From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #511 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 12 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 511 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- october 11!!! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #510 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Fw: october 11!!! (njc) (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Re: NCBD- Dud? Oui! Oui! ["amelio747" ] Re: NJC Urge For Groping ["amelio747" ] Re: Joni is a miracle - now singles SJC ["amelio747" ] Re: bad english in music njc ["David Rahall" ] Re: bad english in music njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni is a miracle - now singles SJC ["ron" ] NJC Tori collaboration! ["amelio747" ] Re: bad english in music njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni on others [Bobsart48@aol.com] re:T'log - B'log ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: T'log - B'log [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: T'log - B'log ["J.David Sapp" ] "Over The Rhine" at the Bottom Line NYC tonight NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedi] Re: Study War no More (NJC) [Gary Zack ] njc question for musicians [vince ] re: Tea Leaf Prophecy ["mia ortlieb" ] Joni in Time-Life Ultimate 70's collection ["michael o'malley" ] Re: NJC Re: More Dylan content in liner notes [Ken ] Re: Joni on others ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Joni on others ["ron" ] Re: njc question for musicians ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: njc question for musicians ["ron" ] Re: bad english in music njc ["kerry" ] liner notes on "Cool Water" ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] liner notes on "Passion Play (When All The Slaves Are Free) ["Lama, Jim L] liner notes on "Cherokee Louise" ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] rickie lee jones question njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today's Library Links: October 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:30:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: october 11!!! (njc) lady hermione looked around her, brimming with undisguised joy at the prospect of one more evening with her dear friends, lady dora and the hon. prudence chadwyck-custard. mrs lucille smith-beach would be present too, and the idea filled lady hermione with even more undisguised joy. at last, lady hermione would have an opportunity to demonstrate that HER evenings deserved the attention that the best of london society seemed to have indiscriminately devoted to lucille's silly soirees for almost the entire season. indiscriminately and, yes, the word almost rose to her lips, idiotically. a ouija board, a planchette, if you please! how aggrieved lady hermione had felt, seeing how her dearest dora and prudence had wasted their mediumistic talents on la smith's spiritualistic scams! (lady hermione was extremely wary of hyphenated surnames when the owners of which could not claim even a humble "hon" to supply the proper adhesive, thus in private she referred to lucille using only her first and, in her opinion, more probable family name.) "hyphenate, hyphenate, hyphenate! hyphenate to your heart's content, dear lucille! hyphenate until your surgically-enhanced face turns the colour of your putrid liver!" suddenly exclaimed lady hermione, severely startling murgatroyd, the butler, as he arranged the last plate of cucumber sandwiches. "did madam say anything?", asked murgatroyd in butlery tones. regaining her composure, lady hermione smiled and said, "that will be all, murgatroyd." perhaps the reader should be told that mrs lucille smith-beach had so far been the undisputable hit of the london season. by means of cunning and superior cucumber sandwiches, lucille had managed to interest the ruling class in the practice of ouija board reading, robbing lady hermione of her previously uncontested role as queen of the parlour victorian game and, to add poison to treason, of her two most loyal supporters: lady dora and the already mentioned hon.. the reader will agree that such baseness could not possibly go unnoticed and least of all unpunished. "eat dung and perish!", barked lady hermione, now alone in the room and free to indulge in violent emotions at leisure. oh how lady hermione had exulted at meeting signora concetta scarponi at the vicar's jumble sale. to introduce herself and hire the renowned medium had been the work of an instant. with la scarponi at the helm of tonight's siance, lady hermione's evening would make lucille's ouija games look like tea with a middle-aged landlady in comparison. signora scarponi had promised a wonderful feat. for a moderate fee, signora scarponi would summon the presence of the famously elusive and horrifying JMDL BF! lady hermione smiled again and called for more cucumber sandwiches. she sat down to wait. (to be continued) H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y ROBERT HOLLISTON!