From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #505 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 505 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC ["kakki" ] Re: correction (california recall) njc ["kakki" ] Fae Hamilton/RLG is out of the office until Oct. 13, 2003 [Fae_Hamilton@n] Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["kakki" ] Re: Joni question? [Emiliano ] Fw: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Perma-Vine Offer Closed [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] Re: Perma-Vine Offer Closed ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Joni question? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni question? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Godpell NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni question? NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Joni is a miracle ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: njc Where's My Car? ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: NJC Godpell NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC Godpell NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC Godpell NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: NJC Godpell/sjc in the np [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: NJC Godspell/sjc in the np [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: American Indian song subject ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: American Indian song subject -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Suzanne Vega and Joni ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce ["StephenToog] Re: njc Where's My Car? ["StephenToogood" ] Another honour for Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["Kate Bennett] Re: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC ["kakki" ] Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["kakki" ] Re: budget shortfalls njc ["kakki" ] RE: NJC Godpell NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Godspell NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni and the other Girls njc ["Kate Bennett" ] october 6!!!!! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:46:48 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC Darice wrote: > The car tax has not been raised..it has been reinstated at the pre-surplus level. Really? I don't ever remember annual registration for new cars being anywhere near $900-1,200 each year! >My 1997 BMW costs $221 to register-$30 registration fee, $188 (VLF) and $3 >County fee. We are both lucky we own older cars, so this means everyone with a new or fairly new car should get rid of it and get an older one? Won't they be stuck paying off their car car loan and taking a huge loss in selling a depreciated car that no one will want because of the high fees? Cars are so essential for people to get to work in CA. There has to be better ways to raise revenue than raising fees on something so essential, like maybe renegotiating the energy contracts and rescinding many other sweet deals made by Davis. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:55:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: correction (california recall) njc Gene wrote: > every legislator should be held accountable for this economic mess. I totally agree. Many from both parties tried to talk him out of the high priced energy contracts (talk about corporate welfare for the utility companies!) which is a large part of the deficit. > and don't blame the illegals to try to better their life. I have never "blamed" the illegals for trying to better their life. I am all for making them "legal" and processing them for legal residency or citizenship as soon as possible. My objection is legislating that anyone from anywhere in the world could come here "illegally" yet get legal benefits that normally are paid for by taxes. I guess I see it more in the big picture - wouldn't we be inundated with millions more people from all over the world if they could get free medical care, college (university leveal, not community college) education, subsidized housing and so on while making most of their money "under the table" untaxed? Tell you what - I'll go for it if everyone in the rest of the 49 states agrees to do the same. > a large amount of the blame should go to the large construction/agricultural >companies who employ "contractors" to bring the cheap help to increase their >bottom line. It's a very tricky economic situation, and I don't know the best solution. I am for helping them as much as possible, but feel strongly they need to be part of the system and not in the shadows. That would also be good for them, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:02:00 -0700 From: Fae_Hamilton@notes.rlg.org Subject: Fae Hamilton/RLG is out of the office until Oct. 13, 2003 I will be out of the office starting 10/06/2003 and will not return until 10/13/2003. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:18:05 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Kate wrote: > either its about party or its not about party...it makes no sense to say > that republicans would be foolish not to step in but democrats stepping in > are opportunistic...hello? imo they are both opportunistic because that is > the way the game is played these days... Then we are saying the same thing. I interpreted some of your other remarks to mean that this was some kind of one-sided deal. Ultimately, I think it should be about solving and fixing the issues and problems and not the party at this point. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:45:24 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Did Night Ride Home ever come out on vinyl? Did Night Ride Home ever come out on vinyl? I figured it didn't, but saw a Come In From The Cold/Slouching Towards Bethlehem 7" single on EBay... does anyone know if the album exists on LP? Also, was Shadows And Light ever released on audio cassette? _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:43:37 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce In a message dated 10/6/03 1:46:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Rose are you saying that the E Streeters have been touring for 18 months > and > now they're finished? > > That's what I'm saying....but Bruce said at the end.....we'll be seeing you....I have a feeling a new album will be released sometime in the near future. I do have the Light of Day concert to look forward to and then there is talk of 3 Christmas shows at Convention Hall;~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:18:20 -0400 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni Box Set Jimmy comes out with this crap: > Thanks for all the liner notes Lama. You've saved us all 43 bucks! I'm thinking that Joni gets a large cut of the complete Geffen Recordings, and there's probably 10 people on the list that bought this box. Well maybe 8 people because I accidentially bought mine twice. Now I have two tiny packages that I can barely read, although my pending new bifocals may help. From my perspective, it's not worth the buy. Had it been an album box set, I'd be singing a different (off) tune, but the CD packaging is just too small and not suited to its contents. (Size does matter). I wish that the albums in the set were just purchased on their own and a coffee table book of her liner notes and sessions photos would have been done instead with a "bonus" cd of the unreleased recordings tucked into the inside cover. Painting repros would have been nice, too. (:-D As I see it this Monday morning. MG PS Thanks, Lama, for the transcription service! Much appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:20:20 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question? In a message dated 10/5/2003 6:37:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CDTraderJohn writes: > Just wondering if you could shed any light on this? John, My understanding is that this recording is this: July 7, 1969; Mississippi River Festival, Southern Illinois University - Edwardsville, IL, broadcast August 3, 1969 on PBS as "The Sounds of Summer" (this info courtesy of Simon's Appearances section on JM.com) Bob NP: Will Hoge, "Let Me Be Lonely" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:55:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #45 Step right up, everyone's a winner.... Thanks to all who guessed for my October giveaway, I am proud to fling Covers #45 frisbees to the following folks: - - Wil Comstock, who was the first Tennesean to step up; - - That wily Wombat in Oz, John Low; - - Harry Christian, my Wall-to-Wall buddy in NY My pick for this month was "Nothing Can Be Done" from Night Ride Home, both John & Harry chose "The Only Joy In Town" so they were just a hair away from being right on the money! John's been a faithful contestant from day one, so I'm tickled pink that he finally hit the bullseye. Maybe next month some of his countrymen can give him a run for it! I'll be sending the winnings out this week - congrats fellas, & also to Sue Cameron for her win. Hope you enjoy #45. And stay tuned...more to come in a month. Bob NP: Queen Ida & Her Zydeco Band, "My Girl Josephine" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:12:09 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: njc Now: Luther, Where's My Car? Vince writes: << PS Love is: I bought Gage the dvd of "Dude, where's my car." >> How generous. Isn't that the movie with Ashton Kutcher in it? Hmm, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:35:09 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Others - Azeem wrote (adding another piece of evidence to the charge that Joni lacks grace when it comes to recognizing the good work of others): > I find that really patronising - more damning with faint praise! There are > > very few musicians Joni has given what I would call *real* praise. Bob > Dylan, > Miles Davis and Laura Nyro spring immediately to mind, though I would hope > there'd be others. It's as if someone has to be *as good as her* to be > worthy of > praise, and anyone who isn't as good as her (ie just about everyone!) isn't > worthy of praise. I find the hypotheses presented by you and Steve and a couple of others in in this area credible - in all likelihood correct. However, I would ask you consider these points when evaluating Joni's remarks: 1. In a previous post, I drew an analogy that went something like this: when you are among the very best in all the major categories - composing music, composing lyrics, composing arrangements for guitar, piano and dulcimer, contributing to the advancement of a musical instrument, producing, singing and performing live, well you're like...................Tiger Woods ! 