From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #493 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 493 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rickie Lee Jones gig London UK Listers NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Fw: selling my soul NJC (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Re: Multi-purpose, rambling post...including "Shades of Scarlett..." [SCJ] Re: Fw: selling my soul NJC (for AOL members) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Rickie Lee Jones gig London UK Listers NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hey y'all - newbie here ["Lori Fye" ] Re: THE BEATLES - LET IT BE...NAKED - PRESS RELEASE (NJC) [Ken ] Re: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell ["Lori Fye" ] Carl Dixon cover news for Bob NJC ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Hey y'all - newbie here ["StephenToogood" ] Rufus compared to Joni [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: A good laugh njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... [zenpop@mindspring.com] Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hey y'all - newbie here [KJHSF@aol.com] Today's Library Links: September 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC Government communications at that. It doesn't get any worse. --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > You're too late, Bob... She's a government > employee. > > Lama, ducking for cover > > > > --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > > Have you considered selling your soul instead? > At > > > least that way there's no > > > messy sex with strangers involved. > > > http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/ > > > From: Catherine McKay > [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > << I'd sell my body on the street (not that anyone > > > would pay for it, but > > > that's > > > another story...) >> ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:12:00 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Multi-purpose, rambling post...including "Shades of Scarlett..." Frederick wrote: <> You have *got* to be kidding!! This seems just criminal to me!! (And they wonder why people do things like download music from the internet.) Sheesh!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:34:36 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Hey y'all - newbie here Hi everybody, Just like to introduce myself to you lot - My name is Dylan, I am 13, live in Australia and have the entire Joni back catalogue on vinyl. I adore her music, play guitar and very rarely listen to anything but Joni. I look forward to meeting you all. _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:58:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones gig London UK Listers NJC On 9/29/03 2:17 AM, "Ross, Les" wrote: > Rickie Lee Jones, Bloomsbury Theatre Dec 14. > > Who's seen her recently? Does she still give good gig? > > Anxious minds etc. > > Les (London) > She's hit or miss live, but when she is good, she is VERY good. And given she is just releasing a new album which the critics are going ga-ga over, I would certainly go. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "walterphil" Subject: box i always thought joni's best work was up to and including don juan. she hit a horrible slide thru the next 3 lousy albums and then started the great comeback with nightride thru taming. that said, i still want the box because anything that salvages anything from the nadir of her career is worth it for me. (cant wait to hear the dylan cover) and the dog demo for that matter.... a good unrelesed joni performance is worth any price. $40 is a pittance. i also think its petty to return the box for the loosening of the binding returning it is not gonna reflect well on the set or joni for that matter. perhaps a letter of complaint to the company---- but returning it will have a negative effect on sales and i think on joni and her stand in the marketplace. after all its the music that counts. someone just made a mistake and used the wrong glue dont punish joni for it. and i think returning a cd for a picture is a very petty, and again doesn't do anything for joni just pick up a vinyl copy for a few bucks. the picture is twice as big and much more beautiful. just my 3 cents walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:18:46 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: selling my soul NJC (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Catherine McKay" ; ; Enviado: lunes, 29 de septiembre de 2003 6:37 Asunto: selling my soul NJC > according to the site only 5% have a purer soul than mine. the world must be > full of swine! > wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:25:23 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here Hi, Dylan! Welcome to the list! It's great to hear from you: it's curious that, having *only* 13 (by now), you've got the Joni's albums in vinyl!. Tell us, please, how do you started knowing her music, what do you think about the Geffen years, Travelogue... anything you want. