From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #536 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 29 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 536 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ani njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC ["David Rahall" ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: the dead (NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC [dsk ] RE: the dead (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC [Steve Polifka ] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Cesaria Evora (NJC) ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #535 - Coupling NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni_Track:_Grandeur_et_D=E9cadence_=3F?= ["michael o'mall] "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! [] Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] David Sanborn at NorthSeaJazzFestival2000 (NJC) ["G'n H" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:02:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Ani njc Was great. Ani D. Great guitar playing, voice, lyrics...rapping rocking poetry with passion. I wish I had that energy. The crowd was young & stood the whole time with many crowding up in front of the stage. It was a little too much for Jeff so he went to the back where there was less crowding. I don't know many of her songs but one she played was Not a Pretty Girl & another was Little Plastic Castles & one had a long lyric sheet at her feet & there were a few others I recognized (one had a line about kissing & then something else... I forget now) & another I recognized was of course quite political. She did one encore. The opener was Hammel on Trial who is another great guitar player (acoustic) & good showman... He looked like the 2nd husband of the brunette in the show Sex in the City. I am amazed at Ani's energy- both playing & all her words & her output of cds & how she runs her business. Something about her playing reminds me a lot of Janis Ian. I can see how little Ani & Joni really have in common other than being very independent & very influential on other female songwriters. I'm tired. Hey its Tuesday night. Its hot, the fires though 70 miles away have really smoked up the skies & are zapping my energy. My prayers for all who are close & that they are contained soon. I'm still singing my rain songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:36:24 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Oh heavens, no, Mark! I love them both, too! I have framed autographed photos of both Bette and Grace on my wall, bought for me by friends years ago. (Grace will be 64 years old tomorrow, btw, believe it or not. Scorpio like Joni.) No, it's the spelling of Bette's name that got this guy in trouble with the homosexual powers that be. The fact that he was saying he didn't care much for "Betty" was okay, as everyone is entitled to his opinion...but not knowing she spells her name "Bette?!" We were all simply aghast.;-) David R - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "David Rahall" ; "Joni List" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC > David Rahall wrote: > > We had a purported homosexual refer to "Betty Davis" at 2400Fulton > > the other day, in the midst of his rhapsodizing over Grace Slick's > > diva qualities. > > > > His gay card was immediately confiscated. > > > > David R > > > > Ok, take my card away from me but I don't get this. Is liking Grace > Slick mutually exclusive of liking Bette Davis? Is that true if > you're straight or if you're gay? Either way, I guess I'm awfully > confused cause I love them both. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:21:03 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC And Mark was probably just being polite and wondering how I could not know how Bette spelled her name! David Bette as Baby Jane Hudson: "But ya ARE, Blanch, ya ARE in that chair!" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dsk" > > You've probably figured this out already, Mark, but I'll write it out > anyway. There was a recent post about Liza with an S, so I think David > was commenting on the misspelling of Bette's name. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:30:24 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC In a message dated 10/29/2003 2:32:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: >Why would any heterosexual woman marry a gay man? I think Liza, and maybe even her mother got carried away ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:37:10 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC In a message dated 10/29/2003 2:32:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: >Why would any heterosexual woman marry a gay man? OOPS, I hit the send button too soon! Anyway, I think Liza, and maybe her mother Judy got carried away. Ever the ones to embrace excess, they marched their "fruit fly" status all the way to the altar. I guess they really liked "friends of Dorothy". :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:04:18 -0600 From: Keith Epley Subject: "Prowler" and Davis/Slick (LJC) The best line from Ros as Sylvia in The Women is when she complains to Chrystal about not taking her into her confidence after all she had done for her, to which Chrystal replies, "What you have done for me?" Sylvia replies, "I got you into some of the best houses in (I forget where); afterall, putting you over wasn't easy." lol. To the fellow who, like me and Whitman contains "multitudes," can laud Davis and Grace Slick in the same voice--way to go. Slick was always the"seedier" (along with the hyperborean Lou Reed) alternative to Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:15:22 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Debra writes: << Why would any heterosexual woman marry a gay man? >> Hair, makeup and wardrobe tips? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:19:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC oh debra... if you only knew!!!! it is the most common thing in the world. and there's usually a lot of sex between a gay man and a heterosexual woman. most of the gay men i know who are married have scads of children! i mean, eight or nine children. the whole captain von trap thing. i've been asking myself the same question for a couple of years. i used to accept it as a fact of life that many older men had to get married because of family pressure, etc. and they would "play" on the side. but last year i met a guy who had been married for 22 years, had 4 children and never had sex with men until he was 48 (he's 56 now). he didn't KNOW he liked men or at least that's what he said. and being a swimmer and a phiz ed teacher, he spent 75% of his time in locker rooms, and that's a real trial by fire for a man who's attracted to other men. the funny thing was that it was actually his wife who was not interested in sex with him anymore. that situation led to a lot of sexual frustration on his part (not hers) and it precipitated their separation. after that he still dated WOMEN until one day a gay acquaintance (someone he had showered with and shared a lot of sports activities with for years) asked him over for milk and cookies and one thing led to another. since then, he's had romantic relationships only with men (including yours truly). i have come to the conclusion that there are some men who are simply turned on by anything and anyone at all as long as they're easy on the eye and there's sufficient foreplay. they're neither gay nor straight nor bisexual. they're just queer. the guy i'm talking about would never have had sex with other guys if his wife had been more compatible with him. he was absolutely monogamous and never even looked at another person while he was married. the fact that money was always so tight (so many children, he had a lousy job) contributed to the separation too. i think he was just tired of the marriage thing. but if one thing's sure is that his ex-wife had all the attention, care, sex, children and devotion she wanted and needed. except for the money, he was a great catch! and the marriage could have gone on for ever, had she been a little more supportive and friendlier. i know his kids and i notice that she must be a great mother, though. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de dsk > Enviado el: Miercoles, 29 de Octubre de 2003 04:32 a.m. > Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC > > > > Why would any heterosexual woman marry a gay man? I just don't get that. > It's like the woman is setting herself up to have her self-esteem > constantly battered. I mean, why try to be involved with someone who > will never be genuinely and passionately interested? Friends, yes, > companions, sure, confidantes, well, why not? But married? what's the > point of that? > > I've heard stories about wealthy and powerful men who have secret > affairs with (usually) young men, and supposedly the wives aren't > interested in sex, so it's all okay. I guess everyone makes compromises > to keep a marriage going, but there's not enough money in the world for > me to tolerate such a sham (and sexless) relationship. > > And then there are the marriages of appearance that, for some unknown > reason (movies maybe?), I associate with the 1940s and 1950s (in the > U.S.), where a gay man and a lesbian get married, and then have their > own separate relationships, but is that done anymore? I don't get the > impression that's what the Liza and David marriage was about, so, what > in the world was she thinking? And if David "didn't know"... (is that > possible? at his age?), well, that's another set of unanswerable (by me) > questions altogether... > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:29:57 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC (For AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "dsk" ; ; Enviado: miircoles, 29 de octubre de 2003 15:19 Asunto: RE: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC > oh debra... if you only knew!!!! it is the most common thing in the world. > and there's usually a lot of sex between a gay man and a heterosexual woman. > most of the gay men i know who are married have scads of children! i mean, > eight or nine children. the whole captain von trap thing. > i've been asking myself the same question for a couple of years. i used to > accept it as a fact of life that many older men had to get married because > of family pressure, etc. and they would "play" on the side. but last year i > met a guy who had been married for 22 years, had 4 children and never had > sex with men until he was 48 (he's 56 now). he didn't KNOW he liked men or > at least that's what he said. and being a swimmer and a phiz ed teacher, he > spent 75% of his time in locker rooms, and that's a real trial by fire for a > man who's attracted to other men. the funny thing was that it was actually > his wife who was not interested in sex with him anymore. that situation led > to a lot of sexual frustration on his part (not hers) and it precipitated > their separation. after that he still dated WOMEN until one day a gay > acquaintance (someone he had showered with and shared a lot of sports > activities with for years) asked him over for milk and cookies and one thing > led to another. since then, he's had romantic relationships only with men > (including yours truly). > i have come to the conclusion that there are some men who are simply turned > on by anything and anyone at all as long as they're easy on the eye and > there's sufficient foreplay. they're neither gay nor straight nor bisexual. > they're just