From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #499 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 499 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["Kate Bennett] health service? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Daryl Hall (NJC) ["Bill Pearson" ] correction (california recall) njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Walter Becker's Musings on Joni [Lindsay Moon ] Re: correction (california recall) njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Democracy/republic NJC [] Re: Walter Becker's Musings on Joni/now NJC [KJHSF@aol.com] Joni duds [] Re: Joni duds ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: correction (california recall) njc ["kakki" ] Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["kakki" ] buy the farm . . . in baljennie near joni's old home town! [Murphycopy@ao] Sundry comments... [zenpop@mindspring.com] Re: American Indian song subject now Judee Sill njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:46:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested lori> And, other than Native American Indians, everyone in this country descended from from immigrants, some legal, many not. I get so tired of people claiming that they have more of a right to be in the U.S. than their neighbor does. < i agree...the poor (legal & illegal) have long been a target of those more fortunate...whether it is about welfare recipients or illegal immigrants there remains much knee jerk predjudice & judgement based on false perceptions...when corporate welfare & corporate illegal activities are far more costly to our society on so many levels... i grew up hearing the conservative mantra (welfare is bad) & when i became one of them (the poor) i had an amazing opportunity to see how the system worked from the inside out...i attended school & worked alongside illegal immigrants (mexico & vietnam) who were working to get their legal status while attending school....i got to hear some amazing stories about how they came to the usa...after graduating i ended up working for the same educational institution that helped me get ahead & some of those once illegal immigrants had also graduated, had achieved their legal status & were now working to help those less fortunate... the community college system in california is an amazing, low cost, high quality educational system that has helped millions of people to become productive & self supporting, tax paying citizens whether they are here by birth or born to illegal immigrants or are themselves illegal...helping the poor to get ahead is the best investment we can make for a healthy society... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:56:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: health service? njc colin i am so sorry to hear about these ongoing problems...in my experience most doctors (md) will NOT recommend a chiropractor which it seems to me may be what you need... >This THIRD cardiologist also said the problem was not my heart but my spine. yet still I am going for this test and no one was lookingh into what is wrong with my spine.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:38:03 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Daryl Hall (NJC) mack said: not really sure when this album came out... I can answer that = 1996 in Japan! (honest 1996!) This version is minus one track which is now on Do It For Love. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:09:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: correction (california recall) njc kakki & all, i was speaking from (faulty) memory regarding the other states facing bankruptcy- i think i was inncorrect...however many are facing budget problems: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,483265,00.html "It's not just Gray Davis. Though not currently facing recall, many of the nation's governors face no-win situations. Can they survive?...Forty-seven of the nation's 50 governors are staring at budget shortfalls this fiscal year totaling $80 billion, forcing them to slash popular programs or raise taxes. None so far is threatened with being ousted by a recall like the one Davis faces..." in addition i think it is an oversight (when talking about california's fiscal problems) not to acknowledge the huge impact the dotcom industry has had here ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:15:36 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Walter Becker's Musings on Joni My husband and I went and saw Steely Dan in concert last Friday and it was beyond wonderful. I have had their songs in my head ever since. Today I went to steelydan.com just to poke around and I hit the jackpot. Under the Words section is a section called wb's collected memos (Walter Becker, he and Donald Fagen are SD just in case you aren't familiar with their names). Under that is a memo called Keep the Gig Alive dated 5/97 in which Walter writes his manager Craig on ideas to keep their name before the public while they're taking so long to make their album (Two Against Nature I guess). I'll re-type: "1. Publicity stunt -- Have you been following this Joni Mitchell thing, where she finds her long-lost daughter? Now is that an incredible story or what?!!! Craig, you are my manager, Donald's manager too, let me ask you something: why doesn't something like that ever happen to one or both of us? Are we not men? Cut us, do we not bleed? Why don't we find out that we have long-lost daughters who just happen to be attractive fashion models or something like that? Just because Joni knows all those open tunings and maybe slept around a bit now and again, does that mean she is the only one? I sure hope not ... " http://www.steelydan.com/wbmemos.html Ha, ha! I was falling on the floor. He goes on with some other publicity ideas about infomercials on a public tv station, a modeling agency, and, well, eventually alludes to some great coffee, which might have sparked the whole thing in the first place. Very funny. My final thought on Steely Dan was why can't I be one of their back-up singers? I know all the words and harmonies. I have a mind for dense lyrics. I'd look pretty good in some tight black leather if I'd just knock off the Haagen Dasz for about a month ... Maybe I'll shoot for it by the time I'm 50. Okay, that gives me about 3 years to get into the music business. Hmmm. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: correction (california recall) njc In addition, if we blame Davis for turning a surplus into a defecit in Claifornia, we would have to do the same with Bush on the federal level. Quoting Kate Bennett : > kakki & all, > > i was speaking from (faulty) memory regarding the other states facing > bankruptcy- i think i was inncorrect...however many are facing budget > problems: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,483265,00.html > > "It's not just Gray Davis. Though not currently facing recall, many of > the > nation's governors face no-win situations. Can they > survive?...Forty-seven > of the nation's 50 governors are staring at budget shortfalls this > fiscal > year totaling $80 billion, forcing them to slash popular programs or > raise > taxes. None so far is threatened with being ousted by a recall like the > one > Davis faces..." > > in addition i think it is an oversight (when talking about california's > fiscal problems) not to acknowledge the huge impact the dotcom industry > has > had here > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:30:39 -0400 From: Subject: Democracy/republic NJC Am I allowed to disagree with a Monarch? If so, I think dictators sometimes get a bad rap. I mean, I'm no supporter of Saddam Huessien or anything but recall what happened when the "common sense" of the general populace of Bagdad was at last free to express itself. They raped the women in the mental hospital and pillaged the art museum. If the US troops hadn't been busy guarding the Oil Ministry building, I can only imagine what mischief they might have visited on blueprints and such. I shudder to think! So, Queen Lucy, I bow to your gentle heart and respectfully disagree with your intellect. Lama From: "Lucy Hone" >I dont think it matters whether you call it a republic, a democracy, a monarchy or a commune... all of them seem to be run by men (predominantly) who have a thirst for power, a disregard for the real needs of the people, and ignore the common sense of some of their less lofty advisors...< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:25:10 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Walter Becker's Musings on Joni/now NJC In a message dated 10/2/2003 6:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: My final thought on Steely Dan was why can't I be one of their back-up singers? I know all the words and harmonies. I am obsessed with their backup singer on the song "Pixeleen"on the new album, Everything Must Go. When she sings "Freddie can we cut to the chase" in that perfect ultra girlie voice, its just about enough to turn me straight. Also, wasn't Rosie Vela a backup singer of theirs? I know they play on her only album, Zazu. Rosie is another real looker, a former model who had a great gift for song and a talent that was never realized, I think. There's something about the way the Dan presents the fixation of men for women that I somehow find both sleazy and respectful all at once. I don't know how they do it. Ken H np-emmylou, little bird ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:36:31 -0500 From: Subject: Joni duds Azeem wrote: "To me it's half a great song; the first verse is tight, focused and full of righteous indignation; after that it loses focus and becomes a generalised moan. And I *still* find it jarring that that first verse about a wartime atrocity leads into a chorus about loan sharks and lawyers laying the country to waste. Pure bathos!" Azeem, I feel exactly the same way about this song, and even wrote something very similar to your post when it first came out (although calling it "half a great song" is inspired!). I find most of "No Apologies" after the first verse, and especially the chorus, to be pure sloppiness on Joni's part. That doesn't happen often with her, so when it did, it was especially noticeable. I further found that this type of lapse (on this song, and "Taming the Tiger," to name a few) gave TTT an extremely uneven quality: a few brilliant songs (e.g., Stay in Touch), and some that were downright painful to listen to. In the context of what was going on in her life at the time (reunion with Kilauren and her grandchildren), and viewing TTT alongside her other artistic output (with the latter vastly superior, in my opinion), I took this as a sign that our Joan is tired of writing, and simply ready to move on. And so far, unfortunately, she hasn't proven me wrong. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:30:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni duds > << "No Apologies" is a great song, too. >> > > To me it's half a great song; the first verse is tight, focused and > full of righteous indignation; after that it loses focus and becomes > a generalised > moan. And I *still* find it jarring that that first verse about a > wartime > atrocity leads into a chorus about loan sharks and lawyers laying the > country to waste. Pure bathos! See I think this is a great song. I think you miss the point if you focus on any of the specifics in it. My feeling is that she's trying to describe the arrogant, bully mentality that caused the rape of the Japanese girl and the subsequent lack of remorse shown by the American military. It's the same mentality that makes 'Juan' such a 'petty little tyrant' and drives those lawyers and loansharks. 