From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #494 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 494 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hey y'all - newbie here ["Dylan Rush" ] Joni's Birthday Bash in the UK [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] Fwd: clandestine: M-W's Daily Buzzword -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] rate your music ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Dylan and Joni sittin in a tree [Bobsart48@aol.com] njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers [Susan McNamara ] Re: Hey y'all - newbie here [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued...(Actually Hissing) [Steve Polifka] Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: was: box set bummer, now: Augusten Burroughs -- NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Tuesday: mammoth post --life after DJRD ... horoscope ... kvetching [zenp] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... -- NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers [lfye@cresapartners.com] Hey y'all - newbie here njc ["Kate Bennett" ] off topic - message for Bob ["vernon parker" ] Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers [Susan McNamara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:26:28 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here >Hello Dylan, > > I'm Marja from california and sixteen and play guitar (amongst other >things) and I love Blue. >So, what's some of your favorite joni stuff? > >always, marja Hey Marja, Good to see another young'un into Joni! "Blue" I adore, and it's amazing how well that album did commercially for the depressing, melancholy, soul-laid-bare thing that it is. I love playing songs from it on guitar - the intro to "A Case of You" especially. Have you experimented with Joni's use of alternate tunings? It's good fun, but be prepared to break many a string! I got into Joni through her jazzy stuff and I'm really more fond of that period, though - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is amazing, the first disc especially. Then of course you've got Hejira, Hissing, Mingus, etc. all some of the greatest things ever put to record. _________________________________________________________________ Chat via SMS. Simply send 'CHAT' to 1889918. More info at http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/MoChat.asp?blipid=6800 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:25 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Joni's Birthday Bash in the UK Dear Friends Just to let you know that the details for Joni's birthday party celebration on Saturday afternoon (November 8th)over here in the UK are now posted on my web site www.anitagabrielle.com If anyone has any more queries, please contact me. The invitation is to come as a Joni look-a-like or your favourite Joni song. A friend of mine has said he's going to come as a 5 metre square bright green lawn and hiss at everyone. Can't wait to see that........... Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:17:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: clandestine: M-W's Daily Buzzword -- NJC Return-Path: Received: from rly-xi03.mx.aol.com (rly-xi03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.8]) by air-xi03.mail.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXI31-4d73f792adf212; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:04:34 -0400 Received: from blast1.myfree.com (blast1.myfree.com [64.132.70.201]) by rly-xi03.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXI39-4d73f792adf212; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:04:04 -0400 Received: from lanai.startsampling.com ([64.85.80.203]) by blast1.myfree.com with SMTP (Lyris ListManager WIN32 version 6.1b); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:13:52 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by lanai.startsampling.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) id h8NIDTq21375; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:13:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:00:00 -0500 Message-Id: From: Daily-Buzzword@m-w.com To: MURPHYCOPY@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: clandestine: M-W's Daily Buzzword List-Unsubscribe: Reply-To: word@m-w.com X-AOL-IP: 64.132.70.201 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) *************************************************************** The dictionary of the future has arrived! Check out the 3-in-1 format of the Eleventh Edition of our Collegiate Dictionary! http://www.merriam-webster.com/book/diction/c11.htm *************************************************************** What is the Daily Buzzword for September 30? clandestine \klan-DESS-tin\ adjective What does it mean? : done in secret How do you use it? "That opening of the door which I had heard after I had returned to my room might mean that he had gone out to keep some clandestine appointment." Are you a word wiz? If you think our example sounds like it is a quotation from a book, you're right. We're not keeping it a secret, we just want you to guess who wrote that sentence using "clandestine." Which author do you think wrote the quotation? A. Robert Louis Stevenson in _Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde_ B. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in _The Hound of the Baskervilles_ C. Carolyn Keene in _The Picture Perfect Mystery_ D. Agatha Christie in _And Then There Were None_ Answer: You may be a detective in the making if you figured out that the quotation comes from the famous Sherlock Holmes story _The Hound of the Baskervilles_. A natural choice for mystery writers, "clandestine" is often used as a synonym of "secret" and "covert." All three words mean "done without attracting observation." "Clandestine," however, is commonly used for actions that involve secrecy that is kept for an evil, illicit, or unauthorized purpose. Often, "clandestine" emphasizes fear of being discovered in the act of doing something wrong. *************************************************************** Brought to you by Merriam-Webster's Word Central http://www.wordcentral.com *************************************************************** To subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Daily Buzzword, visit: http://www.startsampling.com/sm/wod/buzz_signup.html (c) 2003 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated *mf mwb 093003 MURPHYCOPY@aol.com mf* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:05:12 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: rate your music Has anyone else found 'rate your music?' A fun website where one is able to rate albums. I don't know how they come upon their ratings that are listed on the main page but charles mingus' album 'the black saint and the sinner lady' is rated number one. Dear Joan is at number 14 with 'Blue.' mack np: Daryl Hall-Can't Stop Dreaming. (Thank you, thank you, thank you Sherelle Smith) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:36:04 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan and Joni sittin in a tree Dylan wrote: > Just like to introduce myself to you lot - My name is Dylan, I am 13, live > in Australia and have the entire Joni back catalogue on vinyl. I adore her > music, play guitar and very rarely listen to anything but Joni. I look > forward to meeting you all. Dylan - er, how can I say this - I think you've come to the right place. Welcome aboard to the 13 year old with the best taste down under. Bobsart (from New Jersey USA) By the way, this 'exclusivity tendency' of yours is not a unique syndrome around here, as witness my recent post and Steve Toogood's reply: Bob wrote: > What I'm saying is not just that I'm spoiled. I'm saying Joni sort of ruined > listening to popular music for me. Darn her. Her work is just so superior. Oh I so know what you mean Bob! Anything I listen to now I totally pick apart and when I do like something it rarely stands the test of time like Joni's material. Of course there are some and when there is it's a nice surprise. - Steve T PPS - This weekend I took an overdose of Emmylou therapy to see if I could do something about this 'problem'. I let you know if it's working a month from now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:51:45 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies These things are of course hugely annoying, but what makes them even more maddening is that 90% of them seem to be advertising sites that promise to help you get rid of the bloody things! just stop trying to sell me this "invaluable service" and I won't have a problem anymore, got that?? Anyway, my computer wiz brother has told me that there's no way of disabling this pop-up business, and though he has forgotten more about computers that I will ever know, I'm not sure I believe him. So, does anyone out there know any different? Will going to one of these sites (popupblocker.com and so on) actually work?? Azeem in London NP: Lewis Taylor - Lewis II ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:53:42 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... > Anyway, thanks for your thoughts on the song Bob -- you've given me a > new way to consider it; You're quite welcome...and I know what you mean...thanks to this group I've been able to reconsider many opinions I had on these songs, or form some on songs about which I was totally clueless. Truth be told, it's my favorite activity on the list. > Though my sense still rings strong that there's a larger, more > impersonal commentary going down about the whole Southern female > "phenomena" and mindset -- which, despite cliches, Mitchell > circled so > tightly in the song. And this line indicates that she is not in fact a part of the film business but merely a voyeur like the rest of us: "Mimicking tenderness she sees In sentimental movies" Like I said yesterday, we haven't discussed this song much, so a lot of this is just thinking out loud...there is a real parallel between "Scarlett" & "Harry's House", both involve women trapped in some kind of a fantasy that's SUPPOSED to grant them happiness & fulfillment, one in modern suburbia, one as a "Magnolia", a southern belle. Living in the southeast US now for the past 35 years, I definitely have seen many Scarletts. I think this line: "She covers her eyes in the x-rated scenes Running from the reels" Is indicative of how Southern women deny their sexuality. This one: "With her impossibly gentle hands And her blood-red fingernails" (Elvis' favorite) Deals with the fact that Southern aristocratic women would have maids to do their dirty work, hence their hands would be soft & gentle, their nails painted & lovely. (And if they didn't have a maid and had to do that work themselves, they would try to disguise it) So that brings us back to the 'stolen clothes'...they could be literally stolen from a shop, I suppose, a kleptomaniacal thing, theft to substitute for love or satisfaction. Maybe she dreams of owning/wearing those 'belle-of-the-ball' sweeping ballroom gowns but can't afford them. Maybe she borrowed the clothes from a neighbor, or maybe she bought them at a thrift shop. (Southern Junior Leaguers, the "precious ladies" as my wife calls them, run second-hand thrift shops where they sell their old fashions). Maybe that's where she stole them from? Anyway, it's fun to talk about, even if I'm a million miles away from what Joni had in mind. How wonderful to be able to write in such a beautiful blur that gives people the opportunity to try and bring it into focus, or simply to make an interpretation that applies to them personally. Bob NP: Ani Difranco, "The Poet Game" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:15:16 