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:11:50 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #510 Subject: joni mention. Here's one that all should get some enjoyment out of as not only it is ludicrous but wholly untrue, even to someone that isn't a joniphyte. Out of the Sheboygan paper and the writer isn't identified. Jackson Browne, the quintessential sensitive Californian singer-songwriter of the early 70's brings his show to the Riverside Theater in Milwaukee at 7:30 p.m. on Monday, October 13. Only Joni Mitchell and James Taylor ranked alongside Browne in terms of influence, but neither artist tapped into the post-60's zeitgeist like Browne. While the majority of his classic 70's work was unflinchingly personal, it nevertheless provided a touchstone for a generation of maturing baby boomers coming to terms with adulthood. Not only did his introspective, literate lyrics strike a nerve, but his laid-back folk-rock set the template for much of the music to come out of California during the 70's. During the 70's and early 80's, he was at the height of his popularity, as each of his albums charted in the Top 10. Midway through the 80's, Browne made a series of political protest records which caused his audience to gradually shrink, but when he returned to introspective songwriting with 1993's 'I'm Alive', he made a modest comeback. hehehhehehehheh. I was there at that time and I must have missed most of that. mack That was obviously written by a Brownie. I don't knock JB at all but some of the comparisons made to Joni by some poorly educated critics either amuse or anger me. Plus, there's an implication there that much or most of Joni's work happened in the 60s (why why why does that keep happening?). There was another Joni media mention this week that said we have James Taylor to thank for Joni's success (and others). How ridiculous. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:22:12 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: october 11!!! (njc) (for AOL members) Hi! I know you who are members of the Jonifest Yahoo group are getting this twice (or thrice?!) but, as is another statement from our loving BD... here it goes, again! Happy birthday, Robert!!!!!! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; "JMDL" ; "Northeastjonifest@Yahoogroups. Com" Enviado: sabado, 11 de octubre de 2003 9:30 Asunto: october 11!!! (njc) > lady hermione looked around her, brimming with undisguised joy at the > prospect of one more evening with her dear friends, lady dora and the hon. > prudence chadwyck-custard. > > mrs lucille smith-beach would be present too, and the idea filled lady > hermione with even more undisguised joy. at last, lady hermione would have > an opportunity to demonstrate that HER evenings deserved the attention that > the best of london society seemed to have indiscriminately devoted to > lucille's silly soirees for almost the entire season. indiscriminately and, > yes, the word almost rose to her lips, idiotically. > > a ouija board, a planchette, if you please! how aggrieved lady hermione had > felt, seeing how her dearest dora and prudence had wasted their mediumistic > talents on la smith's spiritualistic scams! (lady hermione was extremely > wary of hyphenated surnames when the owners of which could not claim even a > humble "hon" to supply the proper adhesive, thus in private she referred to > lucille using only her first and, in her opinion, more probable family > name.) > > "hyphenate, hyphenate, hyphenate! hyphenate to your heart's content, dear > lucille! hyphenate until your surgically-enhanced face turns the colour of > your putrid liver!" suddenly exclaimed lady hermione, severely startling > murgatroyd, the butler, as he arranged the last plate of cucumber > sandwiches. "did madam say anything?", asked murgatroyd in butlery tones. > regaining her composure, lady hermione smiled and said, "that will be all, > murgatroyd." > > perhaps the reader should be told that mrs lucille smith-beach had so far > been the undisputable hit of the london season. by means of cunning and > superior cucumber sandwiches, lucille had managed to interest the ruling > class in the practice of ouija board reading, robbing lady hermione of her > previously uncontested role as queen of the parlour victorian game and, to > add poison to treason, of her two most loyal supporters: lady dora and the > already mentioned hon.. the reader will agree that such baseness could not > possibly go unnoticed and least of all unpunished. > > "eat dung and perish!", barked lady hermione, now alone in the room and free > to indulge in violent emotions at leisure. > > oh how lady hermione had exulted at meeting signora concetta scarponi at the > vicar's jumble sale. to introduce herself and hire the renowned medium had > been the work of an instant. with la scarponi at the helm of tonight's > siance, lady hermione's evening would make lucille's ouija games look like > tea with a middle-aged landlady in comparison. > > signora scarponi had promised a wonderful feat. for a moderate fee, signora > scarponi would summon the presence of the famously elusive and horrifying > JMDL BF! > > lady hermione smiled again and called for more cucumber sandwiches. she sat > down to wait. > > (to be continued) > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > ROBERT HOLLISTON!