'So what makes a man a man/in these tough times'. She does seem to be saying this is a masculine trait, asking if you have to be arrogant, insensitive and amoral to be considered a man worthy of respect. 'Snakes and snails and puppy tails are waggin' in the wound/beneath the trampled moon' She really resents the fact that humans have somehow defiled the moon, doesn't she? Anyway, that's what I think, fwiw. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:14:59 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: correction (california recall) njc Jerry wrote: > In addition, if we blame Davis for turning a surplus into a defecit in > Claifornia, we would have to do the same with Bush on the federal level. That's not the real thing people are angry about. Economies ebb and flow based on real life events. They are angry that he didn't disclose the huge deficit until after he was re-elected and after people had voted to pass numerous propositions to spend billions more. It's more about dishonesty and then how he has handled things since then - spending more and more for special interests and then to suck even more out of people by charging $1,200 to register their caar each year. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:11:26 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Hi Lori, you wrote: > It doesn't seem fair to people who live in rural CA, but they're probably > having to pay for the excesses of the people who live in the cities, where > the wear and tear on the roads and smog containment must be quite costly. > I have no idea why CA hasn't come up with a viable public transportation > system, but until it does, then all the people driving constantly (and > probably not carpooling) will have to pay for the luxury of doing so. No the only reason for the tripling of the registration fees is to find another way of bringing in revenue to offset the huge deficit and bring up CA's rock bottom credit rating (lower than junk bond at the moment). Most of the roads are paid for with Federal, not State funds, and the State funds that are used for roads, etc. come out of the high state gasoline tax. CA has come up with viable transporation systems in the past 12 years. We have commuter trains, subways, light rail and buses. All employers with so many employees must have incentives for employees to not drive/carpool/walk. If they do not achieve the required percentage of employees not driving alone to work each day, they are fined several thousands of dollars a day until they are in compliance. I get extra money in my paycheck for walking to work as one example. > Well, they probably WON'T vote, so is it really that big a deal? And if > they do vote, hey, more power to them. At least they would be speaking up > for themselves. People should have to go through the system to be legal residents and they should be citizens to vote or else anyone could come here and vote. The implications of millions of illegal immigrants here, who have not passed criminal checks, etc. and who are not on the tax rolls, voting, is beyond the pale, no matter how good it sounds from a humanistic standpoint. > I would guess this would be because of the perceived "water shortage" in > CA? If that's the reason and the solution, then everyone who is sucking > water out of the ground out there is going to have to pay for it. Who > else is going to pay for it? Where will the money come from? No this is not it at all. They want all businesses and then residents to catch stormwater under their properties so it doesn't run off into the ocean. It's harebrained and it's going to cost people a ridiculous amount of money to comply. What about the environmental implications of storing contaminated water under your house in a big sponge, that then seeps into the groundwater table (where a large majority of L.A.'s water comes from). It's insane and apparently only to pad the pockets of the environmental companies who manufacture such products. I have actually been to a seminar on this for my continuing legal education and everyone about fell out of their chairs with the illogic of it all, both in execution and in punitive cost to people. Why not just build a plant at the ocean to treat the water before it flows out? Simple! > First, look what prison guards do for a living. They probably should be > paid so well, as should cops and firefighters and the military. As for > retiring at 50, would you rather we have 65- and 70-year-old prison > guards, or would it be better to have guards who are physicially fit and > able to do the job? Regarding the generous retirement benefit, all kinds > of politicians and others receive astronomical pensions, and by comparison > most of them don't do a damn thing. They are all in unions and the unions give to candidates like Davis. They are state employees. Regardless of what politicans get in pensions (which should definitely be looked into, too), where on earth do you have prison guiards or anyone in comparable jobs making $100,000 year retirement for the rest of their lives? And the broke, overtaxed people of the state who will be lucky to live on Social Security in the future should have to pay for this, too? > Third, my partner Mary and I took a trip to CA this summer with the > thought of possibly moving there. Everywhere we looked, the cost of > living was so high that we would each HAVE to make $100,000 a year just to > live in a manner we would consider decent. (What is with CA, anyway??) Lots of people around the world want to live in CA so the property is at a premium. The state and environmental groups fight developers all the time in building new, more affordable housing so whatever is available is worth even more. Rents are astronomical here, too. And the average person does not make that much more