for being light in the darkness Mack. Love and peace, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:28:32 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #536 Les said, >1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" were released.> I guess this a good time to discuss the back catalog. If Joni called me tonight I'd ask her: "Did releasing 'hits' kill off your back catalog or, more likely, WERE YOU FULL OF SHIT?!" Over the years (7 ?!?) there have been several young people who've joined the JMDL and said that their first Joni CD was 'hits' or 'misses' and found her work incredibly worthy. If Hits had been released much earlier (late 70s/early 80s) it probably would have, temporarily at least, negatively impacted catalog sales. But, as you've pointed out, it's probably helping now rather than hindering. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:15:23 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 30 1998: Joni performed in Kanata. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981030.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainKanata1098.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:15:23 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 30 On October 30 the following articles were published: 1968: "Main Point to Feature Singer Joni Mitchell" - Philadelphia Daily News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=857 1987: "Benefit Low on Polemics, High on Art" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=161 1998: "Lookin' to live up to their legends" - Toronto Sun (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=389 1998: "Untamed Tiger" - San Francisco Examiner (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=330 2001: "John Kelly's 'Shiny Hot Night' Extended at Fez" - Playbill On-Line (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=695 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:51:17 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Cesaria Evora (NJC) I got into this woman's singing over ten years ago when I was supporting a Project working out of Bordeaux in France. This song Mar Azul sung by Cesaria Evora came on some french equivalent of MTV (really, it was pitched at that kind of demographic!) It completely knocked my socks off! I had the tv turned up loud as I was sitting out on the balcony watching the world go by one Saturday morning and I had to get up, close the shutters and really listen. I was captivated. I can commend her to anyone. I think there is a new compilation of her work just released for anyone thinking of getting a taster of what she does so well. Les (London) Np : Pat Metheny Cinema Paradiso (main theme) from Short Stories with Charlie Haden From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Cesaria Evora (NJC) I watched Cesaria Evora in concert last night here in UNC Chapel Hill. I own a couple of her CDs when I was still in Manila and even if I cannot understand a single thing she sings via the Cape Verde creole language, its listening to her voice and the mournful ways she does things even in jaunty numbers that engage me. A lot. I don't know if what she sang can be considered as torch songs but I guess it would be considered that to. One should never sing torch songs in any language lightly; the gut emotion they require seems impervious to fakery and falseness. Cesaria, I think is like a medium where one can experience great music. Through her. Unforgettable. Joseph Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:22:37 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Rod Stewart hits out at rivals Tuesday, October 28, 2003 Posted: 9:35 AM EST (1435 GMT) Stewart feels unfairly criticized for dating younger women LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Rocker Rod Stewart feels he has been unfairly criticized for dating a younger woman, especially when ex-Beatle Paul McCartney escaped censure despite taking a wife half his age. Stewart, 58, told the British magazine Radio Times Tuesday the difference was that McCartney had a knighthood. He also complained at being passed over for a Grammy Award in favor of British rival Sting, calling him "Mr. Serious who helps the Indians," and nicknamed singer Elton John "Sharon." Stewart, whose partner is 32-year-old model Penny Lancaster, was speaking before next month's formal opening of London musical "Tonight's the Night," based on 22 of his chart-topping songs. "What pisses me off is they never have a go at Paul McCartney for marrying a younger woman ... but they kill me because of Penny," he said. McCartney, 61, is 26 years older than his wife, Heather Mills, the same age difference as between Stewart and Lancaster. "Perhaps it's because he's got a knighthood," Stewart added. "I don't know why I haven't got any honor. I do my bit for charity." Stewart, riding high in the album charts, complained he had been passed over for the Grammy Awards. "It's astounding I've never won one," he said. "They tend not to give it to the British unless you're Sting. The sun shines out of his arse -- a pure jazz musician, Mr. Serious who helps the Indians." Elton John, another singer with a knighthood, also earned Stewart's disapproval for not inviting him to his parties. Dubbing him "Sharon," Stewart took a swipe at John's appearance and weight. "My hair is nice and real and looks it, and hers doesn't. No, I take that back. He looks good at the moment, but he could lose a bit of timber," he said. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:46:54 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #535 - Coupling NJC I've heard stories about wealthy and powerful men who have secret affairs with (usually) young men .....Sounds good to me. And then there are the marriages of appearance that, for some unknown reason (movies maybe?), I associate with the 1940s and 1950s (in the U.S.), where a gay man and a lesbian get married, and then have their own separate relationships, but is that done anymore? ......Sure is. I could name a socially prominent couple right here in the Emerald City (but I won't). But probably not as often as a gay person marrying a straight person and hiding out there. I don't get the impression that's what the Liza and David marriage was about, so, what in the world was she thinking? And if David "didn't know"... Debra Shea .....Implying that the Liza/David marriage wasn't genuine? How could that be? Why, they had Liz, Michael Jackson and any number of messed up, phony celebrities there to validate it. Seriously I think we could all see that train wreck coming. I think the alcoholism had something to do with it. I really should get back to work. Bryan - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:33:44 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni_Track:_Grandeur_et_D=E9cadence_=3F?= I was surfing through the Internet Movie Data Base site and stumbled on this Joni entry from the Godard TV movie `Grandeur et Dicadence`. Does anyone know what song or music this might be referring to? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091146/fullcredits And here are a few more obscure documentary movie links on the site that credit appearances by Joni : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090141/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107436/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243199/ Michael in Quebec - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:43:46 -0500 From: Subject: "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! Les said, >1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" were released.> I guess this a good time to discuss the back catalog. If Joni called me tonight I'd ask her: "Did releasing 'hits' kill off your back catalog or, more likely, WERE YOU FULL OF SHIT?!" Over the years (7 ?!?) there have been several young people who've joined the JMDL and said that their first Joni CD was 'hits' or 'misses' and found her work incredibly worthy. All the best, Lama - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Kate writes: > > > And here we are with a gay > > thread. > > What do you mean "a" gay thread, Kate? Between Liza > and Judy and Bette and Ethel and gay/str8 marriages > plus the love lives of Wally and Steve, we now have > more gay threads than a Broadway seamstress! > > --Bob Would that make it a gay tapestry? ===== Catherine Toronto - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:04:34 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Good news, Mark! After a long (3 hours!) meeting and much heated discussion, we've decided to let you keep your card. This incident was obviously an unintentional oversight on your part and not indicative of your overall gay qualifications. You should know that many at the meeting spoke passionately on your behalf. I also want to mention that your candidness and overall good nature tipped the scales in your favor. Not to mention the primo Bette and Grace quotes. Congratulations!:-) David NP: "Sunday In The Park With George" OCR - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" > > Even though I do know the correct spelling of Ms. Davis first name, > this just slipped right by me. Ok, get it over with. Take the card. > > Mark - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:06:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Joni=20Track:=20Grandeur=20et=20D=E9cadenc e?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20=3F?= Good catch, Michael, but this title is already in the Joni in Fiction part of JMDL.com. It has a request for more info, if anyone has any, but no one has come forth yet. - - --Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:50:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_Joni_Track:_Grandeur_et_Decadence_=3F?= dear michael, i have just written to the only user that has commented on the movie asking for the information. he might own a copy of the movie and thus be able to check out on the soundtrack listing. he might also think i'm nuts and ignore me completely. as turandot says: "vedremo!" wally - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:10:37 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re:Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet - NJC After being badgered into posting, Alison whines: << so there, murphy, there you go, and now i'll be at the office till eight o'clock to make up for this. ;-) >> But I neeeeeeeed attention from you, Alison! Just thank your lucky stars I don't live in SLC, where I could stalk you more effectively. And in answer to some of the stuff you wrote about: << i'm dying to know if anyone has read/is reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown >> No, I have not/am not. But I am about to begin "Running with Scissors" by Augusten Burroughs, which you recommended to me last spring. It has taken me weeks to finish a so-so book called "Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl," a novel about 17th century slaves in Barbados. I met Maggie for coffee a couple of weeks ago, when I had just started reading the book. I told her I identified. "With what part?" Maggie asked. "Irish . . . slave . . . and girl," I answered. (Maybe you had to be there. ) I have heard about "The Da Vinci Code," but not a lot. When you finish it, why don't you let us all know the ending! << i desperately want someone with whom to discuss the BRILLIANCE and MAGIC of rufus wainwright's new album Want 1. >> This I am hearing a lot of buzz about. I am looking forward to hearing it. Maybe if I post something about MG I can get her to post, too! Love you, --Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:28:06 -0800 From: Susan Clark Subject: Joni Tribute in Vancouver This is extremely late notice (my niece just called me to let me know) but there will be a tribute to Joni at The Cellar Jazz Club in Vancouver tonight. The group is the Christie Grace Trio (students from the Capilano College music programme) and they will be doing two sets, one at 8 p.m. and then at 9:45. The Cellar is at Broadway and Alma (not sure of the exact address) and the cover is $10. I9m not sure if I will be able to make it (I live over an hour drive from downtown) but I hope some local Listers can. Rick - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:59 +0200 From: "G'n H" Subject: David Sanborn at NorthSeaJazzFestival2000 (NJC) A beautiful song is playd on http://server.tweakdsl.nl/files/Eyala.mp3 David Sanborn - sax, Joe Sample - piano, Richard Bona - bass, guitar, vocals Brian Blade ("the wonderful") - drums Is'n Bona just beautiful on the voice and bass?! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:59:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re:Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet - -- NJC >for instance, i'm dying to know if anyone has read/is reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, a mindboggling book that I'm sure many of you would love (i just finished it< Yes I've read it & what a page turner! - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:15:51 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Gypsy the Musical (NJC) hey joseph: i just read your 'cesaria evora' post and it sounded like a gorgeous concert, and it was also beautiful post. so glad you're writing so much. and that was me who talked about the silence after rickie lee singing my funny valentine, berkeley, 1982. john stamos is currently in the mastroianni role. i've never seen the movie, is cardinale the actress (probably) or the wife? the show is reviewed (again, for replacement actors) in today's nytimes http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/29/arts/theater/29NINE.html. you'll have to create a login, but it'll be free for a couple of days. all best, patrick np - reich, four organs (piano circus) "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #536 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #537 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)