From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #492 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 29 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 492 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #490 - Baez correction NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] NJC - In My Heaven (Mary Chapin Carpenter) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts ["kakki" ] NJC for what its worth: letter from Stills [vince ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts [Catherine McKay ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC ["kakki" ] RE: "Joni Mitchell" The lost years. [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] selling my soul NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: "Joni Mitchell" The lost years. ["kakki" ] Today in History: September 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: September 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Rickie Lee Jones gig London UK Listers NJC ["Ross, Les" Subject: NJC - In My Heaven (Mary Chapin Carpenter) Now the bad news: In Cincinnati, they'll all share one time slot! Fate, how cruel thou art. More bad news: Absolutely no cameras or recording equipment. (Riiiiight. Who me?) Even more bad news: amazingly, these artists overlap: Los Lobos overlaps with Nickel Creek Keb' Mo' overlaps with (Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Shawn Colvin, Patty Griffin, & Dar Williams) Mavis Staples overlaps with B.B. King What I mean is they play simultaneously on different stages. Look here lest you disbelieve: - ------------------- These are the slots I'm interested in: WED P&G Pavilion 7:50 - 9:05 Lucinda Williams Yeatman's Cove Stage 9:15-10:30 CJ Chennier & the Red Hot Louisiana Band ************************** FRIDAY 10/17 P&G Pavilion 4:45 - 6:00 Buddy Miller 6:25 - 7:40 Delbert McClinton 8:05 - 9:20 Emmylou Harris 9:45 - 11:00 Nickel Creek or Yeatmans's Cove 9:45 - 11:00 Los Lobos ************************** SATURDAY P&G Pavilion 8:05 - 9:20 Bo Diddley 9:45 - 11:00 Keb' Mo' or Yeatman's Cove 9:30 - 11:00 4 artists sharing one slot Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Shawn Colvin, Patty Griffin, & Dar Williams ************************** SUNDAY Yeatman's Cove 6:55 - 7:55 Mavis Staples! or P&G Pavilion 6:30 - 8:00 B.B. King Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:12:23 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: boxed set bummer...a welcome ...masterpiece Funny you should mention that. See my ebay auction: http:\\ebay.com\item#8347333 Don't think, just bid. Lama > what does this mean? if Joni has anything to do with it i want it. i'd buy a gum wrapper with two words on it if she wrote them.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:58:09 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell Mingus wrote: > If Joni was able to obtain the Masters that would mean she had complete control >over their Re-release, and since she has maintained all packaging rights I would >figure most of the responsibility lies on her shoulders. I don't have the box set yet but may buy it eventually (I already have all the Geffen years albums on vinyl, cassette and CD except for Dog which is CD only) so I haven't read all the liner notes. Does Joni say in there that Universal gave her back the Masters? As I was reading the liner note excerpts from Lama the other night, I was speculating whether she made a deal with them to get the Masters back and why they might agree to that. On one side you had Geffen records saying for years the albums did not sell and Joni had a big outstanding recoupment balance with them. On the other side you had Joni saying over and over that Geffen did not sufficiently promote those albums. Both sides have a point, especially if it came to a legal dispute. Maybe there was some deal made in all this. I still think the box set was probably a good idea from a marketing standpoint. It may not appeal to her longtime fans (other than those who are obsessive with completeness and upgrade in sound quality) but I can see it as a good deal for new fans who have not yet purchased the Geffen year CDs - they can get them all in one shot, with a few extras thrown in, for the same price or less. I can't imagine Joni had anything to do with choosing the paper booklet construction vendor, however. That would still be overseen by the record company. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:17:10 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts Catherine wrote about saving for the real boxset: > I might even sacrifice a few bags of > groceries for it because I can always send the cats > out hunting for birds and squirrels for dinner. And > God help them if they come back empty-handed (or > empty-pawed, as the case may be) because I hear cat > tastes just like chicken. This reminds me of my obsessive music years from college through my 20s where I would go without basic necessities of life in order to buy Joni and a few other artist's albums! LOL The good side is is taught me how to live on eating pasta and potatoes made 20 different ways (with whatever was left in the cupboard thrown in) and I still revert to that method when short of cash to this day ;-) Don't worry C - I'd bet you have more than a few friends around here who would be happy to gift you with it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:45:35 -0400 From: vince Subject: NJC for what its worth: letter from Stills Dear Vincent, Something is happening here. We're nearing the end of the Kerry campaign's drive to demonstrate broad support from all across America in time for a critical September 30th reporting deadline. Stills in concert this year John's success in the closing days of this critical drive depends upon the active participation of his friends and supporters like you and me. Nothing I can write would make the case for your immediate donation as elegantly as these words from John's announcement speech. 