than people in the rest of the U.S. to be able to cover it. >You would rather they not go to college and just continue to pick grapes > and clean rich people's house? I definitely want them to get a higher education and why can't they work and pay for it themselves like myself and millions of other people did and do?! > If they're renting an apartment, they're indirectly paying property taxes. They get low cost housing and we also have a program for them now to be subsidized to buy their own homes. I'll never be able to buy a home here and pay about 70% in taxes overall, but some of my money goes to buy them a house. Is that fair? No. > I'll agree with you on this one, but then I'll also have to liken it to > Cheney and Enron and our (still secret) energy policy, and Halliburton and > the rest of that mess. I don't think we've seen even the tip of that > iceberg yet. It's not about Enron and Cheney at all. CA completely messed up with the utility deregulation - fault of both parties equally. But then Davis hired and paid big money to top executives from the leading utility company to advise him on how to handle the problem. It was an absolute conflict of interest that even the state controller protested. When all was said and done, he bought into contracts at the highest market price. He's either totally incompetent or there is something more to it all. > Yep. Unfortunately, that's how it works across the board. It's wrong, > but them's the breaks. Yeah, but he is doing it as a way of life day in and day out and spending all our money like a drunken sailor. One of his nicknames is the "Coin-operated" Governor. Also "Governor Lowbeam" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:48:36 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Kate wrote: > Bush political advisers met with Schwarzenegger in 2001 about the prospect > of Schwarzenegger running for CA governor in 2002. The New York Times > reported on the meeting, "That would be nice, Mr. Rove said of the > prospect of a Governor Schwarzenegger. That would be really nice. That > would be really, really nice." [New York Times, 4/15/01] The talk about Schwarzenegger running for CA governor has been going on for many years, long before the presidential election was even a gleam in Bush's eye! > "Bush isn't staying entirely out of the election. His liaison in California, > businessman Gerald Parsky, summoned representatives of potential Republican > candidates to his office Tuesday to discuss how the GOP could help recall > Davis." [Sacramento Bee, 7/30/03] I think this is a silly slanted take from the Bee. The statement "Bush's liaison" implies Parsky is some kind of Bush insider. Parksy has been the head of the Repub party in CA for YEARS (long before Pres. Bush) and - more than that- a large number of Repubs in CA can't stand him and don't feel he properly represents the party. Parsky may well have worked to support the recall but there is no connection in this quote to Bush participating at all, other than the attempt to link Parsky by association as the head of the CA Repub party. > Mindy Tucker (Bush spokesperson in the 2000 election and currently a high > level Bush campaign strategist) is involved in the recall election strategy > & said, "We've identified some areas where the recall will help us build the > party -- not only for the recall, but also for '04, which everyone believes > is important." [San Francisco Chronicle, 8/6/03] Well, I guess if the tide is turning favorable for a party, they would be foolish not to see where they might step in. What about the recent traipsing out of Clinton, Gore and now Wes Clark to CA to help Davis campaign against the recall? I was particularly resentful of that. They know nothing about CA other than to try to opportunistically save it for the next election. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:25:08 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: correction (california recall) njc hello kakki, davis didn't do all these things by himself. every legislator should be held accountable for this economic mess. the only regret that i have about the recall is that the recall should apply to every elected position and let the electorate decide again whether they stay in office. as far as driver's license for non-citizens, i say more power to them. the only reason why they are here in the first place is because no one here wants to do the work they do for as cheap as they do it. and don't blame the illegals to try to better their life. a large amount of the blame should go to the large construction/agricultural companies who employ "contractors" to bring the cheap help to increase their bottom line. car registration fees? the only reason why car fees have increased is because "republicans" didn't want to increase taxes so we could pass the budget. the republicans knew full well what not raising taxes meant-------car tax. another frecking political game at the expense of calif, residents. recall? we should have recalled the whole damn bunch!!! like joni said "snap decisions, short attention spans." frecking politicians are counting on it. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kakki" To: ; "Kate Bennett" Cc: "Joni@Smoe. Org" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: Re: correction (california recall) njc > Jerry wrote: > > > In addition, if we blame Davis for turning a surplus into a defecit in > > Claifornia, we would have to do the same with Bush on the federal level. > > That's not the real thing people are angry about. Economies ebb and flow > based on real life events. They are angry that he didn't disclose the huge > deficit until after he was re-elected and after people had voted to pass > numerous propositions to spend billions more. It's more about dishonesty > and then how he has handled things since then - spending more and more for > special interests and then to suck even more out of people by charging > $1,200 to register their caar each year. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:47:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: buy the farm . . . in baljennie near joni's old home town! Auction on Saturday, Oct. 4 http://www.kramerauction.ca/farm_equipment_restate/displaysale.php?ID=766 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:55:25 -0700 From: zenpop@mindspring.com Subject: Sundry comments... Bob wrote: > Happy October, y'all! With a new month comes a new edition of Joni > Covers, and since I seem to be going in numerical order I'll bring > out #45. Another fine addition to the JMDL family, and here's > what's on it: Wow, Bob this is amazing. (You do this every month?? -- a real labor of love). Thank you! - --- Jimmy wrote: > As for Crystal Waters, any of you dancing queens will remember her big > hit > "She's Homeless". It was a great dance song around 13 years ago. I > bought the > CD, but Bob's right. Her version of "Twisted" is absolutely > HORRIBLE!!!! > She's so frickin flat! What disc is her version of Twisted on, Jimmy (or Bob)? I actually like Waters's earlier LPs. The Storyteller disc (with the big hit 100% Pure Love) kicked butt. The production, for a dance/hip hop mode, was really freaky and edgy. A lot of fun -- check out her smooth sampling of Laura's Stoned Soul Picnic on that disc's second single: Ghetto Day. - ---- Jenny wrote: > Since I'm not going to get the box set just yet, I decided it's time I > listen to Dog Eat Dog. The CD has been sitting in it's shrink wrap > since February or so, waiting for me to get the courage to delve in. > I figure I'm an adult now, I can handle it right? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! > > I'm only about half way through, and to my surprise I'm getting such a > kick out of it. It's cracking me up really because this coming from > the artist who released such timeless and forward-thinking albums as > C&S, Hissing, and Hejira. Now here's Dog Eat Dog which is so utterly > and exquisitely 1985. So well put, Jenny. Too, I was thinking the same thing the other day: the album is quintessential '85. That's one of the central things that bothers me about it. The earlier albums have a timeless quality to them (all great works of art do, don't you think?) -- where DED just evokes big hair and spandex. > So I get in the car to go to work where Hissing is playing (and has > been pretty much nonstop since June) Wow! what sort of job do you go to where a single album is playing nonstop like that? Cool. > And so much of DED (though not all) is so on the beat...so white... Ouch! - ----- Mingus wrote: > > Privately probing the public rooms > And peeking through keyholes in numbered doors > Where the players lick their wounds > And take their temporary lovers > And their pills and powders to get them through this passion play > No regrets, Coyote > > Well, this to me sounds to be referring to the someone participating > in gay > activities of those times, looking for sex in public bathrooms (you > know, > kind of like George Michael), bookstores and bath houses for quick > anonymous sex. Oh wow! I never considered the lyrics in that light before. Brilliant! > Do you think she was saying he may have been delving into those > activities > while he was with her? Gays did a lot of pills and powders during the > disco > 70's. This could be why leaving wasn't her fault, she just couldn't > deal with it. > She did out Geffen in "Free Man in Paris." What part of "Free Man..." are your making reference to, Mingus? - ---- NP: Dido White Flag from Life For Rent - --- Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: American Indian song subject now Judee Sill njc --- StephenToogood wrote: > > NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown (live) - Judee > Sill Hey, Stephen - did you buy the remastered CD? Thanks to Paul C if indeed it was he that mentioned it onlist. I just rec'd this and I've been playing it non-stop since. Also ordered Heart Food but it hasn't arrived yet, and I can't wait (it's in the mail, they say). What a talented woman (although she has one of the weirdest accents I've ever heard!) and what a wasted life and too-early death. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:18:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > And all you think about is the national election?! > Where is reality?! > > Bush political advisers met with Schwarzenegger in > 2001 about the prospect > of Schwarzenegger running for CA governor in 2002. I still find it incredible that AS could become governor of anything. Yikes - The Terminator! Mr "I'll be bahhhhck." It's pretty frightening, IMO. But I'm an alien, so I'll stay out of it! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:26:42 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested > Yeah, but he is doing it as a way of life day in and day out and > spending all our money like a drunken sailor. One of his nicknames > is the "Coin-operated" Governor. Also "Governor Lowbeam" ;-) Thanks Kakki, for giving me a whole bunch of information and food for thought. I appreciate it. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:31:32 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Sundry comments...