From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #495 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 495 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Test your Joni IQ answers [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Fwd: LOTR (njc) [jan ] Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies [AzeemAK@aol.com] Coyote: Man and Animal [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #493 [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: LOTR (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] testes -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Hey y'all - newbie here ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... [] donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: NJC Tickets To Empty Ballparks (washingtonpost.com) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Name That Tune", part6 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Name That Tune", part7 ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "Name That Tune", part5; 100% JC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today's Library Links: October 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:42:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Sue writes: << So the question is how many men have been speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan >> Maybe I am wrong and don't know enough about Dylan, but the lyrics don't sound like they're describing him (to me). Have a great Joni celebration! Wish I could be there. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:29:24 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Test your Joni IQ answers ><< >Joni lyric hint: "Coyote was jumping straight >>up and making passes, He had those same eyes >>just like yours, Under your dark glasses" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- Then there is also Jack Nickelson who is always in sunglasses, and very flirtatious with everyone, jumps up at basket ball games, and spent a lot of time writing and reading scripts for movies. Also John Gurin is often seen in dark glasses and Hejira and DJRD were written kind of in a pair or continuation. One more for wondering minds:~) Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:52:17 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: LOTR (njc) http://www.tenthplanet.net/Soren/piercing01.html involving Jack Black, Sarah Michelle Gellar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:01:56 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies In a message dated 30/09/2003 15:24:05 GMT Daylight Time, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: > From the control panel, click Administrative Tools. Then click on > Services. For both Alerter and Messenger, double-click the name, click Stop, and > select Startup Type Disabled. You will see no more of these popups. > > Many thanks for that Susan, and to you to Colin - I will try that forthwith... And I swear as I typed the third of those dots, ANOTHER one of those bleedin' pop-ups appeared!! This advice is most timely :-) Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - Lodger (on a real Bowie jag right now - Move On is such a great song) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:00:51 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Coyote: Man and Animal Ai yi yi yi yi . . . I always thought -- and still do -- that Joni was singing mostly about Coyote, the MAN, but in the following verse, I think she's singing about a coyote, an ANIMAL: I looked *a* coyote (ANIMAL) right in the face On the road to Baljennie near my old home town He (ANIMAL) went running through the whisker wheat Chasing some prize down And a hawk was playing with him (ANIMAL) Coyote (ANIMAL) was jumping straight up and making passes He (ANIMAL) had those same eyes just like yours (MAN) Under your dark glasses (And then she goes back to singing about Coyote the MAN.) The way I've always understood the above verse, Joni came upon a coyote somehow -- perhaps while she was driving, as she does all through "Hejira" -- and is struck by the similarity of the wild animal's eyes and her lover Coyote's eyes. Like with the dreaded "your notches, liberation doll" line, I am 100 percent right and nobody is going to tell me otherwise! (Even if the identity of Coyote is never agreed upon.) --Bob, who has had the Coyote earworm now since August and secretly believes the song is about Michael Paz, who didn't have to get so drunk and lead me on that way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:04:54 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #493 In a message dated 9/30/03 2:01:10 AM EST, les@jmdl.com writes: << My name is Dylan >> welcome dylan <<"Shades of Scarlett...">> a wonderful image of the drama of becoming and being a lady. give and take, it's all give and take. still what are we willing to give and what will we accept? cast iron and frail "behind my bolt locked dorr the eagle and the serpent are at war in me, the serpent fighting for blind desire, the eagle for clarity" I dunno, kind explains it to me peace ]Noel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:46:08 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: LOTR (njc) In a message dated 9/30/2003 4:44:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu writes: http://www.tenthplanet.net/Soren/piercing01.html involving Jack Black, Sarah Michelle Gellar LOL Jan, better not let Ed or Guzzi see that one :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:53:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: testes -- NJC Have I been banned finally, or is it a slow Joni day? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:59:46 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here >Hi Dylan! > >Did your parents name you after Bob .DYLAN? I forgot to mention that actually - Yeah, I'm named after Bob Dylan and Dylan Thomas, the poet. I've never actually been a big Dylan fan - I bought that triple album "Masterpieces" on vinyl and never got around to listening to most of it. >So you started appreciating Joni when you were twelve..this amazes me!! >Any chance that you would be able to come to the fest next year? I'd love >to meet you. Oh I'd absolutely love to, I really would, but I live a hemisphere away. :-) >So glad you are here...chime in often. > >Now here is where we part..below you wrote THE EXCRUCIATING ETHIOPIA. I >think Joni was able to through this song really make you feel the plight.. >not ONLY of the Ethiopians but any people or individuals that are less >fortunate. I think Joni was just so sickened by the TV preachers >exploiting their plight, the misery.. for their OWN gain..... that she felt >compelled to write this. Give it another listen...hopefully you will hear >it in a new light? > Yeah, it's a powerful song, but it's just so painful to listen to I can never last through the whole thing. Also a tad on the preachy side. Has anyone noticed that on the LP, Ethiopia takes a LOOOONG time to fade out? Is this to make the point that the plight of the Ethiopians is not going away? In the case of "Lakota", I think the Indian American thing is an issue that is so easy to preach about that a lot of artists jump on the opportunity (i.e. Enigma in "The Cross of Changes"). It kinda sickens me, actually. - - Dylan >Bree > > > >>old school fans to dig. In fairness, though, the only bad songs she ever >>made were recorded during the Geffen period - the corny "Dancin' Clown" >>and the preachy, excruciating "Lakota" and "Ethiopia". > >_________________________________________________________________ >>Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here >>http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:56:45 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... Yes, it does "read" like she knew it. The only reason I know it is cause I dropped out of being an engineer in college. Besides, this is the same woman who described electrician's tape this way, >the masking tape tangles< Maybe she picked something up along the way. :) She got some physics along the way, that's for sure: >we're just particles of change< I'm willing to ask her if you can arrange it. :) All the best, Lama > From: "Lori Fye" > Why do you think Joni didn't know this? It makes perfect sense to me, > given the lyric, that she did indeed know it. >>Lama said >> I doubt that Joni knew this but cast-iron is hard but brittle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:07:24 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc hi folks: lots of famous people have died this summer/last weekend, but donald o'connor on sunday was my saddest loss. i count 'singing in the rain' in my top five movies all-time and even though gene kelly was more important to movie dancing, o'connor was a better, smoother dancer. and his 'make 'em laugh' is one of the all-time great dance moments on film. i also adore 'moses supposes' from that film. thought i'd share that i met him a couple of times. in the early '80s i did two shows as an unpaid local dance extra at sacramento's 'music circus', an equity summer tent theater. (i was one of the first people in the united states to be in 'a chorus line' and NOT get paid!) local extras were also invited to do the weekly tv commercials (also unpaid!) the perk was that you got to meet celebrities and got comps to that week's show (unpaid extras could only be in one of the 10 or so shows a summer, and couldn't have lines, but we did almost all of the commercials) donald o'connor had been involved in a major revival of 'showboat' as captain bill, that even went to broadway, and he was in several productions that summer. i was also a busboy at the sacramento fairgrounds racetrack and a couple of days after the 'showboat' commercial shoot, he and his party were in the box i was serving, so we had another nice chat (and my coworkers were impressed!) a sweet man and a sweet memory. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/obituaries/28OCON.html still free but you have to register. patrick np - bette - bathhouse betty jfp - bette midler sings the rosemary clooney songbook (just released today. so good, but only 30 minutes long. what's up with that?) ps. the ballet company that i was in was profiled by the local public station that summer as well, and the show ran a bunch of times. between the music circus commercials and the profile, my grandmother saw me on tv so much that her friends thought she was going senile! she WAS 85 at the time... but i really was on tv a lot that year. weird. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: testes -- NJC Dear Stranger, Who the Hell are you anyway? And why do you keep bothering us? Peace nonetheless, Susan Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: Have I been banned finally, or is it a slow Joni day? - --Bob The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC Tickets To Empty Ballparks (washingtonpost.com) That's ok Vince, the Cubs are jumping in the fire on their own tonight - Burn Scubbiees Burn!!!! Go Braves!! Peace, (HAH!) Susan White Sox Guzzi "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" wrote: "If they have a giant fire, I hope that [Commissioner] Bud Selig would jump into it, and the Yankees, too." What really puzzles is me is why I didn't include the cubs in that statement too. Vince known on message boards everywhere as "cwsox" and with a special "Go! Atlanta!" cheer for this week http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19216-2003Sep29.html The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:35:50 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc I thought today... I wonder if anyone on the list will mention his passing. Yes...make 'em laugh is sure a classic. How easy he made that look. The skill involved....wow!! I thought he was great