From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #500 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 500 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Celebrate Paul Wellstone Music Day on October 25th. NJC ["Kate Bennett" <] 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge [BRIANASYMES@aol] Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge [David Sadow] for brian njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] swing out sister njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! ["Susan E McNamara] Re: health service? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge now njc [Cat] Re: Alt Joni draft 2 (ignore if you're not following the thesaurus project) [AzeemAK@aol] Re: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! [SCJoniGuy@aol] Re: Sundry comments...(Covers) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni duds ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested [SCJoniGuy@aol] Re: Duds [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fw: crystal waters question njc (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Fw: swing out sister njc (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] re: American Indian song subject ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Girl In The Picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Girl In The Picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Joni duds ["mia ortlieb" ] Dancing Clown ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Joni duds [Murphycopy@aol.com] Moon? [] Re: Dancing Clown [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Sundry comments...(Covers) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: budget shortfalls njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! ["Wally Kairuz] Re: budget shortfalls njc [lfye@cresapartners.com] RE: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! [Susan McNamar] Re: joni mitchel "duds" [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] last chance lost ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [Susan McNamara ] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [Susan McNamara ] Re: last chance lost [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [Susan McNamara ] Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] (NJC) Talking 'bout immigration ... (Margaret Cho) [lfye@cresapartners.co] lakota ["Marianne Rizzo" ] CA Recall (and car tax) NJC [Darice ] Re: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Judee Sill njc ["StephenToogood" ] Re: lakota (NJC) [Emiliano ] Re: budget shortfalls njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:53:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Celebrate Paul Wellstone Music Day on October 25th. NJC Celebrate Paul Wellstone Music Day on October 25th. http://www.wellstoneworldmusicday.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 03:17:55 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge I made it to 50 years 10-02-53. I met a man who told me a story of meeting Dylan Thomas in an NYC bar drinking whiskey with an Egg in the glass, Dylan Thomas died in 53 of course. He had another story of hiring Bob Dylan to play in an NYC club. My story is of visiting the Check Mate for folk music and getting wired on Coca Cola "hey I was a 6'-0" tall skinny white ass teenager" all night and after the Folk stuff was over Chicago electric blue players "of the Muddy Waters family" would show up.and they would play till 3 or 4 in the morning. Joni probably stayed at the club and met these Chicago Cats. Bob Dylan's early "Electric" recordings do sound so similar to these 60's Chess bands I cannot but recall the dark smoky electric blues I heard at this club. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 02:24:52 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge My grandfather used to drink beer with a raw egg in the glass... looked like pretty horrible stuff to me, I was never sure why he did that... BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: >I made it to 50 years 10-02-53. I met a man who told me a story of meeting >Dylan Thomas in an NYC bar drinking whiskey with an Egg in the glass, Dylan >Thomas died in 53 of course. He had another story of hiring Bob Dylan to play in >an NYC club. >My story is of visiting the Check Mate for folk music and getting wired on >Coca Cola >"hey I was a 6'-0" tall skinny white ass teenager" all night and after the >Folk stuff was over Chicago electric blue players "of the Muddy Waters family" >would show up.and they would play till 3 or 4 in the morning. Joni probably >stayed at the club and met these Chicago Cats. Bob Dylan's early "Electric" >recordings do sound so similar to these 60's Chess bands I cannot but recall the >dark smoky electric blues I heard at this club. >Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 05:07:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: for brian njc happy birthday, brian! wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 05:13:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: swing out sister njc why is swing out sister so underrated in the US? i've been listening to SOS for years and i just LOVE the band's sound and style! and isn't corinne drewery the chic-est person on earth? wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! Just thought I would report back on the GREAT turnout we had for the open mike. There were so many people signing up to sing that we had to limit to one song a piece. Unfortunately the sound guy never showed so we couldn't record the event but it was very memorable in any case. The first act was a local musician named Joe Gaylord who played (you might want to sit down for this) The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay!!!!! An amazing version with the audience adding wolf howls! Other highlights included a sweet high school