From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #524 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 524 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- IQ tests (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] mary gauthier NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni in a sitcom [ash ] Kate Bush and America [ash ] Re: Jonifest 03 [Steve Polifka ] Fw: IQ tests (njc) (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] RE: "Lakota" NJC ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: njc Julius ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! [Steve Polifka ] Re: question re: Me and My Uncle [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: IQ tests (njc) ["ron" ] RE: IQ tests for recruitment (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: question re: Me and My Uncle [Catherine McKay ] Re: question re: Me and My Uncle ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Joni in a sitcom [Catherine McKay ] RE: IQ tests (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: IQ tests (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: IQ tests for recruitment (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: IQ tests (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in a sitcom ["amelio747" ] RE: IQ tests (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: question re: Me and My Uncle [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: IQ tests (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: IQ tests (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Kate Bush and America njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Kate Bush and America njc ["amelio747" ] that Joni's pbs show.. again [Emiliano ] Re: Joni in a sitcom (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #521 [KWSmith53@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:27:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: IQ tests (njc) does anybody know how to interpret IQ tests scores? i had to take one on friday for a new job and i don't know what the scale is. how does a 135 score rate? they told me this number is estimated by the ratio of your IQ something to your age. i'm 42. do you think i'll be put in the sub-human category? well, if there are any educators or psychologists around that can tell me anything about this score, i'll be glad to hear from you. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:02:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: mary gauthier NJC i love mary gauthier! i have her first 2 records & like the 2nd one the best...i haven't gotten the latest yet...sugarcane must be on that one & now i'll have to get it soon! >one of the tracks on it is "sugarcane" by mary gauthier, which just = blows me away. kind of similar to lucinda williams sound, but smoother, = more melodic, and what a great voice!! i see shes got 3 albums out. before i rush out & order them - does = anyone have any comments/opinions on her? her cds arent available here = so i obviously cant listen first :-)< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:15:23 +1000 From: ash Subject: Joni in a sitcom From Tasmania...its Spring and its raining.!..I can see Noah and a new ark!! Last Friday night with my family in front of the TV 8.00pm on the ABC is ... My Family (2002) its about the antics of a late middle age couple and 3 kids starring Robert Lindsay (Hornblower) and Zoe Wanamaker (daughter of Sam) Its a 1/2 hour BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) sitcom..complete with canned laughter..but very funny. So kids are away for weekend...and the adults have house to themselves...so they have sex...lasts 5 mins (can I mention all this stuff??)...you don't see any of this, its just implied. So then they realise they are ALONE!!! and have to do things together...husband (a dentist) ...wants just to read the newspaper...while dizzy wife (London Tourist guide) wants to do stuff..outdoor stuff!!...they get into a bit of a disagreement...which leads to this...... the couple are in the sitting/living room Wife:THAT'S RICH !!!..from a man who stores his CD's in alphabetical order! husband: So......I don't waste time looking for them!! Wife: Don't you want the thrill of browsing along the shelves and coming across something unexpected? WAIT FOR IT !!!!! husband: No!!...not when its one of your bloody Joni Mitchell albums!! Wife:I Love Joni Mitchell..... Husband then points at bottom of CD shelf Husband: I made a special section here!!......for your albums (the Joni Mitchell ones) at the end of the alphabet...so I don't have to looked at them!! but they always seem to end up in MY section. Wife: Is that not part of being married? Husband: Yes the annoying part! Wife: Remember when we first merged our record collection? and then he goes on to complain about Steely Dan...why she had bought it? So is Joni a butt of British comedy??????? "ORF!..... with their heads!!!" Ash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:34:41 +1000 From: ash Subject: Kate Bush and America From Tasmania I know I saw someone mention Kate Bush!! Last month I picked up in a shop a Kate Bush cassette for $1 and tonight played it! its a live bootleg! its called Mystic Lady tracks are: Moving, Them Heavy People, Strange Phenomena, Hammer Horror, Don't Push Your Foot On The Hearbrake. Side 2: Wow, Feel It, Kite, James and The Cold Gun, Oh England My Lion Heart and Wuthering Heights about 50 mins and really rough...but enjoyable! its EMC 185 Eclipse and titeles controlled by AMCOS I don't endorse bootlegs...yaa da yaa da ya (is that how you spell it?) I checked out the fan site (not leaving any notes) and Google...but nothing Can anyone help? and I LURRRRRRVED Red Shoes!!!....someone said they hated it!....? ASh Oh and some old group called America are actually coming to Tasmania...will they find the place...I sort of joke? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:29:33 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Jonifest 03 LOL! Now I know what I'm going to do at Jonifest '04! Thanks, Mikley!!! Hugs at ya, Steve At 10:41 PM 10/17/2003 -0700, Michael Paz wrote: >Thanks David that one is so close to my heart that it is almost my own. Wait >till you get to Guzzi's Don't Know Why (which I got to play Cajon on- I >almost melted on the floor) > >Paz > >P.S. And of course Polifka could sing the yellow pages and it would be >resounding and stellar! > > > >> I heard some more great covers last night: >> >> Michael Paz - Chinese Cafe >> >> Ashara - Come in from the Cold, loved the background vocals supporting Ashara >> also. >> >> Steve Polifka - Dog Eat Dog. >> >> Great job. >> >> peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:21:50 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: IQ tests (njc) (for AOL members) Hi, Wally! I really diss IQ tests (though I know personnel departments love them): as I recall, every number over 100 means this person (who gets it) is better than the average. Or something alike. Don't trust me on this subject, either Yours: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: lunes, 20 de octubre de 2003 11:27 Asunto: IQ tests (njc) > does anybody know how to interpret IQ tests scores? i had to take one on > friday for a new job and i don't know what the scale is. how does a 135 > score rate? they told me this number is estimated by the ratio of your IQ > something to your age. i'm 42. do you think i'll be put in the sub-human > category? > well, if there are any educators or psychologists around that can tell me > anything about this score, i'll be glad to hear from you. > love, > wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:50:03 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: RE: "Lakota" NJC I enjoyed, understood and agreed with your concerns Kate. And the lakota site is very nice. Thanx. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:00:37 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: njc Julius Ah-ha! So, THAT'S where the lovely Julius has gone. Miss lurking on his posts. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:35 AM To: Kakki; Kate Bennett; Joni Digest Subject: Re: njc Julius NO Kakki you go and give us a report. Julius does not have time to post to us earthlings much anymore that he found love. Paz > Kate called out: > >> hey, julius where are you? > > He's getting ready to celebrate his birthday weekend at the Bridge School > concert with Neal Young and CS and N, Willie Nelson, Counting Crows and many > more!! > > Happy early birthday Julius! Have an incredible time and give us a report. > > Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:54:16 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! Dear Kate- I love Wolfsong- 2 years ago that was my fave CD and I was going through a bit of a trying time with some **&%$#@!+_?":>iron eyes cody sounds like he was a good man & did a lot for his >people...here is a website about him: http://www.ironeyescody.com/... i >found out he was cree-cherokee... > >on the lakota site (http://www.elexion.com/lakota/rites/index2.html) which i >posted a piece from already it says this: > >"When something is sacred, it does not have a price. I don't care if it is >white people talking about heaven or Indian people talking about ceremonies. >If you can buy it, it isn't sacred. And once you start to sell it, it >doesn't matter whether your reasons are good or not. You are taking what is >sacred and making it ordinary." > >the above is what they mean (in part) by exploitation...they go on to >describe all manner of ways they feel our modern culture has exploited their >spirituality... > >i have no doubts that joni had the best of intentions when she wrote her >song lakota & personally i don't think joni is exploiting the people (by >that i mean borrowing their words or ideas & using them for commercial >purposes) by writing a song from their point of view but i honestly have met >people who might see it differently... > >please don't shoot the messenger... > >in my own experience, throughout the years i have met many people from hopi, >lakota, navaho & chumash tribes...they are all very different in their views >(even within the same nation) & some are more accepting of 'white people' >learning their songs, dances & ceremonies than others are...i have been at >weddings & celebrations & have danced many times to their singing & >drumming....i studied native american spirituality with a woman who was an >elder (i think navajo) but who was also a university teacher with a phd >(quite unusual)... of native spirituality...some of my friends have spent >years studying & working on reservations with friends of native american >heritge...what i have learned is there are things & places where some (not >all) native americans are very very sensitive & adamant about concerning >their beliefs...& that they are not for entertainment or commercial purposes >especially if it is the white race doing so... > >when i wrote wolfsong it was from a very deep place & it was also directly >inspired by native american spirituality (to which i have been drawn like >iron to magnet for as long as i can remember...from very young >childhood)....way before it was ever a 'new age' kind of thing...