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:30:29 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC Re: More Dylan content in liner notes hi >>>>>>ken wrote> "Sticks and stones will break your bones > But names damn well can hurt you." > As we have seen far to often on this very news group. mmmm i thought this lists version was "sticks and stones will break your bones but whips & chains excite you" ron np ani difranco - fire door ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:49:55 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: NCBD- Dud? Oui! Oui! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: NCBD- Dud? Oui! Oui! > > > Oh, I understand that & of course I agree. My point was to try and separate > the singer from the song, and just look at the song itself. I just don't see > where it tackles the issue very well. Matter of fact, this verse: > > "I heard you leaving > Late last night > I heard you screaming down the mountain > Like you were running red lights > (Red lights) > You had some trash can rock band pounding" > > Puts me in the mind of a teenage relationship where the boy gets in his car, > peeling out and cranking the music way up. Maybe that's her point, I don't > know. Just seems kind of immature for a mid-life relationship, that's all. Well actually I always thought it was an over egsagerated reference to Klein being much younger than Joni. > Now, what I DO think is great is a song like "Facelift"...now HERE we see > another obviously autobiographical situation, but to me it's described so much > more sincerely, a woman still at odds with her Mom an negotiating a new love and > discovering that she's still battling the same obstacles as when she was > younger. > > "For God's sake, I'm middle-aged, Mama > And time moves swift > And you know happiness is the best facelift" > > Anyway, I think that if she becomes so inspired she still has so much more to > say about this phase of her life...finally getting to be a mother, and > simultaneously a grandmother, helping her children to discover the joy of life, > still being a daughter herself...so many generations and issues - what a well to > draw from! > > Anyway, the bottom line for me is that NCBD just rings false. True in her > situation I guess, but it lacks that universal quality in her writing that gives > us something we can really feel. But that's just the way I feel about it and I > very much appreciate your thoughts on the subject as well. Yes I do like this song but after a while the VG8 really gets on my nerves - it's just too synth-like! And yes the lyrics do come accross much more clearer as being personal. However I do like a bit of mystery to a song. Also a lot of Joni's music is pure escapism for me, I mean I don't relate with songs like 'For The Roses' or 'Barangrill' or infact probably the whole of THOSL but yes I do feel them. Just try and figure out what a lot of Tori Amos's lyrics mean! Thank you Bob I apreciate your thoughts too. Steve NP: Icicle - Tori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:51:18 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: NJC Urge For Groping I can just hear him singing it too in that accent LOL - thanks Bob! ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: NJC Urge For Groping > I'm sure this will offend someone, so sorry in advance... > Ahnold sent this to me (he's a big Joni fan - who knew?) and I > thought I'd forward it on: > > Urge For Groping > (Mitchell-Schwarzaneggar) > > I woke up today & found that I was Governor > Lots of people voted, but they didn't know what for > But when the chads were counted up, And all the other candidates > had finally quit > I got the urge for groping, just couldn't wait for it > > I get the urge for groping > Cuz I'm the boss and I wear the crown > All my subjects bowing down and babes are everywhere > > I once was a bodybuilder > With muscled, well-oiled skin > Twas in those old weight-lifting days > My groping did begin > Bikini girls with pumped-up chests > They would flaunt and I would squeeze their glistening pecs > I got the urge for groping, it wasnbt really sex > > I get the urge for groping > Cuz I'm a Hollywood movie star > I've groped 50 plus so far, and more are on the way > > Now the warriors in the White House gave a loud triumphant shout > "California's Ours", they said - that rascal Gray is out > Mexicans in chevron flight, picking fruit and working but with > naught to show > They got the urge for voting, but were kindly ordered NO > > So Ibve got the urge for groping > Soon as Maria turns her back > I canbt say no to a healthy rack, my hands are closing in... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:00:13 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Joni is a miracle - now singles SJC Thanks Brenda you kind of have it covered. Yes I live in the UK and don't listen to the radio anymore because it's so formatted. R1 really annoys me for many reasons but this one time not so long ago they had Jimmy Page on the show as a guest which other radio stations would kill for. They actually played a Led Zeppelin song but that was probably the first time in years! Also they've had many artist on the station name check Joni but do they ever play her! I remember Nelly Fertado and some dance artist mentioned her. NP: Yes, Anastasia - Tori (such an epic) ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:22 AM Subject: Re: Joni is a miracle - now singles NJC > On 8 Oct 2003 at 11:20, Kate Bennett wrote: > > > eeww that song annoyed the heck out of me...here is my 2 cents > > compared to brenda's $200 but i am not sure if she's hanging out > > here...record companies pay to get their songs on the radio so i think > > this has something to do with it... > > > > bob >I've been noticing this for the last 5+ years. It didn't used to > > be that way. I have no idea why it's that way now. I first started > > noticing this when Cher's "Believe" was a hit for about a year. > > > > I sure miss Brenda's commentary on stuff like this . . .