From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #527 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 527 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: lakota/croz on joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: lakota [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com [Bob.Muller@Fl] Re: RLJ interview/new album njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com [Steve Polifka ] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com + Mandy [Bob.Mulle] Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: rickie french lyrics njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: RLJ interview/new album njc [FredNow@aol.com] Fw: rickie french lyrics njc (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Re: more Jon urls [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: elliot smith NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc for Susan Guzzi with love [vince ] Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Crosby Interview with Joni Content [] blue article from october "uncut" magazine ["ron" ] Re: question re: Me and My Uncle ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Help Me !!!/ Jonifest scrapbook plea ["Scott and] Re: blue article from october "uncut" magazine ["Mark or Travis" ] Today's Library Links: October 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: October 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Paz, you da man! (njc) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:53:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: lakota/croz on joni hey paz, it was me who started this with a pondering question after the synchronicity of receiving a piece from a friend written by someone from the lakota tribe...but i never even hinted at condemning her & i don't remembering anyone else doing so either...people discuss all sorts of things about her songs, pro & con so i thought it was a food for thought & discussion sort of thing...so sorry if it bugged you but i'm glad to hear what you have to say... & thanks for the croz on joni quote too...i tend to agree with him on this subject but mostly i wish it for her own sake so she can feel good about her place in the world...anyway i'm sure she'd have a thing or two to say about him in return! & lo & behold on the valley fest link page in that first photo i spied myself in the crowd! sweet justice after all these years of never finding myself in all those woodstock photos...:~} http://www.crosbycpr.com/ >If this means we have to condemn songwriters and storytellers for their efforts to make these issues more accessible to the masses than I need to get off this list as well as many others. < ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:56:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: lakota --- Michael Paz wrote: > Which I would like to add my comment that if it > hadn't have been for the > song or the video that obviously makes money for a > lot of people other than > the Lakota, I would not have a clue who the Lakota > are. ... > This thread has been eating at me (obviously) > since I was inclined to > post on a topic I would normally delete because of > the time issue or because > I felt I had nothing really significant to offer on > it (being that I don't > know the whole story either). I really would rather > enjoy the little parts > of life that I am blessed with that are wonderful > and try to heal the needy > and the sick and change the past thru a positive > change for the future. I > hope this makes sense to someone other than me cause > I am in a weird place > myself this evening and I mean no disrespect to > anyone or anything. You don't need to apologize for posting from the heart. What you said makes lots of sense. I had never heard of the Lakota either. I thought Lakota was the name of a person, not a group of people; however, the point was still made and y'know what? I like that song. It's not one of my favourites, but I never skip past it either. I'd say more but am not feeling particularly eloquent these days and my eyes are bothering me a lot. It turns out it's "just" allergies, but it feels more like someone threw acid in them and I hope the damn Livistin does what it's supposed to. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:07:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com Well, there IS man2man.com!!! Steve At 07:58 PM 10/21/2003 EDT, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/21/2003 7:47:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Murphycopy@aol.com writes: >Bob, now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or >dogeatdog.com . . . >Well, you just had to make me look Bob. There's no songforaseagull.com, but >there is a dogeatdog.com...........it's some punk band (i think), plus there's >a blue.com, but I think it's just a bunch of smurf dolls :~) > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:45:51 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com And also