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Hi Gang: Someone asked if I could post the answers to this quiz: At 9:02 AM -0400 9/30/03, Susan McNamara wrote: >Question #1 >Joni is known as a confessional songwriter. One >of the best examples of this is the song Little >Green. What is this song about and what event >in the recent past brought the subject of the >song full circle? > >Joni lyric hint: "So you sign all the papers in >the family name, you're sad and you're sorry but >you're not ashamed of Little Green, have a happy >ending." ANSWER: Song is about Joni giving her daughter up for adoption, then in 1997 through an email to the jonimitchell.com website Kilauren Gibb discovered that Joni was her mother and they reunited. waaahh... At 9:02 AM -0400 9/30/03, Susan McNamara wrote: >Question #2 >An interviewer asked this Rock God who he >thought were some of the best women songwriters >in Rock and Roll? He answered that he didn't >know of any. When the interviewer asked >incredulously, "What about Joni Mitchell?" he >answered, "Joni Mitchell is a man." Who made >this notorious quote? > >Joni lyric hint: "Coyote was jumping straight >up and making passes, He had those same eyes >just like yours, Under your dark glasses" ANSWER: Bob Dylan the man who can outrage and thrill in one sentence. :-) At 9:02 AM -0400 9/30/03, Susan McNamara wrote: >Question #3 >What hard living, gun-toting Rocker produced >Joni's first album? He is also known for the >quote: "Joni Mitchell is as modest as Mussolini!" > >Joni lyric hint: "The taste of the spray he >takes, And he learns to give, He aches and he >learns to live , He stakes all his silver ... >On a promise to be free" Answer: David Crosby At 9:02 AM -0400 9/30/03, Susan McNamara wrote: >Question #4 >Who was one of Joni's big Studio 54 dancing >buddies who also sang backup on the album Don >Juan's Reckless Daughter? > >Joni lyric hint: "Betsy's blue she says, "Tell me something good!" Answer: Chaka Khan...Chaka Khan At 9:02 AM -0400 9/30/03, Susan McNamara wrote: >Question #5 >The Bold Joni has had a vast array of >interesting lovers. On Wild Things Run Fast, >four men who were former lovers and a roommate >appear on the song "Man to Man." Who were they? > >Joni lyric hint: "How come I keep movin from Man to Man to Man ?" Answer: James Taylor on guitar and background vocals, John Guerin on Drums, Larry Klein on bass and David Geffen signing checks somewhere. At 9:02 AM -0400 9/30/03, Susan McNamara wrote: >Question #6 >On her birthday in 1998, Joni attended a >performance by John Kelly and after the show >presented him with one of her dulcimers. What >genre does John Kelly perform? > >Joni lyric hint: " they paved paradise and put up a parking lot " Answer: John Kelly is a performance artist/female impersonator whose show "Paved Paradise" featured himself as Joni Mitchell and his piano player as Georgia O'Keeffe. - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:19:38 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here > "what sort of funny lady would have a Greatest Misses album?". Yep, that's our Joni in a nutshell! > I never got round to listening to any of her stuff until hearing the Maire > Brennan (Enya's sister) new age cover of Big Yellow Taxi last year. So, yet another Joni fan who enters by way of COVERS! ;~) > I got hooked on "God Must Be A > Boogie Man", to date my favourite Joni song, because of the strange feel of > it all - the emptiness, the choir, the guitar, Jaco's bass. Wow, that would be bizarre to have "Mingus" as an intro to Joni. For a lot of fans, Mingus was the point where they parted company with her. I didn't really get it at first myself, but that was only because I hadn't matured musically. Needless to say you are way ahead of me! > I must've played "Coyote" a million times. Given the theme of that LP, and the feel of the songs, I can't imagine a better opener - it just instantly puts you on the road with its bouncy playful feel. And ROTR makes for the perfect closer too. And everything in between - equally perfect! > (I have > Shadows and Light on VHS, too... what did we all think of that video? It was > good, but it certaintly wasn't what I expected.) What were you expecting? For me it was great, because it assimilated the Mingus stuff that I wasn't fully appreciating at the time with the stuff that I absolutely loved, and interpreted it through some of the finest musicians that have ever come together, including Michael Brecker who doesn't get the credit he deserves imo. I like that the movie includes Jaco's solo which the LP omitted, and that haunting "Woodstock" at the end is the creme de la creme! Now I could do without some of the mildly pretentious movie bits, but it does help to break up the straight concert footage. > In fairness, though, the only bad > songs she ever made were recorded during the Geffen period - the corny > "Dancin' Clown" and the preachy, excruciating "Lakota" and "Ethiopia". I like the latter two fairly well. On Rachel Z's wonderful Joni tribute to Joni from last year, she presents an impressive long interpretation of Lakota where she really examines the melody and rhythms of this song. Those who have overlooked Rachel Z's CD need to check it out. Besides, she has a couple of other bad songs out there..."Pirate of Penance" from her debut is pretty much of a dud, and "No Apologies" from TTT is preachier than Lakota and Ethiopia, and offers even less melodic interest. > Does anyone know what Cherokee Louise and The Windfall are > about? Cherokee Louise is about her childhood friend Mary Waddington, a foster child. I'm guessing she's also the Louise in the push-up brassiere, but I don't know about that. > Also, I'm getting into Prince these days - any Prince fans in the house? I'm > going to his Sydney concert in three weeks time... Has > anyone