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Contributions or gifts to John Kerry for President, Inc. are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts --- kakki wrote: > > This reminds me of my obsessive music years from > college through my 20s > where I would go without basic necessities of life > in order to buy Joni and > a few other artist's albums! LOL The good side is > is taught me how to live > on eating pasta and potatoes made 20 different ways > (with whatever was left > in the cupboard thrown in) and I still revert to > that method when short of > cash to this day ;-) Those few days before payday are still like that. I can't believe it's come to this after all these years. It used to be fun. I remember living on peanut butter and crackers for about a week in university waiting for my student grant and a cheque from my parents to come in. Don't worry C - I'd bet you > have more than a few > friends around here who would be happy to gift you > with it! The really sad part is... I don't even want it! Now, if the other thing came out - the stuff Joni had never released, that I would buy. I'd sell my body on the street (not that anyone would pay for it, but that's another story...) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:02:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC Catherine brazenly writes: << I'd sell my body on the street (not that anyone would pay for it, but that's another story...) >> Have you considered selling your soul instead? At least that way there's no messy sex with strangers involved. http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/ --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine brazenly writes: > > << I'd sell my body on the street (not that anyone > would pay for it, but > that's > another story...) >> > > Have you considered selling your soul instead? At > least that way there's no > messy sex with strangers involved. > > http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/ > LOL! Bob, you are SO weird. When I was a kid I was really freaked out by all that selling-your-soul stuff. I used to lie awake at night worrying about that. Nowadays I wonder - who would want someone else's soul? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:10:57 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC Catherine ponders: << who would want someone else's soul? >> You're asking someone who has spent most of his adult life working in advertising? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine brazenly writes: > > << I'd sell my body on the street (not that anyone > would pay for it, but > that's > another story...) >> > > Have you considered selling your soul instead? At > least that way there's no > messy sex with strangers involved. > > http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/ > > --Bob OMG and ROTFLMAO - this is a REAL website and I thought it was one of those made-up ones (but I clicked on the URL anyway). It's your site, isn't it, Murphy? You really are the Evil One, aren't you? Beelzebub (sp?) Lord of the Flies? etc? They even give you a quote on how much your soul is worth, based on various factors. Everyone who's paying attention, you've got to check out the questions they ask for how to give you a quote. It includes such things as: - - have you ever worked for a major record company? - - do you download music & media from the internet? - - do you still buy music on vinyl? LOL!!! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine ponders: > > << who would want someone else's soul? >> > > You're asking someone who has spent most of his > adult life working in > advertising? > > --Bob That was the Jackie Mason voice, wasn't it? or am I psychotic? (don't answer that. Never mind. I know you will.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:40:54 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC You're too late, Bob... She's a government employee. Lama, ducking for cover > --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Have you considered selling your soul instead? At > > least that way there's no > > messy sex with strangers involved. > > http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/ > From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] << I'd sell my body on the street (not that anyone > > would pay for it, but > > that's > > another story...) >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:46:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts Catherine wrote: > Those few days before payday are still like that. I > can't believe it's come to this after all these years. > It used to be fun. Not too many years ago after I suddenly learned a week before the deadline that I owed the state of California an extra $ 1,000 in taxes that my former employer's accounting dept. neglected to withhold from my paycheck, I got my food money from taking cans to the recycle center for a couple months! > The really sad part is... I don't even want it! No - I meant the future one!! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:50:32 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts -- NJC Murphy wrote: > You're asking someone who has spent most of his adult life working in > advertising? LOL, Bob! I worked in advertising and public relations for 10 years as my first career. An old boyfriend was always trying to tell me to get into something better. I would always debate and defend my job to him until one day he finally won the argument by, without a word, showing me a cartoon of a horse's rear end with a huge amount of manure spewing forth. The caption said "The birth of advertising." ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:25:43 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Total Recall NJC SCBob wrote: > And it looks like your recall election is back on track. Despite the lack of > talk about it here, I do appreciate hearing takes from actual CA residents. > All I get is the hype. I've heard and read about a number of CA residents being worried and embarrassed that the ongoing saga makes us all look like the kooks and flakes that all the rest thought we were all along ;-) I have to say I've found a lot of it very funny and entertaining, but keep in mind sometimes people laugh the hardest when a situation is the most dire and serious. I can't remember Californians being so energized politically across the state. I think that is a good thing, no matter what. The 9/28/03 poll results from CNN-USA Today Yes on recall 63% No on recall 35% Leading candidates out of 135 Schwartzenegger (R): 40% Bustamonte (D): 25% McClintock (R): 18% Camejo (Green): 5% Huffington (I): 2% http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/recall.poll/index.