(i even >asked my mom once if i might have native blood somehow back there & she said >no...lol) > >anyway there have been times & places where i have had to question whether >or not i should sing this song because i might offend someone who was a >native american for the reasons i have explained...so far no one has said >anything negative though i wonder if they would say something if they >thought it wrong, dunno....(although last month i was approached by a >chumash brother who asked if i'd like to play at a concert he was putting >together of both native american & other people to help them buy some land >to start a college of native american studies...) > >anyway it was with all of this experience in mind that i offered my question >about joni's song... > >>Reposting so it's clear to all that Joni Mitchell was not exploiting the >Lakota nation... >Lama< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:01:58 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Bob Dylan's Statement on Johnny Cash NJC Wow, Kate. Thanks for sharing this. I am a fan of both of these artists, but over the years I have often wondered if Bob had a heart (despite his beautiful songs of love...somehow these seemed like so much posturing). This gives some hope that Bob Dylan the man has more heart than I thought. These days I take my consolation and hope where ever I can find it. As for Johnny Cash - BD is right, of course, and he has a poet's way of expressing it. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Kate Bennett [mailto:kate@katebennett.com] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:02 PM To: Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: Bob Dylan's Statement on Johnny Cash NJC (i am so sad the joni only's won't see this....) Bob Dylan's Statement on Johnny Cash I was asked to give a statement on Johnny's passing and thought about writing a piece instead called "Cash Is King," because that is the way I really feel. In plain terms, Johnny was and is the North Star; you could guide your ship by him -- the greatest of the greats then and now. I first met him in '62 or '63 and saw him a lot in those years. Not so much recently, but in some kind of way he was with me more than people I see every day. There wasn't much music media in the early Sixties, and Sing Out! was the magazine covering all things folk in character. The editors had published a letter chastising me for the direction my music was going. Johnny wrote the magazine back an open letter telling the editors to shut up and let me sing, that I knew what I was doing. This was before I had ever met him, and the letter meant the world to me. I've kept the magazine to this day. Of course, I knew of him before he ever heard of me. In '55 or '56, "I Walk the Line" played all summer on the radio, and it was different than anything else you had ever heard. The record sounded like a voice from the middle of the earth. It was so powerful and moving. It was profound, and so was the tone of it, every line; deep and rich, awesome and mysterious all at once. "I Walk the Line" had a monumental presence and a certain type of majesty that was humbling. Even a simple line like "I find it very, very easy to be true" can take your measure. We can remember that and see how far we fall short of it. Johnny wrote thousands of lines like that. Truly he is what the land and country is all about, the heart and soul of it personified and what it means to be here; and he said it all in plain English. I think we can have recollections of him, but we can't define him any more than we can define a fountain of truth, light and beauty. If we want to know what it means to be mortal, we need look no further than the Man in Black. Blessed with a profound imagination, he used the gift to express all the various lost causes of the human soul. This is a miraculous and humbling thing. Listen to him, and he always brings you to your senses. 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It is a wonderful digital piano with a great feel. It also has a great sequencer and lots of versatility in audio recording and sampling. The specs are attached below. I am asking $1,800.00 for it with some computer programs that came with it and an instructional DVD to learn how to do all of the functions of the keyboard. Yamaha is offering a loyalty program that allows me to offer a full one year warranty on the keyboard (parts and labor) from the date of purchase from me to you. This is because I am going to upgrade to the more expensive Motif-8ES which of course is about a grand more money. I always like to keep on the cutting edge of keyboards because of my work locally. I would like to see this board go to a good home and hopefully a friend who can9t afford the latest greatest keyboard out there. These originally retailed for $3,495 and sold for $2,500. I will throw in some other incentives to the right person. Here are the specs below. Much more info on request. I wanted to offer this gem up to people I love first before I put an ad in the paper for some stranger to scoop. Best Paz Keyboard Type Keyboard (Motif-8) 88-Note (balanced Hammer Effect action) Sounds Tone Generator AWM2 Polyphony 62-Voice (element) Wave ROM 84MB (1309 waveforms) Voices 348 Preset (48 drumkits) 128 General MIDI (1 drumkit) 128 User (16 drumkits) Performances 128 