2. To reinforce my point, this month's Golf magazine has an interview with Tiger's best pal Mark O'Meara, covering Mark's accomplishments. When the topic inexorably shifts to Tiger, his remarks approximate "he's the best driver, best long iron player, best putter, best short game,......people like that only come along once in a lifetime". (It is important to note that Tiger is never number one for any year - or even close - in all of those categories - to be Tiger, he merely needs to be among the leaders in all of those categories) 3. Luckily for Tiger, golf is largely quantifiable - his superiority can be measured statistically, and in other objective ways. That does not mean he is the best every week, nor perhaps every year (though by winning again yesterday, he will probably win the money list and player of the year again, without winning a major). I have never read an interviewer ask for Tiger's opinion of a lesser player - which means anyone else - except for Jack Nicklaus, whose greatness from a different generation is unquestioned and whose records Tiger is chasing and will likely (assuming good health) surpass. He is not asked to say nice things about Phil or Ernie - if he was too gracious (like, calling those other players his peers) it would sound phony - while if he said what he was really thinking, he might sound like a cad (after all, everyone recognizes him as the greatest, couldn't he at least be a little gracious ?). 4. Joni, on the other hand, is playing a game where there are no quantifiable measures of greatness. There are quantifiable measures of popularity (which may translate into greatness in the minds of the - relatively unsophisticated, IMO - masses). Joni has been a relative flop getting that type of recognition - I'm certain it is because her work is too high level to be appreciated by the masses - so if that were the only measure of recognition, Joni would not make the top 100. Well, here's my guess on where Joni ranks herself - Number One. That disparity is bound to lodge a big dose of discontent in her craw. Other significant measures of acceptance - as recognition of greatness, if you will - include comments made and awards bestowed by those 'in the game'. Now, while Joni has been the darling of many of the critics, the accolades and wards came sort of "too little, too late". "And I have not read any of them say or write the words she longs to hear - and that I suspect many of them believe in their hearts - that she is the greatest. (Critics in subjective arenas gererally do not say things like that - it is not the nature of art, it is probably not considered professional to do so, and I would guess that most critics would worry about losing credibility with their audience if they were to come out with such an 'unpopular' evaluation anyway). Moreover, among other 'artists', while she is certainly regarded at the highest level, only a handful have come out and said it - and of those, David Crosby is the only man that I am aware of who has said it outright. Myabe Elvis Costello - did he, Bob Muller ? Not James Taylor, not Sting, not even Graham Nash - recall from the WOHAM DVD his remarks about "two very creative people vying for the piano and each other's ear". Sorry, but Graham Nash - while perhaps a 'better' person than Joni - is not Joni's peer as an artist. I do realize that other women artists worship her - including KD Lang and Melissa Ethridge - but even they have tagged the 'female' adjective onto their accolades in most cases, no ? 5. IMO, the reason Joni gets questions like that from interviewers is that they know she deserves them. In a way, they are stating what they believe but are not allowed to state - in the form of a question. As in " do you think there is anyone from this generation who is your peer" or "whom do you consider to be among your peers" (which forces her to mention Bob Dylan - whose musical composition skills are comical when juxtaposed with Joni's). It may well be their way of flattering Joni - of asking the question they think is almost rhetorical - with the answer being nobody - but it puts Joni in Jeopardy ;-) - and in practice is merely a temptation for her to trip over, as she vents her unfulfilled ego. In some cases, it may simply be an attempt by a disapproving critic who does hold her in such high regard (or dislikes her arrogance) to get her to expose her unflattering side. Either way, do you really expect her to sing the praises of Aimee Mann ? 6. In her heart, Joni probably sees comparisons of the work of lesser talents to hers as insulting to her. It would be better if she were to take the high road, recognizing that such comparisons merely reflect poorly on the taste of the person drawing them. But she is "flesh and blood", with warts and flaws, not some statue in park. It is always unrealistic to expect a goddess. Almost as unrealistic as expecting to be worshipped. ;-) Bobsart (JM admirer and apologist) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:46:46 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Joni Box Set Should have waited for the "Aging Boomers Geffen Large Print Version" MGVal@aol.com wrote: > >Well maybe 8 people because I accidentially bought mine twice. Now I have two tiny packages that I can barely read, although my pending new bifocals may help. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:42:11 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni question? Hi, Bob! And what about this appearance?: 07-19-69 Newport Folk Festival Newport RI USA PBS?