windfall.com. Where does it end!!!! At 07:58 PM 10/21/2003 EDT, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/21/2003 7:47:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Murphycopy@aol.com writes: >Bob, now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or >dogeatdog.com . . . >Well, you just had to make me look Bob. There's no songforaseagull.com, but >there is a dogeatdog.com...........it's some punk band (i think), plus there's >a blue.com, but I think it's just a bunch of smurf dolls :~) > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:55:14 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com Oh Lordy, There is: Amelia.com Coyote.com Blackcrow.com (a porn site) Strangeboy.com Marcie.com Windfall.com man2man.com Goodfriends.com Sheesh! At 07:58 PM 10/21/2003 EDT, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/21/2003 7:47:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Murphycopy@aol.com writes: >Bob, now wondering if there's a songforaseagull.com site, or >dogeatdog.com . . . >Well, you just had to make me look Bob. There's no songforaseagull.com, but >there is a dogeatdog.com...........it's some punk band (i think), plus there's >a blue.com, but I think it's just a bunch of smurf dolls :~) > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:17:55 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Lotc.com and now jonimitchellsongs.com Here's the last of them- (as if anyone really cares! lol1) willie.com stayintouch.com theblueboy.com leadballoon (domain for sale) love.com chinesecafe.com downtoyou.com (domain for sale) twisted.com talk2me.com dreamland.com tenthworld.com mysecretplace.com I'm tired now! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:26:28 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Lotc.com and now jonimitchellsongs.com there's also a wearegolden.com ....heheeeehee this could take hours of research, as if anyone has that much time...lol Victor, trying to actually get something done before going to work > Here's the last of them- > (as if anyone really cares! lol1) > > > willie.com > stayintouch.com > theblueboy.com > leadballoon (domain for sale) > love.com > chinesecafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:27:20 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Bob 'Gentleman' Muller Raffaele Malanga wrote: > Thanks to the most gentleman of all - Bob Muller - I had the chance to > catch up with some of the covers in the vaults. Rachel Z's entire album > 'Moon at the window' is a great jazz take on Joni. I particularly love > her rendition of River and BSN. And I too want to shout out (or sing out) my thanks to Mr. Muller...in my case, for sharing the video & CD of the Let's Sing Out shows. Bob has provided some incredible early sets by Joni over the years, but I never expected to be able to not only hear, but see, performances as early as the 1965 & 66 Let's Sing Out shows. Set aside the historical value, the quality of Joni's singing and the excellence of the early compositions make these shows as valuable as almost anything else in the Joni canon. In a world where you often really have to dig to find the tiny fraction of pop culture that has any real value, kudos to those who make the digging worthwhile, and prevent these great treasures from becoming lost. Many thanks, Bob! Now, what's this about Joni "covers"? You mean like blankets? Does Joni have her own line of bed linens like Martha Stewart? I hadn't heard... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:30:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com + Mandy But of course! The patterns are printed on Both Sides Now & the fabric is flame-retardant so you can smoke in bed! :~) Bob PS: Doug Meek, not me, should get the credit for this Let's Sing Out (along with Ashara for all her video duping, and she's still in therapy for having to hear "Prithee Pretty Maiden" over 60 times). - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:49:11 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing Muller writes: > The patterns are printed on Both Sides Now & the fabric is > flame-retardant so you can smoke in bed! :~) And they're available in little green, black crow, Exxon blue and radiation rose. - --Bob, who'd love to see the festive holiday wreath Joni makes out of American Spirit cigarette butts and gold spray paint! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:51:07 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing Yep... There's a jonistewart.com . who would have thought..... Victor, way too idle now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Lotc.com and now jonimitchellsongs.com Steve, Perhaps had you not spent so much time at he man2man.com site you wouldnt be so tired. Wondering if the willie.com and the stayintouch.com sights also could have added to your tiredness! Dog Eat Dog - UGH Steve, I have been through this one before - Its really not my cup of tea and it isnt really Joni's either - its like a Stepford Joni. The sound is just very unappealing to me and I am glad that Joni put some of her weakest work here so that I have it all in one bad package. With the obvious exception being Impossible Dreamer which still has too much techno to it and would have been beautiful accoustically done. as would most of these anyway not a fan of that sound. Its irritating!!! Course CMIARS isnt much better but at least its not soo freaking irritating. I love all the others sooo much I think I can be forgiven here. LOL! And Jimmy the dogeatdog.com site sounds exactly as I imagined it would! Peace, Susan Steve Polifka wrote: Here's the last of them- (as if anyone really cares! lol1) willie.com stayintouch.com theblueboy.com leadballoon (domain for sale) love.com chinesecafe.com downtoyou.com (domain for sale) twisted.com talk2me.com dreamland.com tenthworld.com mysecretplace.com I'm tired now! Steve The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:11:28 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Stewart - It's A Good Thing Muller writes: > But of course! The patterns are printed on Both Sides Now &the fabric is > flame-retardant so you can smoke in bed! :~) > As long as she doesn't use that awful material that Issey Miyake used on her outfits in the 90's. Joni *has* to stop dressing like Bea Arthur! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:18:06 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Lotc.com and now jonimitchellsongs.com Oh I forgot one- not kidding here... its: helpme.com And Susan dearest, after Jeff, willie.com, stayintouch.com and man2man.com are anti-climactic! (pun intended...) hugs to you all, Steve At 10:26 AM 10/22/2003 -0700, Victor Johnson wrote: > >there's also a wearegolden.com ....heheeeehee > >this could take hours of research, as if anyone has that much time...lol > >Victor, trying to actually get something done before going to work > > > > >> Here's the last of them- >> (as if anyone really cares! lol1) >> >> >> willie.com >> stayintouch.com >> theblueboy.com >> leadballoon (domain for sale) >> love.com >> chinesecafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:33:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: The 3 Great Stimulants & Nietzsche Well, the Geffen box set did give me one tidbit of info. I thought the Three Great Stimulants was lyrically original to Joni, but it was actually lifted from Nietzsche. In his 1895 "The Case Of Wagner" he writes: All that the world most needs today is combined in the most seductive way in his art-the three great stimulants of exhausted people : brutality, artificiality, and innocence... Bob NP: Tori, "Sweet" live 1996 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: elliot smith NJC hi guys, keep having things pop into my head to post lately, but haven't had alot of time (just saw laurel canyon, the movie, and the featurette on the DVD has tons of joni content, as does the movie which i think has already been discussed here...) in any case, just wanted to say how very sad i am that elliot smith has died...apparently from a self-inflicted stab wound. suicide. I am so very sad about this, i really loved his music, and just saw him play live a couple of weeks ago. he was a very talented musician, songwriter, and performer, and he will be greatly missed. hope you're all well. alison e. in slc np: elliot. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:16:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: rickie french lyrics njc here they are. the original lyrics have quite a few misspellings so i had to guess what some lines meant by saying the words out loud and using phonetic approximations. for example, the title "marrants d'eau douce" doesn't make any sense ("fresh water bizarre ones"???), so i assume she meant "marins d'eau douce", which sounds slightly alike. i also supposed that when she writes "recountrer" she means "recontrer". bottomline, i hope laurent and other french-speaking listers take a look at it to correct the million misinterpretations i may have made. as posted by hell, the lyrics in french are De Memphis a Nashville Y'a une route qui sent bon... l'Blues Y'a pas trop d'gondoles Y'a que des marrants d'eau douce, douce Des milliers d'santiags En vente dans l'restauroute Et des ch'mises a carreaux Qu'ont jamais l'moindre doute De Memphis a Nashville Y'a une vieille cad qui titube Et dedans y'a l'chanteur Qui sait plus les faire les tubes Qu'il ouvre un oeil S'il veut pas abimer Les milliers d'santiags Et les ch'mises a carreaux Entre Memphis et Nashville Elle se sort du restauroute L'soleil lui ferme les yeux Elle en a plus rien a foutre Elle voit pas l'chanteur A l'envers dans l'fosse La cad et l'chauffeur En sont tout retournes Oh tel que j'les connais Y vont bien s'recountrer my translation is: From Memphis to Nashville Theres a route that feels good the blues The stores dont have too many aisles There are only losers Thousands of cowboy boots On sale at the roadhouse And plaid shirts That are so unmistakable From Memphis to Nashville Theres an old Cadillac that jolts and bumps And inside theres the singer Who doesnt know how to write hits anymore who opens an eye lest he should come to grief the thousands of cowboy boots and the plaid shirts between Memphis and Nashville she leaves the roadhouse the sun forces her to close her eyes she doesnt give a fuck anymore she doesnt see the singer anymore upside down in the ditch the Cadillac and the driver have overturned knowing them as well as I know them thats where they would end up meeting. let's hear from laurent and the rest of the francophones. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:30:23 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: RLJ interview/new album njc In a message dated 10/22/2003 8:33:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Like you say, she employs an incredibly varied array of musical > styles and colors on this record, and when you hear (and can understand) > what she's saying, it's a rare combination of music and lyric that helps to > fill in the gap that Joni has left open. Yes, Rickie raises Frank Zappa's description of lyrics as being "pitched mouth sounds" to new heights. Fortunately, the lyrics can be found at rickieleejones.com As far as filling the gap that Joni left open, amen to that. This is exactly the sort of songful tunefulness that I've lamented as being sorely missing from Joni's music for so long. > It really takes you off guard as I've never thought of RLJ as being so > politically/socially charged. Emotional yes, to be sure, but this is a > whole 'nuther side. To mate a swinging jazz groove with a lyric like "he's > an ugly man, always was an ugly man, he grew up to be like his father..." > is just a brilliant one-two punch. Here in the south to describe someone as > "ugly" has less to do with their appearance and more to do with their > demeanor, so it has a special sting to it. Not just in the South, but everywhere ... her connotation is unmistakenly the ugliness inside. In fact, the lyric includes: "he grew up to be like his father/ugly inside." Darn right. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:35:42 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: rickie french lyrics njc (for AOL members) Merci bien, Wally, je trouve ton frangais tr'es bon, aussi! Mes compliments: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "patrick leader" ; "hell" ; Enviado: miircoles, 22 de octubre de 2003 19:16 Asunto: RE: rickie french lyrics njc > here they are. the original lyrics have quite a few misspellings so i had to > guess what some lines meant by saying the words out loud and using phonetic > approximations. for example, the title "marrants d'eau douce" doesn't make > any sense ("fresh water bizarre ones"???), so i assume she meant "marins > d'eau douce", which sounds slightly alike. i also supposed that when she > writes "recountrer" she means "recontrer". bottomline, i hope laurent and > other french-speaking listers take a look at it to correct the million > misinterpretations i may have made. > > as posted by hell, the lyrics in french are > > De Memphis a Nashville > Y'a une route qui sent bon... l'Blues > Y'a pas trop d'gondoles > Y'a que des marrants d'eau douce, douce > Des milliers d'santiags > En vente dans l'restauroute > Et des ch'mises a carreaux > Qu'ont jamais l'moindre doute > > De Memphis a Nashville > Y'a une vieille cad qui titube > Et dedans y'a l'chanteur > Qui sait plus les faire les tubes > Qu'il ouvre un oeil > S'il veut pas abimer > Les milliers d'santiags > Et les ch'mises a carreaux > > Entre Memphis et Nashville > Elle se sort du restauroute > L'soleil lui ferme les yeux > Elle en a plus rien a foutre > Elle voit pas l'chanteur > A l'envers dans l'fosse > La cad et l'chauffeur > En sont tout retournes > Oh tel que j'les connais > Y vont bien s'recountrer > > my translation is: > > From Memphis to Nashville > Theres a route that feels good the blues > The stores dont have too many aisles > There are only losers > Thousands of cowboy boots > On sale at the roadhouse > And plaid shirts > That are so unmistakable > > From Memphis to Nashville > Theres an old Cadillac that jolts and bumps > And inside theres the singer > Who doesnt know how to write hits anymore > who opens an eye > lest he should come to grief > the thousands of cowboy boots > and the plaid shirts > > between Memphis and Nashville > she leaves the roadhouse > the sun forces her to close her eyes > she doesnt give a fuck anymore > she doesnt see the singer anymore > upside down in the ditch > the Cadillac and the driver have overturned > knowing them as well as I know them > thats where they would end up meeting. > > let's hear from laurent and the rest of the francophones. > love, > wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:44:08 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: more Jon urls www.alliwant.com (give giving site) www.electricity.com (international news) www.littlegreen.com (redirects to Bissell vacuum cleaners - what's up with that?) www.banquet.com (directory of banquet halls and caterers) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:55:39 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: more Jon urls Deb writes: > www.littlegreen.com (redirects to Bissell vacuum cleaners - > what's up with > that?) Go to Joni in Fiction and click on Misc. for the full story one alert JMDLer provided on this new product every Joni Stewart home should have! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:24:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: elliot smith NJC What a shock. I hadn't heard that, what a loss. Don't know what else to say. I picked up on him by way of John van Tiel who ranked his "XO" cd highly. I loved that one & even moreso his 2000 release "Figure 8". Matter of fact, I kept looking to see when his next one was coming out as he was overdue. Bob NP: Tori, "I Can't See New York" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:14:59 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc for Susan Guzzi with love http://www.chrishope.com/pixschtas/osama.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:39:03 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: ladies of the canyon and now ladiesofthecanyon.com Les I wrote: > There is actually a www.siquomb.com :-) Funny you should mention that! I discovered it JUST YESTERDAY!! Lori, somewhere in Lurkdom ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:45:12 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Paz, you da man! (njc) Janine, I envy you your trip. Now, the next step is for you to come to the next Jonifest in New England, where these sorts of revelations and transporting experiences are yours 24/3 (or 4). Best, Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Janine Sherman [mailto:sherman@netrax.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:04 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Paz, you da man! Hello all, My husband and I spent a luscious, long weekend in N'awlins.There's a Latin man who lives in the bayou who does not know a stranger. Michael Paz met up with us and offered us his special brand of hospitality. We were whisked off and directed to delectable dining spots, as well as serenaded with Joni Mitchell tunes. He and his lovely wife sang a heartfelt Chinese Cafe duet at their gleaming baby grand. Next came the magic Parker VG8 that made me believe Joni 's fingers and spirit had been transported to that space and time. It was glorious. Throughout this whole exchange my Doubting Daniel of a husband actually showed a flicker of appreciation for Joni and her alternate tunings. In fact, he was so impressed and inspired by musically adept Paz' generous spirit and his devotion to Joni, I think he may attempt a few of her songs on his guitar or piano. Thanks, Paz, you 'da man! God Bless. Janine NP: World Turning- Lindsey Buckingham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:23:17 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Crosby Interview with Joni Content Paz wrote: "Funny that9s the part that really made me laugh caude I know no one can present a case better than our Joan. I relish the truth of this statement by Croz and mourn the reality of it because I agree with her (most of the time) on the (what Croz calls) baggage." And the original quote went: "DC: Well, she knows just how I feel, so it's no secret. She carries around so much anger and bitterness, and stuff, baggage that is so unnecessary, and she shows so little gratitude for being given the gift that she's been given. She treats it like it was her just desserts or something, you know, and it's b all I can say is if that had been me, I would have been very, very grateful and tried to be nice to everybody. And, she's very angry and bitter and feels underappreciated, and shebll tell you about it for hours. And, I think that's graceless of her, you know. I wrote it all down in a song which I can't print. (laughter) I wrote a really good song about Joni, which I can't print anywhere." And me now. It pains me to say this, but I agree with the Croz on this one: both that Joni can enthusiastically present a case (as Paz puts it), and with Crosby's substantive comments that Joni seems bitter and angry. Perhaps I would have said this just a little differently than he did, but I agree with the gist. I love Joni's music. I have lived with it "in my blood like holy wine" for nearly 30 years. And I've got to tell you that meeting her, not once, but *twice*, was certainly a highlight in my life that I never, ever expected. Yet sometimes, when I read the interviews she's given, I want to take her and mentally shake her. Yes, perhaps she was done wrong by various record companies and radio stations. Yes, perhaps more people could, and should, know her work. But after a certain point, it strikes me that the honorable, graceful thing to do is take responsibility for having made artistic choices that turned out not to have been commercially viable, learn to live with the results, and move on. Or, in the words of another artist who knew not a little about the consequences of such choices, but who recently made and released a final album of uncommon beauty under the direst circumstances I can imagine: "Old man used to tell me, 'Son, never look back. Move on to the next case. Fold your clothes and pack!'" With all due respect to Joni: enough already. Next?? Mary P., grown ornery and crotchety in her old age, and who only tolerates whining about--well, whining. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:43:57 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: blue article from october "uncut" magazine hi well - here it is in all its unproofread glory :-) ron ********************************************************* Segment Name: ALL TIME CLASSICS - Great albums that have fallen off the ctitical radar Title: Blue by Joni Mitchell Side bar 1: Label - Warner Bros Released - June 1971 Musicians - Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Pete Kleinow, Russ Kunkel, Stephen Stills Tracks - All I Want, My Old Man, Little Green, Carey, Blue, California, This Flight Tonight, River, A Case of You, The last time I saw richard Side Bar 2: With every line Joni gives her all. This album is an exorcism, the sound of someone writing themselves better. Pictures: 1) Cover shot of the CD, 2) a beautiful joni looking upward, 3) a shot of nash and joni entitled : Mitchell and Nash : "Do you see how you hurt me?" Body of article: Joni Mitchell fans know that she recorded 1971's "Blue", her fourth album, in an "emotionally transparent" state, after her relationship with Graham Nash fell apart. The couple, who were introduced by David Crosby, enjoyed a joyous lo0ve affair, Joni moving out to California from her native Canada to live with Nash in Laurel Canyon. But by the time Crasby, Stills, Nash and Young started work on "Deja Vu" in 1969, the relationship was on the rocks. When the inevitable break up came, 27 year old Joni pouredd her heartache into "Blue", writing bleak sketches for acoustic guitar and piano (for the Nash take, listen to "I Used To Be King" and "Simple Man" from his 1971 album "For Beginners"). What scant accompinoment there is comes from Stephen Stills, James Taylor, (by this time Joni's new lover), Pete Kleinow, and Russ Kunkel. But the music is always secondary to her voice, which whoops and leaps, and flies, and soars, and warbles, and takes all kinds of improbable jazzy detours. As with many singer songwriters, the music is an exercise in mood, a scene-setting device, a framework for poetry and voice. Although Blue has similarities with the product of other female singer songwriters like Laura Nyro, Carole King and Judy Collins, it exists in its own bleak universe, a snap[shot of one woman's life as her soul makes a journey from chronic unhappiness to personal r5ebirth. Like Big Star's "Sister Lovers, The Replacement's "All shook Dopwn", John Cale's "Music For A New Society", or Lou reed's "Berlin", "Blue" is a once in a lifetime reecord, the kind of album that no artists ever makes twice, nor could be expected to. With every line of "Blue", Joni gives her all, the songs exuding a weird, vital energy, the album an exorcism, a bilious venting, the sound of someone writing themselves better. The album opens with "All I Want", gentle brushes of acoustic guitar that were almost recreated note-perfect by Mark Eitzel (a huge Joni Fan) for the intro to the American Music Club track "Ive Been A Mess". The lyrics are phrased, paced and rhymed with a poets ear and often most beautiful when she makes them sound throwaway ("Oh I love you when I forget about me" and "Do you see how you hurt me baaby/so i hurt you too"). Next up is "My Old Man" on which Joni sings about Nash: "My old man, he's a walker in the rain/hes a dancer in the dark". She sings of love between two musicians: "Hes the warmest chord I ever heard/Play that warm chord and stay". But then he's gone and she's lonely: "the beds too big/the frying pans too wide". Time and time again on this album she tosses off the beautiful, offbeat Raymond Carver-style snapshots of love on the rocks. "Little Green" surfs a brittle, picked, guitar motif as vulnerable as the woman singing over it, and is said to be about the child Joni gave up for adoption when sha was young (not that anyone knew this at the time of the album's release). The acoustic shuffle of "Carey" returns us to the pop terrain of "Big Yellow Taxi" the song which helped Joni's third album "Ladies of the Canyon" sell half a million copies. Track five, the very Laura Nyro-Carole King sounding jazzy piano ballad "Blue" is rumoured to have been written as a thank you letter to James Taylor for pullingh her from her despair. It also seems to be a warning to "Blue" not to fall prey to the way their peers are living: "You can make it through these waves/Acid, Booze and Ass/Needles