From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #523 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 523 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #522 - Anders film [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! ["Kate Bennett" ] short sharp socked reissue - slight joni mention ["ron" ] Re: short sharp socked reissue - slight joni mention [fauchja@comcast.net] Joni on OZ TV [ash ] NJC Tori Amos Yahoo group! ["amelio747" ] Re: felon voting rights (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] article on "blue" in october uncut ["ron" ] mary gauthier NJC ["ron" ] Re: article on "blue" in october uncut [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedi] pbs syncronicity njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Performance Photos are up NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC - What David Blaine said after 44 days in a box [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: Performance Photos are up NJC [Murphycopy@aol] Re: Performance Photos are up NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Performance Photos are up NJC [Catherine McKay Subject: RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! iron eyes cody sounds like he was a good man & did a lot for his people...here is a website about him: http://www.ironeyescody.com/... i found out he was cree-cherokee... on the lakota site (http://www.elexion.com/lakota/rites/index2.html) which i posted a piece from already it says this: "When something is sacred, it does not have a price. I don't care if it is white people talking about heaven or Indian people talking about ceremonies. If you can buy it, it isn't sacred. And once you start to sell it, it doesn't matter whether your reasons are good or not. You are taking what is sacred and making it ordinary." the above is what they mean (in part) by exploitation...they go on to describe all manner of ways they feel our modern culture has exploited their spirituality... i have no doubts that joni had the best of intentions when she wrote her song lakota & personally i don't think joni is exploiting the people (by that i mean borrowing their words or ideas & using them for commercial purposes) by writing a song from their point of view but i honestly have met people who might see it differently... please don't shoot the messenger... in my own experience, throughout the years i have met many people from hopi, lakota, navaho & chumash tribes...they are all very different in their views (even within the same nation) & some are more accepting of 'white people' learning their songs, dances & ceremonies than others are...i have been at weddings & celebrations & have danced many times to their singing & drumming....i studied native american spirituality with a woman who was an elder (i think navajo) but who was also a university teacher with a phd (quite unusual)... of native spirituality...some of my friends have spent years studying & working on reservations with friends of native american heritge...what i have learned is there are things & places where some (not all) native americans are very very sensitive & adamant about concerning their beliefs...& that they are not for entertainment or commercial purposes especially if it is the white race doing so... when i wrote wolfsong it was from a very deep place & it was also directly inspired by native american spirituality (to which i have been drawn like iron to magnet for as long as i can remember...from very young childhood)....way before it was ever a 'new age' kind of thing...(i even asked my mom once if i might have native blood somehow back there & she said no...lol) anyway there have been times & places where i have had to question whether or not i should sing this song because i might offend someone who was a native american for the reasons i have explained...so far no one has said anything negative though i wonder if they would say something if they thought it wrong, dunno....(although last month i was approached by a chumash brother who asked if i'd like to play at a concert he was putting together of both native american & other people to help them buy some land to start a college of native american studies...) anyway it was with all of this experience in mind that i offered my question about joni's song... >Reposting so it's clear to all that Joni Mitchell was not exploiting the Lakota nation... Lama< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:56:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: List Mania (NJC) >Paz P.S. Julius I wore my black pants(es) tonight and had a compliment from some sweet young thing at the bar. YOU know what I mean! LMAO! Happy Birthday Beeeeatch!< oh come on no fair...inquiring minds want to know! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:10:45 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: short sharp socked reissue - slight joni mention hi from the notes to michelle shocked's reissue of short sharp shocked: "I was in Norway, doing a record when I got a call that on my way back I should stop off in London and see this girl, who was causing quite a stir in England, called the Texas Campfire Tapes. Mercury was interested in doing a record with her, so they wanted me to stop off and see her. I went to this theatre in London, witnessing something I thought was quite amazing. Here was this young girl, probably 22, 23 years old at the time, in this small play house. It had three stage sets for her performance. She displayed this troubador skill that I hadnt seen sincer I was a teenager. It was somewhat of a lost art that I hadnt seen anyone pick up since watching Joni Mitchell, Tom Rush, Dave van Ronk, and spider John Koerner, folk performers I grew up listening to and seeing come up in Detroit................................Im very proud of it. Its the best record ive ever made. I hope you enjoy the reissue of Short Sharp shocked"" Pete Anderson - Producer of Short Sharp Shocked The Rolling Stones Reviewer called it bliss......... a +/- 40 minute album released with 80 minutes