-TV Broadcast as "The Sounds Of Summer '69", Nov. 1969 In fact, this fits with the date (the month, at least) currently adscribed to this *great* show, don't you think? Well, Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano np: my younger daughter attacking "Brave new world" on piano, aaaagh! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: CC: Enviado: lunes, 06 de octubre de 2003 14:20 Asunto: Re: Joni question? > In a message dated 10/5/2003 6:37:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CDTraderJohn writes: > > > Just wondering if you could shed any light on this? > > John, > > My understanding is that this recording is this: > > July 7, 1969; Mississippi River Festival, Southern Illinois > University - Edwardsville, IL, broadcast August 3, 1969 on PBS > as "The Sounds of Summer" > (this info courtesy of Simon's Appearances section on JM.com) > > Bob > > NP: Will Hoge, "Let Me Be Lonely" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:04:25 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; Enviado: lunes, 06 de octubre de 2003 4:58 Asunto: RE: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce > joni once told wally B to watch judge judy for laughs. does anybody else > remember that? > wally (K) > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > Murphycopy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Domingo, 05 de Octubre de 2003 09:42 p.m. > > Para: ljirvin@jmdl.com; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce > > > > > > Les writes: > > > > << Les, ready for the next question... >> > > > > Why yes, Les. I have a question. > > > > I have just sent a European lister my version of the history of > > Jewish humor > > in America. (Or the history of Jewish humor since I've been > > around, which is > > for most of American history . . . RIMSHOT!!!) Anyway, I was > > wondering . . . > > has Joni ever mentioned any comedians or TV shows or films or > > anything at all -- > > in a mass-cultural sort of way -- that make her laugh? > > > > Thank you, > > > > --Curious in Boston ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:04:46 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: october 6!!!!! njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; Enviado: lunes, 06 de octubre de 2003 8:55 Asunto: october 6!!!!! njc > happy birthday, darice! > love, > wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:09:25 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question? > Hi, Bob! > And what about this appearance?: > 07-19-69 Newport Folk Festival Newport RI USA PBS?-TV > Broadcast as > "The Sounds Of Summer '69", Nov. 1969 As I said, my understanding is that the recording in question is from the Mississippi River Festival. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:31:48 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question? There was also a vinyl bootleg of this recording released as "Lennie & Dom Songs (Early On)", matter of fact there's a copy up for grabs on ebay now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2563135473&category=1075 Who are Lennie & Dom? I have no idea. I do know that Simon has done a tremendous amount of research on this recording so I'd be anxious to see if he could clarify any of these details. Bob NP: New Colony Six, "At The River's Edge" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:58:01 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re:Lakota Subject: Re: Perma-Vine Offer Closed Why haven't we unearthed a video of this???? - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Perma-Vine Offer Closed > SUBJECT: Vine Offer Closed > > Hi all, > > Please see below for a CORRECTED description of this show based on > newly received information. > > I have decided to take 3 Perma-Viners instead of two. The first > recipients of this vine are: > > Emiliano Patiqo emilianopd@mundo-r.com Spain > Paul Peterson ppeterson4@nyc.rr.com New York > Linda Crawford sewbead@starband.net Georgia > > I will mail these discs within the next few days. Re-offerings should > begin to appear on JMDL within about one week. > > To avoid confusion, I have posted the Perma-Vine rules below. > > Enjoy, > John in Massachusetts > > > > > > PERMA-VINE RULES: > 1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF > and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the > next > recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method > ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show > directly off the original disc. > > 2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. (NOTE: Please give > digesters ample opportunity to respond, too.) Once you have selected the > next recipient, you must post their name, e-mail and state/country to the JMDL > list. (A typical closing post would read: Vine Offer Closed. John Smith > (johnsmith@abc.com) has agreed to continue this Vine on JMDL). If, after TWO > postings within a 48-hour period, there is no response, you may then, and only > then, > post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you MUST post an announcement > to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred this Perma-Vine to. > > 3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show > available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, > cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an > offer(s) on > JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the > original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You