heard his > cover of "A Case of U"? Our collection of covers has 2 different versions of this, which of course his purple majesty has titled "A Case of U", one from a live video from '83, the other a beautiful solo piano recording he made in the studio not too long ago. As for me being a Prince fan, I picked up on him way back when "Dirty Mind" came out. His songs have such a delicious groove to them, and he's not afraid to declare his rampant sexuality right alongside his deep spirituality which I find particularly refreshing. He is of course a humongo Joni fan, throwing in a number of references to her and her music along the way. I haven't followed him every step of the way, but a new Prince project always gets my attention and he's put out quite a few albums that didn't get the attention they deserved, simply because they were the wrong thing at the wrong time, a "crime" that Joni has been guilty of too, much like anyone who follows a muse rather than a business plan. Bob NP:Robin Lee Berry, "Hey Baby Hey" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:21:10 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued...(Actually Hissing) Hey all, At Joni's Jazz in NYC in '99, Chaka Khan started to tell the story behind the song Hissing of Summer Lawns, which she was about to perform. So she's rapping with Joni who is sitting in one of the front rows to the right. and she said something like: "Remember Joni? When you went to Jose Feliciano's house?" and Joni stood up and sushed her and I thought, damn, just when we were about to get the dirt! Steve At 07:16 PM 9/29/2003 -0700, zenpop@mindspring.com wrote: >Bob replied re: SOSC and HOSL... > >> Given that the title song is based on Jose Feliciano, I'm tempted to >> believe that SOSC is also a portrait of somebody specific, obviously >> someone tied to the film industry with all the cinematic references. > >That's interesting and makes me chuckle, because, during the 70s, when >I lived in LA, I was friends with Patsy Webb, the songwriter Jimmy >Webb's wife (at the time). Consensus in that household was that the >song was written about her/them (!). Though, Feliciano makes more >sense, I suppose -- "latin drum" and all. What was certain, and >gossiped about from time to time was the infamous playback party, which >the Webbs were present for -- where Dylan caught some zzzzs through the >master tape of CAS. Now THAT'S a scene from a movie. Last I spoke with >Patsy she was writing a book -- no doubt that event will be recounted >(again). > >Anyway, thanks for your thoughts on the song Bob -- you've given me a >new way to consider it; this I found particularly interesting: > >>> "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands..." >> >> I take this to mean she's wearing a costume or clothing from one of the >> films she was in...like she's trying to re-capture the glory of that >> time, perhaps "A woman must have everything" was a famous line from >> that >> same film, so she dresses in the costume, walks through the scenes, and >> repeats the script in an attempt to remind herself of her former fame. > >That's probably THE most cryptic line in the whole song ("..stolen >clothes...", to me. > >Though my sense still rings strong that there's a larger, more >impersonal commentary going down about the whole Southern female >"phenomena" and mindset -- which, despite cliches, Mitchell circled so >tightly in the song. > >> >> NP: Billy Preston, "Outaspace" > >I love this, now playing thing -- and must, here on out copy ;-) > >NP: On The Alamo -- (from Benny Goodman Sextet featuring Charlie >Christian.) > >Cheers, > >Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:34:29 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies Hi Azeem... There is a way of getting rid of those pop-ups. In the tech section of my local paper several weeks ago there was a procedure to disable them. I can't remember the step by step way to do this. (like a dummy.. did not save the clipping) I'm hoping there is someone out there who can assist you and others. Those sites to get rid of them do work ..but why pay.. when you can do it yourself. The best... Bree >Anyway, my computer wiz brother has told me that there's no way of >disabling >this pop-up business, and though he has forgotten more about computers that >I >will ever know, I'm not sure I believe him. So, does anyone out there know >any different? Will going to one of these sites (popupblocker.com and so >on) >actually work?? > >Azeem in London >NP: Lewis Taylor - Lewis II _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:17:24 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies Hi, Azeem! As someone has already mentiones here, try Google's Toolbar: I've installed a month ago and ut really works: it's easy to handle (as instance, you can allow pop-up in certain sites just clicking once, etc) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Mr. Tambourine man, The Byrds, Louisville, Kentucky ??/??/70 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: martes, 30 de septiembre de 2003 14:51 Asunto: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies > These things are of course hugely annoying, but what makes them even more > maddening is that 90% of them seem to be advertising sites that promise to help > you get rid of the bloody things! just stop trying to sell me this "invaluable > service" and I won't have a problem anymore, got that?? > > Anyway, my computer wiz brother has told me that there's no way of disabling > this pop-up business, and though he has forgotten more about computers that I > will ever know, I'm not sure I believe him. So, does anyone out there know > any different? Will going to one of these sites (popupblocker.com and so on) > actually work?? > > Azeem in London > NP: Lewis Taylor - Lewis II ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:59:45 