< > > It's always nice to be missed. Thanks guys. Can't stay long, but wanted to > answer. > > This is based on my somewhat foggy recollection of what's happened with single > sales, but here goes. > > The weight given to airplay versus the sale of singles has changed a couple of > times in the last 10 years. Around '96-'97 more weight was given to sales than > airplay. > > The labels went through a period of taking steep losses (around $3/unit cost with > $.99/unit price) on commercial singles to achieve chart position. Around '99 the > lightbulb finally went on and the labels pulled back. (Although you will find > commercial singles available for rap and some R&B, they have for the most part > been phased out with the other genres.) The chart calculation was once again > shifted back to weight airplay more heavily than sales. > > At the same time, there was an increase in radio consolidation, leading to more > stations being programmed centrally, with software doing more of the work of > good-old, human program directors. > > I think that single longevity is more because of the way radio is programmed than > what labels spend to get airplay. This is especially relevant for songs that become > Hot AC hits and Hot AC stations have big audiences and therefore heavy > weighting. > > Hot AC hits end up on the charts forever because songs are rotated the slowest- > meaning they add few songs to their playlist (almost exclusively songs that have > become hits at other formats) and keep them there for a long time. > > Bland is big at Hot AC and change is slow. Once a song is deemed to be > inoffensive to the audience (meaning it researches well-it doesn't get extremely > strong like or dislike) it can stay in rotation for months. > > Contrast it with the UK where there are a lot fewer stations and the industry is > driven (and make money) from singles. > > Hope that helps. > B > > np: Shelby Lynne - "Gonna Be Better" from "Identity Crisis" > A very fine recovery from the tarted up, Glen Ballard fiasco that was "Love, > Shelby" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:16:03 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Joni and the other Girls Perhaps, perhaps but there are a lot of people besides Alanis who have outsold Joni. I've also read several times Joni saying that she doesn't sell many records and she only really makes money from the song writing. This to me is a crime because she isn't just a good songwriter lets not forget; singer, musician, and producer. Of course there is a lot of criteria to take into account but all in all I feel she has never quite got the credit she deserves in certain areas. NP: Crayon Angels - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:17 AM Subject: Re: Joni and the other Girls > On 6 Oct 2003 at 0:04, StephenToogood wrote: > > > Yes it does amaze me how out of touch Joni is with so much good music. > > I mean she grumbles when hers doesn't get much attention. > > > > I also feel sorry for her because I'm sure it must have been really > > hard. I mean she accomplished a lot as and for a woman in the industry > > and many woman less talented than her kick her ass when it comes to > > record sales. Alanis for example: 'Jagged Little Pill' has sold a > > ridiculous amount. Yes it has a lot of emotion in it and yeah it's > > pretty good but it sure as hell has proved to be less timeless! For me > > anyway because I rarely listen to it now. Also Alanis didn't put as > > much into that record as Joni puts into hers. Of course Joni is like a > > miracle and other artist can't help that. > > I'm not sure that it's particularly helpful to compare Joni's sales with anyone who has > put out a successful record since Michael Jackson's "Thriller" sold 40 million during > it's chart dominance. Music was catapulted from the radio and live shows to > television in a big way, 24 hours a day. It changed everything. Combine that with > the corporatizaiton of labels (the desire for greater returns on every signing and > every release) and the consolidation of radio and you have an atmosphere where > selling a million records is a disappointment - unlike the 70's when a platinum record > was a celebration. > > I don't think it's outrageous to suppose that if "Court & Spark" had its initial release > today with "Help Me" being a big hit at radio and a young, beautiful California-kissed > Joni seducing the audience in a video, that she would have a multi-platinum > success. > > Just my late to the thread $.02. > > B > > np: Samite - "Mwatu" > -------------------------------------------- > "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:37:48 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: bad english in music njc If you love somebody, set them free-Sting David np: "Sweetheart Of The Rodeo" by The Byrds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:42:37 