must post the name, > e-mail and state/country of the burnerless recipient to the JMDL list. > Additionally, you may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have > forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. You are not required > to post > subsequent trades or B+P's to the list > > 4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer > than 72 hours before re-offering. > > 5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! > > > Here is the track information: > > Joni Mitchell > > PBS-TV > Los Angeles > November 30, 1969?? > > [*** NOTE: Bob Muller indicates this show is most likely from July 7, 1969; > Mississippi River Festival, Southern Illinois University - Edwardsville, IL, > broadcast August 3, 1969 on PBS as "The Sounds of Summer" as indicated on > Simon's site. However, the same site also mentions the following: 07-19-69 > Newport Folk Festival Newport RI USA PBS?-TV Broadcast as "The Sounds Of > Summer > '69", Nov. 1969. In the absence of setlists for the above performances, I > would > expect Bob's information is correct.] > > > 11) Chelsea Morning > 12) Cactus Tree > 13) Night in the City > 14) Marcie/Nathan LaFraneer > 15) Two Houses (medley: Rainy Night House/Blue Boy) > 16) For Free > 17) Get Together > 18) The Fiddle and the Drum > 19) I Think I Understand > 20) Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:04:38 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question? Muller writes: << Who are Lennie & Dom? >> Lennie "Sticky" Stickney and Dom Black were a vaudeville comedy team known as Sticky and Black who are alleged to have a great influence on Joni. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:28:40 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question? NJC > Lennie "Sticky" Stickney and Dom Black were a vaudeville comedy team known as > Sticky and Black who are alleged to have a great influence > on Joni. Thanks Bob! You know what they say, ask a stupid question... By the way I saw in the paper that there's an opening in Vegas that you might qualify for...Siegfried & Smurf has a nice ring doncha think? Bob NP: Beaver Patrol, "ESP" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:30:53 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Godpell NJC For those who may be interested, here are a couple of pics from the production of Godspell that I did in August on the school's website: http://www.sjhigh.org/school_news/event.php?name=godspell&photo=1&total=6 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:34:51 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question? NJC Muller writes: << Siegfried & Smurf has a nice ring doncha think? >> Yes, but I am allergic to cats! And another thing . . . I am sorry to say that I have done lots of writing work in the past for the Mirage -- home of Siegfried & Roy -- and other casinos. But the way the Mirage wasted absolutely no time in laying off the 200+ people associated with the S & R show really sickens me. I would never work for them again. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:37:14 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni is a miracle >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:04:32 +0100 >From: "StephenToogood" >Subject: Re: Joni and the other Girls >Yes it does amaze me how out of touch Joni is with so much good music. I >mean she grumbles when hers doesn't get much attention. >I also feel sorry for her because I'm sure it must have been really hard. I >mean she accomplished a lot as and for a woman in the industry and many >woman less talented than her kick her ass when it comes to record sales. >Alanis for example: 'Jagged Little Pill' has sold a ridiculous amount. Yes >it has a lot of emotion in it and yeah it's pretty good but it sure as hell >has proved to be less timeless! For me anyway because I rarely listen to it >now. Also Alanis didn't put as much into that record as Joni puts into >hers. >Of course Joni is like a miracle and other artist can't help that. That about sums it up. . . . . J o n i is a m i r a c l e . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:38:35 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: njc Where's My Car? keep your smut comments to yourself, Ethel. DWMC is a fun movie to watch with a kid. (For what you are suggesting, you need the Rolling Stone cover of Ashton Kutcher, not that movie.) Vince writes: << PS Love is: I bought Gage the dvd of "Dude, where's my car." >> How generous. Isn't that the movie with Ashton Kutcher in it? Hmm, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:44:19 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Godpell NJC In a message dated 10/6/2003 11:32:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > http://www.sjhigh.org/school_news/event.php?name=godspell&photo=1&total=6 > Thanks for the photos Bob. It looks like a talented bunch of kids and you make a great Jesus. Did I see Victor in one of those photos? :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:46:51 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Godpell NJC "Godspell" star Bob Muller writes: << here are a couple of pics from the production of Godspell that I did >> Talk about job openings in Vegas, Muller -- you've already got the white costume! I bet Siegfried would love you. (And the tigers, too!) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:54:58 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC Godpell NJC Totally cool Joni-Bob!! Sure wish i could have seen it live! On another note - I'm on the eastmountainsouth mailing list and saw that they were in your town on 10/5 (?) with Joan Baez. Did you see them? db >>> 10/6/2003 10:30:53 AM >>> For those who may be interested, here are a couple of pics from the production of Godspell that I did in August on the school's website: http://www.sjhigh.org/school_news/event.php?name=godspell&photo=1&total=6 This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:53:37 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Godpell/sjc in the np In a message dated 10/6/2003 11:32:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: http://www.sjhigh.org/school_news/event.php?name=godspell&photo=1&total=6 Thanks so much for sharing those pics! It makes me want to get involved with community theater when I see a gathering of energetic, talented and creative souls of all ages. I'm still smiling! Were any of the youngsters Joni converts? I really have to give you some "props" for being so involved in communities of all kinds. I guess we could add that to the top of the list of "what works for depression:" staying engaged with life... Ken np/innocence mission, our harry btw, Joni did have good things to say about The Innocence Mission's debut and about Karin Perris, the lead singer. It's she who sings with Joni on Cherokee Louise. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:14:15 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Godspell/sjc in the np > I'm still smiling! Were any of the youngsters Joni converts? > Don't know as I converted any of them, Ken. We had to get this show up in running in 3 weeks so there wasn't much time...it took about that length of time just to convince them that I was cooler than the average 45-year-old, but it helped that 3 other parents were also in the cast. >I guess we could add that to the top of the list of "what >works for depression:" staying > engaged with life... Amen! That's pretty much it. Bob NP: The California Suns, "Masked Grandma" PS: Don't know about your Innocence Mission question - sounds like one for our new "Answer Man" Les Irvin! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:19:41 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: American Indian song subject Mia added >>Joni is also part Native American Indian However, Joni admits that she >>does have Indian blood in her, and this is something that she was taught >>to deny while growing up. She explains that there was a sort of caste >>system in Canada, and that everyone who had part Indian blood was taught to deny it.<< Mike asks if anyone can give any further information on Joni's Native American blood/line. Is there objective proof of this? Where exactly does she say this? mike in barcelona *** I've only heard Joni speak about it once, and that was during a Toronto interactive performance on a show called MuchMusic. I watched it again last night, and yes, she definitely admits to having Indian Blood. It sounds like she must have traced her family line, or have been told by a relative at one point. But her parents always told her because she had blue eyes and blonde hair that this could not be true. If you've ever taken a biology class, you can understand that this actually occurs all the time based on how genes operate. At the end of the segment, after explaining how she was taught to deny it by her parents, she jokingly tries to defend her parents, now that the cat is out of the bag, and says something like, okay mom and dad, I'm a liar, we don't really have it. I kinda feel like I'm experiencing the same thing with my own family. I had a friend once who was really into geneology. She asked me about my maiden name, which is Gross, and told me that I probably have a Jewish background. Well, this kind of floored me, my paternal grandfather coming from a large farm family of fourteen, all devout Catholics. One of his brothers was a Catholic priest. My friend explained that many Jewish immigrants from Europe settled here in the 1800's and changed their religion to fit in. I immediately leafed through the phone directory and found lots of Rabbi Gross's. Then when I asked my family about it, the response was "No, Gross is German, not Jewish." But that makes no sense to me. Aren't there also German Jews? You can't compare a religion to a country. I asked other paternal relatives and got the same response "No, Gross is German, not Jewish" which leaves me suspicious. Has this statement been drilled into their heads over the years? Nobody seems to want to explore the issue. I love my family dearly, but would also like to get a straight answer from someone. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:47:48 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: American Indian song subject -- NJC Mia writes: << Nobody seems to want to explore the issue. I love my family dearly, but would also like to get a straight answer from someone. >> Ha! Families being what they are with regard to secrets and all -- good luck! It was only in the last couple of years that my sister found out from an elderly aunt that our paternal grandfather was an ordained Roman Catholic priest! And we still haven't gotten to the bottom of the story. Did he leave the priesthood because he fell in love with my maternal grandmother? Was he defrocked? Did Bridget get that belly by her parish priest? Whatever the story was, I am sure it was a scandal in the early part of the 20th century. But still, shouldn't someone have mentioned it somewhere along the line? And I don't even want to bother going to the Archdiocese of Boston to ask about it, given their record of cover-ups and lies! Also, regarding Iron Eyes Cody from "Lakota" . . . I think I learned here -- and it bears repeating while we're talking about him -- that he was also an actor who was famous for playing the Native American in the canoe in the well-known anti-pollution or anti-litter American TV spot from the '70s. Remember? It was the commercial where the final shot is of him with a tear running down his face. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:45:17 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Suzanne Vega and Joni Hi Frederick I haven't go 99.9 F yet but I have a few of the tracks from the recent best of and really love them! It makes me think a bit of what Madonna has been putting out the past couple of years - acoustic guitar mixed with kind of hi-tec sounds. I think Mitchell Froom did a lot for her music though I love her debut. So far my fave tracks are from the '9 Objects Of Desire' album which I also must get! I don't think Vega has too much in common with Joni. I think Azeem was saying how there vocal styles are not comparable - Vega doesn't sing from as deep down as Joni (Joni usually takes a deep breath). I do however like Vega's voice and love the way she pronounces some things. I think she sites her biggest influences as being Leonard Cohen and Laura Nyro. PS: Me and a couple of people might be going to Seattle in early 2005! Do you like where you live? We want lots to do 'cos we'd be going for 2 weeks. The other possible places are San Francisco and Toronto. Peace ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" > Vega has generated good, solid, original music from the get go -- > peaking, especially, with her album 99.9 F, which, owning a LOT to her > husband, Mitchell Froom, kicks some serious ass -- trenchant > songwriting, great tunes, creepy, edgy production...love it. If anyone > here missed that one, dig it up -- you'll be surprised. I think J. > Mitchell dised Vega because of all the comparisons that were going down > at the time -- as a way to throw the whole thing off her back; still, > not very gracious or truthful on her part. > Frederick (on a moody, misty, autumnal Seattle dusk -- something right > of Hejira!) > > NP: Jeanne Lee and Mal Waldron's After Hours ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:55:09 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce I think Joni is just very defensive because she doesn't like to be associated with anyone considered more mainstream. I have not heard that much Springsteen to be honest just the radio stuff. She likes to think of herself as more Jazz. Joni's music is lots of things to me. Notice though that her comment about Bruce was less snipey because he is a man! NP: The Archetypal Man (live) - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" To: Cc: "Rose M. Joy" ; "_JMDL" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: RE: Tracy and Joni and Mariah and Jewel and now Bruuuuuuuce > Yes. I don't recall the interview but I distinctly remember reading (not > hearing) her say "He shows real songwriting craftsmanship." Something very > close to that. Joni "gets" it. She practically called him "old school". > > Then she said, "The Boss is more like an honorary woman, really," unless I > made that up. > > Lama > > Rose are you saying that the E Streeters have been touring for 18 months and > now they're finished? > > > > From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] > > Women aside, I think someone who is in Joni's league as an > > overall "creator" > > of music -- i.e., songwriter, composer, musician, vocalist, > > performer, etc. -- > > is Bruuuuce. (Hi, Rosie.) I was wondering . . . has Joni ever > > dissed him? Has > > she said anything at all about him? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:01:51 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: njc Where's My Car? That film is so dumb but I think I would watch anything with Ashton Kutcher in! ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: njc Where's My Car? > keep your smut comments to yourself, Ethel. > > DWMC is a fun movie to watch with a kid. > > (For what you are suggesting, you need the Rolling Stone > cover of Ashton Kutcher, not that movie.) > > > Vince writes: > > << PS Love is: I bought Gage the dvd of "Dude, where's my > car." >> > > How generous. Isn't that the movie with Ashton Kutcher in > it? > > Hmm, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:03:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Another honour for Joni The Folk Music's Canadian Walk of Fame inducted Joni as one of its first 5 inductees. Extry extry, read all about it: http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=F088920F-8B0A-4D13-9864-E0537E06E396 Bob NP: Dick Dale & His Del-Tones, "The Victor" (no not our Victor) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:58:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested >Ultimately, I think it should be about solving and fixing the issues and problems and not the party at this point. Kakki< absoltutely, & i've voted for a liberal republican before so i have no issue with voting for someone who identifies as a republican if their experience & ideas are in line with mine...but AS is certainly not that...i have an extremely hard time understanding how people could even consider him as a serious candidate much less vote for him...he is playing a terminator role & people are confusing reality with fantasy...politics has some low moments but this one is definately a cesspool...seems to me that if he wins (not by the most votes but by a technicality) there will be so much animosity & backlash it is hard to see how anything will be fixed... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:27:58 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC Kate wrote: > aren't those registration fees tax deductible? I think they might be but I can't see how it would help people much, especially those who don't have enough write-offs to begin with. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:35:29 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Kate, I would never presume to try to convince you to vote for Arnold. Lots of republicans have a problems with him, too. I think the whole thing is reflective of how much people are fed up and desperate for a change. They'd rather have Joe citizen who has a strong personality and will and a grasp of peoples' concerns taking a shot at it than the usual career politicians and bureaucrats at this point. It helps that he is independently quite wealthy which gives a perception that he would not be in it for the money. He has also been involved in political issues for years, such as starting the after-school program, helping to run the Special Olympics, head of physical fitness for two different presidential administrations and he has run succesful businesses in the state for years. He's not just an idiot bodybuilder and he is more qualified in overall experience than Jesse Ventura. That said, I do understand your reservations about it all. I think positive things will come out of this whole experience. People are already starting to educate themselves more on the issues and problems CA faces and that awareness is long overdue. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:39:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni cracks me up... lori: >It must be one of the most depressing, disheartening things for a singer-songwriter to be dissed by Joni Mitchell. Didn't it make Alanis Morrisette cry?< i would never want joni to hear my music for that very reason...the dissing of other artists says more about the person who criticizes than it does about the artist imo...as much as i admire joni for so many things, this is something that i have never respected... music is not about who is better or who is smarter, etc...to me, music is about what moves me... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:59:24 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: budget shortfalls njc Marianne, I'm way behind on email and just read this. This was not from me - I haven't kept up on other states at all ;-) > >"It's not just Gray Davis. Though not currently facing recall, many of the > >nation's governors face no-win situations. Can they survive?...Forty-seven > >of the nation's 50 governors are staring at budget shortfalls this fiscal > >year totaling $80 billion, forcing them to slash popular programs or raise > >taxes. None so far is threatened with being ousted by a recall like the one > >Davis faces..." (kakki, I think) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:00:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Godpell NJC BOB!!! did you DYE your hair? you still look so much like james caan (in his younger days, of course...) thanks for the pics -- i was looking forward to them. love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Enviado el: Lunes, 06 de Octubre de 2003 12:31 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: NJC Godpell NJC > > > For those who may be interested, here are a couple of pics > from the production of Godspell that I did in August on the > school's website: > > http://www.sjhigh.org/school_news/event.php?name=godspell&photo=1&total=6 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:04:44 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Godspell NJC > BOB!!! did you DYE your hair? Heavens no! Keeping up with the JMDL has caused it to go darn near totally white - Dios mio! :~) Thanks for the Caan comparison which I take as a compliment. Bob NP: The Third Bardo, "I'm Five Years Ahead Of My Time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:49:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and the other Girls njc bree>>Yes..thanks to the list and particularily Kate for turning me on to Patty Griffiin.<<< this list is so good for that, i'm happy you like patty as much as i do bree...in a perfect world patty would be a superduperstar...i'm hearing great things about the dar, patty, chapin, shawn tour, especially the one in boston...will/has anyone hear attend/ed? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:02:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: october 6!!!!! njc happiest of birthdays to you darice & i am so sorry i did not know you would be at the valley concert with cpr & neil! but it sounds like you had a fun trip, let me know next time you are down this way! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #505 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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