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... (long) Do you think that one of the virtues of HOSL is the way that Joni presents what may well be cultural stereotypes only in order to complicate them--I'm thinking of "Shades of Scarlett, but also "Edith & the Kingpin," the title track, "Harry's House"--which to my mind is more effective with "Centerpiece" interpolated than without it. (Though I love those stripped down demos, thanks Bob.) Sonically, it's 3 dimensional (in its fully produced state), but it seemed a bit thin lyrically to me back when it came out. I don't feel this way now. Digression: Where is the group of southern women to sing "Hope Joni Mitchell will remember / Southern Belle don't need her around / Anyhow"? Seriously, the protagonist of "Shades" sometimes strikes me as stereotyped and thinly realized. Until I notice that HOSL is a kind of portrait gallery that builds toward its ulitmate quasi-transcendent moment (I say "quasi" because "Shadows and Light" refuses transcendence except as expressed materially in the work of art.) There's a lot of self-criticism and self-awareness in Hissing that complicates rather than validates what might be taken to be condescension toward the characters. That is, it ultimately isn't condescension. Joni recognizes something of herself in Scarlett--she too has sometimes bought into "all those vain promises on beauty jars." When I first bought this lp on the day of its release in 1975, I immediately liked its sound and seriousness better than Court and Spark (which I also loved). I took it over to the house of a girl (woman?--we were 20). After we listened to it we got in an argument about it--she violently criticizing & I defending it as "way better than 'Court and Spark.'" And that was our last date. Richard still formulating thoughts on Mingus np Blonde on Blonde--the sonically improved edition ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies Okay Azeem and the rest of us computer illiterates - i received this just the other day from someone on line - and it works! Hell I fixed the problem - so I know you will too! It looks like it has something to do with on of your instant messaging programs, doesn't it? But it doesn't. It is a new kind of popup that takes advantage of the alerter and messenger functions built into Windows XP and Windows 2000. One legitimate use of the function is a notification from a battery backup unit to to your PC that its battery is getting low. Chances are that a personal computer that is not attached to a corporate network does not need either of these functions, so it is a fairly easy matter to turn them off and avoid the messages. From the control panel, click Administrative Tools. Then click on Services. For both Alerter and Messenger, double-click the name, click Stop, and select Startup Type Disabled. You will see no more of these popups. Peace, (at last) Susan AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: These things are of course hugely annoying, but what makes them even more maddening is that 90% of them seem to be advertising sites that promise to help you get rid of the bloody things! just stop trying to sell me this "invaluable service" and I won't have a problem anymore, got that?? Anyway, my computer wiz brother has told me that there's no way of disabling this pop-up business, and though he has forgotten more about computers that I will ever know, I'm not sure I believe him. So, does anyone out there know any different? Will going to one of these sites (popupblocker.com and so on) actually work?? Azeem in London NP: Lewis Taylor - Lewis II The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies Okay Azeem and the rest of us computer illiterates - i received this just the other day from someone on line - and it works! Hell I fixed the problem - so I know you will too! It looks like it has something to do with on of your instant messaging programs, doesn't it? But it doesn't. It is a new kind of popup that takes advantage of the alerter and messenger functions built into Windows XP and Windows 2000. One legitimate use of the function is a notification from a battery backup unit to to your PC that its battery is getting low. Chances are that a personal computer that is not attached to a corporate network does not need either of these functions, so it is a fairly easy matter to turn them off and avoid the messages. From the control panel, click Administrative Tools. Then click on Services. For both Alerter and Messenger, double-click the name, click Stop, and select Startup Type Disabled. You will see no more of these popups. Peace, (at last) Susan AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: These things are of course hugely annoying, but what makes them even more maddening is that 90% of them seem to be advertising sites that promise to help you get rid of the bloody things! just stop trying to sell me this "invaluable service" and I won't have a problem anymore, got that?? Anyway, my computer wiz brother has told me that there's no way of disabling this pop-up business, and though he has forgotten more about computers that I will ever know, I'm not sure I believe him. So, does anyone out there know any different? Will going to one of these sites (popupblocker.com and so on) actually work?? Azeem in London NP: Lewis Taylor - Lewis II The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:57:40 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) New Jonatha L.A. dates in December From the "Full-Fledged Strangers" group on Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ffstrangers): - ----- We are thrilled to report that Jonatha [Brooke] will be performing in LA at Largo (432 N. Fairfax) on Tuesday, December 2nd and Wednesday, December 3rd, 2003. You can expect to hear some old material as well as new works in progress. For