From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #496 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 496 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Name That Tune", part1; now NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc [vince ] Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Donald O'Connor (a Patrick memory) njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #495 [Catherine Finn ] Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie [Jerry Notaro ] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" [lfye@cresapar] RE: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc ["Maggie McNally" ] synthesized like magic [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Test your Joni IQ!! Answers. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! [Jerry Notaro ] all these people dying at once njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: NJC Bette sings Rosie (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] lakota ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Hey y'all - newbie here --NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] (NJC) It's time for another annoying reminder ... ["Lori Fye" ] california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested ["Kate Bennett" > Block of ice! --Bob, harder and harder just to be nice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:13:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... Lama writes: << When Scarlet used the drapes to make a gown she "stole" from her beloved Tara. >> Every time this comes up, I can't help but remember one of the best laughs TV ever gave me: Carol Burnett's hilarious parody of GWTW, in which she wore the gown made of draperies with the curtain rod was running across her shoulders! I'm sure you "had to see it," but I you did, I bet you haven't forgotten it. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:23:18 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie Gary writes: << I wonder if she does <> "Sailor Boys Have Talked To Me In English?" :-) >> Hey, Wally! If you're taking requests for the next Jonifest, this is the song I want to hear! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:28:29 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... Lama writes: > ><< When Scarlet used the drapes to make a gown she "stole" from her beloved > >Tara. >> BOB this was also one of my favorite's. I even remember the draperies being green. Thinking of your classic Sunset Boulevard parody.......brings me to Carol Burnett's parody of the same. What great and entertaining television. I don't think any tv comedy since has been able to match her or much of the sixties or seventies comedy shows. Maybe I should say as consistently? Bree >Every time this comes up, I can't help but remember one of the best laughs >TV >ever gave me: Carol Burnett's hilarious parody of GWTW, in which she wore >the >gown made of draperies with the curtain rod was running across her >shoulders! >I'm sure you "had to see it," but I you did, I bet you haven't forgotten >it. > > --Bob _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:00:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... Njc On 10/1/03 7:13 AM, "Murphycopy@aol.com" wrote: > > Every time this comes up, I can't help but remember one of the best laughs TV > ever gave me: Carol Burnett's hilarious parody of GWTW, in which she wore the > gown made of draperies with the curtain rod was running across her shoulders! > I'm sure you "had to see it," but I you did, I bet you haven't forgotten it. > > --Bob > "I saw it in the window and just had to have it!" Bob Mackie genius. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:20:44 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued...njc Bob writes: > Every time this comes up, I can't help but remember one of the best laughs TV > ever gave me: Carol Burnett's hilarious parody of GWTW, in which she wore the > gown made of draperies with the curtain rod was running across her shoulders! > I'm sure you "had to see it," but I you did, I bet you haven't forgotten it. > > --Bob Yes, and when Harvey Korman comments on the gown, she says, "I saw it in a window somewhere." :>) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:56:17 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I thought today... I wonder if anyone on the list will mention his > passing. Yes...make 'em laugh is sure a classic. How easy he made > that look. The skill involved....wow!! > > I'm glad to hear that he was a very sweet and nice man off camera. > My Great Uncle Dr Jack Lavieri delivered Donald O'Connor at St Elizabeth's Hospital how many years ago it was... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:57:29 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc > o'connor was a better, smoother dancer. Thanks for sharing the memory, Patrick...I was also a fan of O'Connor's athletic dancing, which was always fun to watch and fun to do, at least that's how he maked it looked. I've always considered him to be the father of breakdancing, don't know if that would be considered an insult in the dance world or not. Now the "Francis, the Talking Mule" movies I could do without, but I'm sure it padded O'Connor's purse substantially. Another notable passing this last week was Althea Gibson, an SC native (Silver, SC) who not only broke the color line in Ladies' Tennis but in Golf as well. Bob NP: Holly Shelton & The Backroom Boys, "Centerpiece" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:16:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Donald O'Connor (a Patrick memory) njc On 9/30/03 9:07 PM, "patrick leader" wrote: > np - bette - bathhouse betty > jfp - bette midler sings the rosemary clooney songbook (just released today. > so good, but only 30 minutes long. what's up with that?) > Leave it to you Patrick to mention this wonderful cd. I've been enjoying her and Barry all morning on the Today show. Short, but sweet. Joni is wrong about the business being unkind to older female performers. Bette's cd was featured in all the Sunday ads, there has been a television commercial, and she has been on the Today show all week. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:17:07 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Coyote: Man and Animal NJC See Smurph, You have all the hot straight guys chase you at Jonifests... and I'm sick of it! (who cares if they're drunk...) Smurph, Smurph, Smurph! It's all about Smurph! Jealous Steve p.s. However, I do agree with you on your interpretation of Coyote. I've always fest the same. (But that still may not get me over my jealousy...) At 06:00 PM 9/30/2003 EDT, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Ai yi yi yi yi . . . > >I always thought -- and still do -- that Joni was singing mostly about >Coyote, the MAN, but in the following verse, I think she's singing about a coyote, >an ANIMAL: > >I looked *a* coyote (ANIMAL) right in the face >On the road to Baljennie near my old home town >He (ANIMAL) went running through the whisker wheat >Chasing some prize down >And a hawk was playing with him (ANIMAL) >Coyote (ANIMAL) was jumping straight up and making passes >He (ANIMAL) had those same eyes just like yours (MAN) >Under your dark glasses > >(And then she goes back to singing about Coyote the MAN.) > >The way I've always understood the above verse, Joni came upon a coyote >somehow -- perhaps while she was driving, as she does all through "Hejira" - -- and >is struck by the similarity of the wild animal's eyes and her lover Coyote's >eyes. > >Like with the dreaded "your notches, liberation doll" line, I am 100 percent >right and nobody is going to tell me otherwise! (Even if the identity of >Coyote is never agreed upon.) > > --Bob, who has had the Coyote earworm now since August and secretly >believes the song is about Michael Paz, who didn't have to get so drunk and lead me >on that way ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:26:10 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Lama, I like Lori's composite idea, and I think it's very cool that you saw the Rolling thunder revue in Rochester. If it makes you feel better, I know I was at the Shadows and Light concert at madison square garden and can't remember a stinkin note. I'm in shock that my brain even survived the 70s!!!! :-) Rest your fingers dude, you deserve it. take care, sue At 12:20 AM -0400 10/1/03, Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Mac, >I think our Joan was in Cellophane Mode and ill on that tour. There was a >circus / medicine show environment on that tour so almost anyone could have >been a coyote on any given night. > >Maybe it was Ramblin' Jack Elliot on an off-night backstreet in Altoona, >Pennsylvania observed from down the hall by a travel-sick Singer-Songwriter. > >Personally though, I don't think it was inspired by the Rolling Thunder >thing. Joni's barely in Shepard's book, "The Rolling Thunder Log" and from >Simon's table of Appearances, I was lucky to see her on that tour. I think >she actually did Coyote on that tour. It seems like many dim years ago but >my flickering memory was what ever song she did in Rochester, New York's War >Memorial was an honest-to-God-radio-hit-of-the-moment and was either >"Coyote" or "Amelia". Coyote fits the upbeat, driving-tune memory better... > >Lama, feeling like I'm going to be almost single-handedly responsible for >Digest #495 in 3 hours. > > >>>>So the question is how many men have been >speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan, Robbie >Robertson, now Sam Shepherd. I guess you could >take the list of all the men who were in the >Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your >hat and pick one. Not that Joni did them >all...just that Joni ain't tellin. :-) >>>> - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine Finn Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #495 Sue writes: << So the question is how many men have been speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan >> Maybe I am wrong and don't know enough about Dylan, but the lyrics don't sound like they're describing him (to me). Have a great Joni celebration! Wish I could be there. --Bob Agreed. I don't see Dylan up early on the ranch brushing out a broodmare's tail. The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:53:17 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! Happy October, y'all! With a new month comes a new edition of Joni Covers, and since I seem to be going in numerical order I'll bring out #45. Another fine addition to the JMDL family, and here's what's on it: 1. The Practicers - Help Me 2. The Practicers - He Comes For Conversation: OK, so these are lo-fi recordings, the duo admits it BUT they are very spirited and I like the clean solo lines the guitarist plays, particularly in the latter song. 3. Mingus Big Band - Sweet Sucker Dance: Mingus' band updates his instrumental composition from their 2002 release. Very nice, these guys are all wonderful players. 4. The Osmond Brother - Both Sides Now: I know what you're thinkin', but this one's not as cheesy as you'd think. I guess it's Donny on the lead vocal, but I could be mistaken. 