From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #516 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 516 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc Felon voting rights ["kakki" ] Re: Felon voting rights - now a deliberation on michael moore an d his ilk njc ["Ross, Les" ] Re: It'all over now baby blue [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni on Tasmanian TV [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] october 14!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: njc Felon voting rights [Jerry Notaro ] Fw: october 14!!! njc (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Re: do you remember me?? NJC ["ron" ] October14th! njc [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] njc question about emails ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] RE: october 14!!! njc ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: njc question about emails [FMYFL@aol.com] Fw: njc question about emails (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Re: Joni vs Linda [] Re: njc question about emails [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: njc question about emails ["amelio747" ] Re: njc question about emails [Chris Marshall ] Re: njc question about emails [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: njc question about emails [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] njc ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Fw: rickie's new album njc (for AOL members) [frasere@intergate.ca] wodehouse njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today's Library Links: October 15 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:11:17 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: njc Felon voting rights Azeem wrote: > There is probably no point in continuing this correspondence Kakki, as we > will never agree. Whatever any of us says, someone somewhere will have written > something that purports to refute it. OK - I'm trying to be fair and so just spent an hour searching the net for more information on the allegations set forth by Palast. While I found some vague discussions regarding restoring voting rights for felons in Florida and other states and vague (no statistics or findings of fact) discussions about errors in purging the voter rolls in Florida, I did not find any independent statistics from any other source that conformed with Palast's. Maybe I need to search several more hours but one would think something so egregious would be thoroughly documented and found easily. I'm willing to accept some errors were made but if it came down the way he purports with DBT/Choicepoint deliberately using dubious methods and not checking their work, something is really screwy. Choicepoint is a major database used by law firms across the U.S. I spent several hours in a training session with them just this year. They are considered the platinum standard for accuracy. Also, it's hard to believe the Florida state databases on criminal records could be so screwed up (how does law enforcement and lawyers and courts function down there with such inaccuracies?) It's just hard to believe, but anything is possible, I suppose. If everything he said is true, then there are huge problems in Florida that are simply beyond my comprehension to understand. > You talk about "one of the lies" from palast Moore, implying that there are > several, while saying that you "don't believe" most of the article. Fine, you > don't believe it, you don't say why (my personal take is that you don't want to > believe it), but I'm afraid that doesn't make it a lie. I don't know who this Palast is but I've now read two articles from him here in the past week that contain glaring inaccuracies so I guess I have a prejudice going in. In the article regarding Arnold the other day (which was dated last week) he went on about the citizens lawsuit against the energy suppliers and implied Arnold would try to get rid of that lawsuit once in office for his buddies at Enron (which I still find laughable). A quick net search revealed that lawsuit was thrown out of court last March. So forgive me for being skeptical but he is 0-2 with me at this point. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:39:28 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Felon voting rights - now a deliberation on michael moore an d his ilk njc Here's the quote from the Palast article: >If you commit a felony in Florida, you lose your right to vote there, >and you're "scrubbed" from the rolls. >You become a non-citizen, like in the old Soviet Union. >This is not the case in most other states; >it's an uncivilized vestige of the Deep >South. >Does this not make it sound to the uninformed reader from another country that Florida is unique in banning felons from voting? >It is horribly slanted and does not contain all the true information regarding other >states. Well I think this gets to the heart of why we find people like michael moore presenting programmes, films and articles in the manner that he he does. Neither side of the political divide has cornered the market in biase or slant. *the uninformed* reader / viewer, through the mass media, finds that those in a position to do so, crowd the medium with snapshot images and bites of memorable (dis)information to serve their own ends. To stress my point, neither side is above this kind of manipulation. The balanced view on this and many other topics requires deeper reading and research that very few find either the time or inclination to pursue. A situation not entirely disconnected from and wilfully influenced by mass distraction via advertising, economic servitude and probably many other factors. This is my suspicion and garnered only