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Dylan Rush" Para: Enviado: lunes, 29 de septiembre de 2003 13:34 Asunto: Hey y'all - newbie here > Hi everybody, > > Just like to introduce myself to you lot - My name is Dylan, I am 13, live > in Australia and have the entire Joni back catalogue on vinyl. I adore her > music, play guitar and very rarely listen to anything but Joni. I look > forward to meeting you all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:32:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Multi-purpose, rambling post...including "Shades of Scarlett..." > How odd, I wonder whose faux-pas that > was, the paper's or Costello's? > I've heard some audio from Elvis where he mentions this song; he stated the lyrics correctly in the audio, so I'm assuming the faux-pas is in the transcription. He's a major fan of this lyric and has mentioned it several times over the years. Probably inspired his line "she's filing her nails while they're dragging the lake". Given that the title song is based on Jose Feliciano, I'm tempted to believe that SOSC is also a portrait of somebody specific, obviously someone tied to the film industry with all the cinematic references. > "Friends tell her not so proud, > Neighbors trying to sleep and yelling 'not so loud'" This could be a Hollywood late-night party, but putting it in context I tend to think it's a lover's quarrel, after all it's followed by: "Lovers in anger Block of Ice Harder and harder just to be nice" The 'block of ice' being that end-of-argument-both-parties-have-arms crossed-with-no-resolution sorta thing. > "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands..." I take this to mean she's wearing a costume or clothing from one of the films she was in...like she's trying to re-capture the glory of that time, perhaps "A woman must have everything" was a famous line from that same film, so she dresses in the costume, walks through the scenes, and repeats the script in an attempt to remind herself of her former fame. It's a great song...cryptic & coded like so much of HOSL. Thanks for bringing it up, Frederick. SOSC hasn't had a lot of discussion here that I can recall. Bob NP: Billy Preston, "Outaspace" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:37:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: selling my soul NJC (for AOL members) > the world must be full of swine! And you're just now realizing this Wally? You must not drive much! Bob, who was run off the road this AM by a f*cking bread truck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:04:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones gig London UK Listers NJC Ross, Les wrote: > Rickie Lee Jones, Bloomsbury Theatre Dec 14. > > Who's seen her recently? Does she still give good gig? > > Anxious minds etc. When I saw her a couple of summers ago she was fantastic. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:40:33 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Fw: selling my soul NJC (for AOL members) Whole wheat or white? Steve, who doesn't eat bread anymore... At 09:37 AM 9/29/2003 -0400, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> the world must be full of swine! > >And you're just now realizing this Wally? You must not drive >much! > >Bob, who was run off the road this AM by a f*cking bread truck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:49:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: selling my soul NJC (for AOL members) > Whole wheat or white? Didn't notice - I was too busy trying not to die. Bob NP: Chocolate Genius, "Julia" (from the WONDERFUL I Am Sam soundtrack) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:32:29 -0400 From: Wiloboy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #304 Hi guys, I've been way behind on reading the list lately. I'm coming out of lurkdom to let you know I just found a used copy of the Geffen Box set for $29.99 at djangosmusic.com . If they are out they will notify you when another one comes in. Wil Comstock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:45:56 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: THE BEATLES - LET IT BE...NAKED - PRESS RELEASE (NJC) Paz thanks ...somebody had just asked me the other day if I had heard of this release. Can't wait to get my hands on this one!! I caught Paul McCartney's concert from Moscow last night. His voice is stiill incredible as far as I'm concerned. ( Baby!! I was just amazed! ) Bree >The Beatles first set out to make the album in 1969, they intended to >record an album that would be a return to live performance of just the bare >necessities of the band, no studio effects or overdubbing of voices or >instruments would be allowed. However, caught in the turmoil of the >break-up >of the band, the album was >re-produced by Phil Spector and never