5. Diana Krall - A Case of You: What more can be said about this excellent cover from Elvis Costello's girlfriend? This is the version that appears on her 'Live In Paris' CD. 6. Kymaera - Help Me: Defines 'lite jazz', this one is an instrumental that is a bit too muzacky for me but is certainly smooth. 7. Bert Jansch & John Renbourn - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: Bert & John were the guitarists for the English folk-rock group Pentangle. Their guitar styles are very complementary as witnessed here in their exploration of the Mingus classic melody. 8. The Sweeney - Both Sides Now: I know nothing of this UK band, only that this cover of BSN, taken from a vinyl single, really rocks! 9. Sarah Danforth - (Wish I Had)River: Oregon vocalist who recorded a CD this year to try and raise money to help her build a farmhouse. 10. The Scoldees - A Case Of You: This is a nice cover of ACOY, and is also from a 2003 release. Featured instrumentalist is Kate's pal Jeff Pevar, and the vocalist is Nancy Sirianni, who is married to none other than Jackie Martling, Howard Stern's writer. 11. Ray Winch - Big Yellow Taxi: Another fairly new release, Ray is a singer-songwriter who also covers popular favorites like BYT & Margaritaville. 12. Katja Ebstein - Beide Seiten: I'm guessing this is a German language version, but it might be Dutch. Sounds like German to me, and either way it's a good one! 13. Fabulous Connection with Kate Vereau: Night Ride Home: Yet another 2003 release (Joni's doin' OK this year!) from a CD that contains ALL songs about night. Interesting concept, and a pretty cover from this jazz singer. 14. Vocal Line - Blue: This one is REALLY sweet! An acapella group from Denmark, they do a complex and lovely version of one of Joni's most emotional melodies. 15. Crystal Waters - Twisted: OK, this one makes me LOL every time because this singer is SO bad...no sense of pitch, she's as sharp as often as she's flat. How this got released I'll never know! This Crystal is definitely cracked... 16. Al Dowe - Both Sides Now: Quasi-funky/cheesy trombone instrumental version, for all of you who ever wondered what a quasi-funky cheesy trombone instrumental of BSN might sound like. 17. Sharon Shannon - A Case of You: I must say I was disappointed by this one, because Sharon is a Celtic accordianist, and I was hoping she would record her Joni cover in that style. Alas, she puts down the squeezebox and sings instead with a guitar, and it's a bit on the weak side vocally. Oh well, I'm still holding out hope for the Celtic Accordion take on ACOY. 18. Holly Shelton & The Backroom Boys - Furry Sings The Blues 19. Holly SHelton & The Backroom Boys - Centerpiece: I don't typically include "Centerpiece" as a Joni cover but I added it here as a bonus track. Holly's great and her version of Furry is included in my favorites, probably because I have a soft spot in my heart for Hejira covers. That's it from Joni Covers central this month. If you made it this far, thanks for reading, and as always I'll be flinging a free copy out there in JMDL-land, so stay tuned... Bob NP: The Kinsey Report, "Full Moon On Main Street" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:56:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie On 10/1/03 1:55 AM, "Gary Zack" wrote: > I'd be interested in hearing Bette's new recording. I actually like > Rosemary Clooney quite a bit and have a rather large collection of her > 78s, as well as a couple of CDs, but if Bette is doing some of the more > popular and/or novelty Clooney songs, most of those songs from the 50s > were only perhaps three minutes long - so that could make 10 songs! I > wonder if she does "Mambo Italiano" or "Sailor Boys Have Talked To Me In > English?" :-) > 01. YOU'LL NEVER KNOW 02. THIS OLE HOUSE 03. ON A SLOW BOAT TO CHINA (Duet with Barry Manilow) 04. HEY THERE 05. TENDERLY 06. COME ON-A MY HOUSE 07. MAMBO ITALIANO 08. SISTERS (Duet with Linda Ronstadt) 09. MEMORIES OF YOU 10. IN THE COOL, COOL, COOL OF THE EVENING 11. WHITE CHRISTMAS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:01:02 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" Jim wrote: > Besides, this is the same woman who described electrician's tape this way, > > >the masking tape tangles< Funny you should mention that, Jim, because I was almost mentioned it when I responded to your post. Yes, the masking tape thing STILL bothers me, but I have to believe that the choice of "masking" over "electrician's" was simply because it flowed better lyrically. Of course, Joni could have chosen to sing, "The plastic tape tangles," and that would've worked just fine AND been accurate. Oh well. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:10:14 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc Thanks for sharing, Patrick. Did you have any tidbits in your memory of things you two talked about? Do you have any of your commercials and odd production pieces that landed on t.v. in your archives? I'd love to see them! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: patrick leader [mailto:pleader@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:07 PM To: jmdl Subject: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc hi folks: lots of famous people have died this summer/last weekend, but donald o'connor on sunday was my saddest loss. i count 'singing in the rain' in my top five movies all-time and even though gene kelly was more important to movie dancing, o'connor was a better, smoother dancer. and his 'make 'em laugh' is one of the all-time great dance moments on film. i also adore 'moses supposes' from that film. thought i'd share that i met him a couple of times. in the early '80s i did two shows as an unpaid local dance extra at sacramento's 'music circus', an equity summer tent theater. (i was one of the first people in the united states to be in 'a chorus line' and NOT get paid!) local extras were also invited to do the weekly tv commercials (also unpaid!) the perk was that you got to meet celebrities and got comps to that week's show (unpaid extras could only be in one of the 10 or so shows a summer, and couldn't have lines, but we did almost all of the commercials) donald o'connor had been involved in a major revival of 'showboat' as captain bill, that even went to broadway, and he was in several productions that summer. i was also a busboy at the sacramento fairgrounds racetrack and a couple of days after the 'showboat' commercial shoot, he and his party were in the box i was serving, so we had another nice chat (and my coworkers were impressed!) a sweet man and a sweet memory. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/obituaries/28OCON.html still free but you have to register. patrick np - bette - bathhouse betty jfp - bette midler sings the rosemary clooney songbook (just released today. so good, but only 30 minutes long. what's up with that?) ps. the ballet company that i was in was profiled by the local public station that summer as well, and the show ran a bunch of times. between the music circus commercials and the profile, my grandmother saw me on tv so much that her friends thought she was going senile! she WAS 85 at the time... but i really was on tv a lot that year. weird. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:10:25 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! -- NJC Muller writes: << 4. The Osmond Brother - Both Sides Now: I know what you're thinkin', but this one's not as cheesy as you'd think. I guess it's Donny on the lead vocal, but I could be mistaken. >> Wrong, Bob! It's a little known fact that this version of BSN was actually performed on our own Jimmy Stewart's 70s-era Christmas TV special, "Holiday on Spike Heels and Blades," during Jimmy's brief fling with national fame. That's actually Jimmy singing the lead, with "the Oz boys," as Jimmy calls them, doing the background vocals. Muller also says: << I'm still holding out hope for the Celtic Accordion take on ACOY. >> Oh, Bob. This may be the saddest sentence I have ever read. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:11:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! In a message dated 10/1/2003 9:54:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > 15. Crystal Waters - Twisted: OK, this one makes me LOL every time > because this singer is SO bad...no sense of pitch, she's as sharp > as often as she's flat. How this got released I'll never know! This > Crystal is definitely cracked... > Covers 45 is a gem Bob..........thanks so much. I just love The Scoldees version of "Blue" and I was quite surprised with the Osmonds cover of BSN. As for Crystal Waters, any of you dancing queens will remember her big hit "She's Homeless". It was a great dance song around 13 years ago. I bought the CD, but Bob's right. Her version of "Twisted" is absolutely HORRIBLE!!!! She's so frickin flat! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:14:23 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! In a message dated 01/10/2003 14:54:22 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > 6. Kymaera - Help Me: Defines 'lite jazz', this one is an instrumental > that is a bit too muzacky for me but is certainly smooth. > List connection: The drummer/percussionist with Kymaera is a close friend of mine! Michele Drees is one the best drummers in the country, also being an integral part of Badmarsh & Shri, not to mention a very fine singer and guitar player in Brazilian style and a songwriter to boot. I was fascinated to see that Crystal Waters has done a Joni cover; people may remember her for one biggish hit in the late 80s, Gypsy Woman (la da di la da da), which was certainly quite an arresting record - but her singing was as flat as a pancake on that too! Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - Reality ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:05:35 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" Jim wrote: > Besides, this is the same woman who described electrician's tape this way, > > >the masking tape tangles< then Lori responded: <> and now me: but then you lose that it's *masking* tape - "and she holds out her flashlight and she shines it on me; she wants me to tell her what the trouble might be...." there's lots of stuff masked (i.e. - hidden) in that story. i still hold that it was all a well-thought out lyrical decision, not just that she didn't get it or didn't have the right word at her disposal. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:16:57 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" Lori writes: << the masking tape thing STILL bothers me >> I swear I remember a time when I was very young -- so you know that's not in this century! -- when black, plastic tape was called *masking* tape. Does anyone know an elderly electrician to ask? I am not as old as Joni (or Catherine), but I am sure it was called masking tape. Another thought -- maybe it's a regional thing. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:19:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! -- NJC Murphy writes: > . That's > actually Jimmy singing the lead, with "the Oz boys," as Jimmy calls them, > doing the background vocals. > No, when I talk about "the OZ boys", I'm talking about the HBO series "OZ". Chris Meloni and Lee Tergesen can sing background vocals with me ANYTIME :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:20:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! In a message dated 10/1/2003 10:14:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AzeemAK writes: > The drummer/percussionist with Kymaera is a close friend of mine! Wow, that's pretty cool Azeem. I'll also add that Bruce Kymaera himself sent me the copy of his recording when he saw it on my "needs list", and he was excited to be included in the project. Always great to get one that I don't have to shell out for! Bob NP: James Cotton, "No Cuttin' Loose" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:24:44 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here njc Kate wrote: > welcome dylan...you are only 13?! dang, your writing ability belies your age > by decades! Doesn't it, as well as his life experience described? When I was thirteen, I was perfectly happy to live my life and play the Carpenters on my turntable. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: synthesized like magic Since I'm not going to get the box set just yet, I decided it's time I listen to Dog Eat Dog. The CD has been sitting in it's shrink wrap since February or so, waiting for me to get the courage to delve in. I figure I'm an adult now, I can handle it right? I'm only about half way through, and to my surprise I'm getting such a kick out of it. It's cracking me up really because this coming from the artist who released such timeless and forward-thinking albums as C&S, Hissing, and Hejira. Now here's Dog Eat Dog which is so utterly and exquisitely 1985. So I get in the car to go to work where Hissing is playing (and has been pretty much nonstop since June) and the contrast is remarkable. Hissing is all about the offbeat - anticipating and coming in with a phrase just a hair before you think that she is going to. And so much of DED (though not all) is so on the beat...so white...so 1985. It's like the anti-Joni. Except it is Joni and so it's really throwing me for a loop and making me smile. those are just my first impressions anyway... Jenny - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:32:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc Wow patrick, how amazing. Terri Gross re-broadcast an interview with him on Fresh Air the day he died and in it he said that Make 'Em Laugh was predominantly improvised and shot on the spot. I couldn't believe it. Jenny patrick leader wrote: hi folks: lots of famous people have died this summer/last weekend, but donald o'connor on sunday was my saddest loss. i count 'singing in the rain' in my top five movies all-time and even though gene kelly was more important to movie dancing, o'connor was a better, smoother dancer. and his 'make 'em laugh' is one of the all-time great dance moments on film. i also adore 'moses supposes' from that film. thought i'd share that i met him a couple of times. in the early '80s i did two shows as an unpaid local dance extra at sacramento's 'music circus', an equity summer tent theater. (i was one of the first people in the united states to be in 'a chorus line' and NOT get paid!) local extras were also invited to do the weekly tv commercials (also unpaid!) the perk was that you got to meet celebrities and got comps to that week's show (unpaid extras could only be in one of the 10 or so shows a summer, and couldn't have lines, but we did almost all of the commercials) donald o'connor had been involved in a major revival of 'showboat' as captain bill, that even went to broadway, and he was in several productions that summer. i was also a busboy at the sacramento fairgrounds racetrack and a couple of days after the 'showboat' commercial shoot, he and his party were in the box i was serving, so we had another nice chat (and my coworkers were impressed!) a sweet man and a sweet memory. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/obituaries/28OCON.html still free but you have to register. patrick np - bette - bathhouse betty jfp - bette midler sings the rosemary clooney songbook (just released today. so good, but only 30 minutes long. what's up with that?) ps. the ballet company that i was in was profiled by the local public station that summer as well, and the show ran a bunch of times. between the music circus commercials and the profile, my grandmother saw me on tv so much that her friends thought she was going senile! she WAS 85 at the time... but i really was on tv a lot that year. weird. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:32:32 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... now "Electricity" > but then you lose that it's *masking* tape - "and she holds out > her flashlight and she shines it on me; she wants me to tell her > what the trouble might be...." > > there's lots of stuff masked (i.e. - hidden) in that story. > > i still hold that it was all a well-thought out lyrical decision, > not just that she didn't get it or didn't have the right word at > her disposal. That's an excellent point, Cindy, and one I hadn't previously considered. I agree with you that Joni -- Lady of Duality that she is -- choose her words very carefully, so she surely did intend to use "masking." Lori, who knows that Cindy is correct in every circumstance ; ) ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... (long) Richard, you've got me rethinking HOSL. Lyrically I have not connected with most of it. Though I am amazed by her ability to create these mini-movies - I feel no connection with the characters - and I wonder if she felt any connection herself. To me it feels she is mostly an outside observer on songs like Shades of Scarlett. And a critical one at that. But I'm mulling over your take on it. Now musically I connect with HOSL more than