through exposure to these influences. (just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they ain't out to get ya!...or however the dumb epithet goes.) I've enjoyed the work and articles produced by michael moore but am not so far absorbed by them to assume them to be other than his own purpose driven agenda. But that just makes him no better or worse than those serving the opposing arguments. Each time I watch something or read something by him, I'm left in no doubt that I'm being pushed in one direction. A direction I'm inclined to be moving in anyway. But the effect of his delivery is to make me doubt him substantially. Recent extracts from his work in the UK newspaper The Guardian (The Grauniad..UK in-joke) made him sound hysterical and taxed credulity. So where do the uninformed go to get good snap-shot, sound-bite unbiased unslanted information? I dunno, I need a coffee. Les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:02:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: education for illegal immigrants njc (from our earlier recall discussion) >What I was concerned about was talk of paying completely for their university educations.< well that was the original idea you mentioned which made no sense to me given what i knew about our state education system...so i went looking & could find nothing except what i have recently posted concerning non citizens being allowed to pay state tuition...perhaps it was about allowing non citizens to receive eops funds? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:03:40 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: education for illegal immigrants njc (from our earlier recall discussion) Kate wrote: > well that was the original idea you mentioned which made no sense to me > given what i knew about our state education system... The idea made no sense to me either! LOL But I'd heard so much ranting about it on the news and around and was already being amazed by some of the other stuff happening in the legislature that I thought maybe it was true! Thanks for clarifying the issue, Kate, and next time just tell me I'm WRONG ;-) >so i went looking & could find nothing except what i have recently posted >concerning non citizens being allowed to pay state tuition...perhaps it was about >allowing non citizens to receive eops funds? If that is the real issue, I have no problem with it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:02:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: njc Felon voting rights >I know for a fact that *most* states ban felons from voting and it doesn't matter to which degree, whether still in prison, on parole, forever, etc. < felons not being allowed to vote for life is so inhumane...many drug addicts are arrested on felony charges but the medical community considers addiction a disease...fortunately california has more humane drug laws at present (which allows avoiding a felony charge in certain circumstances) back to what happened in florida: "The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights approved a report Friday that suggests blacks disproportionately had their ballots discounted in Florida's elections, leading to widespread violations of the Voting Rights Act....It said thousands of Floridians, especially black voters, were deprived of their votes by outdated equipment, improper purging of voter rolls and inadequate access to voting booths...The report is harshly critical of state officials, including Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/06/08/politics/main295656.shtml ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:32:36 +0000 From: "vincenzo mancini" Subject: It'all over now baby blue Hi all, since I'm not a subscriber of "The wanderer" (the JM guitar discussion list), I'm taking a little piece of the jmdl to spread this it's great to have a "brand new" song to play! IT'S ALL OVER NOW BABY BLUE (from "The complete Geffen recordings" boxset) tuning: DAEGAD (Joni notation D77325), the same tuning of Hejira, Night ride home, Slouching Chords: (bottom to the top) I 00011/12/12/0 II 0002/2/2 (0h2 means hammer on-see the intro) III 779977 IV 007999 V 557755 Intro I/II (000/0h2/22) (2 times) III IV II You better leave now, take what you need, the past is past III IV II Whatever you want to keep, you better grab it fast V II Over there's your orphan with her gun V I Crying like a fire in the sun IV III Look out the saints are coming through V III I Oh, and it's all over now, baby blue the same applies to the other three stanzas The outro is just as the intro It's just my 2 cents to the gorgeous guitar data base on jmdl.com from where I learned so much I'm sure the king of covers (Hi Bob, maybe my message of Sept. 23 didn't reach you) knows yet that David Sanborn covered "Man from Mars" in his latest cd May your skies be blue, Vincenzo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:31:50 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Felon voting rights In a message dated 14/10/2003 03:59:38 GMT Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: << I know for a fact that *most* states ban felons from voting and it doesn't matter to which degree, whether still in prison, on parole, forever, etc. The Palast article does not make those distinctions and gives the impression that Florida is almost alone in purging felons from the voting rolls due to as they say some "uncivilized vestige of the Deep South." This is so inflammatory and hateful. It is not true. >> This does not change my view one jot, Kakki. Is it, or is it not true, that << Felons are barred for life from voting in 14 states, a prohibition that can be waived only through a gubernatorial pardon or some other form of clemency. >> And does