reservations call 323 852 1073. Hope to see you there!! - ----- Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:10:21 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here Hi Dylan! Did your parents name you after Bob .DYLAN? So you started appreciating Joni when you were twelve..this amazes me!! Any chance that you would be able to come to the fest next year? I'd love to meet you. So glad you are here...chime in often. Now here is where we part..below you wrote THE EXCRUCIATING ETHIOPIA. I think Joni was able to through this song really make you feel the plight.. not ONLY of the Ethiopians but any people or individuals that are less fortunate. I think Joni was just so sickened by the TV preachers exploiting their plight, the misery.. for their OWN gain..... that she felt compelled to write this. Give it another listen...hopefully you will hear it in a new light? Bree >old school fans to dig. In fairness, though, the only bad songs she ever >made were recorded during the Geffen period - the corny "Dancin' Clown" and >the preachy, excruciating "Lakota" and "Ethiopia". _________________________________________________________________ >Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here >http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:24:40 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc MSN "pop-up" messenger thingies Great Susan!! These were the commands in the paper the other day to get rid of the pesky pop-ups. I haven't been popped since. Bree >es are that a personal computer that is not attached to a corporate network >does not need either of these functions, so it is a fairly easy matter to >turn them off and avoid the messages. > >From the control panel, click Administrative Tools. Then click on >Services. For both Alerter and Messenger, double-click the name, click >Stop, and select Startup Type Disabled. You will see no more of these >popups. > >Peace, (at last) >Susan > > > >AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >These things are of course hugely annoying, but what makes them even more >maddening is that 90% of them seem to be advertising sites that promise to >help >you get rid of the bloody things! just stop trying to sell me this >"invaluable >service" and I won't have a problem anymore, got that?? > >Anyway, my computer wiz brother has told me that there's no way of >disabling >this pop-up business, and though he has forgotten more about computers that >I >will ever know, I'm not sure I believe him. So, does anyone out there know >any different? Will going to one of these sites (popupblocker.com and so >on) >actually work?? > >Azeem in London >NP: Lewis Taylor - Lewis II >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:06 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: DJRD Hi Bill, Yeah, I agree it looks like she had jt in mind but I don't think it's actually about him if you know what I mean. As in so much of DJRD, she's talking about the hugeness of modern life, like how a stringbean from Carolina can get swept up into hero worship. He's an example of what she's talking about but it's not about him. What I mean is, "Pack your suspenders / I'll come meet your plane." Now that is *ABOUT* jt. It's a straightforward portrait. In "Shades Of Scarlett Conquering", she's using examples from the book/film "Gone With The Wind" to illustrate a woman of heart and mind. She's not saying, "Scartlett did this / scarlett did that / after a while life's an old hat." It's not retelling the story of Scarlett. She's calling on Scarlett to say something else. One more example? In the song "Refuge Of The Roads", she's talking about escape and jt pops up again: "I fell in with some drifters Cast upon a beachtown Winn Dixie cold cut [theives] and highway hand me downs. I wound up fixing dinner for them and Boston Jim. I well up with affection Thinking back down the roads to then." The word theives isn't in the copywritten version but I know I've heard it and it points at The Band. Anyway, the song's about the Road and although he's a stop, he's not the road. This is "Metaphor in Literature-301". As I've said before, a campfire is about fellowship and not about flames. Lama "Bill Branyon" > DJRD I believe is about James Taylor. I.e. - "And a > 'country road' came off the wall, and swooped down on > the crowd at the bar." and "Restless sweeps like 'fire > and rain' over virgin wilderness. Prowls like hookers > and theives through bolt-locked tenements. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:52:57 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... After the fall of Atlanta in GONE WITH THE WIND, Scarlett's wealth is ruined. She's planning on welcoming what's-his-name Brett? but she doesn't have her nice clothes anymore. She's been picking cotton. She pulled the velvet curtains down and had her housekeeper make a dress from it. Scarlett's wearing a fake. It's overstatement to call them "stolen clothes" but that's what it means to me. > That's probably THE most cryptic line in the whole > song ("..stolen > clothes...", to me. She's been humbled but her resolve is unshaken. Joni said, > She stands > cast-iron and frail I doubt that Joni knew this but cast-iron is hard but brittle. If you hit a cast-iron stove with a sledge hammer it will crack. > With her impossibly gentle hands > and her blood-red fingernails She's wandered beyond the story here cause she had such a great visual image. In the book, Rhett catches Scarlett because she has the rough hands of a cotton-picker. In Joni's lyric, her hands are soft and sweet but they carry the color of grisly resolve. This is a fine example of Joni's duality (paradox, contradiction) and the fact that she give you "a visual" to carry around makes it even more..... world-class. Lama I noticed last night that in "JungleLand" Springsteen refers to his characters indirectly: > travleled down from Angola (a city in New York state) > chasing the Rat and the barefoot girl. This reminded me of Dylan's "Black Diamond Bay" where the panama hat keeps popping up. I think maybe Bruce nicked this device. Later, in one of the Wilbury albums, Dylan made a nod to the Boss: > They knew they'd find freedom just across the Jersey line > so they hopped into a stolen car > took highway 99. > It was [out on Thunder Road] > Tweeter at the wheel..