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:26:55 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: "Joni Mitchell" The lost years. Maybe there was some deal made in all this. I still think the box set was probably a good idea from a marketing standpoint. It may not appeal to her longtime fans (other than those who are obsessive with completeness and upgrade in sound quality) but I can see it as a good deal for new fans who have not yet purchased the Geffen year CDs - they can get them all in one shot, with a few extras thrown in, for the same price or less. I can't imagine Joni had anything to do with choosing the paper booklet construction vendor, however. That would still be overseen by the record company. Kakki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- Kakki, Joni seems to elude that with three years of negotiations she was able to get them back. Probably through David Geffen strong arming them. When Your worth 4 Billion dollars people will listen. Now weather it cost him or her she got them back. I'm not sure if he gets a cut or not. I do think it's great to get the set back out on the streets if it takes a re-release to make people take notice. The times are such that they all fit in great with what is taking place in today's culture. But all of the Geffen years are out there and they are available for $9.99-11.99 in Barnes and Noble, Specs, and Best Buy, and what you get with those is all of Joni's art work to which she had design and packing rights and choices. The Box Set is misleading because it lauds Rare Photos and Art Work, which have already been published, only one New Painting. The Quality of the paper is beautiful and reminds me of the unbleached recycle type paper that is reminiscent of the Vincent van Gogh book I have that slides into a box. The binding is poorly done for that heavy of paper stock though, but someone from Austin mentioned that they got one that was stitched not glued so maybe they are already on to it. As for picking material used I remember in an interview when BSN candy box packaging was done how she had to find just the right fabric, and the right paper stock that the lithographs were on. That leads me to believe she chose everything but made a poor choice with binding. She is better than any lover I've ever had because she has never let me down:~) , I'll just take it back when the re-do's are available here. I'm sure it will go to several nieces and nephews for Christmas this year. Last year when I gave them all "Travelogue" I told them when I die if they wanted to know anything about me just listen to Joni, they seem to appreciate the "Outback Steak House" certificates more. They all know I have AIDS and I always kid around that this could be my last year,( for 12 years now), it puts humor into the mood level which makes them more comfortable. Wish I was in CA so we could toast and talk all night long. My friend saw Joni at "Crustaceans" in LA. Do you know of it? Have a Good week! Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:37:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: selling my soul NJC according to the site only 5% have a purer soul than mine. the world must be full of swine! wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:46:20 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell" The lost years. Mingus wrote: > I'm sure it will go to several nieces and nephews for Christmas this year. Last year >when I gave them all "Travelogue" I told them when I die if they wanted to know >anything about me just listen to Joni, they seem to appreciate the "Outback Steak > House" certificates more. They all know I have AIDS and I always kid around that > this could be my last year,( for 12 years now), it puts humor into the mood > level which makes them more comfortable. That's very sweet, David. While I would also appreciate the Outback Steak certitficates ;-), I have a feeling they are going to always treasure all the Joni you've given them over the years. >Wish I was in CA so we could toast and talk all night long. Yes - you should come out for a visit soon! >My friend saw Joni at "Crustaceans" in LA. Do you know of it? Cool - I've heard of it but haven't been there. Was just perusing the latest L.A. Magazine which is all about the opening of the Disney Concert Hall in a couple of weeks. Lots of stuff in there about the Disney's architect Frank Gehry (remember Joni rented a painting studio space from him in Venice in the '80s). I have such a wish that Joni will take a temporary leave from retirement and do a concert there. It is supposed to have the best acoustics in the world. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:10:18 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 29 1998: "Taming the Tiger" was released in the US. 2001: Two JMDL members encounter Joni at a Los Angeles-area restaraunt where she chats with them and shows off her new Jack Russell terrier named Coco. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/010929.cfm - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:10:18 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 29 On September 29 the following articles were published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell Still Untamed" - USA Today (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=396 1998: "Joni-on-the-Spot" - New York Daily News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=223 1998: "The cat's 'Meow-meow-meow!'" - USA Today (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=397 2001: "Joni From Both Sides Now" - Sydney Morning Herald (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=679 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:17:04 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Rickie Lee Jones gig London UK Listers NJC Rickie Lee Jones, Bloomsbury Theatre Dec 14. Who's seen her recently? Does she still give good gig? Anxious minds etc. Les (London) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #492 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)