From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #497 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 497 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested [lfye@cresapar] RE: njc Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" [Catherine McK] RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["Kate Bennett] Re: all these people dying at once njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC [] Dylan at Thirteen NJC ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Dylan at Thirteen NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." [Scott Price ] Anyone in Hawaii? NJC ["Russell Bowden" ] re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC [Ca] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC [Cather] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC ["Lori] Re: Dylan at Thirteen NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: BSN, my two cents worth [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: democracy/republic njc ["Lori Fye" ] Rachel Z, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies -- now Joni duds ["Lori Fye" ] Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["kakki" ] RE: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" ["Lama, Jim L'] Re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies -- now Joni "duds" [Murphycopy@ao] Re: preachy ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! - NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Homme] RE: Test your Joni IQ! [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Today in History: October 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: October 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Test your Joni IQ! ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:27:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! >10. The Scoldees - A Case Of You: This is a nice cover of ACOY, and is also from a 2003 release. Featured instrumentalist is Kate's pal Jeff Pevar< & he played that very song at our tribute last year (but not with the scoldees) >15. Crystal Waters - Twisted: OK, this one makes me LOL every time because this singer is SO bad...no sense of pitch, she's as sharp as often as she's flat. How this got released I'll never know! This Crystal is definitely cracked...< if memory serves me she wa an actress that was on tv in the 90's? unless its another crystal somebodyerother ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:37:17 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! Bob of many covers says: >>15. Crystal Waters - Twisted: OK, this one makes me LOL every time >> >> >because this singer is SO bad...no sense of pitch, she's as sharp >as often as she's flat. How this got released I'll never know! This >Crystal is definitely cracked...< > Kate replies: >if memory serves me she wa an actress that was on tv in the 90's? unless its >another crystal somebodyerother > Vince suggests tht Crystal Bernard was excellent on Wings and has never heard of an actress names Crysal Waters and can't find one on the internet either ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:38:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: synthesized like magic > Hissing is all about the offbeat - anticipating and coming in with a phrase just a hair before you think that she is going to. And so much of DED (though not all) is so on the beat...so white...so 1985. < lol jenny, the rise of the 'perfect' drum machine beat beast... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:40:51 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Kate posted Arianna Huffington's comments, which read in part: > "From the beginning of my campaign I have said that I opposed the recall on > principle. It was backed by a bunch of Republican sore losers looking for a > backdoor way to overturn an election they lost. From my point of view, it's more than that. It's an blatant attempt by the GOP to pack the electorate for the 2004 presidential election. I think they figure that if they can get California voters to elect Arnold, they can get them to re-elect Bush. My opinion of the recall is simply this: If you didn't vote in the California gubernatorial election that put Davis into office, then you have nothing to say and you don't get to sign a recall petition. If you DID vote for Davis and are unhappy with his performance, you still have nothing to say and you don't get to sign a recall petition. In other words, you had your chance the first time. I find it hard to believe that there are enough Republicans who actually voted against Davis to initiate this recall -- if that's the case, how did Davis win the election in the first place? I don't believe in recall elections except in the case of egregious circumstances, and I can't see what Davis has or has not done to merit such treatment. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:42:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! thats the one, thanks vince! crystal bernard did try her hand at singing i think (with someone i know but can't remember right now)... > Vince suggests tht Crystal Bernard was excellent on Wings and has never heard of an actress names Crysal Waters and can't find one on the internet either < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:18:18 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie Thanks Jerry! One out of two ain't bad!! "Sailor Boys" is a rather obscure recording anyway - but Bette could have had a field day with it! Best, Gary Zack Detroit Jerry Notaro wrote: >On 10/1/03 1:55 AM, "Gary Zack" wrote: > >>I'd be interested in hearing Bette's new recording. I actually like >>Rosemary Clooney quite a bit and have a rather large collection of her >>78s, as well as a couple of CDs, but if Bette is doing some of the more >>popular and/or novelty Clooney songs, most of those songs from the 50s >>were only perhaps three minutes long - so that could make 10 songs! I >>wonder if she does "Mambo Italiano" or "Sailor Boys Have Talked To Me In >>English?" :-) >> > >01. YOU'LL NEVER KNOW > >02. THIS OLE HOUSE > >03. ON A SLOW BOAT TO CHINA (Duet with Barry Manilow) > >04. HEY THERE > >05. TENDERLY > >06. COME ON-A MY HOUSE > >07. MAMBO ITALIANO > >08. SISTERS (Duet with Linda Ronstadt) > >09. MEMORIES OF YOU > >10. IN THE COOL, COOL, COOL OF THE EVENING > >11. WHITE CHRISTMAS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Lori writes: > > << the masking tape thing STILL bothers me >> > > I swear I remember a time when I was very young -- > so you know that's not in > this century! -- when black, plastic tape was called > *masking* tape. Does > anyone know an elderly electrician to ask? I am not > as old as Joni (or Catherine), ... nor anywhere near as wise... > but I am sure it was called masking tape. Another > thought -- maybe it's a > regional thing. > You young whelp. What do you know? Maybe she was out of electric tape and used what she had at hand. Anyone who would use a copper proudheaded Queen Lizzie (conducting her little charges) in place of a fuse will make do with whatever's around, n'est-ce pas? You know we've had this conversation before. If your brain cells were intact, you would remember this. Perhaps some of us age better than others? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:18:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested agreed...this play for a big state prior to the 2004 elections is of great concern...remembering what happened in florida where the governor delivered (as promised) the state to his bro by excluding the names of legitimate voters... the recall initiative worked because it was funded by a republican who was able to pay petitioners $1 per signature...they got enough signatures & voila! a recall! that is all it took, no court involvement or anything...in hindsight many are saying its too easy to recall in this state...but its too late now...got to credit those who saw good opportunity to grab power & went for it... just because this is 'legal' does not make it democratic...its a stretch to call our gov't a democracy anymore...from every angle, it looks like a plutocracy to me... lori > From my point of view, it's more than that. It's an blatant attempt by the GOP to pack the electorate for the 2004 presidential election. I think they figure that if they can get California voters to elect Arnold, they can get them to re-elect Bush. ..I find it hard to believe that there are enough Republicans who actually voted against Davis to initiate this recall -- if that's the case, how did Davis win the election in the first place? ..I don't believe in recall elections except in the case of egregious circumstances, and I can't see what Davis has or has not done to merit such treatment. < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: all these people dying at once njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > elia kazan died last week too. > wally You know what's amazing? How LONG these guys live! Kazan was 90-something. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:39:33 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested > its a stretch to call our gov't a democracy anymore... Well, it never really was a democracy, Kate. It's a republic, although as you pointed out ... > from every angle, it looks like a plutocracy to me... Agreed. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:19:26 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC Crotchety Catherine writes: << Maybe she was out of electric tape and used what she had at hand. >> Well, it doesn't sound as if she used *masking* tape if it was "sticky and black," Ms. Einstein. Then the crone goes on to cackle: << If your brain cells were intact, you would remember this. Perhaps some of us age better than others? >> Yes, Catherine. Some of us age better, and then others age like you . . . I said, "YES, CATHERINE! SOME OF US AGE BETTER, AND THEN OTHERS AGE LIKE YOU!" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:21:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: democracy/repbublic njc so why do we (myself included) keep using the word democracy? kate, who obviously needs brushing up on her political science history lori > Well, it never really was a democracy, Kate. < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:28:25 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC McKay? Murphy? I thought you two were friends! If you two *FRIENDS* can't play together nicely, you're not going to be allow to play together at all! Now then. Do you want to play together? NICELY? Papa Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:30:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: democracy/repbublic njc Kate writes: << kate, who obviously needs brushing up on her political science history >> Me, too! The first thing I thought of when I saw the word plutocracy was government by a Disney cartoon dog, then I remembered the rich. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:31:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC Jim writes: << Now then. Do you want to play together? NICELY? >> She started it. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:33:44 EDT From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Nyrogrl needs your help It looks as though, I am embarking on a new project. Hopefully, graciously, I am beginning to tell the story of Laura Nyro on film. So, what I need, is anyone here who may have met her, known her, worked with her, filmed her, played with her. I so appreciate your help here JoniPeople. I adore Mitchell as you know, met Wally B early on, and sit back and watch your posts daily. Please call me or write me online at Nyrogrl@aol.com; Jserkes@aol.com Jody L. Serkes CrossEyed Productions 314.378.6052 "seeing things differently" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:54:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: democracy/repbublic njc LOL! i LOVE it! (said in the voice of that snl character played by molly shannon) & who knows, maybe pluto is actually behind this whole thing as i am sure he is very rich from his disney stock...its a doggone conspiracy i tell you... >Me, too! The first thing I thought of when I saw the word plutocracy was government by a Disney cartoon dog, then I remembered the rich. --Bob< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:20:26 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Dylan at Thirteen NJC Regarding Dylan, Dylan, I find your comments to be interesting. I'm wondering, who in the world you might *really be? I don't believe that you are thirteen. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:39:01 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Dylan at Thirteen NJC Darn Dylan...I was hoping to be your chaperone at next years Jonifest. Bree >Regarding Dylan, > >Dylan, I find your comments to be interesting. > >I'm wondering, who in the world you might *really be? > >I don't believe that you are thirteen. > > >Marianne > >_________________________________________________________________ >Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage >today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:40:25 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." At 08:46 PM 9/30/2003 -0700, Mark in Seattle wrote: >I had never really formulated my thoughts on this song before. I always >loved the images and turns of phrase so much but wondered if this wasn't a >rather superficial sketch. Now that I've written all of this, I don't >think it is. Once again, Joni has given us just enough in her lyrics to >draw any number of conclusions. Don't ya just love it? Hi Mark, I know you have previously written very thoughtful and insightful posts about HOSL and some of its individual tracks including what quite probably was *the* definitive essay about the album; this latest about "Scarlett" was no exception. The song to me is another (fitting) chapter keeping in HOSL's general theme of society and suburbia. The musical structure flows with a sense of wonderment and I almost expect to hear a harp layer to add to the other-worldly quality as it builds. It seems Joni really jumped into themes of duality with this album and "Scarlett" illustrates many shades of contrast. She is a southern woman, searching for an identity, wondering if her own life will become a movie-like existence with modern-day gentlemen (acting like ghosts of Gable and Flynn) pursuing her. She has dark dreams, but closes her eyes at X-rated scenes; she has blood-red fingernails but impossibly gentle hands...the contrasts are everything. Former JMDL participant Bev Wolfe once wrote about the "polarity" of growing up in the south and the pressure that is put upon certain young women to become steel magnolias, and the revolt that many of them go through as they choose their own paths in life, rather than one laid out by movies and generations of customs. I see the character "Scarlett" struggling with this personal decision as well. As Mark states, the images are fantastic and the interpretations many. Perhaps Joni, growing up on the Canadian prairies, understood more than most the great differences between the north and the south, and illustrated them with incredible skill when she wrote this song. Yes, Mark, I do love it! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:08:29 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Anyone in Hawaii? NJC Gang, Having newly relocated to Honolulu, I'm wondering if there are any listers here in the islands. Mesage me off-list. Love, Russ NPIMH: Two Grey Rooms - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer- sign up now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:12:38 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies Bob wrote: <<"Pirate of Penance" from her debut is pretty much of a dud, and "No Apologies" from TTT is preachier than Lakota and Ethiopia, and offers even less melodic interest.>> A dud?! Bob, my mission now in life is to convert you into liking POP. Go back and listen to it. This song is so dreamy, beautiful and hypnotic. Those key changes.....and those harmonies, sometimes together and sometimes drifting into a sort of polyphony. This is one of those songs that I'm constantly hitting the repeat button for on my CD player. "No Apologies" is a great song, too. When Joni sings: "Tire skids and..," sounds just like a car skidding, squealing tires and all, coming in real fast and loud, and then you hear it stop abruptly, and then Joni sings "Teeth Marks.." real short and staccato-like, making a sort of "chomp-chomp" biting noise that fits the lyrics beautifully. Brilliant! I guess if I had to pick a dud, I'd go with "Dancing Clown," "Good Friends," or "Snakes and Ladders." But, similar to what you once said before, a dud on a Joni-scale is still a great song when compared to another artist's collection. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cags Subject: (njc) Cagno opening for America @ The Birchmere _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// GREGG CAGNO making DC area appearance: Thursday  October 9, 2003, 7:30pm THE BIRCHMERE opening for AMERICA 3701 Mount Vernon Avenue Alexandria, VA 703-549-5919 www.birchmere.com _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// Hey folks, Great gig news, I've been invited back to The Birchmere! The sound there is GOR-GE-OUS and I'm very excited to open for AMERICA Dang! I used to sing their songs with my high school garage band (Hypothermia for those of you not in the know) and now I'll get to share the stage with them. Too much. An acoustic dream come true...Major 7th heaven... Hope you can make it out if you're in the area. Wish me luck if you're not. Can't wait! Hope you're well, Gregg +;%+;'+;%+;'+;%+;'+;'+;%+;'+; Gregg Cagno greggno@pobox.com www.greggcagno.com +;%+;'+;%+;'+;%+;'+;'+;%+;'+; "i cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions." -lillian hellman The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > McKay? Murphy? > > I thought you two were friends! > > If you two *FRIENDS* can't play together nicely, > you're not going to be allow to play together at > all! > > Now then. Do you want to play together? NICELY? > > Papa Lama Are you kidding me? I LOVE BOB MURPHY!! (even though he is mean, and evil, and nasty, and....) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:32:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jim writes: > > << Now then. Do you want to play together? NICELY? > >> > > She started it. > > --Bob Did not! Hey, Murphy - how many sibs ya got? what's your place in the family? I'll go first - one brother (oldest), three sisters. I'm in the middle - that makes me the peacemaker (LOL) (but I still like to throw the last punch!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:34:22 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC - --Bob wrote: > Yes, Catherine. Some of us age better, and then others age like > you . . . I said, "YES, CATHERINE! SOME OF US AGE BETTER, AND THEN > OTHERS AGE LIKE YOU!" Ahem ... Catherine? He don't abate the sadness He tells untruths and he plays unfairly It requires a blood-pump like the Madonna's lately When your male-friend grows feeble ; ) Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dylan at Thirteen NJC --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Regarding Dylan, > > Dylan, I find your comments to be interesting. > > I'm wondering, who in the world you might *really > be? > > I don't believe that you are thirteen. > > > Marianne > He's just Bob Murphy in an elaborate disguise. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:30:42 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc >Thanks for sharing, Patrick. Do you have any of your >commercials and odd production pieces that landed on t.v. in your >archives? I'd love to see them! > i was actually talking about this at work today, and my boss asked if i had tape. i don't, but a friend of mine who was in the same shows and commercials got a tape of all of them. i recently remade contact with her, so i'm considering asking her if she still has the reel and could dub it for me. it was a much younger patrick patrick np - joni - travelogue - running like that train nnor (a patrick memory) njc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > - --Bob wrote: > > > Yes, Catherine. Some of us age better, and then > others age like > > you . . . I said, "YES, CATHERINE! SOME OF US AGE > BETTER, AND THEN > > OTHERS AGE LIKE YOU!" > > Ahem ... Catherine? > > He don't abate the sadness > He tells untruths and he plays unfairly > It requires a blood-pump like the Madonna's lately > When your male-friend grows feeble > > ; ) > LOL! See THAT, Murphy? I gots friends - nanananananana! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:41:20 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: nothing really...maybe I remember (when i can) purchasing albums one at a time. usually the same artist till i owned them all, but occasionally i'd HAVE to but the latest release of someone out of the blue. i don't remember buying any of them in any other particular order, just one at a time, till i could afford or find another. then i'd take my new prize, place it in it's apropriate mode of translation and play it over and over and over and over and over for never less than a month. most of my jewels have been redone in the same or a similar manner at least once, usually more, since that time ( dog eat dog was an exception the first time cause it scared the living hell out of me the first time i heard it...a year or so later i took a deep breath and tried again and was much more successful). i guess i'm the type who looks not at the letter of the law, but at the soul that lies within it. on that gum wrapper with the two words on it, i don't care what the two words are or even what the two words are talking about, i want to know what the two words really say. peace noel np - natalie merchant "ophelia" for about the 150th time today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Crotchety Catherine writes: > > << Maybe she was out of electric tape and used what > she had at hand. >> > > Well, it doesn't sound as if she used *masking* tape > if it was "sticky and > black," Ms. Einstein. Maybe it was dirty - LOL! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:47:50 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Cagno opening for America @ The Birchmere In a message dated 10/1/03 10:16:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, greggno@yahoo.com writes: > Hey folks, > Great gig news, I've been invited back to > The Birchmere! The sound there is GOR-GE-OUS > and I'm very excited to open for AMERICA > That's great news Gregg. I wish I could go.... all the best, rosie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:55:23 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: democracy/republic njc Kate inquired: > so why do we (myself included) keep using the word democracy? Because we are a democratic (actually, a "constitutional") republic. There is a key difference between a true democracy and a republic: the citizens elect people to represent them, rather than the citizens representing themselves directly. From http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/13/DEMvsREPUB.htm, this: In Federalist Paper #14 [James] Madison wrote: "The true distinction between these forms...is, that in a Democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a Republic they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A Democracy consequently will be confined to a small spot. A Republic may be extended over a large region." Here's another good source: http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/baska01.htm There is a lot of information about this subject available on the internet. Do a search for "democracy vs republic" or "republic vs democracy". (You'll end up with two very different sets of results.) Happy voting, Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:57:27 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN, my two cents worth << From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #494 - BSN again I listened to BSN (twice) last weekend, the first listening in at least nine months. I found that my earlier fondness and reverence for that album -- was confirmed. I know some of you hate it, consider it a low point. For me it stands up and lasts. >> I've stayed out of this whole love it/hate it BSN debate 'cause it's strictly a matter of personal preference but I, like you, think BSN is a fine collection. I would almost have rather had her do ALL covers of other people's love/relationship songs than to include two of her own, if only to maintain the concept. But I still like it. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:02:54 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: democracy/republic njc Not that it really matters, but I transposed this: > There is a key difference between a true democracy and a republic: I should have written: "There is a key difference between a republic and a true democracy: the citizens elect people to represent them, rather than the citizens representing themselves directly." Lori, having another beer because why not? ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:03:43 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rachel Z, njc Rachel Z photo at the Ottawa Jazz Festival: http://www.ottawajazzfestival.com/en/events/2003/gallery/galleryDetail.asp?g alleryID=1640 I wonder if she needs a photographer/alarm clock? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:06:51 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies -- now Joni duds > "Pirate of Penance" from her debut is pretty much of a dud, and "No > Apologies" from TTT is preachier than Lakota and Ethiopia, and offers > even less melodic interest. I'm with Mia. I love POP and No Apologies! If I were to pick a dud off the top of my head, it would have to be "Last Chance Lost." It kind of grates on my nerves. What's YOUR choice of Joni dud(s)? Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:16:08 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies -- now Joni duds Chris' Joni Duds.... 1.Lead Balloon 2.Dancin' Clown 3.Stay In Touch 4.Blue Boy (it just irritates the shit out of me, always has...) 5.Tax Free I'll stop at 5.... But will add a few runners up... 6.Tea Leaf Prophecy 7.Cool Water - -Chris NP: Heart - "Soul of the Sea" Time, Time, Time, never ask what's become of us..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: "mia ortlieb" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies -- now Joni duds > > "Pirate of Penance" from her debut is pretty much of a dud, and "No > > Apologies" from TTT is preachier than Lakota and Ethiopia, and offers > > even less melodic interest. > > I'm with Mia. I love POP and No Apologies! > > If I were to pick a dud off the top of my head, it would have to > be "Last Chance Lost." It kind of grates on my nerves. > > What's YOUR choice of Joni dud(s)? > > > Lori > > ~ > http://lrfye.lunarpages.com > ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:08:43 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: crystal waters njc do not be dissing crystal waters! first, she's diva royalty, her aunt is the great ethel waters... second, she's flat on purpose. i think. it's style. bending the notes. well, listen: that first song, 'la da di (she's homeless)'... the chorus was based on the tuneless whistling she heard a homeless woman do one morning; she basically sampled it with her mind rather than technology and threw it into a song of joy and resilience. the flatness helped tell the story. the next hit, 'makin' happy' was completely joyous too, but it was about kids having sex too soon and consequences not joyful. both songs with lyrical and musical duality, joy and trajedy, with that just under-the-pitch singing for savour. '100% pure love' (a song i adore) was a huge club hit right before the '94 gay games in new york, and her performance of it at the closing ceremonies at yankee stadium is one of my favorite memories there. that woman can sing! i might someday soon hear crystal waters' version of 'twisted' and run screaming, but i have a lot of her music, and so far i've liked every note she's sung. she's bending the notes with canny musicality. it's in her dna. patrick np - joni - last time richard (tlog) >As for Crystal Waters, any of you dancing queens will remember her big hit >"She's Homeless". It was a great dance song around 13 years ago. >I bought the >CD, but Bob's right. Her version of "Twisted" is absolutely HORRIBLE!!!! >She's so frickin flat! > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:33:15 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested Well, as a lifetime resident of California I'll put in my three cents even though it will be probably bouncing off the wall to some of you. I did not support the recall yet my friends who are Democrats like some of you supported it intensely. It's only about party to the national machine. They are afraid if the backlash against Davis may cause people to vote Republican in the 2004 election, then it must be fought at all costs. It's the cart before the horse. ALL kinds of people in California are being hurt by the ineptness and corruption of Davis. But some will support him no matter what because all you are thinking about is the national election next year. Some people in California are more local and care about their livelihood and the destruction of their state before national politics. Tell me truly if you believe in people who buy new cars paying $1,200 a year for the freaking registration fee. People with cars four years old are paying $500 a year for registration. Tell me if you really believe illegal immigrants should be entitled to drivers licenses which automatically give them an opportinunity to VOTE per Clinton's motor-voter legislation. Tell me if you believe all businesses, not just the "big corporations" but the mom and pop businesses should be required to spend $100,000 in installing big sponges under their properties to catch stormwater. And - all property owners in CA will likewise have to do the same in a few years. Tell me if you believe prison guards should not only be paid $100,000 a year and be able to retire at 50 years old and be paid $100,000 a year for the rest of their lives aas a retirement benefit. Tell me you believe that all in CA should pay for millions of illegal immigrants' (who are not on the tax rolls) college education. Tell me if you believe that Davis is not to blame for paying utilities executives as advisors who told him to buy energy contracts at the highest price on the market and lock CA into paying off those contracts for the next several years. CA is beyond bankrupt and all 49 other states are offering its' businesses incentives worht hundreds of millions of dollars to relocate to their states. These are just a very few of the hundreds of bills Davis is passing through to kill the ordinary resident and businessperson in CA - all for a freaking campaign contribution and/or kickback. And all you think about is the national election?! Where is reality?! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:41:44 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." sibs and birth order -- NJC Cute and cuddly Catherine writes: << I LOVE BOB MURPHY!! (even though he is mean, and evil, and nasty, and....) >> And I love Catherine, too! Her posts are always thoughtful, and usually very, very funny. The only posts that I look forward to with greater anticipation are Les I's semiannual ones! Then Catherine asked: < Hey, Murphy - how many sibs ya got? what's your place in the family? >> There were four unfortunates born to my parents. My brother (6 years older), my sister (3 years older), me, and my younger sister (4 years younger and famously born on the exact same day as Muller, although her taste in music leans more towards Michael Bolton -- so much for astrology). They were such a tragic, dour and unhappy bunch, I guess I became the comedian of the family because somebody had to stand up and do it. As you may have noticed, I still have a pathetic need to make people laugh. By the way, not one of my sibs can stand Joni Mitchell. And if you think I am mean, evil and nasty, you should see the tree THIS apple fell from! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:46:30 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: re Donald O'connor Hi Patrick, Maybe you know of this site already but I found it an excellent read the day that I discovered that Donald O'connor had died: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~davidj/tnt/oconnor/donald.htm I used it in a small obit for him on my own site...he was definitely one of my favs of all time. Take care, cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:53:39 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" That could be. Mike Timmins said that one can hear "the air conditioning equipment" on THE TRINITY SESSION. It wasn't until decades later I found out the recording was made in Toronto in NOVEMBER. He said that a funace is a kind of air conditing. What say, ye, McKay? Lama > From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] > I swear I remember a time when I was very young -- so you know > that's not in > this century! -- when black, plastic tape was called *masking* tape. Does > anyone know an elderly electrician to ask? I am not as old as > Joni (or Catherine), > but I am sure it was called masking tape. Another thought -- maybe it's a > regional thing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:07:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pirates of Penance and No Apologies -- now Joni "duds" Catherine's friend Lori writes: << What's YOUR choice of Joni dud(s)? >> LORI!!! There are no Joni "duds," although there are a few "less brilliant" songs. In that category I would put "The Windfall," the song about the Guatemalan maid Joni kicked the ever-lovin' crap out of. (An exageration, I know, but I love the sound of it!) In an interview from sometime in the last decade or so, Joni says she now has "rich people's problems." I think this song is a case of her creating music about them. And that talking part at the beginning of the song - -- where Joni tries to sound amused -- just sounds fake and awful to me. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:07:48 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: preachy ? Dylan wrote > In the case of "Lakota", I think the Indian American thing is an issue that > > is so easy to preach about that a lot of artists jump on the opportunity > (i.e. Enigma in "The Cross of Changes"). It kinda sickens me, actually. Perhaps, but I do not find Joni's treatment of the issues painted in this song to be preachy at all. Rather, I see her doing her typically solid job of painting what she sees, without a lot of personal judgment. Yes, there are depictions of the injustices that gave rise to the suppression. Yes, the (stereotypical, but perhaps true nevertheless) views of Indians as respectful renters of the land rather than its owners, and weepers of its rape by what they view as the unwise practices of their oppressors is painted - but Joni is not preaching the evils of such treatment, per se - those views are painted through the eyes of the subject. Indeed, the rest of the picture is unflattering - "pity me" particularly so. But also "we won't sell - we'll never sell....In the barrooms - poor drunk bastard falls.....the black coats and the booze broke Lakota....I am Lakota Brave....Broken.....Grave....Weak....Faithful.....Meek....Pity me...Pity me. I think Joni could just as easily be accused of chastizing the self pitying Lakota as of preaching about their immoral treatment - but I believe she is doing neither, rather than both. She is painting a picture, of the sadness and frustration and anger and helplessnes and self-loathing of her subject. That she may share some of those feelings herself is secondary to her purpose (and, IMO, she does a fine job of suppressing the urge to preach those feelings - she lets the picture painted by her words and music transmit those feelings) I feel the same way about