in "There's No Business Like Show Business" .... His likeability in all his movies really came across. Another dancer I always liked was Fred Astaire. He was less on the acrobatics... .and still wondering how he did the dance routine in the revolving room. I'm glad to hear that he was a very sweet and nice man off camera. Bree >hi folks: >lots of famous people have died this summer/last weekend, but donald >o'connor on sunday was my saddest loss. i count 'singing in the rain' in >my >top five movies all-time and even though gene kelly was more important to >movie dancing, o'connor was a better, smoother dancer. and his 'make 'em >laugh' is one of the all-time great dance moments on film. i also adore >'moses supposes' from that film. >patrick _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: donald o'connor (a patrick memory) njc now Bette sings Rosie --- patrick leader wrote: > jfp - bette midler sings the rosemary clooney > songbook (just released today. > so good, but only 30 minutes long. what's up with > that?) Christ! she must sing really FAST! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:40:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... (long) njc now >Digression: Where is the group of southern women to sing "Hope Joni Mitchell will remember / Southern Belle don't need her around / Anyhow"?< ha! good one...speaking of this digression i don't want to forget to tell you about the concert i went to sunday afternoon....each year david crosby, bless his heart & second chance on life, puts together a concert to raise money for music in the local schools...he brings in his amazing band CPR & always has a special guest as the headliner...this year it was neil young solo & acoustic...this year for the first time it was moved to a winery in the santa ynez valley...what a beautiful setting with all of us sitting on the rolling green hillside like a natural ampetheatre...surrounded by even higher hillsides & grapes in the valley & people on horses & a cute touch next to the california state & usa flags they put a canadian flag! it was one of the best venues i've ever enjoyed thanks to the firestone family (who own the vineyard)... the chance to see neil up close acoustic & solo was a lifetime opportunity...he played songs old (like high school written old-one i'd never heard) & new & proudly showed off his guitar that was once hank william's which he said he had no business having...he talked it up more than i've ever heard him ! usually its just hi how ya doin? but he really chatted in between songs... he had his low e string tuned really low so much that it distorted (made me feel better as i'm running into that a lot with low c)- i found out later it was all the way down to b flat with medium gauge strings he played sugar mountain one of my favorites... he ended with 'ohio' with crosby singing backup- a song he intro'd as something from the past that he doesn't always want to go back to by playing... what was odd was watching some of the people dancing & clapping to that song that is so sobering...having lived through that time & being nearby the event, it is always a song that stops me in my tracks... i think it was quite a statement about his state of mind that he left us with that song...not the usual encore song at all... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:42:47 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Name That Tune", part1; 100% JC The JMDL is supposed to a fun place to discuss the music, life and times of Joni Mitchell and that's okay with me. My real passion is the words. I'll put you all to the test. Match the introductions (in the next few posts) with the song. Below, you'll find the introduction by the author in the liner notes of THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. I challange you to name that tune... Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As the first few lines imply, this was my political awakening, brought on by being robbed by my bank, and by the government of California in spite of Marcel managing my resources. I was robbed by everyone around me who could- all at once. I was a kid with unguarded marbles. During the wonderful years of the Reagan prosperity, greed became fashionable. We had come though the optimism of the '60s, then the apathy of the '70s and finally, the accelerated consumerism of the Decade of Thomas Dolby, my mentor and guiding light during the '80s- hippie, yippie, yuppie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it. Which song is she introducing? Lama PS, I might have taken a few liberties here and there. You'll have to buy THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS to find out where and how many. :) np: Paprika Plains on LP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:52:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Name That Tune", part1; now NJC Jim writes that Joni says: << hippie, yippie, yuppie >> The Circle Game? --Bob PS: What did I win? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:07:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Name That Tune", part2; 100% JC The JMDL is supposed to a fun place to discuss the music, life and times of Joni Mitchell and that's okay with me. My real passion is the words. I'll put you all to the test. Match the introductions (in the next few posts) with the song. Below, you'll find the introduction by the author in the liner notes of THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. I challange you to name that tune... Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albert Magnoli approached me for a match then asked me to write a song for a scene in a movie he was making, "American Anthem". In the scene, a young couple in a 1988 silver Volvo 245 wagon in average condition is racing up a mountain road against a backdrop of Aspen trees and American Spirit billboards. The director requested the song be upbeat and nestled on a bed of Syndrums and he sang me a hideous Syndrome fill, like a Madonna track before her musical double 'fixes' her parts. I told him, "That's not the way I see the music in this scene and I couldn't possibly give you a drum fill like that, unlike Paz who could fix you up using only a compact Cajon box in a New York minute. Should I do it anyway?" He laughed, he says to me, "You think you're immune? Yes, and while you're at it, take a stab at the title song. Write me an American Tune." "Sorry," I said, "Paul Simon's already taken that title!" "Whatever. Give me an American anthem then." So I wrote a ballad, [song title] for the driving scene and "Number One" for the anthem. We were in England at the time. Klein (my third husband) had just finished playing on Peter Gabriel's album "ZOSO". The album was complete and his s- s- s- studio (Phil Collins joke) was standing empty. Peter offered me a pipe. "I thought you'd never say 'hello'" he said, "you look like the silent type," then he let me use the s-s-s-studio to make my demos. He agreed to sing on [song title]. I didn't approach the duet in the usual way. I wanted it to be like the Song Of Solomon where gender seems to change arbitrarily. I had learned from singing with Jimmy Messina that seemingly different voices give little to no contrast in certain registers and I used that observation here. Both songs were rejected. Of "Number One", the director said, "I asked for an anthem. I don't want the truth!" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it. Which song is she introducing? Lama PS, I might have taken a few liberties here and there. You'll have to buy THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS to find out where and how many. :) np: Paprika Plains on LP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:15:36 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Name That Tune", part3; 100% JC The JMDL is supposed to a fun place to discuss the music, life and times of Joni Mitchell and that's okay with me. My real passion is the words. I'll put you all to the test. Match the introductions (in the next few posts) with the song. Below, you'll find the introduction by the author in the liner notes of THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. I challenge you to name that tune... At 10:08 PM EDT (GMT-5), page 10 of the booklet let go completely. Stoked on devotion, I press on regardless.... Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [song title] was a celebration of my relationship with Klein. Years after we split up, he was dating Julie Z. Webb and he said, "Joan-Joan, she wants to be worshipped." So I said, "You think you're immune? Well, worship her for a while and watch her turn on you!" The man/woman thing is SUCH a turkey dance. Take me for instance: right now I'm worshipping this penniless IT geek in the midwest!" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it. Which song is she introducing? Lama PS, I didn't make up the phrase "turkey dance." I checked it twice. I might have taken a few liberties in other places though. You'll have to buy THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS to find out where and how many. :) np: Paprika Plains on LP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:34:15 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Name That Tune", part4; 100% JC This is the one that inspired me to take up this ridiculous series. Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I usually write my words after I have the music completed and structured. That's generally how I do it and the reason why is because it keeps me away from iambic pentameter. It gives me the challenge of new rhyme schemes. The music then dictates where the rhymes fall and where the ideas climax. In this particular situation, as in "Tax Free" which was Klein's music, I used short phrases. I'm normally a paragraph speaker, a soliloquy speaker. So, for the exercise of "see spot run" or "the cat ran fast"... well, even that's a long sentence... I wrote this for the discipline of saying something in short, fragmented sentences, which is basically what pop writing always was. It was more of an exercise to see if I could do it, to say something in a minimalist way. I failed." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WILD THINGS RUN FAST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he came she smiled she thought she had him tamed but he was just as wild eating from her hand at last wild things run fast in the dark he could see that trap that was lying in her sweet company "Eating from her hand at last!" wild things run fast ~~winter beat the pines about ~~he heard the heater cutting in and out while ~~she dreamed away... in the night it snowed fast tracks in the powder white leading out to the road winding from her tender grasp wild things run fast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lama PS, You probably already figured that I didn't toy with this one. I love this girl. Who else on God's Earth talks like this? "The music then dictates where the rhymes fall and where the ideas climax." She sounds like Yoda or Gollam! "Stories I know! Tell them to you, I will. Yes. Precious stories. Yes." np: Thelonius Monk's BRILLIANT CORNERS on LP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:37:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: "Name That Tune", part1; now NJC Good try and you win a consolation prize: You get to try the next question for free. Hint: She's written introductions for most of the songs on the 4 discs on THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. Lama > From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] Joan said, > << hippie, yippie, yuppie >> Bob Murphy guessed > The Circle Game? > PS: What did I win? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: "Name That Tune", part1; now NJC I'm glad someone understands what you're talking about. The fact that it's Murphy is worrisome. --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Good try and you win a consolation prize: You get > to try the next question > for free. Hint: She's written introductions for > most of the songs on the 4 > discs on THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. > > Lama > > > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] > > Joan said, > > << hippie, yippie, yuppie >> > > Bob Murphy guessed > > The Circle Game? > > PS: What did I win? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:47:59 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Name That Tune", part5; 100% JC For this song about a fickle lover, Joni replace her original backing singer with a different one. :) How sly is that? The song is "Ladies Man". (Shouldn't it be "Ladies' Man" as it is in the lyric?) Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I invited Don Henley to come and sing with me on this one. After he left, when I was playing it back, I was amazed at how similar our voices sounded. It took a while to even noticed that a new singer had been introduced. So I went across the hall to where Lionel Richie was recording and I conscripted him. There was the contrast I wanted, so I replaced Don with Lionel. The old cutting room floor routine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lama wondering who else would have the chutzpah to cut Henley's contribution to their album... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:55:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Name That Tune", part6 This one's fun too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had an apartment in New York (City). My living room windows looked down on Little Italy- when it was still Little Italy, before it became gentrified Soho. It was near the Holland Tunnel. Great traffic jam chords- impertinent, impatient- like Mingus sometimes, all that brass, ya know- cacophony. I sat at my window expecting a song would go by Underneath The Streetlight. These are some things I saw. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:01:18 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Name That Tune", part6 Chelsea Morning. Was the first one Tax Free? >This one's fun too. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I had an apartment in New York (City). My living room windows looked down >on Little Italy- when it was still Little Italy, before it became >gentrified >Soho. It was near the Holland Tunnel. Great traffic jam chords- >impertinent, impatient- like Mingus sometimes, all that brass, ya know- >cacophony. > >I sat at my window expecting a song would go by Underneath The Streetlight. >These are some things I saw. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Lama _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:03:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Name That Tune", part7 About the last track on the "WILD THINGS RUN FAST" disc, the bonus track, the so-called demo of Two Grey Rooms, Joni said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two Grey Rooms unfinished demo version Words and Music by Joni Mitchell (previously unreleased from the Wild Things Run Fast sessions) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it. I posted the whole story in JMDL Digest V2003 #484 on 25 September anyway. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:06:11 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "Name That Tune", part5; 100% JC Plastics?? Bree >For this song about a fickle lover, Joni replace her original backing >singer >with a different one. :) How sly is that? The song is "Ladies Man". >(Shouldn't it be "Ladies' Man" as it is in the lyric?) > >Roberta Joan Anderson-Mitchell-Klein said, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I invited Don Henley to come and sing with me on this one. After he left, >when I was playing it back, I was amazed at how similar our voices sounded. >It took a while to even noticed that a new singer had been introduced. So >I >went across the hall to where Lionel Richie was recording and I conscripted >him. There was the contrast I wanted, so I replaced Don with Lionel. The >old cutting room floor routine. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Lama wondering who else would have the chutzpah to cut Henley's >contribution >to their album... _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:14:18 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlet..." continued... When Scarlet used the drapes to make a gown she "stole" from her beloved Tara. Impermanent herself, she protected her claim on "the only thing that lasts". Her father said, "Tara. It's the only thing that lasts." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:24:09 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #494 - BSN again BSN and Travelouge have fine -- beautiful moments -- but ultimately baffle and dishearten, too. I listened to BSN (twice) last weekend, the first listening in at least nine months. I found that my earlier fondness and reverence for that album -- was confirmed. I know some of you hate it, consider it a low point. For me it stands up and lasts. I also found the voice to be in considerably finer shape than I had considered earlier (probably comparing it to Travelogue now). Perhaps I will listen to Travelogue months from now and my opinion will be elevated, or remain where it is, which is "ultimately baffling and disheartening." Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:46:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: "Shades of Scarlett..." I still haven't quite decided whether Joni was reverting to a stereotype on this one or not. The one line that bothers me in this respect is 'she comes from a school of southern charm' - which may only have been a poetic way of saying this character comes from the American South. But the phrase seems to carry with it some implications of what this woman's personality is like, at least on the surface anyway. If you put all that aside, I don't think the song necessarily says anything about the American South or southern women. She is describing a woman who has characterics very like Scarlet O'Hara, who of course is a character from the South. But I think the chief parallel that Joni is trying to draw is more to Scarlet's shallowness, vanity, self-centeredness and her driven nature. I think Scarlet's being the stereotypical southern belle is beside the point. Besides, the song is titled *Shades* of Scarlet Conquering, which to me implies a suggestion of the heroine of GWTW in this woman's character, not an exact replica. I see this person as a very determined character, born into a family that doesn't have much as far as money and material things go. She is fairly young, attractive and has learned how to be a very skillful manipulator. She has a high opinion of herself and lets you know it. She has set her sites on being wealthy and getting out of her present situation. At the same time she has this romanticized idea of what the perfect mate should be like from watching old movies on television. When a movie company comes to her town to shoot on location, she pushes her way into being first in line at the call for extras. Once in, she proceeds to flirt with, wheedle, date and/or do any guy that she thinks might somehow get her into the movie business or get her further along on her road to material success. Some of her 'entertaining' goes on into the late hours of the night with the music turned up too loud or results in noisey love-making or drunken brawls, as the case may be. She manages to steal at least some of the wardrobe she wears as an extra in the movie. Someone has already pointed out that the line about her hands is a contrast. The 'gentle hands' belie the decidedly ungentle nature of the woman they belong to. The real story is in the blood-red fingernails, hard, shiney, faux-glamorous and somewhat claw-like. She lives in denial about the more sordid nature of her life but it finds its way into her dreams and she doesn't like what she dreams. The men who get involved with her are lured on by a nature that seems sweet and pliant on the surface. But they soon find out that underneath the pretty veneer is someone who is not pleasant to be around when she doesn't get her way. She would like to find a rich husband, someone like one of those old movie stars she idealizes. But she doesn't really want to lose her independence and no-one she has met has ever lived up to her expectations. She doesn't just want everything, she feels it is her right to have it all. I kind of made this up as I went. I had never really formulated my thoughts on this song before. I always loved the images and turns of phrase so much but wondered if this wasn't a rather superficial sketch. Now that I've written all of this, I don't think it is. Once again, Joni has given us just enough in her lyrics to draw any number of conclusions. Don't ya just love it? Chicka-boom, chicka-boom boom boom Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Mac, I think our Joan was in Cellophane Mode and ill on that tour. There was a circus / medicine show environment on that tour so almost anyone could have been a coyote on any given night. Maybe it was Ramblin' Jack Elliot on an off-night backstreet in Altoona, Pennsylvania observed from down the hall by a travel-sick Singer-Songwriter. Personally though, I don't think it was inspired by the Rolling Thunder thing. Joni's barely in Shepard's book, "The Rolling Thunder Log" and from Simon's table of Appearances, I was lucky to see her on that tour. I think she actually did Coyote on that tour. It seems like many dim years ago but my flickering memory was what ever song she did in Rochester, New York's War Memorial was an honest-to-God-radio-hit-of-the-moment and was either "Coyote" or "Amelia". Coyote fits the upbeat, driving-tune memory better... Lama, feeling like I'm going to be almost single-handedly responsible for Digest #495 in 3 hours. >>>So the question is how many men have been speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan, Robbie Robertson, now Sam Shepherd. I guess you could take the list of all the men who were in the Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your hat and pick one. Not that Joni did them all...just that Joni ain't tellin. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:55:01 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: NJC Bette sings Rosie I'd be interested in hearing Bette's new recording. I actually like Rosemary Clooney quite a bit and have a rather large collection of her 78s, as well as a couple of CDs, but if Bette is doing some of the more popular and/or novelty Clooney songs, most of those songs from the 50s were only perhaps three minutes long - so that could make 10 songs! I wonder if she does "Mambo Italiano" or "Sailor Boys Have Talked To Me In English?" :-) Best, Gary Zack Detroit Catherine McKay wrote: > --- patrick leader wrote: > >>jfp - bette midler sings the rosemary clooney >>songbook (just released today. >>so good, but only 30 minutes long. what's up with >>that?) >> > >Christ! she must sing really FAST! > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 02:08:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 1 On October 1 the following articles were published: 1979: "Joan, Joni, and Neil: '60s Stars in the '70s" - Chatelaine (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=10 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=377 1998: "Tiger, Tiger" - Boston Globe (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=53 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #495 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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