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:00:50 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here I agree! I like the way you write. Most people do not understand how she can switch from one set of tools to another but you hit it exactly. >>>>> I love the Geffen recordings, and don't know why they're bagged out so much. Wild Things Run Fast is good fun and her usual standard of beautiful songwriting. Dog Eat Dog is a brilliant album, and shows her willingness to experiment with the technology of the era. Her songwriting has always been five-star, no matter what technology she uses. >>>>> You really *get* this stuff. Shine on, you crazy diamond. BTW, On the S&L video, I especially like "Dry Cleaners From Des Moines". I think Jaco sped up the tempo at the end and shoved the whole band to keep up. I think it rocks. Hell, I think it SMOKES. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:08:01 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: was: box set bummer, now: Augusten Burroughs -- NJC > No, but I would love to read his (two?) books. Three: Sellevision, Running with Scissors, and Dry: A Memoir. I've read only the last, and it was very, very good. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:12:49 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) America with Gregg Cagno Forgive me if this has already been posted, but I just saw this at http://www.birchmere.com/calendar/calendar_list.cfm: AMERICA with Gregg Cagno Date: Thursday 10/9/2003 Time: 7:30 PM Cost: $45.00 Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:55:41 -0700 From: zenpop@mindspring.com Subject: Tuesday: mammoth post --life after DJRD ... horoscope ... kvetching 1. Hi Dylan! Big welcome to the list (from someone who was just hailed last week). I thoroughly enjoyed your recounting of discovering Joni -- and then your subsequent sonic discoveries thereafter. Especially making an "entry" via Mingus! Wow! that's a mindbender...Fascinating, too, that you enjoy the Geffen recordings -- and I couldn't help but wonder if not having followed a chronological thread, as most of us "old timers" have, in experiencing Joni's musical art, shaped your response to the Geffen material? Meaning, you'd uninfluenced ears and weren't influenced by (what I call) her mid-career brilliance. Speaking of which: 2. Someone mentioned the other day (one of the other threads, shit I can't remember which now, so I'm paraphrasing...), how DJRD was a kind of pinnacle disc, with everything post being sub-quality, until NRH. Something like that. Those are my sentiments, too -- with Mingus held in abeyance in my head -- a kind of wildcard (in a bardo, if you will). I've always considered the live disc, Shadows and Light, to be a sonic portrait of a career entering crisis/meltdown mode -- it feels slightly contrived and very manic (like everyone was on cocaine), overly striving; ultimately misguided -- with smatterings of genius and fine musicianship intermixed -- but in the end: a mess; a sad portent. And then (cue screeching violins from the shower scene in Psycho): the "Geffen Years" -- those consistent disasters. I've often contemplated, in genuine wonder, how the same artist who composed the song Blue could also write something as horrifyingly bad as, say, Dancin' Clown or The Reoccuring Dream -- without anyone in her circle pulling her aside and saying, "No, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!" On one hand I applaud (well, I need two hands for that actually) Mitchell for bucking fans and critics and continuing to chase her muse via her own experiments and style shifts and technological toolings, but then, on the other hand, I have to acknowledge my reactions to those efforts -- and admit, for me, my heart sank with each subsequent release. BSN and Travelouge have fine -- beautiful moments -- but ultimately baffle and dishearten, too. The disappointment is actually related to comparing, say, those two projects with contemporary offerings from an artist like like Emmylou Harris (which isn't fair, I know -- and is an "apples and oranges" thing). I played Harris's new disc the other day and was drop jaw with how cohesive and surprising it is -- ranking as one of the most powerful discs of her career. She is pushing hard on the edges of her country "genre," and creating something fresh and untried, a wonderful extension from the Wrecking Ball disc, which, as another example, was shocking and magnificent. Harris is willing to work with others, allowing instincts to intermingle (ala Daniel Lanois). Joni, I think, could have benefited from this kind of partnering/alchemy -- instead the Geffens and BSN and Travelouge all feel solipsistic, bloated -- in need of editing and the sort of objectivity born of camaraderie and fearless feedback. 3. Richard. LOVED your ruminations on HOSL. And the image of breaking up with your girlfriend, after arguing its virtues, is priceless -- that brought a smile to my face. I recall the same sort of heated debates and fractures after Hejira was released. THAT one just pushed people over the edge in my circle, "There aren't any 'real' songs...Where's the chorus?...Where's the piano?...Why is that one song NINE minutes long [SFS]?" 4. On a totally different note. As an astrologer I'm interested in confirming Joni's ascendant. In the recent bio , there's a chapter that opens with Mitchell saying she's a Scorpio, moon in Pisces with Sag rising -- when I read that it felt completely right on. But then I've also heard that her ascendant is Cancer. Anyone know which is which? 