student who did a goosebump a cappela version of The Last Time I Saw Richard. Another a cappela group (3 women) performed Carey, which was also right on. The musical talent was pretty high and we had the treat of listening to a number of great versions of You Turn Me On I'm a Radio, Coyote, A Case of You, Cactus Tree, All I Want, and Urge For Going. We had a great mix of men and women play and Chris another local musician played a great version of Silky Veils of Ardor and a guy named Barry played a soft version of Marcie. Gavin played That Song About the Midway. The crowd was stoked with Joniphiles obviously because anytime there was a slight absence of "what's the next line" which always happens with Joni tunes there was somebody right on the money to call out the verse. I played Magdalene Laundries and Patti played a beautiful version of Hejira. My husband Joe played his Only Joni parody song to the tune of "Only the Lonely" [orbison] which was really funny. I'll send the lyrics later so you can check them out. Clearly Ithaca loves Joni Mitchell, so we will probably do an Only Joni Open Mike II sometime in the near future. take care, sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: health service? njc --- tantra-apso wrote: > I am going for my myocardial perfusion test on > Tuesday and Thursday next > week. ... This THIRD > cardiologist also said > the problem was not my heart but my spine. yet still > I am going for this > test and no one was lookingh into what is wrong with > my spine. Colin. It's good to hear from you. Someone on the list suggested a chiropractor. Have you ever gone to one or considered doing so? Might not be a bad idea. Just IMO, but I think that doctors rely more on presenting medicine as pure science and leave out the art part. They set themselves up as all-knowing gods and we allow that to happen. Maybe if thee (and we) saw them more as partners in a personal health care plan, then things would go much better. There's a lot of push to doing MRI these days, which is well and good, but it's not necessarily the answer to everything. Everyone wants one these days and there aren't enough gov't-funded ones around (same here as in the UK). If you can go the private clinic route, good for you (but it sucks that you aren't covered under John's plan.) Best wishes to you, sweetie and GET WELL, dammit! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge now njc --- BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: > I made it to 50 years 10-02-53. Happy birthday, old man - you're now one of "us"! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:01:20 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Alt Joni draft 2 (ignore if you're not following the thesaurus project) Hi Michael, I have a feeling that you didn't get any of my emails (which is why I'm sending this to the main list as well), as I replied with a few suggestions about changes and then to let you know my location; there is one correction I would like to make to my "Assist Me"; I missed a word out at the end of each verse, which should read "But not TO the extent that we/you etc" Also, in the intro at the beginning of the whole book, I think "embarked ON" is better than "embarked in." You've done a fantastic job with this! Azeem Ali Khan in London, England NP: David Bowie - Teenage Wildlife PS Please drop me a line to let me know if you get this. Ta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:37:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! Shear Lunacy! All of you! > What Joni duds, I ask you; what? > Dancin' Clown? LCL? NA? GF??? > > I have yet to hear a Joni dud. > > So there. > > (insert evil grin here) > Steve > Finally, someone else who gets it. Bobsart (half-enjoying listening to my friends complaining to each other because one of their personl favorites hit someone else's 'duds' list) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:55:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Bob, wondering if Joni should have issued a "Duds" along with Hits > & Misses? :~) I'll bet I can draw 10 songs from among those already named in the duds category by JMDL'ers and make a really fine album out of it. In fact, I'll make it a project this weekend. Gotta go. Bobsart Question - If Bob Muller made a 10 song list that he felt would make up 'Duds' (the CD), would anyone enjoy listening to it ? I'd take a chance ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:07:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Duds Subject: Fw: crystal waters question njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: viernes, 03 de octubre de 2003 8:20 Asunto: crystal waters question njc > does anybody know the initial chords in gypsy woman (aka she's homeless aka > la da dee la da da)? > wally, np: 100% pure love, CW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:28:37 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: for brian njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: viernes, 03 de octubre de 2003 10:07 Asunto: for brian njc > happy birthday, brian! > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:29:23 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: swing out sister njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: viernes, 03 de octubre de 2003 10:13 Asunto: swing out sister njc > why is swing out sister so underrated in the US? i've been listening to SOS > for years and i just LOVE the band's sound and style! and isn't corinne > drewery the chic-est person on earth? > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:01:57 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: swing out sister njc Wally writes > >why is swing out sister so underrated in the US? i've been listening to > SOS > I didn't know they were still around. I think of them as a one hit wonder group, when "Breakout" got tons of airplay in the U.S. in the 80's. I bought the CD "It's Better to Travel" and liked it at first, but then tired of it quickly. To me a lot of the songs sounded so much alike, and the CD seemed to last 3 hours. But if you like them Walter, I'll listen to them again :~) Happy Friday Jimmy NPIMH: la da di, la da da.........she's homeless ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:19:03 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: 50 Years and Joni and the Blues at the Check Mate Lounge now njc Catherine writes: << Happy birthday, old man - you're now one of "us"! >> Happy birthday, Brian. And don't let Catherine call you "old man." You're younger than she is! (And you're even younger than I am.) The only bad part about turning 50 for me has been the damn AARP mailings. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:34:30 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: duds a few joni tunes i don't like but how can anything anyone wrote being considered a dud? to them it was special, to them it was their best at that moment in time. Not only that, they shared it. Not an easy thing to do. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:23:51 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: American Indian song subject Stephen wrote: <> Joni is also part Native American Indian. In an interactive show that she does in Toronto, she explains to the audience that although her songs are not all fictional, they are not all autobiographical either. She uses the example of "Lakota." She sings "I am Lakota," even though she is not a Lakota Sioux. However, Joni admits that she does have Indian blood in her, and this is something that she was taught to deny while growing up. She explains that there was a sort of caste system in Canada, and that everyone who had part Indian blood was taught to deny it. Very sad, if you ask me. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:35:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: duds Subject: re: Joni duds Mark wrote: <<'Snakes and snails and puppy tails are waggin' in the wound/beneath the trampled moon' She really resents the fact that humans have somehow defiled the moon, doesn't she?>> Wow, Mark! Great observation! I never thought of that before. I suppose you are correct. Joni really romanticizes the moon in so many of her lyrics, and now humans have spoiled it. "Willie" may have another clue that proves your statement correct: "He stood looking thru the lace at the face of the CONQUERED moon." And in "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow": "He says,'We walked on the moon, you be polite.'" But the best example may be in Refuge of the Roads: In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway Or me here least of all You couldn't see these cold water restrooms Or this baggage overload Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads This passage seems to stress just how insignificant we all are now, when compared with the magnitude of the cosmos. I personally believe in space exploration, it's our destiny....but it really forces humans to examine ourselves from a different perspective. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:46:39 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Dancing Clown I'm not a defender of Dancing Clown although I like it more since I saw the video of Joni dancing in her kitchen with her cat. But I wonder if part of our dislike is because we don't like our Joni silly. The thought being she is too great an artist to waste her talent on a throwaway tune. But can't Joni have fun like everyone else? I would also submit that this is outstanding writing: Down the street comes last word Suzie She's high yellow lookin' top nice You hear the swoosh of jungle blades And the crackle of northern ice We know right away what Suzie looks like, creatively and with a minimum use of words. Very visual. Plus I had never heard "top nice" - I like that description. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:37:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni duds Mia writes: << I never thought of that before. I suppose you are correct. Joni really romanticizes the moon in so many of her lyrics, and now humans have spoiled it. >> I once read an interview in the JMDL archives in which Joni talks about how landing on the moon was the beginning of the end, or something like that. I think she also tied her belief to some Native American prediction about man on the moon. Sorry, but that's all I remember. Maybe someone else knows the interview am talking about. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:45:29 -0400 From: Subject: Moon? On the Dylan album Infidels Dylan sing, "Man has created his doom. First step was touching the moon." This is on License To Kill. Never knew what he meant with that. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:55:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dancing Clown David writes: << But can't Joni have fun like everyone else? >> No, David, she can't. When Joni's having fun, the writing stops and then the new music stops and before we know it, we're all left here tearing apart T'log months after its release while Joni is off frolicking with the grandkids. So no, Joni can't have fun like everyone else. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:02:27 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sundry comments...