queer. the guy i'm talking about would never have had sex with > other guys if his wife had been more compatible with him. he was absolutely > monogamous and never even looked at another person while he was married. the > fact that money was always so tight (so many children, he had a lousy job) > contributed to the separation too. i think he was just tired of the marriage > thing. > but if one thing's sure is that his ex-wife had all the attention, care, > sex, children and devotion she wanted and needed. except for the money, he > was a great catch! and the marriage could have gone on for ever, had she > been a little more supportive and friendlier. i know his kids and i notice > that she must be a great mother, though. > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de dsk > > Enviado el: Miercoles, 29 de Octubre de 2003 04:32 a.m. > > Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC > > > > > > > > > Why would any heterosexual woman marry a gay man? I just don't get that. > > It's like the woman is setting herself up to have her self-esteem > > constantly battered. I mean, why try to be involved with someone who > > will never be genuinely and passionately interested? Friends, yes, > > companions, sure, confidantes, well, why not? But married? what's the > > point of that? > > > > I've heard stories about wealthy and powerful men who have secret > > affairs with (usually) young men, and supposedly the wives aren't > > interested in sex, so it's all okay. I guess everyone makes compromises > > to keep a marriage going, but there's not enough money in the world for > > me to tolerate such a sham (and sexless) relationship. > > > > And then there are the marriages of appearance that, for some unknown > > reason (movies maybe?), I associate with the 1940s and 1950s (in the > > U.S.), where a gay man and a lesbian get married, and then have their > > own separate relationships, but is that done anymore? I don't get the > > impression that's what the Liza and David marriage was about, so, what > > in the world was she thinking? And if David "didn't know"... (is that > > possible? at his age?), well, that's another set of unanswerable (by me) > > questions altogether... > > > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:54:16 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: marni nixon and the dead (NJC) Mark writes: > This I find hard to imagine judging by the film version of > 'The Dead'. > What's next? Musical versions of Virginia Woolf? Why do directors insist on making movies of works of fiction in which the most significant "action" is in the characters' memories or imaginations? For some reason I think "The Dead" would have worked *better* as a musical than as a film. At least a musical is more likely to be more original, and less likely to try to reproduce the story in it's written form. And in the case of "The Dead," I believe that the short story/novella does include references to music and I think music is performed during the party that is the focus of the story. ("I Dreamt I Dwelt in Marble Halls" comes to mind, if that's the correct title.) - --Bob NPIMH: The snow is general over Ireland That God forsaken dire land Snow's falling like a wave On poor Michael Furey's grave (Gee, maybe writing musicals is easy!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:21:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the dead (NJC) there's a great musical scene in the movie -- the one in which the old lady sings a short opera aria (i think from il pirata by bellini) in her frail but very sweet voice. one of her guests compliments her by saying (roughly): "you've never sung it so beautifully!" quite an awkward compliment, considering the woman is in her 90's. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:39:35 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: the dead (NJC) The music Aunt Julia sings in "The Dead" is "Arrayed for the Bridal." The tune is indeed from Bellini's _ I Puritani di Scozia_ and the words are by George Linley. Freddy Malins, the pathetic yet comic drunk is the one who compliments Aunt Julia: --I was just telling my mother, he said, I never heard you sing so well, never. No, I never heard your voice so good as it is tonight. Now! Would you believe that now? That's the truth. Upon my word and honour that's the truth. I never heard your voice sound so fresh and so... so clear and fresh, never. Aunt Julia smiled broadly and murmured something about compliments as she released her hand from his grasp. At the end of the story, Gabirel, musing on the fact that "we're all becoming shades" says Poor Aunt Julia! She, too, would soon be a shade with the shade of Patrick Morkan and his horse. He had caught that haggard look upon her face for a moment when she was singing Arrayed for the Bridal. Soon, perhaps, he would be sitting in that same drawing-room, dressed in black, his silk hat on his knees. The blinds would be drawn down and Aunt Kate would be sitting beside him, crying and blowing her nose and telling him how Julia had died. He would cast about in his mind for some words that might console her, and would find only lame and useless ones. Yes, yes: that would happen very soon. I think Huston's movie captured Aunt Julia's performance expertly. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally > Kairuz > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:22 AM > To: Murphycopy@aol.com; "Mark or Travis"; pleader@nyc.rr.com; > palis@email.unc.edu; joni@smoe.org > Subject: the dead (NJC) > > > there's a great musical scene in the movie -- the one in which > the old lady > sings a short opera aria (i think from il pirata by bellini) in her frail > but very sweet voice. one of her guests compliments her by saying > (roughly): > "you've never sung it so beautifully!" quite an awkward compliment, > considering the woman is in her 90's. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:48:57 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Debra writes: > << Why would any heterosexual woman marry a gay man? >> > > Hair, makeup and wardrobe tips? LOL! Well, yeah, from a gay men with talent for such things anyway. But, marriage??!! No way... So, is anyone else here watching and enjoying the new tv show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." I love those guys! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:08:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: NJC new music For anyone who enjoys checking out new artists: Beth Amsel has put her latest album "Kindling" online here: http://www.bethamsel.org/music.html She has a voice from heaven and is one of the best songwriters out there. Give a listen and if you like it, buy it! disclaimer: she's one of my best friends and my hubby did the photography for the cover. but hey, i am a tough and objective critic nonetheless, honest. Jenny - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:19:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: the dead (NJC) oh yes! now i remember it so clearly! it was the melody of "son vergin vezzosa" from bellini's opera "i puritani" not from "il pirata". what a great scene!!!! richard, how can you remember so much of the whole thing so clearly? is there a soundtrack? wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Enviado el: Miircoles, 29 de Octubre de 2003 12:40 p.m. > Para: Joni@Smoe. Org; Wally Kairuz > Asunto: RE: the dead (NJC) > > > The music Aunt Julia sings in "The Dead" is "Arrayed for the Bridal." The > tune is indeed from Bellini's _ I Puritani di Scozia_ and the words are by > George Linley. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:29:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC David Rahall wrote: > And Mark was probably just being polite and wondering how I could not > know how Bette spelled her name! > > David Even though I do know the correct spelling of Ms. Davis first name, this just slipped right by me. Ok, get it over with. Take the card. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:30:46 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > > oh debra... if you only knew!!!! it is the most common thing in the world. > and there's usually a lot of sex between a gay man and a heterosexual woman. That's confusing to me. Why would such a man consider himself gay? And as I wonder that, I'm thinking there's the difficulty with any kind of label, and there's the "percentage" idea of sexuality that's been discussed here before, and there's the social/cultural pressure to be heterosexual that some people may feel more than others... still confusing. > i have come to the conclusion that there are some men who are simply turned > on by anything and anyone at all as long as they're easy on the eye and > there's sufficient foreplay. they're neither gay nor straight nor bisexual. > they're just queer. They also sound very "outer directed", which is confusing also. I usually think of sexuality as being part of one's inner being, and involving emotional attachment in addition to physical attraction, but... maybe not for everyone. It must be rough going for anyone who does become emotionally, as well as physically, involved with such a person. Debra Shea, appreciating once again the mystery and complexity of human behavior ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:09:12 -0800 From: jan Subject: muffy! (njc) http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:03:56 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:01:52 -0600 >To: dsk >From: Steve Polifka >Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC >In-Reply-To: <3F9FEB31.6D8CC3DE@bellatlantic.net> >References: > >Well, I'll add my 2 cents again. (And I won't try to be funny...lol) > I actually saw a bi-sexual man for a few years. I really believe there are true bi-sexuals out there. > It was difficult, knowing where he was at, but we were monagamous for most of that time period. He ended up cheating on me with a woman, which ended alot of the trust and a stormy break-up occured. > We remained friends for years, but the last time I saw him for lunch, he told me that he was seeing someone. So I asked if it was a man or a woman. He told me it was a woman. Not surprised, we continued on with conversation and our lunch. > Recently, a mutual friend of ours came up to me in a store and told me that Don wouldn't return any of his calls, and asked if I had seen him. Since it had been a couple years since that lunch, I gave him a call at his office, to which I got no response to the message I left. A few weeks later, this same friend came up to me in the video store and said that Don was avoiding any of his gay past, and indeed had gotten married again. This friend was indeed hurt by that, as was I. But so it goes. He did have a job at the time in which he was very active in the community and the company for which he worked at. He had recieved many promotions. So maybe it was his public life he was protecting. > Funny, if there was anyone in the past I had ever carried a torch for, it was him. The ironic thing about this whold story is: Jeff once worked for this same company and dealt with Don on a daily basis in the mid 90's... > >Steve > > >At 11:30 AM 10/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Wally Kairuz wrote: >>> >>> oh debra... if you only knew!!!! it is the most common thing in the world. >>> and there's usually a lot of sex between a gay man and a heterosexual woman. >> >>That's confusing to me. Why would such a man consider himself gay? >> >>And as I wonder that, I'm thinking there's the difficulty with any kind >>of label, and there's the "percentage" idea of sexuality that's been >>discussed here before, and there's the social/cultural pressure to be >>heterosexual that some people may feel more than others... still >>confusing. >> >>> i have come to the conclusion that there are some men who are simply turned >>> on by anything and anyone at all as long as they're easy on the eye and >>> there's sufficient foreplay. they're neither gay nor straight nor bisexual. >>> they're just queer. >> >>They also sound very "outer directed", which is confusing also. I >>usually think of sexuality as being part of one's inner being, and >>involving emotional attachment in addition to physical attraction, >>but... maybe not for everyone. It must be rough going for anyone who >>does become emotionally, as well as physically, involved with such a person. >> >>Debra Shea, >>appreciating once again the mystery and complexity of human behavior ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:12:53 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: RE: the dead (NJC) I teach the story every semester in sophomore lit., own the Huston movie, and have ready research links for everything I teach. So some of my memory resides on my computer, some in my head :) Quoting Wally Kairuz : > oh yes! now i remember it so clearly! it was the melody of "son > vergin > vezzosa" from bellini's opera "i puritani" not from "il pirata". > what a great scene!!!! richard, how can you remember so much of the > whole > thing so clearly? > is there a soundtrack? > wally > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > > Enviado el: Miircoles, 29 de Octubre de 2003 12:40 p.m. > > Para: Joni@Smoe. Org; Wally Kairuz > > Asunto: RE: the dead (NJC) > > > > > > The music Aunt Julia sings in "The Dead" is "Arrayed for the > Bridal." The > > tune is indeed from Bellini's _ I Puritani di Scozia_ and the words > are by > > George Linley. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:55:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC First of all let me say thank you to Bob Murphy for this hysterical list that got me LOL when I needed it most. And here we are with a gay thread. When someone said that Liza's mom Judy may have married a gay man it made more sense to me why Liza did. She married someone who reminded of her Dad as it is pretty common for women to marry someone who is reminds us of our father. So there you have it. :~} > I don't get the impression that's what the Liza and David marriage was about, so, what in the world was she thinking? And if David "didn't know"... (is that possible? at his age?), well, that's another set of unanswerable (by me) questions altogether...< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:35:12 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Kate writes: > And here we are with a gay > thread. What do you mean "a" gay thread, Kate? Between Liza and Judy and Bette and Ethel and gay/str8 marriages plus the love lives of Wally and Steve, we now have more gay threads than a Broadway seamstress! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re:Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC alright, well this is just rude. i only saw it because i read jody's response! love ya smurph! it's actually true, though, i read most of the list and the digests and whatnot but i then don't have time to respond or participate in any real way to the discussion! for instance, i'm dying to know if anyone has read/is reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, a mindboggling book that I'm sure many of you would love (i just finished it), i desperately want someone with whom to discuss the BRILLIANCE and MAGIC of rufus wainwright's new album Want 1. i have been meaning to flip some shit to a certain major list member who is in salt lake city but has YET to call me to get together! HA! plus, i have failed to wish several hundred people happy birthday, including mags and JULIUS!, one of the all time best people to occupy earth space ever. so there, murphy, there you go, and now i'll be at the office till eight o'clock to make up for this. ;-) xoxo, alison e. in slc np: rosie thomas, only with laughter can you win (buy this album!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:00 PM > Subject: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- > NJC > > > > Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet: > > > > > 8) Everyone's pretending they're "too busy" -- > like Alison __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:57:08 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Gypsy the Musical now Tammy Blanchard and Judy Davis (NJC) Quoting Jerry Notaro : > > You may be interested to know, Joseph, that Tammy Blanchard played > the > > adolescent Judy Garland in a surprisingly well done tv movie > called > > 'Life with Judy Garland - Me and My Shadows' based on Lorna Luft's > > book. Tammy shared the role with Judy Davis who played Garland as > an > > adult and both were outstanding. Tammy was a real ringer for the > > young Judy in this movie, capturing her sweetness, her insecurity > and > > endearing vulnerability with uncanny accuracy. Judy Davis took > the > > part at the time of 'Meet Me in St. Louis' and Judy's relationship > and > > marriage to Vincente Minelli and made it into a tour de force. > Both > > actresses won well-deserved Emmy's. I'm glad to hear Tammy > Blanchard > > is doing this part on Broadway. I think she would be perfect for > it. > > She is an extremely talented young woman and I hope she goes far. > > A wonderful dvd to buy. And Tammy was wonderful in the role. Thanks Jerry. I will try to get hold of that dvd. Tammy is very lovely and has this lovely voice. She seems to combine the conversational way of saloon singers and the fine-ness of light operatic voice. I am a fan of Judy Davis. Big