this, or does this not, mean that about three quarters of US states *do* allow convicted criminals to vote?? I believe that you are being drawn into the same partial interpretation that you accuse Palast of by writing him off as a liar. Some people will agree with your interpretation of the stats you post from the Washington Post; others will not. My point is very simple: to state that Palast is lying on this point is untenable. As for "hateful", well, OK, that's your opinion. I've already acknowledged that whatever he says, someone somewhere will come up with something that disputes it. Hell, I've seen the sort of stuff that gets reported as fact on Newsmax.com, and it scares me! By the same token, Palast, Moore, Al Franken and others will always be around to pick holes in the arguments and propositions that those from the right put. Incidentally, as you were wondering about why you haven't read about the stuff Greg Palast is reporting anywhere else, I would suggest that it's because he's an investigative reporter, who specialises in digging that little bit deeper than the vast, vast majority of journalists, whichever side of the political fence they happen to lounging around on. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:50:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: october 14!!! njc H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y MAGGIE!!!!!!! i will always succumb to your beauty (and obey your orders when i am on kitchen duty) may we long chop veggies together! i love you, wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:53:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: It'all over now baby blue Hi Vincenzo! Yes, I recall your message and I distinctly remember answering it as well...so it must have been *my* message that didn't reach *you*. In any regard, yes I got that Sanborn as soon as it came out and it's very nice. Sanborn is a fine middle of the road player, nothing too adventurous, but he gets top points from me for covering a TTT song. This track will be included on "Covers Volume 46" which will be our Joni tribute release for November. Bob NP: The Miracles, "Love Machine (Part 1)" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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ROSIE IN NJ[Unable to display image] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/x-art which had a name of Untitled01] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:05:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc Felon voting rights On 10/14/03 3:11 AM, "kakki" wrote: > > OK - I'm trying to be fair and so just spent an hour searching the net for > more information on the allegations set forth by Palast. While I found some > vague discussions regarding restoring voting rights for felons in Florida > and other states and vague (no statistics or findings of fact) discussions > about errors in purging the voter rolls in Florida, I did not find any > independent statistics from any other source that conformed with Palast's. > Maybe I need to search several more hours but one would think something so > egregious would be thoroughly documented and found easily. I'm willing to > accept some errors were made but if it came down the way he purports with > DBT/Choicepoint deliberately using dubious methods and not checking their > work, something is really screwy. Choicepoint is a major database used by > law firms across the U.S. I spent several hours in a training session with > them just this year. They are considered the platinum standard for > accuracy. Also, it's hard to believe the Florida state databases on > criminal records could be so screwed up (how does law enforcement and > lawyers and courts function down there with such inaccuracies?) It's just > hard to believe, but anything is possible, I suppose. If everything he said > is true, then there are huge problems in Florida that are simply beyond my > comprehension to understand. Living in California, I'm sure you comprehend a state that has huge problems. Here are some other sources, including ABC News, the Miami Herald, and that bastion of left wing philosophy, The Christian Science Monitor: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/floridafelonvote_010321.html http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/6379430.htm http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/12/14/fp11s1-csm.shtml Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:13 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: october 14!!! njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Maggie McNally" ; "JMDL" ; "Northeastjonifest@Yahoogroups. Com" Enviado: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 13:50 Asunto: october 14!!! njc > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > MAGGIE!!!!!!! > > i will always succumb to your beauty > (and obey your orders when i am on kitchen duty) > may we long chop veggies together! > > i love you, > wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:05:43 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Miranda: more than 70 hits?! Lama-rama wrote: http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album26&id=FR_Miranda_Welcome_Gathering_Lama_Kiron That's more than ten TIMES the number of people who wanted to see my placid pond picture! donna responded: Gee Lama, I think maybe you were taking pictures of the pond at the wrong time of day! IMHO the pond was anything BUT placid! and i should know! ha ha love db This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:14:19 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] october 14!!! njc Happy Birthday Maggie! Have a great day! love db >>> wallykai@fibertel.com.ar 10/14/2003 6:50:00 AM >>> H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y MAGGIE!!!!!!! i will always succumb to your beauty (and obey your orders when i am on kitchen duty) may we long chop veggies together! i love you, wally - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor - ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/9rHolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:07:20 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Jaco and Joni hi >>>>>bobsart wrote >>>>do you get the feeling that Jaco's role was underappreciated or overappreciated ? For example, among the Joni non-jazz lovers who came to like these records over time, is this collaboration seen mostly as Joni's good taste and artsmanship coming to the fore, by spotting Jaco and adopting him ? Whereas to the alternate jazz aficionados, do you think these records were seen more as Joni taking a ride on the Jaco coaster, enhancing her reputation by claiming turf in an area where she had no real right to make a toehold, much less claim land ?<<<<<<<< interesting question bob. since im a rabid s&l fan, id love to comment. i would like to tell myself i see it as being two like minds working together. two greats, in harmony. when i first started listening to the album, i was not at all familiar with either of them. the first part of the music to get to me was the lyrics, (esp god must be a boogie man - i was feeling very shattered and confused at that stage of my life & it was just so amazing to hear it described so well), followed by joni's voice, then jaco's bass. today, i listen to joni's non-jaco work a lot, but dont really listen to any of jaco's non joni work. but i do think that joni's work with jaco is my most treasured of her work. so, (now getting myuself thoroughly tied up) i guess they brought out the best in each other, but i prefer joni on her own to jaco on his own, or is it just that jaco's other stuff is a bit too out there for me to appreciate it, & i prefer it toned down a bit when he worked with joni - probably the latter i think. thanks for the question - i really enjoyed it - and found my answer changing quite a few times as i thought more about it & got more honest with myself :-) >>>>>Bobsart (still blown away every time he watches the Shadows and Light DVD by the quality of the musicianship)<<<< i havent seen the dvd yet - but s&l is definitely my all time favourite album - & definitely the joni album which gets the most airplay. ron np - arlo guthrie - grocery blues ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:14:46 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: do you remember me?? NJC hi marilyn marilyn wrote > do you remember me?? I'm Marilyn who went to 2 jonifests in MA. Haven't been able to go to NY because of health problems. Now I'm in rehab with oxygen 24/7 & waiting to have open heart surgery for a birth defect. nope - sorry - dont ring a bell at all - probably 'cause i wasnt at the fests :-) anyhow - id just like to say hi & mention my boss who just underwent open heart surgery (there was a lot of speculation as to whether he really had a heart at all :-) in early august - also for a birth defect - he had a large hole in his heart. he was back home within 4days!!!! it took him about 4 weeks to get back to work, and he is doing great now - back at gym, terrorising us at work, etc. so it looks to me like this heart surgery thing is pretty well sorted & under control these days!!! all the best for the op & let us know how it goes ron np - arlo guthrie - manzanillo bay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:00:32 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: October14th! njc Have a wonderful "Birthday" Maggie! Can't wait till next Joni Fest to see how much raffle money you can suck out of me~) Love from, David&David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:49:33 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: njc question about emails Friends, I have to ask this. For the past few months 50%-75% of my email is concerned with whether I can get it up and if I can, is it big enough once I get it up. Is there some horrible rumor going around about me , are people just concerned with my well being in a kindly way, or are other people getting these same emails? It is incredibly annoying. It hasn't reached the total annoyance stage yet, defined as seeing G W Bush on tv, but it is rising to that level. Vince NPIMH: David Letterman: "It is official. Florida is not the dumbest state in the Union any more." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:14:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc question about emails dear vince, same here. first thing i do when i open my mail every day is delete about 1,000 messages concerning my anatomy, virility and potential enjoyment of barnyard sex. sp*m here, sp*m there, sp*am everywhere and not a inch bigger... wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Lavieri, Vince [185776] > Enviado el: Martes, 14 de Octubre de 2003 05:50 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: njc question about emails > > > Friends, I have to ask this. > > For the past few months 50%-75% of my email is concerned > with whether I can get it up and if I can, is it big > enough once I get it up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:44:04 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: october 14!!! njc Wally, thank you for the wishes, you beautiful creature, you. Thank you, too, to those who have added your good thoughts. I had the pleasure to be in the company of Jody and Scott and Mags and Smurph and Ashara and Stephen on Friday and I thought, ah yes, my life is so much richer for your presence. Now I must go and complete the celebration with a Red