released as The Beatles had >originally >meant it to sound. Until now. >Let It Be...Naked's track listing differs from the 1970 release; background >dialogue, 'Dig It' and 'Maggie Mae' have been taken off the album and >'Don't >Let Me Down' has been added to the running order, which now is as follows: >Get Back, Dig A Pony, For You Blue, The Long And Winding Road, Two Of Us, >I've Got A Feeling, One After 909, Don't Let Me Down, I Me Mine, Across The >Universe, Let It Be. > >Let It Be...Naked will be issued together with a bonus fly-on-thee >count-in happened we turned back into those brothers and musicians." RINGO >STARR > >"It's just us playing, in our best voices, it's very honest". GEORGE >HARRISON > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:06:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni raps! Looks like Joni's been sampled again: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006JOFJ/qid%3D1064862133/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-1746692-6165750 Anyone know anything about this one? Track 8 is called "The Girl In The Picture" and is credited to Jon Notty F & Joni Mitchell... Bob NP: Wilco, "Any Major Dude Will Tell You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:23:50 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: DJRD Hi, Bill! Your answer seems like out of the blue to me! Sure it seems funny to underline these words, as they're obviously the same as two title songs from Sweet Baby James & Mud Slide Slim (and the blue horizon) but I'm not sure about your assertion. It seems too precise to be a coincidence, yes. What do you (folks) think about it? Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: People Have the Power, Patti Smith unplugged in Montagnola 31 July 2003 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Bill Branyon" Para: Enviado: lunes, 29 de septiembre de 2003 20:08 > DJRD I believe is about James Taylor. I.e. - "And a > 'country road' came off the wall, and swooped down on > the crowd at the bar." and "Restless sweeps like 'fire > and rain' over virgin wilderness. Prowls like hookers > and theives through bolt-locked tenements. > N'ce pas? (n'est-ce pas?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:59:44 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here Welcome, Dylan! Nice to have you here! Tell us about how you discovered Joni's music, your favorite Joni song and/or album, and all that jazz (and rock and folk and et cetera). Lori near Washington DC ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:10:54 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: THE BEATLES - LET IT BE...NAKED - PRESS RELEASE (NJC) Glad you were able to hear the McCartney show, must have been awesome. I've always been a Beatle fan but were never able to see any of them in the flesh. As for the new CD but I'm a little leery of this one. There are really only 3 songs on the album that were damaged by Spector. Long and Winding Road, Let It Be and Across The Universe. The rest and as far as I'm concerned the more interesting stuff was recorded live on the roof top and not changed much from the original which you can verify if you've heard the "roof top concert" CD, which is a bootleg taken from the actual film sound track and not the musical recording. You can actually hear the camera guys talking here and there and the director calling cuts. The point being that there is almost no difference to what was finally put out as "Let It Be". But Christmas is coming and Dad is sure to ask for the new Beatles album. Ken Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Paz thanks ...somebody had just asked me the other day if I had heard > of this release. Can't wait to get my hands on this one!! > > I caught Paul McCartney's concert from Moscow last night. His voice > is stiill incredible as far as I'm concerned. ( Baby!! I was just > amazed! ) > > Bree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:13:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here njc --- Dylan Rush wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Just like to introduce myself to you lot - My name > is Dylan, I am 13, live > in Australia and have the entire Joni back catalogue > on vinyl. I adore her > music, play guitar and very rarely listen to > anything but Joni. I look > forward to meeting you all. > Whoo-hoo! a newbie, an Ozzie and a kid at that! Welcome to the jmdl, Dylan. I have a 13-yr-old too but unfortunately he doesn't like Joni. Yet. I'm working on it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:18:27 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell Joni wrote: > So, here, sprung from the dungeons of Geffen Records after doing > twelve years for failing to be wildly popular, are these four > parolees. Well, crap. I was seriously going to blow off buying the new boxed set because I really can't seeing spending money on albums I already have on CD, vinyl, and cassette -- even though I am a DED-head! Now I have to rethink the whole thing, because I believe in supporting Joni. How many previously unreleased songs are included? Three? Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:28:37 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here Donna from Texas writes: Welcome Dylan! Can't wait to hear more about how you found Joni! We have another lister, Rachel, turned l4 during the Jonifest this year which she attended with her parents and which is held in the northeastern part of New York state. Welcome aboard! Donna Binkley >>> "Lori Fye" 09/29/03 4:59 PM >>> Welcome, Dylan! Nice to have you here! Tell us about how you discovered Joni's music, your favorite Joni song and/or album, and all that jazz (and rock and folk and et cetera). Lori near Washington DC ~ This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:30:02 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Carl Dixon cover news for Bob NJC Don't know if you know about this already Bob, thought I'd better pass it on. Can't seem to mail anyone with @aol address for some reason so apologies to the rest of the list. Must be all that spamming I do :-) Best, Bill NP: best CD of the year > www.the-low-country.com Carl Dixon Discography If anyone's a fan of Canadian musician CARL DIXON [ex Coney Hatch, Guess Who, now of April Wine], he has a new solo acoustic CD coming out in the next few weeks - a mix of some of his own stuff with a number of rock classics.Track listing is below.For more info and ordering check out > www.carldixon.com One Voice, Two Hands - 2003 Wild Night * Lonely Ol' Night * No Sugar Tonight * *Undun * We Just Disagree * Big Yellow Taxi * Here Comes The Sun * Strange Way To Live * Sunshine * Love The One You're With * Love Is Waiting * Over The Hills & Far Away * Papa Was A Rolling Stone * Pinball Wizard *Rocket Man * Can't Find My Way Home * Look For Me In Dreamland * - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:28:57 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here Hi Dylan welcome to the list! I thought I was representing the young Joni fans but you make me feel old! Wow only 13 and already listening to Joni that's great. ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Rush" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Hey y'all - newbie here > Hi everybody, > > Just like to introduce myself to you lot - My name is Dylan, I am 13, live > in Australia and have the entire Joni back catalogue on vinyl. I adore her > music, play guitar and very rarely listen to anything but Joni. I look > forward to meeting you all. > > _________________________________________________________________ > E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here > http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:31:55 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Rufus compared to Joni [NJC] The current/about-to-hit-the-stands issue of The Advocate raves about Rufus Wainwright's new CD, Want One, (see review below), and compares him to Joni (in a very sweet way), as well as having received well over 30 excellent to rave reviews of the album in other press, see this link for other reviews and press. http://bb.dreamworksrecords.com/rufuswainwright/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=58185&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1&vc=1 The Advocate October 14, 2003 Arts & Entertainment Music Review Third time charmed Want One, the third release from Rufus Wainwright, confirms the gay troubadour's spot in the musical pantheon By Michael Glitz Now it's time to get really excited about Rufus Wainwright. A distinctive debut bristling with promise is always nice. A solid follow-up is better. But now the sone of acclaimed musicians Loudon Wainwright III and Kate McGarrigle has bettered himself. With Want One (the first of two releases; Want Two is due out early next year), Wainwright has delivered a third album that fulfills the mighty expectations he's raised. Can we talk about a song being "Rufusian" yet? Certainly the lead track, "Oh What a World," qualifies. It begins with Gregorian chat-like background vocals; adds an ominous vaguely classical chugging brass melody; slips in a playful string arpeggio; delivers deadpan lyrics like "Why am I always on a plane or a fast train / Oh what a world my parents gave me"; and then - amid a quote from Ravel's Bolero - climaxes with the newfound optimism coursing through the album by saying, "Wouldn't it be a lovely headline? / 'Live is beautiful.'" That brash opener is just the beginning for a collection of 14 terrific songs that never flags for a moment. Typical dull pop songs dimply return again and again to the chorus until it's ingrained in your head. The songs on Want One surge forward at a gallop, swerving this way and that but always building to glorious climaxes; in one tune he urges, "Stop me making movies of myself." But these certainly aren't home movies he's talking about. They're Technicolor