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: bad english in music njc In a message dated 11/10/2003 11:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, dasaff@bellsouth.net writes: > If you love somebody, set them free-Sting > > I thought that was bad music in English. ;-) Azeem in London (not a solo Sting fan) NP: France v Fiji in the Rugby World Cup, great stuff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:54:43 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni is a miracle - now singles SJC hi steve t wrote >>>>>NP: Yes, Anastasia - Tori (such an epic) ok - that *really* had me going for a couple of moments - just the thought of a collaboration between, yes, anastasia, and tori - im actually trying to figure out what it would sound like......... ron np - france vs fiji ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:01:14 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: NJC Tori collaboration! LOL - quite scary I'd imagine! NP: Enchanted Sky Machines - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Joni is a miracle - now singles SJC > hi > > > steve t wrote > >>>>>NP: Yes, Anastasia - Tori (such an epic) > > > ok - that *really* had me going for a couple of moments - just the thought > of a collaboration between, yes, anastasia, and tori - im actually trying to > figure out what it would sound like......... > > ron > np - france vs fiji ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:06:25 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bad english in music njc David writes: << If you love somebody, set them free-Sting >> Ah! Don't it always seem yo go . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:54:03 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on others Sorry to get back days later, but that happens to me sometimes. Kate replied re: my post: > >Joni has been a relative flop getting that type of recognition - I'm > certain it is because her work is too high level to be appreciated by the > masses< > > i disagree!!! in her day (& let's face it every artist has their day), joni > was hugely appreciated by the masses & the queen of all music... > > Well, Kate, I stand by my comment, with emphasis on the word 'relative'. > Joni may have been on the cover of Time, and may have been popular with the critics and the higher-level of music listeners and record buyers, but to compare her success in this area with, say, Elton John (8 straight number one albums) or Bruce Springsteen (18 months of selling out arenas) would be comical. Relatively speaking, she lacked the common touch that they both have. That is not to even mention, say, Whitney Houston at her peak. Or Madonnal. Did I hear anyone say Norah Jones ? Actually, in a way, her recognition over the past decade has been greater than in her early 'queen of music' years. to this day > she is among the most admired by other musicians...what could > be more > notable than that? I had conceded that point, though adding that I felt the homage in that area is not quite complete. By the way, I respect and agree with your earlier post about what music/art should be all about - touching souls, not climbing charts. But it's just not a perfect world, eh ? > > > & if other artists are compared to her it is just uneccessary to diss > them...how about just saying that as an artist it bothers her to be compared > at all? > That would be gracious, but probably not truthful. That was part of my apology. I do not find her lack of grace in this area attractive, but I think I understand it, and forgive it. Although I agree with your earlier sentiment, there are differences in quality of art. They are just more subjective, and harder to quantify. It would not bother Joni to be compared with the greatest of the great of all time (although her skill set is sort of tough to find 'comps' with). It bothers her to be compared with lesser artists. Best Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:11:31 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re:T'log - B'log Its All Over Now Bob Muller: I have officially had it.Every time you dis Travelogue I will post: Travelogue is beautiful. A truly special gift from a woman of heart and mind direct to her fans. Should be fun, no? :) peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:09:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: T'log - B'log Subject: Re: T'log - B'log Good, maybe you're starting to get it:) peace, david (lying in wait for the next T'log dis and the Jonifest CD's - WHOA HOA) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:28:27 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Over The Rhine" at the Bottom Line NYC tonight NJC The singer-songwriters called "Over The Rhine" are playing the Bottom Line in NYC tonight. They are currently supporting a wonderful, spare 2 CD set called "OHIO". They are Karin Berquist and Linford Detweiller. Karin's looks a bit like Claud or Jenny and uses the old-school trick of changing vowel sounds. They have a breathtaking ability to make a point, then drop back to nothing, then do the slow buildup thing with Linford's piano and Karin singing. Their guitarist, Jack Henderson, is a complete professional like Brian Stoltz. Go see 'em. It's not just me saying it, either. John van Tiel