time. There are only 3 actresses who are compulsively watchable, for me: Judy Davis, Isabelle Huppert and Debra Winger. Judy Davis was brilliant in "My Brilliant Career" and was first among equals in the Woody Allen ensemble "Husbands and Wives". She gnawed the scenery everytime she comes onscreen from "Barton Fink" to "Naked Lunch" to "The New Age" and "The Ref". Even in Clint Eastwood's "Absolute Power," she shines as an ambitious presidential chief of staff. She was supposed to do the Paulina character in Roman Polanski's "Death and the Maiden" but I don't know how it eventually went to Sigourney Weaver. So, yes, I will look for that dvd with her playing Judy Garland. I think I am in love with Judy Davis. > > Jerry, who was in NYC for 4 days last week and would have loved to > meet up > with Joseph! Wow! Thanks. I will hook up with you when I get there, which might be Thanksgiving or around Christmastime. Joseph Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:17:26 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: RE: Gypsy the Musical (NJC) Patrick, Wow thanks for this. Maybe I can finally meet two JMDLers (you and Jerry Notaro) for the first time (unless I don't see Bob Muller first or visit Vince in Eminem Land). Except for one other grad student here in our school who likes Joni Mitchell, I have never met anyone yet. Except for this cute undergrad student who was humming "Big Yellow taxi" to herself in the Post Office this afternoon. I hope she learned to hum it via Joni and not just from a cover, either way would be good, still. > Joseph: > > i don't think we've ever emailed privately, but i've always enjoyed > your > writing on the list, and besides i love showing people around my > favorite > new york sights, so if you like, please do email me next time you > return. i > live and work in manhattan so it's easy for me to meet. I would love to see New York from a perspective of an NY native. Rockefeller Plaza is quite touristy (but I am a tourist!) but I love to sit in one of the benches and just inhale the cinematic flow of the people. So far, Rockefeller is my favorite spot, and the best restaurant I went to (excepting the authentic Filipino resto in Queens) is this Brazilian place called Cubana Carioca. I guess my criteria has always been quantity more than anything. Argentine Pavilion was also great but I didn't get why there is such a food as blood sausage. > i have seen 'nine', and truly enjoyed it. it's really a clever > production. > some of the original cast is gone, but it's probably still worth > seeing. > http://www.nineonbroadway.com/ coincidentally, marni nixon is in it > now, > along with john stamos and eartha kitt. I wanted to see "Nine" too. I don't know who willplay the Mastroinani and the Claudia Cardinale role in the musical version. I can't even conceive how it can be made a musical but I am curious to see a Fellini if vicariously through a musical. Incidentally, this senior guy we met in "Gypsy" and who, along with his two friends told us who best represents Mama Rose, sent me a couple of CDs. I didn't remember giving him my address here in NC but 4 CDs arrived today via mail. One is the Ethel Merman Gypsy soundtrack and three were from theatre singers I haven't heard of until now: Brent Barrett, Christiane Noll and David Campbell. I should remember to thank him when I visit NYC again. Thanks for the kind invites again, Joseph (watched Cesaria Evora last night in Chapel Hill.... glorious!) Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:40:10 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Cesaria Evora (NJC) I watched Cesaria Evora in concert last night here in UNC Chapel Hill. I own a couple of her CDs when I was still in Manila and even if I cannot understand a single thing she sings via the Cape Verde creole language, its listening to her voice and the mournful ways she does things even in jaunty numbers that engage me. A lot. The theater was full and I noticed that the social demographics nod towards the 40-55 age bracket. Mostly people from the academe and grad students like myself. The band started with a Cape Verdean waltz and when she came out, the applause was thunderous and continued even when she started singing "Isolada" from her latest album. I marvel at the voice of this woman. She can create sounds and tones from the lowest to the highest notes with such even-ness that one associates with the classically trained singers. The musical arrangement was waltz-like but the way she lags behind the beat, reminds me of Billie Holiday sometimes. Then this clarinet-player/soprano sax duetted with her in one number. For a moment you think its a Cape Verde version of Billie and Lester Young, but Cesaria and the horn player reminds you instead of Etta Jones and Houston Person. Rapport and an almost psychic feeling for music. When she came out of the stage, she was dancing in this not-really-very- graceful way but you immediately get the point that she is not selling precision dancing or image, but the heart and soul of her music. She closed her eyes several times while singing and was very un-diva. I say that because aside from her tag as the Barefoot Diva, she does not really have this great showmanship onstage. Just a woman with a lovely voice singing songs in a storytelling fashion and in a way only she knew how best to communicate. Its a hair-raising moment. She gets better with each song and she sings so effortlessly. One time, she just stopped the house and said something in her language that she wanted to smoke while the band is performing. She sat in a chair and just lighted a cigarette in full view of the appreciative audience. And speaking of the audience, I have never seen a concert like this before. People were dancing on the aisle and just had fun. Many of us who were shy