musicals delivered with panache. "Go or Go Ahead" is an epic with an anthemic, cast-of-thousands chorus complete with an ecstatic guitar solo that would make Freddie Mercury proud. "14th Street" (which ends with a banjo fade-out courtesy of his mom) and the thumping "Beautiful Child" aren't far behind. (Other guests include guitarist Charlie Sexton, Rufus's talented sister Martha, and pal Teddy Thompson.) What's different? Well, it's no coincidence his second album was called Poses. Wainwright seemed desperate to be world-weary, and half the fun of his first two records was seeing his pleasure at wallowing in misery. Now, while his music is no less grand, Wainwright is no longer onstage all the time, as he lets us behind the curtain instead. Whether it's the lovely "Natasha," the vulnerable "Vibrate" ("My phone's on vibrate for you"), or the wrenching closer, "Dinner at Eight" (about his anger toward his father), it's more convincingly personal and sincere than ever. The Wainwright of a few years ago (before recently fessing up to problems with crystal meth and sex) would have known what to make of a song called "Want." But what does he sing here- and sing so sweetly it breaks your heart? "I just wanna be my dad / With a slight sprinkling of my mother /And work at the family store." Will this album break him into the big time? It's the wrong question. No one sits around wondering when Randy Newman or Joni Mitchell or Scott Walker or Leonard Cohen is going to get another hit single. They're all uniquely talented artists who exist proudly outside the Top 40 universe yet pervasively influence it. And with want One, Wainwright proves he belongs right beside them. Wainwright has always had the confidence; now he has the goods. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:39:08 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC Smurph wrote: > You're asking someone who has spent most of his > adult life working in > advertising? Hey, I thought Augusten Burroughs wrote the book I just finished reading: "Dry". But it was really YOU who wrote it, wasn't it, Bob??? Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:51:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Carl Dixon cover news for Bob NJC groceries for it because I can always send the cats > out hunting for birds and squirrels for dinner. And > God help them if they come back empty-handed (or > empty-pawed, as the case may be) because I hear cat > tastes just like chicken. Catherine, you wrote this? I laughed out loud when I read it as part of Kakki''s reply. Great stuff!! I needed a good laugh today... thanks! Kenny B N.P.: "Abandon City", Utopia, Redux '92, Live in Japan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:01:50 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: was: box set bummer, now: Augusten Burroughs -- NJC About selling one's soul, I wrote: > You're asking someone who has spent most of his adult life working in advertising? Then Lori chimed in with: Hey, I thought Augusten Burroughs wrote the book I just finished reading: "Dry". But it was really YOU who wrote it, wasn't it, Bob??? >> No, but I would love to read his (two?) books. He sounds very interesting and full of that dark humor that keeps me going. What's more, Alison from Salt Lake City -- who used to be on this list and was briefly married to Stephen Epstein -- says Burroughs is good, and she never lies. Also, I bumped into Burroughs leaving his own book signing in Cambridge right after Alison from SLC said to read him, so I take that as a sign! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:57:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A good laugh njc --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > I might even sacrifice a few bags of > > groceries for it because I can always send the > cats > > out hunting for birds and squirrels for dinner. > And > > God help them if they come back empty-handed (or > > empty-pawed, as the case may be) because I hear > cat > > tastes just like chicken. > > Catherine, you wrote this? I laughed out loud > when I read it as part of > Kakki''s reply. Great stuff!! I needed a good > laugh today... thanks! Glad I could make you smile, Kenny - all in a day's work! :-) P.S. Apparently *everything* tastes "like chicken." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:08:12 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A good laugh njc Catherine writes: << P.S. Apparently *everything* tastes "like chicken." >> Except crow. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:16:39 -0700 From: zenpop@mindspring.com Subject: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... Bob replied re: SOSC and HOSL... > Given that the title song is based on Jose Feliciano, I'm tempted to > believe that SOSC is also a portrait of somebody specific, obviously > someone tied to the film industry with all the cinematic references. That's interesting and makes me chuckle, because, during the 70s, when I lived in LA, I was friends with Patsy Webb, the songwriter Jimmy Webb's wife (at the time). Consensus in that household was that the song was written about her/them (!). Though, Feliciano makes more sense, I suppose -- "latin drum" and all. What was certain, and gossiped about from time to time was the infamous playback party, which the Webbs were present for -- where Dylan caught some zzzzs through the master tape of CAS. Now THAT'S a scene from a movie. Last I spoke with Patsy she was writing a book -- no doubt that event will be recounted (again). Anyway, thanks for your thoughts on the song Bob -- you've given me a new way to consider it; this I found particularly interesting: >> "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands..." > > I take this to mean she's wearing a costume or clothing from one of the > films she was in...like she's trying to re-capture the glory of that > time, perhaps "A woman must have everything" was a famous line from > that > same film, so she dresses in the costume, walks through the scenes, and > repeats the script in an attempt to remind herself of her former fame. That's probably THE most cryptic line in the whole song ("..stolen clothes...", to me. Though my sense still rings strong that there's a larger, more impersonal commentary going down about the whole Southern female "phenomena" and mindset -- which, despite cliches, Mitchell circled so tightly in the song. > > NP: Billy Preston, "Outaspace" I love this, now playing thing -- and must, here on out copy ;-) NP: On The Alamo -- (from Benny Goodman Sextet featuring Charlie Christian.) Cheers, Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Shades of Scarlett..." continued... --- zenpop@mindspring.com wrote: > >> "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands..." > > > > I take this to mean she's wearing a costume or > clothing from one of the > > films she was in...like she's trying to re-capture > the glory of that > > time, perhaps "A woman must have everything" was a > famous line from > > that > > same film, so she dresses in the costume, walks > through the scenes, and > > repeats the script in an attempt to remind herself > of her former fame. > > That's probably THE most cryptic line in the whole > song ("..stolen > clothes...", to me. > > Though my sense still rings strong that there's a > larger, more > impersonal commentary going down about the whole > Southern female > "phenomena" and mindset -- which, despite cliches, > Mitchell circled so > tightly in the song. I think of Scarlet as more like a Blanche Dubois type, so I'm with you on the southern archetype/cliche thing. She has this image of herself as being a really grand lady, but maybe to the neighbours she's just a batty old (or middle-aged) woman who dresses garishly and makes too much noise. Strangely enough, the character even reminds me a bit of my ex-mother-in-law (now deceased) who was not from the south (well, maybe - from the south of Italy) but who had these visions of the way women were supposed to be and look and so on. This lady could deceive herself about a lot of things and I'm sure was influenced by romantic movies and books about how life was "supposed" to be. Even though her husband ran around and cheated on her, she somehow believed theirs was a great love story and would do things to make her husband jealous - like, she'd order flowers to be sent to herself so he'd think they were coming from some other man. And she was always dressed very well (probably didn't own a tracksuit, LOL) and would never go out without putting on full makeup and making sure her hair was perfect. Also wouldn't be caught dead in flat shoes - always had to be high heels, even if it killed her. On the whole, much more concerned about the way things appeared to other people, than the way they truly were. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:05:27 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here >Hi, Dylan! >Welcome to the list! > >It's great to hear from you: it's curious that, having *only* 13 (by now), >you've got the Joni's albums in vinyl!. Tell us, please, how do you started >knowing her music, what do you think about the Geffen years, Travelogue... >anything you want. > >Have a Wonderful time! >Emiliano Okay, here goes... My first memory of Joni was studying Big Yellow Taxi in primary school, when I was in year 4. I loved the song but got the vague impression at the time that here was an atypical song from a beautiful and very different musician with a vast back catalogue. I went to a CD store and checked out the Mitchell, Joni section - now I think about it, it must have looked strange, a 7-year-old going through Joni albums - and saw "Misses". I thought "what sort of funny lady would have a Greatest Misses album?". I never got round to listening to any of her stuff until hearing the Maire Brennan (Enya's sister) new age cover of Big Yellow Taxi last year. I went to