Sox win and music and the man I love. love and peace, Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Wally Kairuz [mailto:wallykai@fibertel.com.ar] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:50 AM To: Maggie McNally; JMDL; Northeastjonifest@Yahoogroups. Com Subject: october 14!!! njc H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y MAGGIE!!!!!!! i will always succumb to your beauty (and obey your orders when i am on kitchen duty) may we long chop veggies together! i love you, wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:50:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: njc question about emails Bishop Vince writes: 50%-75% of my email is concerned with whether I can get it up and if I can, is it big enough once I get it up. No Vince, it's not you personally. It's "National Clergy Month", and you have to stay out of those chat rooms! Just kidding Vinnie :~) Paz gets those emails constantly, and they're from his friends. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:19 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: njc question about emails (for AOL members) Uffff, dears, I'm safe at this e-mail addy (so far): I only receive information about painters (including auctions, ja!) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ; Enviado: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 23:14 Asunto: RE: njc question about emails > dear vince, > > same here. first thing i do when i open my mail every day is delete about > 1,000 messages concerning my anatomy, virility and potential enjoyment of > barnyard sex. > sp*m here, sp*m there, sp*am everywhere and not a inch bigger... > wally > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > Lavieri, Vince [185776] > > Enviado el: Martes, 14 de Octubre de 2003 05:50 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: njc question about emails > > > > > > Friends, I have to ask this. > > > > For the past few months 50%-75% of my email is concerned > > with whether I can get it up and if I can, is it big > > enough once I get it up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:37:34 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: njc question about emails I get the same emails. They are completely irrelevant to me, last time I looked. Same with the baldness remedies. Seriously, I think you get spammed simply by virtue of posting to JMDL and other discussion lists. Our discussions are archived on the web, which means that spam-minded spiders can harvest your email address fairly easily At 04:49 PM 10/14/2003 -0400, you wrote: >For the past few months 50%-75% of my email is concerned >with whether I can get it up and if I can, is it big >enough once I get it up. > > >Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:41:27 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Joni vs Linda I don't really have to choose between them, do I? May I love them both? I'm willing to alternate weekends and rotate between them for the holidays on odd and even years. Surely there's a middle ground... I don't want one of those King Solomon rulings where we divide the JMDL over the issue. Lama npimh: Linda on the Christmas edition of Saturday Night Live with Paul Simon oh so long ago... He wrote the song but he was flat she was... electrifying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:08:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc question about emails I get em too, and I don't have one LMAO!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:09:31 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: njc question about emails Yep! I get those to my hotmail account so it's not that annoying. However for the past few weeks now when I open outlook express there are usually 3 emails waiting for me every day offering prescribed medicines! They must know how useless my GP is! NP: Blue - Joni ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: njc question about emails > Friends, I have to ask this. > > For the past few months 50%-75% of my email is concerned > with whether I can get it up and if I can, is it big > enough once I get it up. > > Is there some horrible rumor going around about me , are > people just concerned with my well being in a kindly way, > or are other people getting these same emails? > > It is incredibly annoying. It hasn't reached the total > annoyance stage yet, defined as seeing G W Bush on tv, but > it is rising to that level. > > Vince > > NPIMH: David Letterman: "It is official. Florida is not > the dumbest state in the Union any more." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:31:44 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: njc question about emails Let's be completely clear about this:- If your e-mail address ends up on a web page, anywhere, even just one, you *will* get spam. It *will* get worse over time. There is very little you can do about it. If you use outlook or outlook express, work out how to use the "Rules Wizard" feature to file new mail that arrives containing key words, that you denote, into a "spam" folder in Outlook. Good keywords:- Various, er, anatomical bits and pieces Various drugs: viagra, vicodin, RX etc The strings "ADV:" And many more. Also use common mis-spellings, and variants of the words with '1' substituted for 'i', '0' for 'o' and so on. Due to the prevalence of one of my e-mail addresses on the web (on my company's web page, not a lot I can do about that) I employ this sort of filtering which automatically zaps about 85% of the spam I get. I examine the ones that slip through for keywords I can add to my list to further increase the amount of spam I catch. Do beware of making filter keywords too generic though, because you'll catch valid e-mail (you probably will catch the odd valid message by mistake anyway). Therefore, you still have to examine your spam folder every now and again, but it's better than having it show up in your inbox all the time. Lastly: just don't bother trying to report spam - unless you're an e-mail expert, you won't be able to report it to the right place. Your own ISP will be no help and, to be perfectly frank, it's not *their* problem. If you use an Apple Mac, and have OS X/OS 10, make use of Apple Mail's spam filtering feature. It has a teaching mode you use to start with, and you flag every message that's spam. After a while, you can set it to automatic mode and let it figure life out for itself. It's pretty good, but is still prone to the odd false positive and false negative. Therefore, you still have to check the spam folder periodically for valid mails, but on the upside, you don't have to set a keyword list up. Lastly, with *any* e-mail client, it's a good plan to *not* let the client download images from the web that are linked to from an HTML (pretty colours, pictures) message. These messages, in some cases, are constructed so that they fetch images (even ones you can't see) from a website operated by the spammer. The image it tries to fetch is unique to your e-mail address, so they get to figure out if the address is alive or not. Again, the Mac has a handy option to do this for you, on Windows you'll need to pay for something like ZoneAlarm Pro. This lets you say stuff like: "Outlook can connect to the internet and fetch my mail, but it can't connect to download pictures in HTML e-mail." It'll occasionally break images in Yahoo groups messages, but that's a damn small price to pay. Lastly: this is all somewhat less than simple. I haven't given precise instructions for any of this because it varies for every version of Outlook, ZoneAlarm, etc. If you want to set this up, and don't know how, find a tame techie friend, and get them to walk you through it, preferably with you at the keyboard, with them telling you what to do. Gosh, that ended up as a long e-mail, didn't it? - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:42:06 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: njc question about emails In a message dated 15/10/2003 00:35:01 GMT Daylight Time, chris@hatstand.org writes: << Also use common mis-spellings, and variants of the words with '1' substituted for 'i', '0' for 'o' and so on. >> As a *general* rule, when scanning my list of incoming emails, one of the dead giveaways is mis-spellings - whoever (or whatever programme) devises spam, spell-checking is certainly not part of the picture. Another good giveaway is really peculiar looking email addresses; then, any email with an attachment is to be regarded with suspicion. This is very rudimentary stuff compared to what Chris has told us, but hey, it may help someone :-) Azeem in London NP: The Secret Life of Us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:04:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc question about emails *Your own ISP will be no help * Well, I can't say as I agree with that...the much maligned AOL (version 9.0) has an automatic filter and dumps all the spam in a seperate folder without me having to reconfigure anything. With one click I can look at the contents of the folder, confirm that it IS spam, and delete it ALL with one click. I spend about 10 seconds a day dealing with spam, which works for me. But...is a thread about spam considered spam? :~) Bob NP: Shelby Lynne, "If I Were Smart" (would have bought it for the cover alone but it sounds great too!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:39:00 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc t ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:17:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc mack, how zen of you! LOL wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de mack > watson-bush > Enviado el: Martes, 14 de Octubre de 2003 10:39 p.m. > Para: joni > Asunto: njc > > > t ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:09:29 -0700 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Fw: rickie's new album njc (for AOL members) Yep, she is!! Seeing her in Vancouver Nov 22nd. The new release is absolutely wonderful. Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: I must say that I am VERY impressed with Rickie's site. I don't know if she > will tour to support the new one, I'm assuming she will & hope I get the > chance to see her. If not I'll be looking at her site to snag a live > recording as soon as it shows up. I'm really loving this new one. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:37:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: wodehouse njc today would have been pg wodehouse' birthday, one of my favorite writers ever. i am re-reading all his books (there are hundreds of them!). can you believe they can still make me shriek with laughter? why aren't there any really funny writers nowadays? except for joe keenan's novels, nothing makes me laugh anymore. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:27:10 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 15 On October 15 the following articles were published: 1992: "Joni Mitchell subject of music tribute" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=892 1997: "Rocking Gracefully into the Golden Years" - Newhouse News Service (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=214 2002: "Mitchell slates music industry" - BBC News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=955 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #516 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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