From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #501 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 501 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Pirates of Penance and No Apologies ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] American Indian song subject njc ["Kate Bennett" ] joni & the moon ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: mri njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: duds njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: American Indian song subject njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] budget shortfalls njc ["Kate Bennett" ] why do i do this [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: mri njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: mri njc [Catherine McKay ] "Lakota", the story behind the song... ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:32:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies Yes, yes, the singing is spot on, but she uses entirely too many notes. Paraphrase from "AMADEUS" and fighting off bronchitis for 3 weeks, Lama P.S., It's 3 weeks and still COUNTING... np: A HARD DAY'S NIGHT video and I'm gradually remembering why I've never in all this time sat all the way through it. And here I sit, catching up on email between the songs! > Not to mention, the vocal performance is pedal-point singing, hard to pull off and flawlessly executed....> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:49:30 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! njc really Mac, Way to represent! Will you take the show on the road, then? Eh? Is there anything special in last year's McCartney DVD, BACK IN THE USA? I have the DVD called Wingspan. If I mail it to you will you mail it back eventually? It has about 30 seconds of silent film inside the LET IT BE session and a great, complete, full-on live video performance of "Jet" from the old days. Do you remember how great it was to finally have a solo Beatle rocking out on the radio again? Lama, np at full volume, the HARD DAY'S NIGHT video ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:03:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge now njc happy birthday brian symes! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:03:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: mri njc >There's a lot of push to doing MRI these days, which is well and good, but it's not necessarily the answer to everything. Everyone wants one these days and there aren't enough gov't-funded ones around (same here as in the UK).< jeff had one a couple of years ago at the recommendation of the dr...for get this- ringing in his ears...to rule out ... what?!... i don't know, the insurance paid nothing...a huge waste of $$ ... i think they use it just to cover their own arses... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:14:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: American Indian song subject njc >She explains that there was a sort of caste system in Canada, and that everyone who had part Indian blood was taught to deny it. Very sad, if you ask me.< same thing happened to me re my irish blood, while never told to deny it is something my grandmother never mentioned- it was always about her english background til one day i discovered a news article about our irish ancestors coming from ireland...quite liberating to me to find that out as i'd always been drawn to the music & culture... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:14:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni & the moon >I think she also tied her belief to some Native American prediction about man on the moon. Sorry, but that's all I remember. Maybe someone else knows the interview am talking about. < i heard hopi elder thomas bynanca (sp?) speak many moons (!) ago...about this very subject & a prophesy that we should not take anything back with us from the moon or it would bring about disaster...the prophecy may be in 'book of the hopi' ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:26:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mri njc Subject: Re: duds njc Bob wrote: > > That being said, I really don't think Joni truly made any "duds" either, I > just used that particular word to stimulate defensive conversation, Bob, you have touched my heart. You can't lose with me. Would never doubt a move you made. mack np: gino-nightwalker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:31:57 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: American Indian song subject njc Fair Katie writes: << same thing happened to me re my irish blood >> Me, too! Until one day someone said, "Your name is MURPHY, lunkhead!" Then I finally understood what the grandfather with the brogue was all about. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:34:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: budget shortfalls njc here is some of the pie picture...in billions- (when you see it on a graph its pretty dramatic): $399- pentagon 41- children's health $34- k-12 education $10- humanitarian foreign aid $7- head start $2- reduce reliance on oil if we were to reduce our spending on obsolete cold war weapons, the savings would provide enough to provide: head start for all eligible US kids, healthcare for all uninsured US kids, rebuild US schools over 10 years, achieve energy independence with clean technology, double US humanitarian aid to poor countries, reduce debts of impovershed nations (is california a nation?) marianne >And this problem comes from somehere. . . IT'S ALL A BIG PIECE OF A PIE. ie. We are spending a huge portion on the military. . and everythiing else suffers.