published a rave review of their previous CD, "FILMS FOR RADIO". All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:42:59 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Study War no More (NJC) And I always think of Laura Nyro's "Save The Country" when I hear those words: "I got fury in my soul, Fury's gonna take me to the glory goal in my mind, I can't study war no more....Save the people, Save the children, Save the country......." Best regards, Gary Zack Detroit PassScribe@aol.com wrote: ><< From: "Marianne Rizzo" >Subject: Tea Leaf Prophecy > >>Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:16:09 -0400 >>From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >>Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy, liner notes on >> > >captive on the carousel of time >Love, >Marianne > >ps. "Study war no more" Doesn't this come from the anti war song. . ."I >ain't gonna study war no more".. . > something like that? > >> >Marianne: > I don't know where it originated from but I've heard that line (or a >similar one) before; it appears in the song, "Lysistrata", on Todd Rundgren's 1982 >Utopia album, Swing to the Right. From what I understand, the song documents >a (supposedly) true story about wives of soldiers who refused to have sex with >their husbands unless the men gave up their aspirations of war and fighting. > Just another bit of trivia which may or may not apply... > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:04:04 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc question for musicians a friend posted this on a Sox message board: "I'm looking at the mesa/boogie F-50. Anyone play guitar or have played this amp?" I am not sure what that means but I am sure many of you do so any comments I will forward - thanks - Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:10:02 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Tea Leaf Prophecy I love the Tea Leaf Prophecy. In fact, for the past two weeks or so, this line has been ringing in my head: "Summer's just a sneeze in a long long bad winter cold." It's so true! I also wonder about the line "She says she's leaving here, but she don't go." It reminds me so much about the song "Urge for Going." Could "Urge for Going" also be about Joni's mom? Kenny wrote: <> The original "Lysistrata" is actually a Greek Comedy written by Aristophanes. The women of Sparta and Athens organize a sex strike, refusing to go to bed with their husbands until the men stop the war between the two cities, and the plan actually works! Too funny! Mia - now listening to the leaves trembling down _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:30:04 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni in Time-Life Ultimate 70's collection I saw a Joni flash on the tube recently - Time-Life's Ultimate 70's collection infomercial. Something like 10 discs of 70's tunes. Curiously, our Joni appears only once, on the 1974 cd, with Help Me. During the infomercial, we are treated to a video snippet of Joni singing this song, she is standing, wearing a long dress, an acoustic guitar around her neck, and her very long, wavy hair falling down her back. Lovely shot. I'd love to see more of this 70's footage, and I wonder, where does it come from? Do we have any video of her 70's concerts besides S&L? This is also the first time I've noticed one of Joni's tunes included in a compilation CD set. Rather unusual isn't it? Also interesting to see that Linda Ronstadt has a song on practically each disc in the series (there's one for each year) - one would easily get the impression that she was the bigger female megastar of that decade. Is this true? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:20:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Time-Life Ultimate 70's collection Subject: RE: Joni on others as far as joni getting recognition i think what i am trying to get across is that in her heyday she had that recognition bigtime..as a young girl i know cuz i was there & it felt like everyone was there with me...it is true she hasn't had the longevity on the radio or the sales of elton (bruce came onto the scene a bit later so he's not as good as a comparison in this case) ... all i can tell you is that the world i was living in at the time of her early career recognized her as perhaps among the most famous & admired of all musicians...but that was my world, maybe it was a bubble i don't know...it sure seemed like everyone was in it with me but isn't that how it is :~} re joni, elton & bruce > Relatively speaking, she lacked the common touch that they both have. < i am not sure that i completely understand what you mean by that- i think she had the common touch more than most, writing in her own blood she spoke of her personal journey & everyone i knew felt she was speaking to their soul so great is her artistry... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:56:21 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: NJC Re: More Dylan content in liner notes Unkinkafiably true K ron wrote: >hi > > > >>>>>>ken wrote> "Sticks and stones will break your bones > >>But names damn well can hurt you." >>As we have seen far to often on this very news group. >> > > >mmmm i thought this lists version was > "sticks and stones will break your bones > but whips & chains excite you" > >ron >np ani difranco - fire door ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:11:36 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Joni on others Kate wrote: she had the common touch more than most I find dear Joan extremely uncommon and even on the tunes I don't care for they seem to exude a profound difference from some of the crap out there. Writing of Elton and Bruce, I adore many of Elton's tunes and would call them classic and 'Born to Run' is one of the best albums ever, in my opinion, but they have both put out some common fare, as much so as flies on cow turds in the hot texas sun, that they are not in the same league with Joan. Yes, many have sold well but that doesn' t make them good, in this head. Elton should have went with quality instead of quantity and face it, Bruce simply sold out, especially with that awful 'dancin in the dark.' eeeekkkkk.. The only worse than the song was the video. Ugh. Big fans of both but they are not in the same league with joni mitchell. mack np: gino vannelli-nightwalker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:56:34 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni on others hi >>>>bobsart wrote >>>>> but to compare her success in this area with, say, Elton John (8 straight number one albums) ok - first off, consecutive they may have been, but defintely not straight :-) but i do honestly agree that joni does not enjoy the recognition she deserves. and by recognition, i do not mean sales. its a point well made by ani di franco in the interview clip which is doing the rounds on kazaa etc. when many people think of singer songwriter music, or music ffrom the 60's/70's, what is the most common person they flash onto? *probably* its bob dylan? is this not what joni is missing? the automatic reference to her as the icon of 60's/70's artistic excellence in music? sure, there are a lot of people who do - musicians mainly from what ive seen, but its not the first association for most people (well, in my experience anyway). and, i wonder, is this not because of her rfefusal to go all out for popularity and fame? i'm not much up on my background knowledge of rock or musicians, but i do know that both bob dylan and janis were both craving it, and changed their music to gain it (tho still retaining integrity). im certainly of the opinion that elton john did (just compare the two versions of "goodbye norma jean" and that "other" song about the princess) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:22:53 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc question for musicians Hi Vince! I spoke to my brother about this amp....he said it is very high quality. He said it all depends what one is looking for or what sounds you want out of this amp. He prefers Marshall...but Mesa/boogie is comparable. Bree NP: Gino..Nightwalker >a friend posted this on a Sox message board: > >"I'm looking at the mesa/boogie F-50. Anyone play guitar or have played >this amp?" > >I am not sure what that means but I am sure many of you do so any comments >I will forward - > > >thanks - > >Vince _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:42:14 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: october 11!!! (njc) Wally..your use of words just dazzles me. Not only cucumber sandwiches...but SUPERIOR cucumber sandwiches!! Too funny!! Happy Birthday Robert! What a treat to meet and hear you play at the fest. Fondly.. Bree perhaps the reader should be told that mrs lucille smith-beach had so far >been the undisputable hit of the london season. by means of cunning and >superior cucumber sandwiches, lucille had managed to interest the ruling >class in the practice of ouija board reading, robbing lady hermione of her >previously uncontested role as queen of the parlour victorian game and, to >add poison to treason, of her two most loyal supporters: lady dora and the >already mentioned hon.. the reader will agree that such baseness could not >possibly go unnoticed and least of all unpunished. > >"eat dung and perish!", barked lady hermione, now alone in the room and >free >to indulge in violent emotions at leisure. > >oh how lady hermione had exulted at meeting signora concetta scarponi at >the >vicar's jumble sale. to introduce herself and hire the renowned medium had >been the work of an instant. with la scarponi at the helm of tonight's >siance, lady hermione's evening would make lucille's ouija games look like >tea with a middle-aged landlady in comparison. > >signora scarponi had promised a wonderful feat. for a moderate fee, signora >scarponi would summon the presence of the famously elusive and horrifying >JMDL BF! > >lady hermione smiled again and called for more cucumber sandwiches. she sat >down to wait. > >(to be continued) > >H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > >ROBERT HOLLISTON!