From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #513 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 513 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: do you remember me?? [Catherine McKay ] oct 12!!!!! njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Joni on others ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc Ah nold ...ah no thanx. ["kakki" ] Re: njc Ah nold ...ah no thanx. ["kakki" ] Re: Ah nold ...ah no thanx. NJC ["kakki" ] Re: education for illegal immigrants njc (from our earlier recall discussion) ["kakki" Subject: Re: do you remember me?? --- marilyn huggins wrote: > I'm Marilyn who went to 2 jonifests in MA. Haven't > been able to go to NY because of health problems. > Now I'm in rehab with oxygen 24/7 & waiting to have > open heart surgery for a birth defect. > > Hope everyone out there is fine!!! Got a new laptop > so I'm back on line again. Marilyn, I most certainly do remember you. I met you at Jonifest 2001, tho' I was only there for one day. I'm sorry to hear about your health problems and hope the surgery goes well for you. It's good to hear from you - please stay in touch. Best wishes. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:10:48 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: oct 12!!!!! njc Happy birthday, Caren. If you want the JMDL video collection, write me off-list, okay? Lama >>H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y CAREN BEECHER!!!! as the venus child you are, may your luminous libra dimples light up rainy days in seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:44:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni on others i don't mean to be a pain but truthfully she was big everywhere i went! i lived in the nj/ny area when joni first came onto the scene & everyone i knew there was into her! a few years later i moved to ca & everyone was into her there too... seems to me she was big everywhere at that time during her first couple of albums... cool about your daughter... > OK - maybe it was a bit of the California versus NY thing. Anyway, my daughter Leah is meeting a bunch of new guys that she likes at Oxford - one of them was excited that she was a Joni fan. Touche ! Bobsart < ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:51:10 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: njc Ah nold ...ah no thanx. Azeem wrote: but I just don't know how you or anyone else can have such faith that the Republicans are above-board, after the electoral fraud that was perpetrated in Florida - or are you going to tell us that that too was a figment of the left's imagination? I was answering the article about the Cal Energy situation not the Florida election. I wrote enough to choke a horse here on the Florida election when it was happening. I absolutely do think the lefrt concocted the whole situation and there is plenty of evidence to prove it. Without getting into all the details again, there was something like 5 recounts and Bush kept winning. The Dems wanted to keep litigating and recounting until they won. At some point enough is enough and the laws have been established for that all along. So no, Bush not the Supreme Court did not "steal" the election, they were merely stranding up for the law. Here's another thought - Bush's brother Jeb won his second term for governor after that election at a surplus of 650,000 votes. If that doesn't convince you that the Republican vote for George was legitimate, I don't know what else to tell you. Kakki I think it's sad and worrying that a man with zero political savvy but boundless ego and ambition can get so far on such a blatantly meretricious campaign. While he can't help it if his father was a Nazi, I find his lionisation of Kurt Waldheim very problematic and his attitude to women neanderthal, while his dissembling about whether or not he was going to accept any outside funding for his campaign suggests that he is not playing it straight. He has had an expertly orchestrated campaign (I'll give him that!) which, as has been widely noted, has involved very little opportunity for people to question him; this is understandable, given his rudimentary grasp of the issues, but doesn't California deserve better? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:55:20 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: njc Ah nold ...ah no thanx. Cul, All I can say is that I worked on a large part of the litigation. If you really want to know the truth do a Goggle search on California energy lawsuits and read what reputable media has to say about it. I did so the other night and found out that lawsuit the article mentioned had been thrown out of court in March and referred back to FERC to decide since they were the body that approved the prices on the energy buys. And keep in mind that the incidents happened under Clinton's FERC, not Bush's. IO have also read articles which relate that CA paid much much more to BC Power (somewhere around $600 megawatt) and Seattle Power & Light ($400 MW) and it's own municipal owned DWP than Reliant, Dynergy, Enron and the rest (around $250 a MW). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:57:05 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Ah nold ...ah no thanx. NJC Mike asked: And here's another link to clean livin' Arainna's campaign. Personally I wouldn't vote for either candidate (even if I could). Didn't AH burn 28 million dollars of her husband's money trying to become the governor of NYC some years ago? No, her then husband spent about $100 million to become CA governor himself. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:18:51 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: education for illegal immigrants njc (from our earlier recall discussion) Kate wrote: > as i see it their are 2 important things being overlooked... > > one is that these kids are legally allowed to attend public schools (k-12) & > many have been doing so for years & years & want to continue their > education... > > two is that it is very very easy for anyone from another state to take up > residency in california in order to qualify for all the same benefits as > those who are illegal (if they qualify for state status)... > > so where is the outrage from these people regarding so many from other > states taking our state tax payers money for their education? & why should > kids be allowed to attend k-12 but not college? I'll try to put it in a nutshell. The children of undocumented workers are attending the public schools K-12. You have a system in CA where schools are paid for in large part from property and local taxes. This came from back in the good old days when most Californians could own a home. The parents of these children are not paying any taxes (no state, Federal or property taxes) other than sales taxes. Numerically, there is not enough revenue coming in per person to support the the numbers of children to be educated so the money is always at a deficit, even apparently with the Lotto to help raise more education funds. People who come from another state to get a cheaper college education are citizens or legal residents. They are paying all the required taxes, except property tax, to help foot the bill. Here's the bottom line which I think Californians are going to have to address sooner than later. We cannot as taxpayers keep subsidizing and paying education, medcial and now higher education and housing bills for people who are here illegally. We've all looked the other way for too long because 1) we get cheaper produce and clothing and other goods from the underground economy, and 2) I really believe most Californians want the illegals to have a better chance here than in the countries they come from and feel for them. Here's the tough decision - shall we start enforcing the law with the employers so that THEY will now pay taxes or benefits on Medical, employment, etc. for their undocumented workers? I think this is the way it has to go. We cannot keep subsidizing the industries who are benefiting from them. That is really what is happening. We are agreeing to just another form of corporate welfare as long as we let it continue. It's a Herculean task to change this system because apparently CA does not even know and hasn't known for years who or how many undocumented workers it has in the state. But they must start somewhere. I am all for making the undocumented workers legal and once they are in the system, I am all for them taking advantage of every benefit available to better themselves financially, educationally and otherwise. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #513 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)