(Covers) >Please don't get the idea that it's all MY >labor, however. Just about everyone reading this message has helped me out >in >terms of sending me stuff from their personal collection, buying stuff they >saw >in shops, or given me a heads up about an upcoming release. I'm constantly on the lookout but no success yet? Covers are great for conversation too..and fun! On a recent trip to Niagara Falls I played "covers 44" track one ..Night Ride home sung by Melissa Errico. A very sweet version of the song. My eldest sister who really is not a joni fan but appreciates her... (loves her hits..especially BYT) perked up and said..."Who is that ? Such a pretty song!" I told her who and then I said guess who wrote that. JONI!! I went on to tell her that Joni really has put out a lot of good stuff SINCE BYT. :-) OH...I then played her Joni's version of her own song...she liked it very much. So Bob....thank you...and keep on keeping on!! (I know you will) Bree >Bob > >NP: Eric Day, "It's Nearly Africa" (from someone else's XTC covers project) _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:42:37 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: budget shortfalls njc >"It's not just Gray Davis. Though not currently facing recall, many of the >nation's governors face no-win situations. Can they survive?...Forty-seven >of the nation's 50 governors are staring at budget shortfalls this fiscal >year totaling $80 billion, forcing them to slash popular programs or raise >taxes. None so far is threatened with being ousted by a recall like the one >Davis faces..." (kakki, I think) And this problem comes from somehere. . . IT'S ALL A BIG PIECE OF A PIE. ie. We are spending a huge portion on the military. . and everythiing else suffers. Also, I am concerned about the deficit. . . I thought republicans were supposed to be conservative?. . . They seem like big spenders to me. . . I fear this deficit will have ramifications for decades to come. I hope this isn't true. Let's not run our government any differently then we run our own families. Tax give backs, tax breaks? (whatever you call it). . . I don't believe they are going to stimulate the economy They seem absurd at a time like this. . .. . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:50:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: budget shortfalls njc On 10/3/03 2:42 PM, "Marianne Rizzo" wrote: > ie. We are spending a huge portion on the military. . and everythiing else > suffers. > > Also, I am concerned about the deficit. . . I thought republicans were > supposed to be conservative?. . . > They seem like big spenders to me. . . They don't like big spending or deficits, unless it's for military operations. And they don't want government intruding on private lives, unless you happen to be doing something they disapprove of. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:02:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! sue, this is so great! we should turn all these people on to the list and automatically increase fundraising for the next jonifest. :-) good job, suemac! love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Susan E > McNamara > Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Octubre de 2003 07:42 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! > > > Just thought I would report back on the GREAT turnout we had for the open > mike. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:03:35 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: budget shortfalls njc > Tax give backs, tax breaks? (whatever you call it). . . > I don't believe they are going to stimulate the economy They don't, and they didn't. That up-to-$300 rebate that U.S. taxpayers received a couple of years ago did what for the economy? Nothing. Most people used it to pay existing debt. Furthermore, it was taxed AGAIN as income, so in essence you were screwed twice. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:09:15 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! I actually had the website address on my Joni Trivia Table Tents, so I wouldn't be surprised if the site got some hits today. (by the way, people LOVED the trivia questions. All night people were coming up to me saying: So who is she talking about in This Flight Tonight, or who is she talking about in Cactus Tree? I know Joni says she hates it when people say stuff like that, but Inquiring Minds Want to Know!!! ) :-) take care, Wally!!! sue At 4:02 PM -0300 10/3/03, Wally Kairuz wrote: >sue, >this is so great! we should turn all these people on to the list and >automatically increase fundraising for the next jonifest. :-) >good job, suemac! >love, >wally > >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Susan E >> McNamara >> Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Octubre de 2003 07:42 a.m. >> Para: joni@smoe.org >> Asunto: Standing Room Only at Only Joni Open Mike in Ithaca!!! >> >> >> Just thought I would report back on the GREAT turnout we had for the open >> mike. - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:12:11 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mitchel "duds" IMO, if one listens from every possible view point that one can image and/or listens more than a million times, there is genious to be found if every note and every word. but , who am i? peace hoops ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:22:14 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: last chance lost Last Chance Lost I have always liked the song . . . you know, it is interesting that so many songs probably conjure up so many different visual images for us all. . . When I hear this song (especially just hearing the Joni sing the words, "last chance lost.," I am imagining: a woman, worn from romance, in a very long, swankie, older model car. . . . (the car is longer than life, accentuated to represent the long goodbye) She's alone, she's leaving. . . but she is traveling almost in slow motion. . . . a l o n g good bye. . . she's giving her lover a long -minute, last chance. . . this woman that I see has a kerchief on and dark glasses. . . like from the 1950's it is a convertable. . . the scene is on a lonely long road, maybe like a desert. . . . reminds me a little of an Edward Hopper scene. a bit remote Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:22:25 