(SJC) In a message dated 10/2/2003 10:56:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, zenpop@mindspring.com writes: What disc is her version of Twisted on, Jimmy (or Bob)? I actually like Waters's earlier LPs. The Storyteller disc (with the big hit 100% Pure Love) kicked butt. The production, for a dance/hip hop mode, was really freaky and edgy. A lot of fun -- check out her smooth sampling of Laura's Stoned Soul Picnic on that disc's second single: Ghetto Day. Hi Frederick, The CD that I have which "Twisted" is on is from Crystal's "Surprise" CD, but as much as I love "She's Homeless" or it's also called "Gypsy Woman".......it's best to get her greatest hits which has "She's Homeless" and "100% Pure Love".....but luckily no "Twisted". and yes good ole Bob Muller has been putting the covers project out each month for over 3 years now, and I have the entire collection...............and you can get it too! Jimmy, a fan of Muller's Covers and a fan of Murphy's "Joni in Fiction" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:38:24 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Catherine wrote: > I still find it incredible that AS could become > governor of anything. Yikes - The Terminator! > Mr "I'll be bahhhhck." It's pretty frightening, > IMO. Oh, what the hell ... California elected that other actor -- Ronald Reagan -- as its governor, and then the U.S. elected him to be its president twice. Later we found out he was asleep at the wheel while holding the nuclear football. THAT was frightening!! Actually though, aren't ALL politicians actors of a sort? > But I'm an alien, so I'll stay out of it! Nah, don't. We need some wisdom from our neighbors to the North. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Oh, what the hell ... California elected that other > actor -- Ronald > Reagan -- as its governor, and then the U.S. elected > him to be its > president twice. Later we found out he was asleep > at the wheel while > holding the nuclear football. > > THAT was frightening!! Yer right and I thought of that while posting. > Actually though, aren't ALL politicians actors of a > sort? Too true. And it's all about image, isn't it? > > But I'm an alien, so I'll stay out of it! > > Nah, don't. We need some wisdom from our neighbors > to the North. > I'm jazzed that the Tories have been booted out in Ontario today. The Liberals may be boring, but they're not the Tories and that's good enough for me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:10:48 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni duds Lori wrote: > If I were to pick a dud off the top of my head, it would have to > be "Last Chance Lost." It kind of grates on my nerves. > > What's YOUR choice of Joni dud(s)? > Lori, I understand where you're coming from - before they converted, my daughter and wife hated this song. I wonder if they have changed (will change ?) their minds now that they are in the fold ;-) However, it is one of my favorites on TI, musically as well as lyrically. Illustrating once again the high general quality of Joni's work - that even the songs we do not care for are admired as well as liked by others among the cognoscenti. Feeling constrained my my own theory, I shall decline your request to list my non-favorites as "duds". On the other hand, I suppose it's possible that my admiration for LCL is merely an application of (Bob) Murphy's mantra - 'there's no accounting for taste' :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:43:39 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies (now whining) But Bob, the lyrics aren't cryptic at all. It's a simple murder mystery. Okay, picture this: A stage divided in half. Penance on one side, and the dancer on the other side. Both women are being questioned by detectives simultaneously. You don't hear the detectives speak, only the women's voices. If you look at the lyrics on JMDL, you can read each woman's alibi separately to get a better feel for what is being said. The women are not speaking to each other, nor do they hear each other, but because this is all going on simultaneously, Joni brings their voices together, and very cleverly so. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:50:53 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies Not to mention, the vocal performance is pedal-point singing, hard to pull off and flawlessly executed.... - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mia ortlieb" To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies > (now whining) But Bob, the lyrics aren't cryptic at all. It's a simple > murder mystery. > > Okay, picture this: A stage divided in half. Penance on one side, and the > dancer on the other side. Both women are being questioned by detectives > simultaneously. You don't hear the detectives speak, only the women's > voices. If you look at the lyrics on JMDL, you can read each woman's alibi > separately to get a better feel for what is being said. The women are not > speaking to each other, nor do they hear each other, but because this is all > going on simultaneously, Joni brings their voices together, and very > cleverly so. > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage > today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:39:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested either its about party or its not about party...it makes no sense to say that republicans would be foolish not to step in but democrats stepping in are opportunistic...hello? imo they are both opportunistic because that is the way the game is played these days... >Well, I guess if the tide is turning favorable for a party, they would be foolish not to see where they might step in. What about the recent traipsing out of Clinton, Gore and now Wes Clark to CA to help Davis campaign against the recall? I was particularly resentful of that. They know nothing about CA other than to try to opportunistically save it for the next election. Kakki< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 03:20:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: crystal waters question njc does anybody know the initial chords in gypsy woman (aka she's homeless aka la da dee la da da)? wally, np: 100% pure love, CW ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #499 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)