of wonderful bonus material - now that works for me ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:14:10 +0200 (CEST) From: dean2302@fsmail.net Subject: Re: Early Gems Wow! I didn't realise there were so many. Fo someone like me who has so little of her early work a 2CD compilation would be a Godsend. Thanks Bob. Message date : Oct 18 2003, 01:59 PM From : SCJoniGuy@aol.com To : dean2302@fsmail.net, joni@smoe.org Copy to : Subject : Re: Early Gems There's a mess of 'em, Kevin. I'm working on re-consolidating them onto 2 cd's...here's some titles: 1. Play Little David, Play 2. The Wizard Of Is 3. The Gift Of The Magi 4. The Way It Is 5. Day After Day 6. Dr. Junk 7. Brandy Eyes 8. Mr. Blue 9. Eastern Rain 10. Born To Take The Highway 11. Carnival In Kenora 12. Winter Lady 13. Just Like Me 14. Blue On Blue 15. Sugar Mountain 16. Come To The Sunshine 17. The London Bridge Song 18. Ballerina Valerie 1. Go Tell The Drummer Man 2. A Melody In Your Name 3. Looking Out For Love 4. Hunter 5. Get Together 6. Mr. Tambourine Man 7. I Still Miss Someone (w/Johnny Cash) 8. Yarrow 9. The Dolphin Song (w/Fred Neill) 10. The Long Black Veil (w/Johnny Cash) 11. Girl From The North Country (w/Johnny Cash) 12. Heard It Through The Grapevine 13. Itb€™s All Over Now, Baby Blue 14. Favorite Colour 15. Blow Away The Morning Dew 16. Me & My Uncle Maybe I'll do it this weekend, except for it's such a beautiful day here, even raking leaves will be pleasurable! Bob NP: Rachel Z Trio, "Ladies Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:40:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc Felon voting rights there has been lots of action & the info has been posted here & elsewhere if you are interested...check out the aclu, naacp or http://www.usccr.gov/ (& read the section called Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election...) >In the absence of action like that, I'm thinking it's an urban myth. After all, if it happened, the black community would mobilize the resources, alert the media, and fix it, right? Lama< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:09:54 +0000 From: fauchja@comcast.net Subject: Re: short sharp socked reissue - slight joni mention me too. it is wonderful - -- GUITAR GUY EXTRAORDINAIRE > hi > > from the notes to michelle shocked's reissue of short sharp shocked: > > "I was in Norway, doing a record when I got a call that on my way back I > should stop off in London and see this girl, who was causing quite a stir in > England, called the Texas Campfire Tapes. Mercury was interested in doing a > record with her, so they wanted me to stop off and see her. I went to this > theatre in London, witnessing something I thought was quite amazing. Here was > this young girl, probably 22, 23 years old at the time, in this small play > house. It had three stage sets for her performance. She displayed this > troubador skill that I hadnt seen sincer I was a teenager. It was somewhat of > a lost art that I hadnt seen anyone pick up since watching Joni Mitchell, Tom > Rush, Dave van Ronk, and spider John Koerner, folk performers I grew up > listening to and seeing come up in Detroit................................Im > very proud of it. Its the best record ive ever made. I hope you enjoy the > reissue of Short Sharp shocked"" > > Pete Anderson - Producer of Short Sharp Shocked > > > The Rolling Stones Reviewer called it bliss......... > > a +/- 40 minute album released with 80 minutes of wonderful bonus material - > now that works for me > > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:10:08 +1000 From: ash Subject: Joni on OZ TV > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:55:27 +1000 > From: "Don Whiteman" > Subject: Re: Joni on Tasmanian TV > > Hey Ash, > > I will get someone in my house to tape it in case it isn't. I will be in > western NSW working. > My 15 yr old daughter, who is a Joni fan bought Woman of Heart and Mind for > my birthday last Friday. It is very cool. > I am taking her to see Neil Young on Nov 21 in Sydney. This will be her > first Neil concert, my 6th. Can't wait. > > Don in Sydney > Dear Don Happy belated birthday wishes.. I have 2 video recorders set up! but as ever at this time of the year...we have the wild weather and that effects the television transmitters here! i.e. all you get is a blue screen with NO sound. The weather never effects the commercial TV stations broadcasts! so by next week..I will be constantly checking weather reports for the Friday! Ash ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:29:32 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: NJC Tori Amos Yahoo group! Hi if anyone like Tori Amos, you can join my new Yahoo group in support of her new best of album. I have 70 members now! Tales Of Tori http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/talesoftori NP: Spark - Tori ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:01:31 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: felon voting rights (NJC) Ron asked: > yes or no - are you a democracy or not? The answer is no, we are not a democracy. The USA is a republic, which means that, rather than adhering to true majority rule, we elect representatives (and senators and a president, etc.) who make laws for us. From the "Pledge of Allegiance" that most young Americans had to recite every morning of our public (and probably also private) school lives: "I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands ..." etc. That the US is a republic is one of the reasons, I guess, why Republicans think that they are mostly right and that Democrats are mostly wrong. Lori, on digest these days but unable to completely stay away : ) ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:35:55 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: article on "blue" in october uncut hi just picked up the october edition of uncut. this months all time classic album is - obviously - blue. quite an interesting article - would it be worth my time to transcribe & post?? they also have a review of emmylou's latest - its rated 5 star and proclaimed as album of the month!