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds I'd like to chime in on this thread since I'm still in trivia mode. I almost talked about Last Chance Lost at the Open Mike last night when I was praising TI to the skies. After not touring for a long time (i can't remember how long) Joni opened the Edmonton Folk Festival in 1994 with Last Chance Lost. OK, how bold is that. That song has one of the most discordant tunings in the catalog and the vocal is so challenging, but she waltzes out there and plays it FIRST. The woman has steel ones as far as I'm concerned. And yes I agree, LCL is NOT a dud. take care, sue At 3:00 AM -0400 10/3/03, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:38:50 EDT >From: KJHSF@aol.com >Subject: Last Chance Lost/Joni Duds > >I absolutely love this song. It may be my favorite on TI. I think it is >Joni at her best. The guitar playing is wonderful, her voice, while >husky, has >some real strength to it still, the words are honed down to poetic perfection >and her overlapped harmonies on the brief chorus are what I like best about >Joni's work-the ability she has to nail intricate and difficult musical >intervals, 2nds, 4ths, 9ths, etc. I have to echo the sentiment of >whoever said they >heard this and thought it was a real return to form for Joni. >Ken H - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:27:57 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:23:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: That song has one of the most discordant tunings in the catalog and the vocal is so challenging, but she waltzes out there and plays it FIRST. I am so glad that the open mike was so successful! Wonder if i could get one going here in Columbus? LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in Lindsey. I would KILL to hear a live version of either! Her picking style is so original, so effortless (for her, anyway). Ken np Rufus Wainwright/Oh what a World (sounds like he came through the awfulness of crystal meth addiction with his talent intact and growing.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:32:37 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds I was really quite blown away by how packed this coffee house got by 9:00 pm. Signups started at 7:15 and the list was full by 7:25!!! We actually added four people to the list by asking people to only play one song. At the end it seemed like we would have been ok with the time because we had enough time to do two singalongs (BYT and Circle game). What a blast. I'm still on an emotional high. If you have a local club that does regular open mike nights (as this club did) it might bring in the regulars plus some new joni fans. Try it!!! Sue At 3:27 PM -0400 10/3/03, KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:23:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sem8@cornell.edu writes: > >That >song has one of the most discordant tunings in the catalog and the >vocal is so challenging, but she waltzes out there and plays it >FIRST. > > > >I am so glad that the open mike was so successful! Wonder if i >could get one going here in Columbus? >LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in >Lindsey. I would KILL to hear a live version of either! Her >picking style is so original, so effortless (for her, anyway). >Ken >np Rufus Wainwright/Oh what a World (sounds like he came through >the awfulness of crystal meth addiction with his talent intact and >growing.) - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:39:55 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: last chance lost In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:33:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: When I hear this song (especially just hearing the Joni sing the words, "last chance lost.," I am imagining: what beautiful cinematic images for LCL! For me, it is tied to a period of time in my life-my first autumn in San Francisco-coffee at the Cafe Flore in the evening with the shadows long and the light low. It would have been October of 94, I think, right when the album was released. When I hear that song, I remember those times. Jeez-almost ten years ago??? Where does the time go? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:48:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:32:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in Lindsey. I would KILL to hear a live version of either! No need to kill, Ken - yikes! All you have to do is ask! ;~) Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson w/Pat Martino, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:52:05 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds Isn't the Edmonton Folk Festival among the trees circulating? I still have it on archaic tape cassette. I'm hoping to get some sort of usb cable and an imic to transfer all my rare cassettes into cds. I wish I was more of a techy with more time!! waahh! take care, sue At 3:48 PM -0400 10/3/03, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/3/2003 3:32:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >KJHSF@aol.com writes: > >LCL is an odd tuning. It's the same tuning as Wolf that Lives in Lindsey. I >would KILL to hear a live version of either! > >No need to kill, Ken - yikes! > >All you have to do is ask! ;~) > >Bob > >NP: Cassandra Wilson w/Pat Martino, "Both Sides Now" - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:56:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Chance Lost/Joni duds Subject: lakota > >In the case of "Lakota", I think the Indian American thing is an issue >that >is so easy to preach about that a lot of artists jump on the opportunity >(i.e. Enigma in "The Cross of Changes"). It kinda sickens me, actually. >- - Dylan AND I like Lakota. .. Thanks Joan for reminding people about the the plight of the indians. I have been listening to it quite a lot lately. . . . trying to rediscover