my local library and checked out the only album of Joni's they had on shelf at the time - a battered cassette of "Mingus". Boy did that change everything! The cassette had no explanatory liners, so I had no idea what I was listening to or what it was about - I got hooked on "God Must Be A Boogie Man", to date my favourite Joni song, because of the strange feel of it all - the emptiness, the choir, the guitar, Jaco's bass. I started collecting vinyl around that time - it's cheaper, more fun and sounds better than CD's - and got Hejira on LP. WOW! Again I got hooked on it - I must've played "Coyote" a million times. Next came Shadows and Light, then The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - each album I adored, and I kept going until I had the whole set. The only albums I need now to complete the Joni catalogue are Taming the Tiger, Hits, Misses and Turbulent Indigo. (I have Shadows and Light on VHS, too... what did we all think of that video? It was good, but it certaintly wasn't what I expected.) I love the Geffen recordings, and don't know why they're bagged out so much. Wild Things Run Fast is good fun and her usual standard of beautiful songwriting. Dog Eat Dog is a brilliant album, and shows her willingness to experiment with the technology of the era. Her songwriting has always been five-star, no matter what technology she uses. Ditto Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm. I think it's just too different from the public perception of Joni Mitchell - folky blonde chick who sung "Big Yellow Taxi" and giggled at the end - for the old school fans to dig. In fairness, though, the only bad songs she ever made were recorded during the Geffen period - the corny "Dancin' Clown" and the preachy, excruciating "Lakota" and "Ethiopia". I think a particularly underrated, overlooked Joni song is "The Reoccuring Dream" from CMIARS - It's confronting and somewhat disturbing how the music builds and builds, the bass and keyboard relentlessly pounding through the same cycle, while the little ad clips bounce around and Joni declares "Dreamer! Dream on!". Night Ride Home is beautiful, nothing like the rest of the Geffen stuff, kinda minimalist. Does anyone know what Cherokee Louise and The Windfall are about? The orchestral albums are beautiful. The "Both Sides Now" album is the saddest thing I've ever heard, especially the renditions of "A Case of You" and "At Last". "Travelogue" is really well done, the arrangements are masterful and it's good to hear Joni's classics in her new smoky voice, which I actually like better than her folky soprano. Also, I'm getting into Prince these days - any Prince fans in the house? I'm going to his Sydney concert in three weeks time... Has anyone heard his cover of "A Case of U"? _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:40:47 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey y'all - newbie here In a message dated 9/29/2003 11:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, crazydiamond67@hotmail.com writes: Also, I'm getting into Prince these days - any Prince fans in the house? I'm going to his Sydney concert in three weeks time... Has anyone heard his cover of "A Case of U"? Well, Dylan, entering the Joni journey through Mingus is definitely the road less traveled! Congratulations for having such a great openness to appreciate something so difficult! As for Prince, I started listening to him after hearing he was a huge Joni fan. I was curious to see if his appreciation for her was reflected in his music. And of course there are specific references to her directly; "Working part time in a five and dime, my boss was Mr. McGee" is a tribute, I believe, to McGee's general store from Paprika Plains. But where I really hear Joni's influence in the sound of his music is in the piano intro and in the chordal singing in the chorus of Condition of the Heart, from Around the World In a Day. I loved Prince's psychedelic era, from that album, Under the Cherry Moon, Sign of the Times, Lovesexy, and Diamonds and Pearls. Haven't really liked much before or after. He has put out a lot of amazing stuff, and he's put out a lot of really mediocre stuff, in my opinion. But when he's great, he's almost untouchable. Welcome to the list! Ken H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:02:54 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 30 On September 30 the following articles were published: 1998: "Dylan, Joni to perform together" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=376 1998: "Riled Woman" - Washington Post (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=420 1998: "Sharps and Flats" - Salon.com (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=573 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - George Graham Website (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=110 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #493 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)