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:03:52 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: mary gauthier NJC hi i recently got a free sampler from village records - one of the reasons = i buy from them :-) .(the other reason is no import duty and VAT cause - they send it in a plain brown envelope heh heh,,,,,) one of the tracks on it is "sugarcane" by mary gauthier, which just = blows me away. kind of similar to lucinda williams sound, but smoother, = more melodic, and what a great voice!! i see shes got 3 albums out. before i rush out & order them - does = anyone have any comments/opinions on her? her cds arent available here = so i obviously cant listen first :-) ron np - mary gauthier - sugarcane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:07:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: article on "blue" in october uncut "quite an interesting article - would it be worth my time to transcribe & post??" - ------------------------------------------------------------- That's a question that only you can answer, roomie, but I CAN assure you that I'll read it and appreciate the effort, and Les can add it to his article database! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:07:21 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: "Lakota" i hope this is still jc if not sorry! Kate, Okay, NOW I see what you're saying. Here's my idea of exploitation. There's sacred and then there's secular. Joni did not take a sacred Lakota song and add words to it. That would have been sacriligous and exploitative. As if writing a news story, she wrote of their plight. That's secular. If you write a song about a man building a house and he happens to be Catholic, it's not automatically exploitation. It's not offensive; it's okay cause it's a secular song about a person who also has a religous dimension. The religous is not a component of the song. If I someone Handel's Messiah and grafted on a bawdy lyric, that would be exploitation of a (somewhat) sacred work, in my opinion. Maybe some Lakota want others to never speak of the tribe, never describe their struggle, never try to help them, lest they be accused of exploitation. I think it's possible just as there are some extremists among Baptists, Muslims, and Protestants. "You're acting like TOURISTS, man!!" Lama > From: Kate Bennett [mailto:kate@katebennett.com] > on the lakota site > (http://www.elexion.com/lakota/rites/index2.html) which i > posted a piece from already it says this: > > "When something is sacred, it does not have a price. I don't care if it is > white people talking about heaven or Indian people talking about > ceremonies. > If you can buy it, it isn't sacred. And once you start to sell it, it > doesn't matter whether your reasons are good or not. You are > taking what is > sacred and making it ordinary." > > the above is what they mean (in part) by exploitation...they go on to > describe all manner of ways they feel our modern culture has > exploited their > spirituality... > > i have no doubts that joni had the best of intentions when she wrote her > song lakota & personally i don't think joni is exploiting the people (by > that i mean borrowing their words or ideas & using them for commercial > purposes) by writing a song from their point of view but i > honestly have met > people who might see it differently... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:56:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: pbs syncronicity njc after writing my rant on addiction as a disease i turned on the tv & caught some of the show called 'now with bill moyers' where his guest was republican senator ramstand (minn) who has authored legislation to bring health insurance parity to substance abuse treatment since it has been officially considered a disease by the AMA for decades now...senator ramstand: "chemical addiction, because it is a disease, should be treated just like any other disease, any other physical disease." i don't know if there will be a rebroadcast but there is more info at http://www.pbs.org/now/society/heartact.html then on frontline (what amazing investigative work they do & the people they interview) called 'chasing the sleeper cell' 'profiles of the alleged terrorist group and their recruiters, and a chronology of the investigation...interviews with an alleged 'terrorist', mueller, ridge & others...eye opening as far as the in depth story vs the bush administration sound bytes http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sleeper/ ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:56:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Performance Photos are up NJC Months ago, I said I had posted all of my pictures from JoniFest 2003. But as Master Yoda observed oh so long ago, "No! There is another!" When I had the photos printed of the TALL STACKS MUSIC & HERITAGE FESTIVAL, lo, the group photo was at the beginning. The full-sized one is accessible at http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26 There's a newly-discovered one of Muller at the Welcome Gathering too. That's it. Just two new ones and they're both on my first page. All the best, Lama -----Original Message----- From: FMYFL@aol.com [mailto:FMYFL@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:56 PM To: jlamadoo@fuse.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Performance Photos are up NJC Great shots Lama. I knew you'd come through with the performances. Question............WHERE IS THE GROUP PHOTO??? Please don't tell me it didn't turn out, or are you saving that for a special occasion? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Fri_Group_photo_2003_email_size.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:58:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] RE: Performance Photos are up NJC hmm, anyone notice how happy susan & smurph look standing so close together?! [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Fri_Group_photo_2003_email_size.