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:02:29 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: njc question for musicians hi >>>>vince asked > a friend posted this on a Sox message board: > "I'm looking at the mesa/boogie F-50. Anyone play guitar or have played > this amp?" > I am not sure what that means but I am sure many of you do so any > comments I will forward - any doubts about gear - go to harmony central. then take everything with a pinch of salt - most reviews there are rave reviews - cause they are generally by people who bought the kit :-) so tone them down a bit & get some good advice!! the f50 has a couple of good reviews which can be found at: http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Mesa_Boogie/F_50_112_Combo-01.htm l for the combo, or http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Mesa_Boogie/F_50_Head-01.html what is also very handy about these reviews are the inclusion of the prices paid which can give a good indication of just hhow badly youve just been ripped off :-) ron np - joan baez - boulder to birmingham - i am *loving* this joan boxed set........ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:45:01 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: bad english in music njc No woman, no cry.... Kerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 8:06 AM Subject: Re: bad english in music njc > David writes: > > << If you love somebody, set them free-Sting >> > > Ah! Don't it always seem yo go . . . > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:05:55 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: liner notes on "Cool Water" Here is Joni's paragraph from THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always loved the Sons Of The Pioneers - classic cowboy music - Roy Rogers' band. I updated this song because water is another issue that people aren't paying enough attention to - like the radioactive waste that is rapidly leeching towards the Colorado River. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:12:31 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: liner notes on "Passion Play (When All The Slaves Are Free) Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always like the Rabbi Jesus' spunk and his rebellious spirit. My father told me, "Your Jesus is awfully human." He also said my way of telling the story of Moses and the Burning Bush would be, to some people, blasphemous! This song is basically my telling of the Easter story but it morphs into contemporary ecological and sociological disasters. It is about crisis in the heart and healing of the heart. The "I" perspective that I am singing from is that of Zachius, the little tax collector. He was short. He was jumping up and down in the back row of a large crowd that gathered to witness the arrival of Jesus into the town of Jerusalem. He had climbed into a sycamore tree to get a better look. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:14:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: liner notes on "Cherokee Louise" Joni had nothing to say about "Cherokee Louise". She has already given us the ultimate intro, of course, when she appeared on the CBC's "Much Music" programme in Toronto, Ontario. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:46:21 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Tea Leaf Prophecy In a message dated 10/11/03 1:10:18 PM, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: << The original "Lysistrata" is actually a Greek Comedy written by Aristophanes. The women of Sparta and Athens organize a sex strike, refusing to go to bed with their husbands until the men stop the war between the two cities, and the plan actually works! Too funny! Mia - now listening to the leaves trembling down >> Yeah, now that you mention it, that was the story as I remember it. I guess Todd/Utopia wrote their song "Lysistrata" in reference to that Greek comedy. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:08:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: oct 12!!!!! njc and yet one more libra-lurker! why is it that libras post either 100 times a day or never? anyways, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y CAREN BEECHER!!!! as the venus child you are, may your luminous libra dimples light up rainy days in seattle. don't be a stranger now, ya hear? love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:26:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: rickie lee jones question njc some time ago (maybe 10 years ago LOL) someone posted the lyrics to theme for the pope by rickie. it's on the magazine album. when the cd came out, for some reason the words were eliminated and the singing part was replaced by "la da da da etc". the lyrics were in french. does anybody know why the lyrics were eliminated? and does anybody have the original lyrics that came with album? and could you post them? rickie's site doesn't have them. i remember the song spoke about cowboy boots. thank you, oh thank you ever so much. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:03:58 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 12 On October 12 the following articles were published: 1974: "Bowie, Mitchell, Yes Top Poll" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=771 1998: "Burning Bright" - Time (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=381 1998: "Taming Joni Mitchell - Joni's Jazz" - Austin Chronicle (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=37 2000: "My mom, my sister and me" - Sacramento News & Review (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=922 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #511 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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