I have with almost anything ever. I'm obsessed with it really...but that's a whole 'nother topic! Jenny Richard Flynn wrote: Do you think that one of the virtues of HOSL is the way that Joni presents what may well be cultural stereotypes only in order to complicate them--I'm thinking of "Shades of Scarlett, but also "Edith & the Kingpin," the title track, "Harry's House"--which to my mind is more effective with "Centerpiece" interpolated than without it. (Though I love those stripped down demos, thanks Bob.) Sonically, it's 3 dimensional (in its fully produced state), but it seemed a bit thin lyrically to me back when it came out. I don't feel this way now. Digression: Where is the group of southern women to sing "Hope Joni Mitchell will remember / Southern Belle don't need her around / Anyhow"? Seriously, the protagonist of "Shades" sometimes strikes me as stereotyped and thinly realized. Until I notice that HOSL is a kind of portrait gallery that builds toward its ulitmate quasi-transcendent moment (I say "quasi" because "Shadows and Light" refuses transcendence except as expressed materially in the work of art.) There's a lot of self-criticism and self-awareness in Hissing that complicates rather than validates what might be taken to be condescension toward the characters. That is, it ultimately isn't condescension. Joni recognizes something of herself in Scarlett--she too has sometimes bought into "all those vain promises on beauty jars." When I first bought this lp on the day of its release in 1975, I immediately liked its sound and seriousness better than Court and Spark (which I also loved). I took it over to the house of a girl (woman?--we were 20). After we listened to it we got in an argument about it--she violently criticizing & I defending it as "way better than 'Court and Spark.'" And that was our last date. Richard still formulating thoughts on Mingus np Blonde on Blonde--the sonically improved edition - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 9:43:20 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Test your Joni IQ!! Answers. Jim/Lamadoo wrote: "For this song about a fickle lover, Joni replace her original backing singer with a different one. :) How sly is that? The song is "Ladies Man". (Shouldn't it be "Ladies' Man" as it is in the lyric?) Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I invited Don Henley to come and sing with me on this one. After he left, when I was playing it back, I was amazed at how similar our voices sounded. It took a while to even noticed that a new singer had been introduced. So I went across the hall to where Lionel Richie was recording and I conscripted him. There was the contrast I wanted, so I replaced Don with Lionel. The old cutting room floor routine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>: Me now: you sure? I'm pretty sure the song Lionel was brought in for was "You Dream Flat Tires." Of course, maybe he sang on both. (I'm writing this from memory, and can't check at the moment). Mary P, who listened to WTRF quite a lot when it came out--and read many reviews. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:05:53 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Test your Joni IQ!! Answers. > I'm pretty sure the song Lionel was brought in for was "You > Dream Flat Tires." Of course, maybe he sang on both. No, it was just "Tires", and like most of these 80's celeb cameos it was superfluous and promotional. She sang "Flat Tires" on her '83 tour without Ritchie and she sounds fine. Really no reason for him to appear, unlike her duet with Willie Nelson which I've always thought worked very well. His appearance on Joni's record MIGHT JUST coincide with the fact that at that time his "Dancin' On The Ceiling" was selling a jillion copies a week and Joni was wanting to jump back into the mainstream. Just pure speculation on my part of course. Bob NP: Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown, "Born In Louisiana" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:09:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! On 10/1/03 10:11 AM, "FMYFL@aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/2003 9:54:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > >> 15. Crystal Waters - Twisted: OK, this one makes me LOL every time >> because this singer is SO bad...no sense of pitch, she's as sharp >> as often as she's flat. How this got released I'll never know! This >> Crystal is definitely cracked... >> > > Covers 45 is a gem Bob..........thanks so much. I just love The Scoldees > version of "Blue" and I was quite surprised with the Osmonds cover of BSN. > > As for Crystal Waters, any of you dancing queens will remember her big hit > "She's Homeless". It was a great dance song around 13 years ago. AND 100% Pure Love, a HUGE club hit. I can't believe Bob has spoken so badly about one of our divas. He is out of the club! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:18:08 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! > He is out of the club! Sorry to hear that, Jerry and hope you get to still keep the microwave. :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:16:22 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! - NJC Jerry said: > He is out of the club! Bob replied: > Sorry to hear that, Jerry and hope you get to still keep the microwave. :~) _______________________________________ microwave?? the guys get microwaves?!?! all we get is a lousy freakin' toaster! where's gloria steinem when we *really* need her? I DEMAND EQUAL APPLIANCES FOR EQUAL WORK!!!! c btw - anyone else get a giggle out of the double entendre of the subject line? ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:57:57 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: RE: Test your Joni IQ!! Answers. Hello Mary, She brought Lionel in after she realized that Henley and her sounded too similar. Then she ran into Henley who chastized her about replacing him and not telling! LOL! Steve At 09:43 AM 10/1/2003 -0500, blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: >Jim/Lamadoo wrote: > >"For this song about a fickle lover, Joni replace her original backing singer >with a different one. :) How sly is that? The song is "Ladies Man". >(Shouldn't it be "Ladies' Man" as it is in the lyric?) > >Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I invited Don Henley to come and sing with me on this one. After he left, >when I was playing it back, I was amazed at how similar our voices sounded. >It took a while to even noticed that a new singer had been introduced. So I >went across the hall to where Lionel Richie was recording and I conscripted >him. There was the contrast I wanted, so I replaced Don with Lionel. The >old cutting room floor routine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>: > >Me now: you sure? I'm pretty sure the song Lionel was brought in for was "You Dream Flat Tires." Of course, maybe he sang on both. (I'm writing this from memory, and can't check at the moment). > >Mary P, >who listened to WTRF quite a lot when it came out--and read many reviews. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:59:21 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! At 11:09 AM 10/1/2003 -0400, Jerry Notaro wrote: I can't believe Bob has spoken so badly >about one of our divas. He is out of the club! > >Jerry > Who cares? He was just an honorary member anyway... ;-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:18:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Bette sings Rosie never heard. what is it like? wally, always ready to sink lower and lower > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Murphycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Miercoles, 01 de Octubre de 2003 08:23 a.m. > Para: nyro_in_detroit@sbcglobal.net; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; > joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie > > > Gary writes: > > << I wonder if she does <> "Sailor Boys Have Talked To Me > In English?" > :-) >> > > Hey, Wally! If you're taking requests for the next Jonifest, this > is the song > I want to hear! > > XO, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:20:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: all these people dying at once njc elia kazan died last week too. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:26:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: crystal njc oh i love that song! i play it about three times a day. also crystal's boy from ipanema. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > FMYFL@aol.com > Enviado el: Miercoles, 01 de Octubre de 2003 11:11 a.m. > Para: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! > > > As for Crystal Waters, any of you dancing queens will remember > her big hit > "She's Homeless". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:46:44 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: NJC Bette sings Rosie (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; ; Enviado: miircoles, 01 de octubre de 2003 19:18 Asunto: RE: NJC Bette sings Rosie > never heard. what is it like? > wally, always ready to sink lower and lower > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > Murphycopy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Miercoles, 01 de Octubre de 2003 08:23 a.m. > > Para: nyro_in_detroit@sbcglobal.net; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; > > joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: NJC Bette sings Rosie > > > > > > Gary writes: > > > > << I wonder if she does <> "Sailor Boys Have Talked To Me > > In English?" > > :-) >> > > > > Hey, Wally! If you're taking requests for the next Jonifest, this > > is the song > > I want to hear! > > > > XO, > > > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:47:20 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: all these people dying at once njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ""patrick leader"" ; Enviado: miircoles, 01 de octubre de 2003 19:20 Asunto: all these people dying at once njc > elia kazan died last week too. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:47:57 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: crystal njc (for AOL members) you're kiddin'! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; Enviado: miircoles, 01 de octubre de 2003 19:26 Asunto: crystal njc > oh i love that song! i play it about three times a day. also crystal's boy > from ipanema. > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > FMYFL@aol.com > > Enviado el: Miercoles, 01 de Octubre de 2003 11:11 a.m. > > Para: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 45 - Tricks and Treats! > > > > > > As for Crystal Waters, any of you dancing queens will remember > > her big hit > > "She's Homeless". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:12:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: lakota >In the case of "Lakota", I think the Indian American thing is an issue that is so easy to preach about that a lot of artists jump on the opportunity (i.e. Enigma in "The Cross of Changes"). It kinda sickens me, actually. - - - Dylan< from my songwriter's point of view- preaching about something usually dilutes the potentcy of a song...cherokee louise is much more powerful (though it is about another issue really) because it is written from a first hand viewpoint (joni about her childhood friend) as opposed to lakota that is joni attempting to speak from the point of view of a member of that nation of which she may or may not have any personal experience... there are some great story telling songwriters who can really nail someone else's story by stepping into their skin but joni's strength has always been writing in her own blood... as to artists jumping on the issue of native american history, i don't have a problem with that at all...it is a big issue & an important one but stuff like that is not easy to write about with skill & artistry... your namesake dylan was one who could tackle those big issues with success, i.e. 'blowin in the wind' & 'masters of war'... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:34:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here --NJC Dylan writes: << I'm named after Bob Dylan >> Me, too! --Bob PS: Welcome, Dylan. I hope you enjoy yourself here. (Although you express youself so well I can't help but picture a 35-year-old guy writing your posts and claiming to be 13!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:33:45 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) It's time for another annoying reminder ... ... about my AIDS Marathon fundraising! I'll be running (and okay, walking too) with other members of the National AIDS Marathon Training Program in the 2004 Mardi Gras Marathon in New Orleans on February 29. Between now and then I'm raising money for the Whitman-Walker Clinic in Washington, DC (http://www.wwc.org/hiv_aids_services/statistics.html). Paz has promised to host a JMDL mini-fest for everyone who donates -- let's hold him to it! The race will be held 5 days after Mardi Gras proper, so here's your chance to take part in some real Crescent City fun! Turn your speakers down (so as to avoid horrendous accompanying music!) and visit http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/ Or visit http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.jsp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 The sooner you hand over your dough, the sooner I'll stop pestering everyone. : ) Thanks for reading and considering! Peace, Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:10:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re:Musical shock (NJC) (Sorry, I'm still behind in digests!) I believe you may be referring to Aretha's new song, "The Only Thing That's Missing Is You". When I heard it, I wasn't sure if it was a male singer singing falsetto or Aretha. Being a big fan of hers, I know some of the twists and turns in her voice. If this is indeed the song, I think that Aretha's pitch is too high. That is what happens sometimes when you are in too high of a key. It sounds like you are screeching. Sherelle On the radio around lunchtime today I heard a rather ennervating song, in a fairly trad soul style, sung by a woman who clearly had some powerful lungs, but was screeching more than singing. It just went on and on and I found myself wishing it would end. Apparently I wasn't the only one feeling this way: the presenter (Robert Elms) said as the record finished that someone had emailed him during the song and said "please stop playing that record!" I was frankly shocked when he then revealed that the singer was Aretha Franklin. Bejaysus! I don't expect her to sound like she did in 1967, but this was still a nasty surprise. Even the very greatest of singers isn't immune to the ravages of time, nicotine (erm, sorry to bring that up here, it's a bit of a sore point around these parts - but 'Ree has been a chain smoker for about as long as you-know-who) and whatever else. That isn't news, of course... Azeem in London NP: Catherine Porter - Out of this House _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:09:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: california recall njc for bob & anyone else interested bob said it was interesting hearing the news from here in california as it was different from what the media is portraying in his world...i don't watch/listen to mainstream media much so not sure how the story is being told there... the latest is that arianna huffington (her story alone is quite a circus act!) has dropped out & is urging folks to vote no on the recall...here are a few excerpts from arianna that i agree with: "From the beginning of my campaign I have said that I opposed the recall on principle. It was backed by a bunch of Republican sore losers looking for a backdoor way to overturn an election they lost. If, as he says, he is going to balance the budget but raise no taxes, shouldn't he have to tell us -- before the election, not after -- precisely what vital programs and services he proposes to cut to make that happen -- and precisely who is going to feel the pain of those cuts? Arnold Schwarzenegger has spent millions of dollars crafting and selling a political persona that is completely contradicted by reality: He promised to take no special interest money, but then turned around and raised millions from special interests for his campaign. He painted himself as an outsider, but then surrounded himself with Pete Wilson operatives and a Who's Who of GOP insiders. He went on Oprah to appeal to women, but didn't include a single woman on his team of economic advisors. In a state where there are tens of thousands of women in positions of power, including both U.S. Senators, there was not even one woman who he thought worthy of adding to the mix?" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #496 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)