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:49:26 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: why do i do this happy birthday brian!!! Question - If Bob Muller made a 10 song list that he felt would make up <'Duds' (the CD), would anyone enjoy listening to it ? I'd take a chance ;-) dang right i would!!! in my 36 yrs. i've never seen Miss Joni live, i've seen her live on video, but that doesn't really count, i know. with my limited knowledge of the living honesty of the Queen, who am i to say a word. you all have so much inside info on the genious, and i just have second hand news. what i've seen and heard in it's store bought manner. i've looked in her tape recorded eyes and seen love, love for her listeners, love for her gift, love for more and hope that "we'll" love it too. i see her wondering how she is gonna reach the people who aren't listening or watching, the ones who dance with her at the clubs to music most joni fans couldn't sit thru. "how do i speak to the soul of the universe without losing those who i have touched already?". i see a woman who has fears and knows she could stay the same, but that's not the person who proved to the dr's that they were wrong when they said she'd never walk again. the woman has big bold brass ones. no wonder bob dylan said what he did. more than just a woman of heart and mind, not that a man is, but the combination of the two are. i look in the photograph of this woman's eyes and see... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mri njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > > jeff had one a couple of years ago at the > recommendation of the dr...for get > this- ringing in his ears...to rule out ... > what?!... Acoustic neuroma, maybe? >i don't know, the > insurance paid nothing...a huge waste of $$ ... i > think they use it just to > cover their own arses... I'd say you're about right there! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mri njc --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > A local Dr. friend of mine told me that they do more > MRI's in Greenville > County alone in the span of 1 year than they do in > all of Canada! I agree that > it's an overprescribed thing. > It certainly is the test du jour. Now, as for more being prescribed in Greenville County than in all of Canada, that could easily be right, but there are a number of reasons for that. Canadians, by and large, are used to what you would call socialized medicine. Most Canadians wouldn't pay out of their own pocket for an expensive test like this. In fact, we get lots of people squawking about being asked to pay $15 for a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test. Our health insurance (in Ontario anyway) will cover this test only under certain conditions (to track existing and already-diagnosed cancers, but not as a test to see if someone has cancer). That's because the docs tell us it's not a very useful diagnostic tool in detecting new cancers, but it is good for tracking the progress of already-diagnosed cancers. And yet there are those docs and patients who believe it is a useful diagnostic tool and that, therefore, it should be covered for this as well. (And if you recall, I whine about paying $5 for a blood lab fee - a. because I'm cheap and b. because I resent being nickel-and-dimed because the gov't has frozen what it pays to labs for these tests for years and has decided it's OK for them to charge a "user" fee in this case User fees, as a rule, are illegal - but they get around it by calling it something else, so it ain't *really* a user fee, if you get my drift.) So, you get to things like MRIs which are expensive friggin' machines to buy and install, and they need their own special rooms to hold them and we're talking big bucks. So, our gov't has been reluctant to fork out a few million bucks for each one of these machines. And yet, everyone wants one! They're great for looking at soft-tissue damage or things like MS and maybe a whole lo more. So yeah, we have them, but we don't have a lot so, if you want to have an MRI done, you have to wait. And while many hospitals have put in requests for capital funds to get these, the gov't farts around and comes up with more reasons to not do this right away. Like, we've got to do a needs study, and a this study, and a that study (in the meantime, giving people those tax breaks they apparently wanted so badly - which is great, because if *I* don't need an MRI, what do I care? Send me my tax rebate and I'll buy a new TV.) Whereas, in the US, anyone with the bucks can build one of these things, and anyone else with the bucks and a hankering for the latest test, can get it done, no waiting. And you can bet your sweet ass the docs who refer someone to the XYZ MRI clinic get some kind of kickback for each referral. Here, the kickbacks work in different ways, but they're still there. If you go to a specialist on your own, health insurance will pay one amount. But if you're referred by another doctor, health insurance will pay the specialist even more. The result is, you can't see a specialist until you've gone to a GP - not that the gov't says it has to go this way, but if you can get $100 for seeing someone directly, vs $125 for having them referred to you, and you're doing exactly the same work, what would you do? (Oh yeah, and the GP gets some too.) Must stop talking political talk... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:30:04 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Lakota", the story behind the song... I'm not gonna mess around with inserting jokes into the liner notes anymore. Here's the best story I've read yet in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. About "Lakota", Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who is a Macatek Indian. His name is Federico. He owned a shop down the street from where we were recording in Santa Monica. I went in to see him one afternoon before going to work on this song and he told me there was an Indian artifact show at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium opening at 5 o'clock that afternoon. He said, "There's gonna be some great stuff there like hummingbird baskets." Hummingbird and eagle feathers are illegal now, like elephant ivory, and would have to be sold under the counter. Federico said I should go early and meet him there because he knew the merchants and they would show me those rare old things. So, at 4 o'clock, I told Shipley and Klein, "I want to leave for an hour," and Klein said, "Joan-Joan, we need you here!" In all my recording career, this is the only time I can recall that I was in the studio and wanted to be someplace else. I told them I would only be gone for an hour. Again they protested. Just then the machines went down and I said, "Okay! Down time!" and I borrowed ten dollars and a watch and promised to be back in an hour. I left. Inside the Santa Monica Civic, this woman came up to me, stuck a 16mm (film) camera in my face and asked, "What are you here for?" I looked into the lens and said, "I'm here to look at the artifacts and I can't stay very long." She asked, still filming, "Do you know Iron Eyes Cody?" I said, "No." "Would you like to meet him?" "Okay," I say. Up comes Iron Eyes Cody wearing a grey braided wig (he'd gone bald) tied like a bonnet under his chin. He had on gobs of turquoise. I say to him, "Do you know any Indian songs?" And he says, "Well yes, I know a few." And I say, "Would you sing me on?" Now we're standing in the aisle of this Indian show, he tilts back his head and goes, "Hey-ya-ho-ho, hey-ya-ho, hey-ya-ho, hey-ya, hey-ya," and I'm delighted. Now I say to him, "What are you doing right now?" And he says, "Well I'm going to dinner with some people at 9 o'clock." I say, "I'm recording nearby. It's a song about the Lakota and the Black Hills. Would you come and sing on it?" And he says, "You want me to overdub?" So I come back to the studio. I'm 20 minutes late. I come back with four Indians and a film crew. The machine is still down, but Klein and Shipley give me the stink-eye anyway, like I broke my promise. They finally fix the machine and we play back "Lakota" for Iron Eyes. He listens with his eyes closed and when it's over, he says, "Oh, it's got the haunting! I think you're turning Indian! You want me to overdub?" So, Iron Eyes Cody overdubs his beautiful song. He has just finished when we hear this clap of thunder. He and I rush to the back door and standing on the back steps, we see coming down the telephone wire - a golden ball of lightning - riding on the lines and its coming straight at the building. I run into the studio and yell, "Get the tapes off the heads!" That electrical storm was only in Santa Monica - nowhere else in L.A. I'd never seen ball lightning before. I haven't seen it since." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:45:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: mri njc Catherine writes: << And you can bet your sweet ass the docs who refer someone to the XYZ MRI clinic get some kind of kickback for each referral. >> Kickbacks! Who needs kickbacks when so many testing facilities, from blood labs to MRI clinics, are owned or co-owned by the doctors who send you there! --Bob, who misses Henny Youngman's doctor jokes. Like the one about the time he went to the doctor and complained, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." So the doctor said, "Don't do that." Or the time the doctor told him he had a month to live. "I want a second opinion," he demanded. "Okay," the doctor said, "you're ugly, too." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:41:37 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Duds Bob Muller replied: > If you had no knowledge of Joni's music and listened only to my 10-track > "Duds" CD, I doubt that you'd listen any further. I'm afraid I agree. But I still don't have your list to confirm for sure :-) What songs did you send Leah to make her a Joni convert? Anything remotely resembling a dud? Well, that's an interesting question. Over the years, Leah had been exposed to all of Joni's stuff, and had rejected it (pretty much did not like Joni's voice, and may have resented the attention I gave her). Then, from time to time, I'd bring up a Joni song in context of our discussion and read her the lyrics. She conceded circa Christmas (while home from Paris on vacation) after a few such episodes that she liked Joni's lyrics. That's when I started sending her the 'songs of the day' (which she liked), in chronological order. When she visited again circa March, I played a few songs for her on the guitar from the first 3 albums, and she said "all right, burn me some CD's to take back with me to Paris". I burned the first 6 studio albums, plus the JT concert and Hits. So, I guess the answer is "at least one dud - by your standards - but not many". For the record, Leah fell in love with the LOTC CD first (Just Like Me). Then she got blown away by Down to You. She was pretty ambivalent about Blue for a few months. Then, in August, she went on a vacation with her boyfriend to the south of France - he is sort of a music snob, and was initially dismissive of Joni's music. When he fell in love with Blue, she followed. She was home for a month and just took some more CD's back with her to Oxford (where she is just starting grad school), including Hejira (which she liked when I played it on a 90 minute drive to my parents') and THOSL (which she hated in years past when I tried out a song or two on her, but now seems to like also). I do not think she has tried to get into the 80's and later stuff yet (though as I said she has been exposed to it). Bobsart PS - maybe she'll become a UK JMDL'er some day ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:12:52 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Good Friends" in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS This may be the most frightening Joni story I've ever read. In her notes on "Good Friends" in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS, Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This song went through several rewrites. In the first draft, I wrote a line that went "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident, you get minor cuts and bruises that's all You can hammer out the dents." Then I rewrote it: "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident, there is chaos to the order, random things you can't prevent." One night after mixing this song, Klein and I were driving home to Malibu. We had just gotten off of the Santa Monica freeway and onto the PCH - which, in the summer, is the most dangerous road in California. It's full of drunk teenagers, coming back from the beach. That night a drunk kid ran into us. He was passed out at the wheel. He nailed us head on and totaled our car. My hard head went through the windsheild. We were taken to the hospital where Klein took 16 stitches in his tongue and six hours later, we were sent home in a taxi. We were approaching the site of our accident. Broken glass was strewn about - glinting in the morning light. I said to the cab driver, "Oh look, there's our glaaaa...s." Just as I was saying that, the car next to us swerved out of control and we had to dodge to miss it. So within six hours, we nearly bit it again on the same spot, as if something hovered there - laying in wait. We made a video of this song with some animators who lived in Portland (Oregon, USA). We went up there to meet with them and we were sitting in a Vietnamese restaurant decideing what the accident should look like on film. We conceived of the car rolling on its side with the trunk and the doors flapping. At 11 o'clock, we left the restaurant. The driver pulled out without looking. There was a screech of brakes. I looked out the back window and saw a car coming at us sideways. He skidded. When he straightened out, he was so pissed-off that he chased us for 25 minutes through the streets of Portland. My hands were in the prayer position in the back window pleading for hime to calm down, calm down. We're sorry. We're sorry. It was an accident! In the following month, every time I drove," change came at me", threatening an accident. Time after time my car was nicked or grazed or rammed. Finally I stopped driving altogether. Then we went to England and the pattern broke. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay close to your loved ones when you play "Good Friends". All the best, Lama PS, Special note to the west coast: Don't miss Robin Williams on the Letterman show. He did 8 minutes on The Tour de France and had me laughing the whole time. He even worked in a reference to one of Dave's jokes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:14:00 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 4 On October 4 the following article was published: 1998: "The Hissing of a Living Legend" - New York Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=231 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:36:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC aren't those registration fees tax deductible? its been a few years since i did my own taxes but that is what i remember...or some of it certainly was... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #501 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)