guns and Grass/lots of laughs" Overall its got the bruised feel of a Billie Holiday classic. After that things go jaunty-ditty with travelogue ditty "California" (she went travelling in 1970 to escape her newfound fame), the dancing guitar, washes of pedal steel and pretty lyric reminiscent of modern day Joni fans Counting Crows who recently covered "Big Yellow Taxi". The rumoured move from Nash to Taylor is coyly hinted at when she sings: "California coming home/ Oh will ypu take me as I am / Strung out on another man". In the dark James Taylor strums of "This Flight Tonight", we can hear Mark Kozelek's work with Red House Painters, as well as countless songs penned and sung by Natalie Merchant. Its a greta flying metaphor of a song, Joni comparing circling to land at night with a spiralling love affair. : "Blackness, blackness dragging me down / Come on light the candle in this poor heart of mine". The saddest and best song on the album, "River" opens with the tinkle of "Jingle Bells" (something Lisa Germano lifted for her "Excerpts From a Love Circus" album) and chronicles a lonely festive epriod: "Its coming on Christmas....I Wish I Had a River, I Could Skate Away On". "River" blends into "A Case of You", the same broken love affairf under the microscope, with an opening guitar figure that was later vert likely appropriated by Annie Lennox on "Why?" The album closes with a piano ballad "The Last Time I Saw Richard", a goodby to her old life singing in folk clubs, and a failed marriage in Canada. And then its over, this painfull 36 minute confession, this open house with Jopni's diaries from 1969 - 1970. Such honesty makes this an album to treasure. Its difficult listening. Like all her work is. But its that rare thing, and album that speaks to you the way only a lover can. Nick Johnstone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:58:17 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: question re: Me and My Uncle Deb wrote: "She does sing the line about taking off her shirt. Unless I'm hearing wrong, she calls herself "Denver Gal" in the song, though. Are gals allowed to take their shirts off?" Sure, why not, especially when there is a high-stakes poker game going on. Probably the reason Uncle won all the cowboy's money. :) Then Bob wrote: "Another thing I love about the performance of "Uncle" is when she bends that string, it just seems atypical for her. The only other time I hear that dramatic a string bending is when she plays "Come to the Sunshine". Is this just my imagination too?" No, it's not just your imagination, I noticed this too. But the string bending in "Come to the Sunshine" sounds more like a kitten's purr to my ears. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:06:47 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Help Me !!!/ Jonifest scrapbook plea Hi all, Speaking of help, I'm working on the Jonifest 2002 scrapbook. The scrapbook division of the JMDL is one year behind. I know that I can get most of the photos from Chris's site, but OUTTAKES are welcome too! If anyone has any hard copy photos that are not quite up to snuff, that didn't make it to Hatstand, I'd love to have them. With a scrapbook you cut and paste. For example I was just looking at a photo where Susan and Smurph are the main study, but at the last moment, someone steps right in front of the camera. Smurph now is completely out of the picture and all we see is Susan and her radient smile! Which is great for scrapbook material. I can at least cut out Guzzi's photo and use it. Sorry, Bob. I have other shots of you , don't worry LOL! If anyone has any photos, outakes, thoughts of Joni 2002 not 3. Please send them to: jody johnson 100 Greenleaf Ave. Portsmouth, NH 03801 Thanks so Much, jody xoxoxo - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: [NortheastJonifest] Help Me !!! > Anyone interested in working on the Jonifest '03 page for the JMDL site? In > order to create the Fest page, we need people who can: > > 1.) Select great photos > > 2.) Write funny or poignant or cute or clever captions > > 3.) Use modern technology (I can't help here!) to get the photos and captions > onto the JMDL site > > If you're interested in helping, please reply to the NE Jonifest group > (NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com) and we'll decide on division of labor, > deadlines, etc., and get to work. > > I think the Fest page is important because it helps attract new people to > Jonifest -- and you know how much we all like newbies! > > Thanks, > > --Bob > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Rent DVDs from home. > Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping > & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mk9osC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/9rHolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:48:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: blue article from october "uncut" magazine > The album opens with "All I Want", gentle brushes of acoustic guitar > > The acoustic shuffle of "Carey" After that things go > jaunty-ditty with travelogue ditty "California" (she went travelling > in 1970 to escape her newfound fame), the dancing guitar, > "River" blends into "A Case of You", the same broken love affairf > under the microscope, with an opening guitar figure Does this writer not know what a dulcimer is??? If I remember right, the Rolling Stone review of Blue also completely missed the fact that the dulcimer is the main accompaniment on these songs. Sheesh! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:02:17 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Me and My Uncle The expression on Joni's face when she sings: "Some say he's cheatin' ..." cracks me up every time. I found this on a Greatful Dead Site http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/MEANDMYU.HTM Doug Background The song was written by John Phillips of The Mamas And The Papas. According to the liner notes for his (solo) recording on "Phillips 66": John often used to tell the story behind "Me And My Uncle." Years ago he began receiving publishing royalties from a song on a Judy Collins record with which he was unfamiliar. It was titled "Me And My Uncle." He called Judy to let her know of the mistake because he hadn't written any such song. She laughed and told him that about a year before, in Arizona after one of her concerts, they had a 'Tequila' night back at the hotel with Stephen Stills, Neil Young and a few others. They were running a blank cassette and John proceeded to write "Me And My Uncle" on the spot. The next day, John woke up to the tequila sunrise with no recollection of the songwriting incident. Judy kept the cassette from that evening and then, without informing John, recorded the song for her own record. Over the years the song was recorded by several people, and eventually became a standard of the Grateful Dead. John used to joke that, little by little, with each royalty check, the memory of writing the song would come back to him. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:05:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 23 On October 23 the following articles were published: 1994: "A Darker Shade of Blue" - New York Newsday (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=226 1994: "Joni Mitchell" - Calgary Herald (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=59 1994: "Joni Mitchell looks at the darker side" - Detroit Free Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=971 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:05:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 23 1998: Joni performed in Minneapolis on the first night of her Fall tour with Bob Dylan. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981023.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainMinneapolis98.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:11:23 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Paz, you da man! (njc) Hunny! That was not a flicker I thought it was a major deal. He realized that we are not all just kneeling at the alter of Joni, but the real thing with a world beyond Joni that includes all kinds of music, food, laughter and love. You are blessed with a very special man that I think the world of and of course you are the crhme on top. Thanks for the nice comments and you know where your home in NO is. Love Paz P.S. Maggie you BEEN knowing! > Janine, I envy you your trip. Now, the next step is for you to come to the > next Jonifest in New England, where these sorts of revelations and > transporting experiences are yours 24/3 (or 4). > > Best, > Maggie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janine Sherman [mailto:sherman@netrax.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:04 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Paz, you da man! > > > Hello all, > My husband and I spent a luscious, long weekend in > N'awlins.There's a Latin > man who lives in the bayou who does not know a stranger. > Michael Paz met up > with us and offered us his special brand of hospitality. We > were whisked off > and directed to delectable dining spots, as well as serenaded with Joni > Mitchell tunes. He and his lovely wife sang a heartfelt > Chinese Cafe duet at > their gleaming baby grand. Next came the magic Parker VG8 that > made me believe > Joni 's fingers and spirit had been transported to that space > and time. It was > glorious. Throughout this whole exchange my Doubting Daniel of > a husband > actually showed a flicker of appreciation for Joni and her > alternate tunings. > In fact, he was so impressed and inspired by musically adept > Paz' generous > spirit and his devotion to Joni, I think he may attempt a few > of her songs on > his guitar or piano. Thanks, Paz, you 'da man! God Bless. > > Janine > > NP: World Turning- Lindsey Buckingham ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #527 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)