Chalk Mark. . . it is very refreshing to me to hear Joni acknowlege the atrocities of life here. .. ("absurdities come over me") Thanks for taking a stand Joni. . . I love it everytime you have and everytime you do. You give me strength. I am going to play Lakota a bit this week in response to "columbus day." Weren't the indians here first or did I get that wrong? Hey, let's make the day before Columbus day: N a t i v e A m e r i c a n Day. Okay? We'll make it a national holiday . . .the Sunday before columbus day. . . . \ I / S u n day (the 12th this year). . .that sounds about right. . . / I \ oaky? afterall. . . "The Native Americans discovered Columbus." I am lakota, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:34:12 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Darice Subject: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC The car tax has not been raised..it has been reinstated at the pre-surplus level. And it has only been one or two years (depending on what month your registration renews), that the tax has been lowered. My 1997 BMW costs $221 to register-$30 registration fee, $188 (VLF) and $3 County fee. There has been on the last one or two registration renewal notice a listing of the regular fees and a line which subtracts the (VLF Offset) (vehicle license fee). Last year, the cost was lower to register my car, which has a retail value of about $8000. Do I like paying this fee.....no....but the alternative was/is worse...plus this is a tax I can control by not buying a new car @ $50,000-60,000 and then complaining about paying tax, title and license fees. The tax on a new car is still 8.5% in San Francisco, MUCH more the the VLF. The "new" car tax is a mis-statemnet by those who are in favor of the recall.....a more precise adjective would be a "re-instated" car tax, or a return to the pre-surplus level of tax. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:38:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: CA Recall (and car tax) NJC On 10/3/03 4:34 PM, "Darice" wrote: > The car tax has not been raised..it has been reinstated at the pre-surplus > level. > And it has only been one or two years (depending on what month your > registration renews), that the tax has been > lowered. My 1997 BMW costs $221 to register-$30 registration fee, $188 (VLF) > and $3 County fee. And I paid more than that to register my 1979 AMC Concord 20 years ago in Indiana! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:54:40 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: budget shortfalls njc >Let's not run our government any differently then we run our own families. Very smart here! >Tax give backs, tax breaks? (whatever you call it). . . >I don't believe they are going to stimulate the economy >They seem absurd at a time like this. . .. . You need a good spanking for this. Having extra $$ in your pocket *can stimulate the economy. I know,"trickle down" is still being debated. It makes sense to me..if housewife Jane Doe has X amount of $ it's likely that she will go out and spend it. Some of it in her local community...a movie..buys a couch even. Multiply Jane Dow by millions. Yes...there is downsizing..things change because of the new technology everyday. Look at Target and Walmart stock....booming. Yes...give some of that $ back. After all...it's yours anyway. Bree >Marianne > >_________________________________________________________________ >High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local >service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:43:06 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Judee Sill njc Yes Catherine me too! Mine came Wednesday and it has been playing non stop. I think Paul C made me aware of her too - thank you. I haven't been this excited about someone since Laura! I adore those melodies and the lyrics and poetry go right to me. Wow and could she put on a live show! My sister came home yesterday and "Jesus Was A Cross Maker" was playing (the live version which I prefer slightly) and she goes "damn it I've been singing that song all day at work". This is my sister who loves chart music. She accepts Tori but Joni is too much. Every time I'm playing Joni she just hums "Big Yellow Taxi" as if it's the only song she ever did though now I think of it, she doesn't mind some of BLUE. Anyway back to Judee - I will definitely wont forgit (and the lyrics are written how she says them - I think she was from California) to order 'Heart Food'. I think Rhino only charged $5 to ship to me here in the UK which is really good. I want to hear what the re-recorded version of "Pearl" sounds like as I've totally fallen in love with the song. It seems she really had a lot of misfortune in her short life which is very sad. I would really like a biography but I get the feeling that there isn't enough interest. NP: Enchanted Sky Machines - Judee Sill ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "StephenToogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: Re: American Indian song subject now Judee Sill njc > --- StephenToogood wrote: > > > > NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown (live) - Judee > > Sill > > Hey, Stephen - did you buy the remastered CD? Thanks > to Paul C if indeed it was he that mentioned it > onlist. > > I just rec'd this and I've been playing it non-stop > since. Also ordered Heart Food but it hasn't arrived > yet, and I can't wait (it's in the mail, they say). > What a talented woman (although she has one of the > weirdest accents I've ever heard!) and what a wasted > life and too-early death. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:46:35 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: lakota (NJC) Hi, Marianne! I definitely agree with you about *loving* every time our SIQUOMB takes a stand on social issues! I appreciate the support, the preaches my favourite artist take in themes like the spoliation and denial of natives' rights. I can't say anything "Joni content", musically about Lakota, though, as this is a song I don't "get" (from her less played album in my house, indeed). But I felt the need to ask you: isn't *the 12th* Colo'n/Columbus day? You know, it's -along with 25th of july- our national day: OMG! This isn't anything to be proud of, for sure! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: For Free, 'a l'Olympia - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Marianne Rizzo" Para: Enviado: viernes, 03 de octubre de 2003 22:25 Asunto: lakota > AND I like Lakota. .. Thanks Joan for reminding people about the the > plight of the indians. > I have been listening to it quite a lot lately. . . . trying to rediscover > Chalk Mark. . . > it is very refreshing to me to hear Joni acknowlege the atrocities of life > here. .. ("absurdities come over me") > > Thanks for taking a stand Joni. . . I love it everytime you have and > everytime you do. > You give me strength. > > I am going to play Lakota a bit this week in response to "columbus day." > Weren't the indians here first > > or did I get that wrong? > > Hey, let's make the day before Columbus day: N a t i v e A m e r i c a n > Day. > Okay? > > We'll make it a national holiday . . .the Sunday before columbus day. . . . > > \ I / > S u n day (the 12th this year). . .that sounds about right. . . > / I \ > oaky? > > > afterall. . . "The Native Americans discovered Columbus." > > I am lakota, > > Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:06:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: budget shortfalls njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > > Let's not run our government any differently then we > run our own families. > > Tax give backs, tax breaks? (whatever you call it). > . . > I don't believe they are going to stimulate the > economy > > They seem absurd at a time like this. . .. . The tax breaks and rebates thing only goes so far. You end up paying one way or another. It's all a big shell game. We had a provincial election yesterday here in Ontari-ari-ario, and the Tory gov't that was in power got voted WAY OUT. One of the things that got them into power, and then re-elected, was their promise of tax breaks for people. They came in and started messing around with the tax structure, taking education taxes back to the provincial level (they used to fall under the muncipalities under property tax) but, in return for this, they downloaded responsibility for long-term care and a few other things to the municipal level. They promised us fewer taxes, but we are, in fact paying more - it's simply a matter of whether you pay them to the city as property tax, or to the province, or even to the federal gov't as income tax. In other cases, we were now asked to pay user fees for things that we never had to pay for before. I have never paid so much to cover little things like field trips for my kids at school (these have doubled in cost, and it's not a lot, but these things all add up), or a $50 lab fee that I have to pay for my daughter's high school photography course. Or, if I have to have a blood test done, I have to fork over $5 now for something that was always completely covered by our provincial health insurance plan. (OF course, state-covered health insurance is anathema to some people, but here we look upon it as a friggin' right - LOL.) You might say, oh $5 here and there, or $14 for a field trip that used to cost $6 - what's the deal with that, ya cheapskate? Well, let me tellya - it all adds up and what about people who are living on the fringe as it is? Are they going to want to tell their kid's school they don't have the money for a field trip? Likely not - how embarassing for your kid that doesn't want to stand out as the freak of the class - the "poor" kid! The gov't in power was still trying the "tax cuts" thing for this election, but they cut so much in service here that our classroom sizes have increased, the waiting times for surgery and certain diagnostic tests have increased dramatically (and I'm not talking about the delays incurred by SARS, which closed down a number of hospitals to any elective surgery for about six weeks, so imagine the impact of this on already-long wait times.) Well, they got seriously defeated yesterday and hurray for that - to me, it's a message from the people here that we don't buy into that anymore - you can only fool us with that so many times. The provincial Liberals that won by a landslide yesterday got there without any mudslinging or name-calling, and by promising to put the money back in education and health care, and, oh yeah, clean air and water. (Now we get to see if they live up to their promises or not - - they're politicians, after all.) So, people can talk all they want about tax cuts, but these so-called tax cuts benefit only a very few. The rest of us pay one way or another, through paying taxes at another level, or through user fees, or through decreased services in schools and hospitals or what-have-you. And I wouldn't give a lot of credence to budget talk either. The people in power, and their opposition, can make those numbers say whatever they want and whatever is useful to them at the time. Yesterday's deficit becomes today's surplus and tomorrow's deficit back again. Every time you look at a gov't budget sheet, you should be asking questions about what exactly it means, because they will make it say whatever makes their side look good, and the other side look bad. And that's it for me on this political rant. (Whew!) I don't usually like getting into this stuff but there's always three sides to every story - your story, my story and the objective truth, whatever that is. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #500 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)