or were not gifted with terpsichordean talents just watched and enjoyed how this woman could make people do the things they do without them truly understanding the lyrics of her songs. Just a heart to heart conversation. The idiosyncratic prolongation of guttural sounds no longer mattered: here's a place where language fails and where its insufficiency to express the dense blackness/joyous lightness of one is laid bare. When she sang "Besame Mucho" everyone was quiet. Dead quiet. As though not wanting to miss anything, as though her breath intake somehow is a priceless musical statement. The applause after that song did not come immediately but when it did, it went on for a long time. I was reminded of a concert of Rickie Lee Jones by one of the List members here who said that after she sang "My Funny Valentine" everyone was quiet because they were so moved that mere silence alone conveyed so much. Cesaria did that with "Besame Mucho". I don't know if what she sang can be considered as torch songs but I guess it would be considered that to. One should never sing torch songs in any language lightly; the gut emotion they require seems impervious to fakery and falseness. Cesaria, I think is like a medium where one can experience great music. Through her. Unforgettable. Joseph Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:22:37 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: And you thought Joni was cranky...NJC Rod Stewart hits out at rivals Tuesday, October 28, 2003 Posted: 9:35 AM EST (1435 GMT) Stewart feels unfairly criticized for dating younger women LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Rocker Rod Stewart feels he has been unfairly criticized for dating a younger woman, especially when ex-Beatle Paul McCartney escaped censure despite taking a wife half his age. Stewart, 58, told the British magazine Radio Times Tuesday the difference was that McCartney had a knighthood. He also complained at being passed over for a Grammy Award in favor of British rival Sting, calling him "Mr. Serious who helps the Indians," and nicknamed singer Elton John "Sharon." Stewart, whose partner is 32-year-old model Penny Lancaster, was speaking before next month's formal opening of London musical "Tonight's the Night," based on 22 of his chart-topping songs. "What pisses me off is they never have a go at Paul McCartney for marrying a younger woman ... but they kill me because of Penny," he said. McCartney, 61, is 26 years older than his wife, Heather Mills, the same age difference as between Stewart and Lancaster. "Perhaps it's because he's got a knighthood," Stewart added. "I don't know why I haven't got any honor. I do my bit for charity." Stewart, riding high in the album charts, complained he had been passed over for the Grammy Awards. "It's astounding I've never won one," he said. "They tend not to give it to the British unless you're Sting. The sun shines out of his arse -- a pure jazz musician, Mr. Serious who helps the Indians." Elton John, another singer with a knighthood, also earned Stewart's disapproval for not inviting him to his parties. Dubbing him "Sharon," Stewart took a swipe at John's appearance and weight. "My hair is nice and real and looks it, and hers doesn't. No, I take that back. He looks good at the moment, but he could lose a bit of timber," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:46:54 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #535 - Coupling NJC I've heard stories about wealthy and powerful men who have secret affairs with (usually) young men .....Sounds good to me. And then there are the marriages of appearance that, for some unknown reason (movies maybe?), I associate with the 1940s and 1950s (in the U.S.), where a gay man and a lesbian get married, and then have their own separate relationships, but is that done anymore? ......Sure is. I could name a socially prominent couple right here in the Emerald City (but I won't). But probably not as often as a gay person marrying a straight person and hiding out there. I don't get the impression that's what the Liza and David marriage was about, so, what in the world was she thinking? And if David "didn't know"... Debra Shea .....Implying that the Liza/David marriage wasn't genuine? How could that be? Why, they had Liz, Michael Jackson and any number of messed up, phony celebrities there to validate it. Seriously I think we could all see that train wreck coming. I think the alcoholism had something to do with it. I really should get back to work. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:33:44 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni_Track:_Grandeur_et_D=E9cadence_=3F?= I was surfing through the Internet Movie Data Base site and stumbled on this Joni entry from the Godard TV movie `Grandeur et Dicadence`. Does anyone know what song or music this might be referring to? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091146/fullcredits And here are a few more obscure documentary movie links on the site that credit appearances by Joni : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090141/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107436/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243199/ Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:43:46 -0500 From: Subject: "hits" and "misses" are 7 years old?! Les said, >1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" were released.> I guess this a good time to discuss the back catalog. If Joni called me tonight I'd ask her: "Did releasing 'hits' kill off your back catalog or, more likely, WERE YOU FULL OF SHIT?!" Over the years (7 ?!?) there have been several young people who've joined the JMDL and said that their first Joni CD was 'hits' or 'misses' and found her work incredibly worthy. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Kate writes: > > > And here we are with a gay > > thread. > > What do you mean "a" gay thread, Kate? Between Liza > and Judy and Bette and Ethel and gay/str8 marriages > plus the love lives of Wally and Steve, we now have > more gay threads than a Broadway seamstress! > > --Bob Would that make it a gay tapestry? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:04:34 -0500 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC Good news, Mark! After a long (3 hours!) meeting and much heated discussion, we've decided to let you keep your card. This incident was obviously an unintentional oversight on your part and not indicative of your overall gay qualifications. You should know that many at the meeting spoke passionately on your behalf. I also want to mention that your candidness and overall good nature tipped the scales in your favor. Not to mention the primo Bette and Grace quotes. Congratulations!:-) David NP: "Sunday In The Park With George" OCR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" > > Even though I do know the correct spelling of Ms. Davis first name, > this just slipped right by me. Ok, get it over with. Take the card. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:06:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Joni=20Track:=20Grandeur=20et=20D=E9cadenc e?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20=3F?= Good catch, Michael, but this title is already in the Joni in Fiction part of JMDL.com. It has a request for more info, if anyone has any, but no one has come forth yet. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:50:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_Joni_Track:_Grandeur_et_Decadence_=3F?= dear michael, i have just written to the only user that has commented on the movie asking for the information. he might own a copy of the movie and thus be able to check out on the soundtrack listing. he might also think i'm nuts and ignore me completely. as turandot says: "vedremo!" wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:10:37 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re:Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet - NJC After being badgered into posting, Alison whines: << so there, murphy, there you go, and now i'll be at the office till eight o'clock to make up for this. ;-) >> But I neeeeeeeed attention from you, Alison! Just thank your lucky stars I don't live in SLC, where I could stalk you more effectively. And in answer to some of the stuff you wrote about: << i'm dying to know if anyone has read/is reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown >> No, I have not/am not. But I am about to begin "Running with Scissors" by Augusten Burroughs, which you recommended to me last spring. It has taken me weeks to finish a so-so book called "Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl," a novel about 17th century slaves in Barbados. I met Maggie for coffee a couple of weeks ago, when I had just started reading the book. I told her I identified. "With what part?" Maggie asked. "Irish . . . slave . . . and girl," I answered. (Maybe you had to be there. ) I have heard about "The Da Vinci Code," but not a lot. When you finish it, why don't you let us all know the ending! << i desperately want someone with whom to discuss the BRILLIANCE and MAGIC of rufus wainwright's new album Want 1. >> This I am hearing a lot of buzz about. I am looking forward to hearing it. Maybe if I post something about MG I can get her to post, too! Love you, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:28:06 -0800 From: Susan Clark Subject: Joni Tribute in Vancouver This is extremely late notice (my niece just called me to let me know) but there will be a tribute to Joni at The Cellar Jazz Club in Vancouver tonight. The group is the Christie Grace Trio (students from the Capilano College music programme) and they will be doing two sets, one at 8 p.m. and then at 9:45. The Cellar is at Broadway and Alma (not sure of the exact address) and the cover is $10. I9m not sure if I will be able to make it (I live over an hour drive from downtown) but I hope some local Listers can. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:59 +0200 From: "G'n H" Subject: David Sanborn at NorthSeaJazzFestival2000 (NJC) A beautiful song is playd on http://server.tweakdsl.nl/files/Eyala.mp3 David Sanborn - sax, Joe Sample - piano, Richard Bona - bass, guitar, vocals Brian Blade ("the wonderful") - drums Is'n Bona just beautiful on the voice and bass?! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:59:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re:Top Ten Reasons Why the JMDL Went Quiet -- NJC >for instance, i'm dying to know if anyone has read/is reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, a mindboggling book that I'm sure many of you would love (i just finished it< Yes I've read it & what a page turner! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:15:51 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Gypsy the Musical (NJC) hey joseph: i just read your 'cesaria evora' post and it sounded like a gorgeous concert, and it was also beautiful post. so glad you're writing so much. and that was me who talked about the silence after rickie lee singing my funny valentine, berkeley, 1982. john stamos is currently in the mastroianni role. i've never seen the movie, is cardinale the actress (probably) or the wife? the show is reviewed (again, for replacement actors) in today's nytimes http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/29/arts/theater/29NINE.html. you'll have to create a login, but it'll be free for a couple of days. all best, patrick np - reich, four organs (piano circus) "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #536 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)