Ethiopia. I suspect that Joni and I are not in complete (or even general) agreement on many socio-political issues. But I admire the art in her socio-political work, and respect her efforts (generally successful, but not always - as in Tax Free - which I do find preachy, without regard to the merits) to subordinate her views to the honesty of her art. Just my view, of course. Best Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:26:56 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! - NJC Women have Appliance Envy? I'm going to say this very carefully. I have it on good authority that women are never left out of the enjoyment of appliances. I am also certain that Ms. Steinem would advocate an appliance purchase with or without permission of one's mother. Lama From: "Cynthia Vickery" microwave?? the guys get microwaves?!?! all we get is a lousy freakin' toaster! where's gloria steinem when we *really* need her? I DEMAND EQUAL APPLIANCES FOR EQUAL WORK!!!! - -------------- Bob replied: > Sorry to hear that, Jerry and hope you get to still keep the microwave. :~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:42:16 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Test your Joni IQ! So the question is how many men have been >speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan, Robbie >Robertson, now Sam Shepherd. I guess you could >take the list of all the men who were in the >Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your >hat and pick one. Not that Joni did them >all...just that Joni ain't tellin. :-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- I've often thought if Joni was breaking up with John Gurin during the writing of the "Hejira" album, the verse in "Coyote" might be referring to him. Privately probing the public rooms And peeking through keyholes in numbered doors Where the players lick their wounds And take their temporary lovers And their pills and powders to get them through this passion play No regrets, Coyote Well, this to me sounds to be referring to the someone participating in gay activities of those times, looking for sex in public bathrooms (you know, kind of like George Michael), bookstores and bath houses for quick anonymous sex. Do you think she was saying he may have been delving into those activities while he was with her? Gays did a lot of pills and powders during the disco 70's. This could be why leaving wasn't her fault, she just couldn't deal with it. She did out Geffen in "Free Man in Paris." Another thought is Neil Young bought a Ranch up in Northern, CA after leaving CSN , raised horses and kind of hid out from everyone and she talked of visiting him up there. I think he still lives there? How my mind jumps around:~) Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:01:33 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 2 1991: Joni attended Sting's birthday party held at A&M Studios in Los Angeles. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:01:33 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 2 On October 2 the following articles were published: 1998: "Bare Necessities" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=103 1998: "Conversation with Joni Mitchell" - ABC Good Morning America (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=614 1998: "Riled Woman" - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=244 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Washington Blade (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=414 2000: "Singer Jann Arden tops music awards" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=656 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:03:14 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Test your Joni IQ! Very interesting take Mingus! > Well, this to me sounds to be referring to the someone participating in gay > activities of those times, looking for sex in public bathrooms (you know, > kind of like George Michael), bookstores and bath houses for quick anonymous sex. > Do you think she was saying he may have been delving into those activities > while he was with her? Gays did a lot of pills and powders during the disco > 70's. I agree it could be about Guerin. But as someone who lived through (survived) the 70s in SoCal, I saw most everyone around taking the powders, pills and having quick anonymous sex. (The mid-late '70s were not my personal favorite of time periods - way too much wreakage left in its wake IMO). There was lots of excess everywhere. I went to stay on the east coast for awhile during that time just to breathe some pure air again, so to speak. At the time of HOSL I thought Joni was very prescient in describing the dulled ennui of that time, which even permeated suburbia through the backround soundtrack of the hissing of summer lawns. > Another thought is Neil Young bought a Ranch up in Northern, CA after > leaving CSN , raised horses and kind of hid out from everyone and she talked of > visiting him up there. I think he still lives there? He still does and I agree he probably went there to get away and hide out! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #497 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)