User Plug-in Voices 64 Preset (for AN, PF, DX boards) 192 Preset for VL board 64 User per plug-in slot Master 128 Sampling Analog @ 44.1kHz, 16-bit linear, stereo Digital @ 48kHz, 16-bit linear, stereo Sample Memory 4MB standard, expandable to 64MB (SIMM) Arpeggiator & Sequencer Arpeggiator 256 Preset, 128 User (SRAM) Sequencer Song: 64 / 16 tracks Pattern: 64 / 16 tracks Capacity: 111,000 notes in volatile RAM Resolution: 480 clocks/quarter note Remote Control Cubase VST, Logic Audio, ProTools, Cakewalk Pro Audio Connections & Expandability External Storage SmartMedia card (up to 128MB) SCSI devices Zip, HD, CD-ROM Expandability 3 x Plug-in Board slots mLAN Board AIEB2 Multiple output + digital I/O ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:24:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: IQ tests for recruitment (njc) jenny, thanks for putting it so clearly! it all comes down to statistics. if there were people stupider than i, the HR interviewers might think i'm good for the job. i had never taken one of these tests before. it was in english, which i thought was pretty unfair, since doing all these analogies and verbal brainteasers in a foreign language might influence your score adversely. but most of the applicants for the post are americans (it is an international position in communications for a UN agency), so it would have been more unfair if the majority had had to do it in spanish. anyway, it's a long long long shot -- there are hundreds of applicants and the job has such great benefits that i'm not holding my breath. some of the questions were fun, though there were so many and i had such little time to go through them that i can't remember any. they should have tested my attention span! did any other jmdlers ever have to do IQ tests for a job? wally -----Mensaje original----- De: Jenny Goodspeed [mailto:jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com] Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Octubre de 2003 09:00 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz Asunto: Re: IQ tests (njc) Hi Wally, you smarty-pants. It depends on the test, but a standard way to report IQ scores is to set the average score (mean) for your age group at a 100 and set the standard deviation = to 15. So, 135 is over 2 standard deviations above the mean, which, assuming the scores spread out in a nice normal curve would mean that you are somewhere in the top 5% of the test population. "Genius" status is usually designated around 160 or the top 2% of the population. I'd love to see the average IQ of the JMDL, I bet it's way above average! take care! xo Jenny Wally Kairuz wrote: does anybody know how to interpret IQ tests scores? i had to take one on friday for a new job and i don't know what the scale is. how does a 135 score rate? they told me this number is estimated by the ratio of your IQ something to your age. i'm 42. do you think i'll be put in the sub-human category? well, if there are any educators or psychologists around that can tell me anything about this score, i'll be glad to hear from you. love, wally -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! 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Wanna play it at the next Jonifest? http://www.rukind.com/music/gdtunes/Myuncle.htm Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "To be The One" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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For me the segments on spelling and math were the most challenging. I am horrible at both, yet I know how to use a dictionary and calculator! Anyway, these are becoming more and more common, especially here in the states as the job market is saturated with unemployed workers. So many quality appications flood in that the employer can be fussy. The IQ or aptitude tests give a prospective employer info they require before wasting precious man hours on interviewing. You are correct, though, as it was unfair to test you in English. I don't suppose you have equal opportunity employment laws such as we do here? Sue, who will be substitute teaching tomorrow, god help me!!!!!! Murph, I am glad you are grown :-) ____________________________________________________________ Enter for a chance to win one year's supply of allergy relief! http://r.hotbot.com/r/lmt_clrtn/http://mocda3.com/1/c/563632/125699/307982/307982 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:32:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: question re: Me and My Uncle --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > "Me and My Uncle?" Or > is > this just an old cowboy tune that she covered?> > > Not her song, Mia...it was written by John Phillips. Joni would have called it, "My uncle and I", I think. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: IQ tests (njc) --- ron wrote: > that age stops being a > factor after the age of 18 when mental development > is supposed to stop. Feck. After 18, it's downhill all the way, and it's a helluva long hill and steep and rocky in some places too. Not to mention the snakes and the alligators one trips over on the way down. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:45:33 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: question re: Me and My Uncle <> Thanks for the tip Bob! And if I *ever* make it to Jonifest, I promise I will play this for you. I've been playing this one for fun, but with different chords than mentioned in the above website. I think Joni uses Aminor, C, and E7 chords, but I'll have to watch the video again to be sure, and to see if she really sings "left his dead-ass laying by the side of the road." I love watching how Joni's eyes light up when she gets to the surprise story line of the song! :) Mia _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in a sitcom --- ash wrote: > My Family (2002) its about the antics of a > late middle age couple and 3 kids > starring Robert Lindsay (Hornblower) and Zoe > Wanamaker (daughter of Sam) > ... > Wife: Don't you want the thrill of browsing along > the shelves and coming across something unexpected? > > > WAIT FOR IT !!!!! > > husband: No!!...not when its one of your bloody Joni > Mitchell albums!! > Wife:I Love Joni Mitchell..... > > Husband then points at bottom of CD shelf > > Husband: I made a special section here!!......for > your albums (the Joni Mitchell ones) at the end of > the alphabet...so I don't have to looked at them!! > but they always seem to end up in MY section. > Wife: Is that not part of being married? > Husband: Yes the annoying part! > > Wife: Remember when we first merged our record > collection? > > and then he goes on to complain about Steely > Dan...why she had bought it? > > So is Joni a butt of British comedy??????? > > "ORF!..... with their heads!!!" Joni is the butt of many a comedy. Most likely written by men who don't get it. Or women who do. It seems the only people who appreciate Joni are chicks, gay men and Phreaks such as yourself, Mr. Ash. Let's have a round for these Phreaks and these sailors, a round for these friends of mine. (When I say "Phreak" esp. with a "ph", I mean it as a good thing; also any mention of Joni, however negative it may appear to be, is likewise a good thing, based on the "There is no such thing as BAD publicity" theory.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:58:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: IQ tests (njc) i always knew i was a borderline case! you know, i thought that these tests were like the GRE or the GMAT and that they had a maximum score of 800! i was concerned about such a low number as 135. now i know that even if i don't get the job (please-god-let-me-get-this-job!!!), at least the person that recommended me for the post won't think that i'm a total imbecile. thanks for the information, ron. wally, whose mental development was inversely proportional to the growth of armpit hair ps: chrissie singing in the bleak midwinter???? my favorite xmas song in the world???? i gotta have this! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de ron > Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Octubre de 2003 05:21 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: IQ tests (njc) > > > hi wally > > > > does anybody know how to interpret IQ tests scores? i had to take one on > > friday for a new job and i don't know what the scale is. how does a 135 > > score rate? they told me this number is estimated by the ratio > of your IQ > > something to your age. i'm 42. do you think i'll be put in the sub-human > > category? > > according to this page: > > http://aceviper.net/official_iq_test.html > > What IQ scores represent, and what is your rank compared to your result > Average: 85 - 115 > Above average: 115 - 125 > Gifted Borderline Genius: 125 - 135 > Highly gifted and appearing to be a Genius to most others: 135 - 145 > Genius: 145 - 165 > High genius: 166 - 180 > Highest genius: 181 - 200 > Beyond being measurable genius: Over 200 > > this is obviously quite a simplification. there is another page which > explains that on an adult iq test, 100 is the average, and 135 > puts you into > the top two percent of all people. they also explain that age > stops being a > factor after the age of 18 when mental development is supposed to stop. > > so there we have it - if we go back to the thread of describing > yourself by > joni songs, wally, youre gonna haveta be out on some borderline :-) > > > > ron > np - blind boys of alabama with chrissie hynde & richard thompson - in the > bleak midwinter > ps - get this album - i think it has a 200+ iq & will forever > change the way > you think about xmas songs!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:00:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: IQ tests (njc) i know, cath love. and i was so dumb when i was 18 and that is supposed to have been the peak of my mental keenness... wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Octubre de 2003 06:36 p.m. > Para: ron; Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: IQ tests (njc) > > > --- ron wrote: > > that age stops being a > > factor after the age of 18 when mental development > > is supposed to stop. > > > Feck. After 18, it's downhill all the way, and it's a > helluva long hill and steep and rocky in some places > too. Not to mention the snakes and the alligators one > trips over on the way down. > > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:03:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: IQ tests for recruitment (njc) oh but we do, we do! everybody has equal opportunity to remain unemployed and become destitute. the rich never seek employment. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Suze > Cameron > Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Octubre de 2003 06:18 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: RE: IQ tests for recruitment (njc) > > > Wally, > > I don't suppose you have equal opportunity employment laws such > as we do here? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:59:48 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Kate Bush and America Yes that was me! Everything up to 'The Red Shoes' I enjoyed. I like "Moments Of Pleasure" but what the hell is going on with the rest of it and why all the guest spots? "And So Is Love" sends me to sleep (not in the good way). Anyway that track list you mentioned sounds great. If you haven't got 'Lionheart' you should! 'The Dreaming' is also first rate. When will this new album be ready? It's been about 10 years. NP: Crayon Angels - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ash" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Kate Bush and America > From Tasmania > > I know I saw someone mention Kate Bush!! > > Last month I picked up in a shop a Kate Bush cassette for $1 > > and tonight played it! > > its a live bootleg! > > its called Mystic Lady > > tracks are: Moving, Them Heavy People, Strange Phenomena, Hammer Horror, Don't Push Your Foot On The Hearbrake. Side 2: Wow, Feel It, Kite, James and The Cold Gun, Oh England My Lion Heart and Wuthering Heights > > about 50 mins and really rough...but enjoyable! > > its EMC 185 Eclipse and titeles controlled by AMCOS > > I don't endorse bootlegs...yaa da yaa da ya (is that how you spell it?) > > I checked out the fan site (not leaving any notes) and Google...but nothing > > > Can anyone help? > > and I LURRRRRRVED Red Shoes!!!....someone said they hated it!....? > > ASh > > > Oh and some old group called America are actually coming to Tasmania...will they find the place...I sort of joke? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: IQ tests (njc) --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i know, cath love. and i was so dumb when i was 18 > and that is supposed to > have been the peak of my mental keenness... > wally To add to the depression, isn't 18 when a man reaches his sexual peak? What is there to live for now? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:09:23 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Joni in a sitcom I must have missed that one! I like 'My Family' but everyone else thought it was naff. No Joni doesn't usually get a mention on British TV though I do remember a reference to BYT on 'Emmerdale' of all things! NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ash" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: Joni in a sitcom > From Tasmania...its Spring and its raining.!..I can see Noah and a new ark!! > > Last Friday night with my family in front of the TV > > 8.00pm on the ABC > is ... > My Family (2002) its about the antics of a > late middle age couple and 3 kids > starring Robert Lindsay (Hornblower) and Zoe Wanamaker (daughter of Sam) > > Its a 1/2 hour BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) sitcom..complete with canned laughter..but very funny. > > So kids are away for weekend...and the adults have house to themselves...so they have sex...lasts 5 mins (can I mention all this stuff??)...you don't see any of this, its just implied. > > So then they realise they are ALONE!!! > > and have to do things together...husband (a dentist) ...wants just to read the newspaper...while dizzy wife (London Tourist guide) wants to do stuff..outdoor stuff!!...they get into a bit of a disagreement...which leads to this...... > the couple are in the sitting/living room > > Wife:THAT'S RICH !!!..from a man who stores his CD's in alphabetical order! > husband: So......I don't waste time looking for them!! > Wife: Don't you want the thrill of browsing along the shelves and coming across something unexpected? > > > WAIT FOR IT !!!!! > > husband: No!!...not when its one of your bloody Joni Mitchell albums!! > Wife:I Love Joni Mitchell..... > > Husband then points at bottom of CD shelf > > Husband: I made a special section here!!......for your albums (the Joni Mitchell ones) at the end of the alphabet...so I don't have to looked at them!! > but they always seem to end up in MY section. > Wife: Is that not part of being married? > Husband: Yes the annoying part! > > Wife: Remember when we first merged our record collection? > > and then he goes on to complain about Steely Dan...why she had bought it? > > So is Joni a butt of British comedy??????? > > "ORF!..... with their heads!!!" > > Ash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:15:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: IQ tests (njc) discussion lists, dear. that and taking potshots at bob murphy. w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Octubre de 2003 07:09 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; ron; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: RE: IQ tests (njc) > > > --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > > i know, cath love. and i was so dumb when i was 18 > > and that is supposed to > > have been the peak of my mental keenness... > > wally > > To add to the depression, isn't 18 when a man reaches > his sexual peak? What is there to live for now? > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:17:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: question re: Me and My Uncle "but I'll have to watch the video again to be sure, and to see if she really sings "left his dead-ass laying by the side of the road." _____________ LOL! No, she doesn't sing that...she sings left him lyin' there...that's a transcription from a Grateful Dead version...like the Australian Wombat (aka John Low) stated, Me & My Uncle was in their live show a lot. And Judy Collins recorded it too, in 1964. I wonder if that's where Joni first heard it? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:27:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: IQ tests (njc) Catherine writes: >To add to the depression, isn't 18 when a man reaches >his sexual peak? What is there to live for now? That is just when most males are at the age when they get physically aroused so easily. Sexual satisfaction comes much later in life, so we still have *much* to live for. At least you women didn't have to put your school books in your lap to hide an obvious day dream :~) Jimmy, who hopes he never has to use tomato stakes and duct tape! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: IQ tests (njc) --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Catherine writes: > > >To add to the depression, isn't 18 when a man > reaches > >his sexual peak? What is there to live for now? > > That is just when most males are at the age when > they get physically aroused > so easily. Sexual satisfaction comes much later in > life, so we still have > *much* to live for. Ah yes - youth is wasted on the young. > Jimmy, who hopes he never has to use tomato stakes > and duct tape! Whoo - now there's a lurid image I'd rather do without! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:36:39 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate Bush and America njc In a message dated 20/10/2003 23:03:50 GMT Daylight Time, amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk writes: << Yes that was me! Everything up to 'The Red Shoes' I enjoyed. I like "Moments Of Pleasure" but what the hell is going on with the rest of it and why all the guest spots? "And So Is Love" sends me to sleep (not in the good way). >> Well Steve, I shall stand up and be counted as another Red Shoes fan. I will say that it is perhaps her least cohesive album, and the quality control is slightly awry on Eat the Music. Moments of Pleasure is of course unspeakably beautiful, and in a way describes the rest of the album. There are other songs I love too: Rubberband is enjoyably goofy, Top of The City is completely exhilarating (with some stunning bass playing from John Giblin, one of the album's stars); I even like Why Should I Love You: Prince, Lenny Henry, The Trio Bulgarka, Old Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all! And what about the last song, You're The One - is that not one of the most gut-wrenching, heartbreaking, heartbroken songs ever?? Erm, I'll shut up now. Azeem in London NP: Eat The Music (which isn't bad, but rather overdoes its none-too-subtle metaphor, and doesn't have enough of a tune. Still, it means Moments Of Pleasure are only moments away :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:37:29 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Kate Bush and America njc Hi Azeem, If I ever buy it again I will give it another spin as you do seem to know your music! NP: The Phoenix - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" ----- Original Message ----- From: AzeemAK@aol.com To: amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: Re: Kate Bush and America njc In a message dated 20/10/2003 23:03:50 GMT Daylight Time, amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk writes: << Yes that was me! Everything up to 'The Red Shoes' I enjoyed. I like "Moments Of Pleasure" but what the hell is going on with the rest of it and why all the guest spots? "And So Is Love" sends me to sleep (not in the good way). >> Well Steve, I shall stand up and be counted as another Red Shoes fan. I will say that it is perhaps her least cohesive album, and the quality control is slightly awry on Eat the Music. Moments of Pleasure is of course unspeakably beautiful, and in a way describes the rest of the album. There are other songs I love too: Rubberband is enjoyably goofy, Top of The City is completely exhilarating (with some stunning bass playing from John Giblin, one of the album's stars); I even like Why Should I Love You: Prince, Lenny Henry, The Trio Bulgarka, Old Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all! And what about the last song, You're The One - is that not one of the most gut-wrenching, heartbreaking, heartbroken songs ever?? Erm, I'll shut up now. Azeem in London NP: Eat The Music (which isn't bad, but rather overdoes its none-too-subtle metaphor, and doesn't have enough of a tune. Still, it means Moments Of Pleasure are only moments away :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:40:31 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: that Joni's pbs show.. again Hi, dears! I forgot to publicy say: one copy of this *great* show it's already in its way to "burnerless" Paul, in Khalif-ornia. Stay tuned: I will be offering some fantastic Joni content in near future! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:44:25 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni in a sitcom (NJC) On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 11:09 PM, amelio747 wrote: > I like 'My Family' but everyone else thought it was naff. I think it's great - and have set my TiVo to record every episode it finds. Heartily recommended - and I don't even think you need to be British to get the humour :) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:04:26 EDT From: KWSmith53@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #521 So sorry Maggie. I am I red Sox Fan also. Bucky (beeping) Dent, Bill (bleeping) Buckner and now Aaron (bleeping) Boone! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #524 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)