5. I'm curious, has the "list" ever considered going into a message board format? I'm finding it difficult to maneuver through the different email responses to topics I receive separate from the list, and then, too responses that are folded into the list itself -- not to mention remembering who I wanted to respond to, after having read something earlier, and then having to go back and rummage through my inbox to find the list missive, that's usually eight feet long, scrolling through that to locate a passage I wanted to address, cutting and pasting hunks of text into the new email, blah blah blah. NOT to sound like the kvetching interloper, or anything ;-) but, "I'm just saying..." It seems a message board would be so much easier to interact with and maneuver. OK, two cents delivered. NP: Miles Davis -- Nefertiti Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:06:31 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... -- NJC Muller writes: << Truth be told, it's my favorite activity on the list. >> What about birthday wishes, death taxes threads and my posts, Bob? XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:10:57 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Sue writes: << >Joni lyric hint: "Coyote was jumping straight >up and making passes, He had those same eyes >just like yours, Under your dark glasses" ANSWER: Bob Dylan the man who can outrage and thrill in one sentence. :-) >> I thought this song was about Sam Shepard. Now I am confused. It's obviously about someone Joni had a relationship with, and she seems to like her men, well . . . bathed. So I really don't think this is about Dylan, even if it's not about Shepard. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:21:04 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... -- NJC Murphy's mind wonders as it wanders: > What about birthday wishes, death taxes threads and my > posts, Bob? Or worse yet, "Joni in Fiction" (YAWN!) Bob NP: R.L. Burnside, "Everything Is Broken" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:25:06 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... Jim wrote: > She's been humbled but her resolve is unshaken. > Joni said, > > She stands > > cast-iron and frail > > I doubt that Joni knew this but cast-iron is hard but brittle. Why do you think Joni didn't know this? It makes perfect sense to me, given the lyric, that she did indeed know it. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:53:12 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: NJC Tickets To Empty Ballparks (washingtonpost.com) I talk to the reporter for 30 minutes and I get only 2 quotes in the article, one sounding very un-reverend like: "If they have a giant fire, I hope that [Commissioner] Bud Selig would jump into it, and the Yankees, too." What really puzzles is me is why I didn't include the cubs in that statement too. Vince known on message boards everywhere as "cwsox" and with a special "Go! Atlanta!" cheer for this week http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19216-2003Sep29.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:55:49 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers Hi Bob! So the question is how many men have been speculated as Coyote: I've heard Dylan, Robbie Robertson, now Sam Shepherd. I guess you could take the list of all the men who were in the Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your hat and pick one. Not that Joni did them all...just that Joni ain't tellin. :-) Most of my Joni Trivia answers can be contested except for the first and the last one. :-) take care, sue >Sue writes: > ><< >Joni lyric hint: "Coyote was jumping straight >>up and making passes, He had those same eyes >>just like yours, Under your dark glasses" > >ANSWER: Bob Dylan the man who can outrage and thrill in one sentence. :-) >> > >I thought this song was about Sam Shepard. Now I am confused. It's obviously >about someone Joni had a relationship with, and she seems to like her men, >well . . . bathed. So I really don't think this >is about Dylan, even if it's not >about Shepard. > > --Bob - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:07:58 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers > I guess you could take the list of all the men who were in the > Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your hat and pick one. Or ... Joni was writing in the "composite" form, where said Coyote was representative of several men. Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:10:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Hey y'all - newbie here njc > My name is Dylan, I am 13, live in Australia and have the entire Joni back catalogue on vinyl.< welcome dylan...you are only 13?! dang, your writing ability belies your age by decades! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:23:28 +0100 From: "vernon parker" Subject: off topic - message for Bob message for Bob (sorry to use up space everyone else) - - think the problem emailing aol addresses may have prevented my reply to your message of 23-9-03 reaching you. If so please let me know and hopefully we can find a way round it. vernon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:38:02 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! Answers That's true too, because Joni never lies. :-) > > I guess you could take the list of all the men who were in the >> Rolling Thunder Revue and shake them up in your hat and pick one. > >Or ... Joni was writing in the "composite" form, where said Coyote >was representative of several men. > >Lori > >~ >http://lrfye.lunarpages.com >~ - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #494 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)