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:52:59 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Performance Photos are up NJC In a message dated 10/19/2003 5:59:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: >Months ago, I said I had posted all of my pictures from JoniFest 2003. But >as Master Yoda observed oh so long ago, >No! There is another!" YIPPEE LAMA!!!! I knew you could find the *only* group photo of Jonifest 2003. I'm tired of seeing the partial group photo on the main page from Jonifest 2000. It seems we're always jinxed when it comes to group photos. Thank You Thank You Thank You!!!! Maybe now I'll post my personal favorite photo of Guzzi and Ed (Lords of the Rings) :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:58:26 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: Performance Photos are up NJC In a message dated 10/19/2003 6:50:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: >hmm, anyone notice how happy susan & smurph look standing so close >together?! Yep Kate, this was right prior to the egg fertilization ritual. Guzzi's eggs and Murphy's little guys were ripe and ready :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: mary gauthier NJC Hi Ron - I've only heard Drag Queens and Limousines (the album that first got her some attention). She's great songwriter. You can take a listen to some cuts from all her albums on her website: http://www.marygauthier.com/listen.html Jenny ron wrote: hi i recently got a free sampler from village records - one of the reasons = i buy from them :-) .(the other reason is no import duty and VAT cause - they send it in a plain brown envelope heh heh,,,,,) one of the tracks on it is "sugarcane" by mary gauthier, which just = blows me away. kind of similar to lucinda williams sound, but smoother, = more melodic, and what a great voice!! i see shes got 3 albums out. before i rush out & order them - does = anyone have any comments/opinions on her? her cds arent available here = so i obviously cant listen first :-) ron np - mary gauthier - sugarcane - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:42:25 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC - What David Blaine said after 44 days in a box ground and, despite intermittent smiles seemed tired and emotional. His relief at completing his challenge was palpable. As the door to the box opened, Blaine wept uncontrollably. His first words were, "This has been one of the most important experiences of my life". He then broke down again. Supported by members of his team, Blaine then addressed the crowd. "I've learned more in that little box than I have in years. I learned how important it is to have a sense of humour and to laugh at everything because nothing makes any sense anyway". "I've learned how strong we all are as human beings. How strong we all are. "But most importantly I've learned to appreciate all the simple things in life - a sunrise, a sunset, a smile from a strange one, a smile from a loved one and I thank you all so much. I love you all so much. I love you". ground and, despite intermittent smiles seemed tired and emotional. His relief at completing his challenge was palpable. As the door to the box opened, Blaine wept uncontrollably. His first words were, "This has been one of the most important experiences of my life". He then broke down again. Supported by members of his team, Blaine then addressed the crowd. "I've learned more in that little box than I have in years. I learned how important it is to have a sense of humour and to laugh at everything because nothing makes any sense anyway". "I've learned how strong we all are as human beings. How strong we all are. "But most importantly I've learned to appreciate all the simple things in life - a sunrise, a sunset, a smile from a strange one, a smile from a loved one and I thank you all so much. I love you all so much. I love you". Now me: He could have learned all that in five days or less at a Jonifest! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:49:47 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: Performance Photos are up NJC Kate writes: << hmm, anyone notice how happy susan & smurph look standing so close together?! >> Memories . . . like the corners of my mind . . . misty watercolor memories . . . of the way we were . . . What a great shot, Jim! Thanks and congratulations. I think I look fabulous, so either you're a very gifted photographer, or that's the effect of all that clean Catskills air (between cigs) and our wholesome Jonifest activites! I was very happy to be standing next to Guzzi and to be with all of you. (Sigh.) Just ten more months to go . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:18:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Performance Photos are up NJC "There's a newly-discovered one of Muller " Funny caption too, Jim...good job. I have a long way to go though to beat the 118-hits of my neighbor Miranda! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:58:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Performance Photos are up NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > "There's a newly-discovered one of Muller " > > > Funny caption too, Jim...good job. I have a long way > to go though to beat the > 118-hits of my neighbor Miranda! > > Bob OK, everyone. Go to this URL now and click on the photo. Let's make Muller Number One! (You only have 105 hits or so to beat Miranda!) http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26/Muller_and_Ashara ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:27:41 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 20 On October 20 the following articles were published: 2001: "Atwood, Mitchell on Walk of Fame" - Toronto Star (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=687 2001: "Rodin Thinkers to the Rom: We think not, thank you" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=686 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #523 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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