From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #489 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 489 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 RIP Whitey NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni's Geffen essay [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ ["Wally Kairuz" ] Dr. Seuss Sees AMERICA NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts now NJC ["mike pritchard" ] joni mitchell is a man ["Paul Mepschen" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ ["Susan E McNamara" ] Re: joni mitchell is a man [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC [Catherine McKay ] [Fwd: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!!] ["Susan E McNamara" ] Re: NJC: Bowie boxset [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: CMIAR, all mixed up [Bobsart48@aol.com] Joni & JT BBC In Concert Video [PAUL LOGAN ] Re: CMIAR, all mixed up [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell [patti haskins ] daryl hall njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joan Baez box set njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joan Baez box set njc ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Joan Baez box set njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC -- brushes with greatness: babysitters [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell ["Bree Mcd] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell ["Bree Mcd] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:06:30 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC Came across this when cruising the web tonight - Dar Wiliams, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin, Patty Griffin and Lucinda Williams will perform at the Tall Stacks festival in Cincinnati October 15-19. Many others as well. Worth a trip to the Queen City. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:09:54 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ An interviewer asked this Rock God who he thought were some of the best women songwriters in Rock and Roll? He answered that he didn't know of any. When the interviewer asked incredulously, "What about Joni Mitchell?" he answered, "Joni Mitchell is a man." Who made this notorious quote? That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like "Joni's more like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, or something like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:18:54 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 RIP Whitey NJC In and out of jail and rehab, he moved to Portland in the early 1990s hoping to get off drugs. For Pete's sake, Portland is no place to get off drugs. Bryan Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:23:06 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni's Geffen essay You heard the word "victim" bandied about, but never the word "victimizer". I don't know if that statement is original to Joni, but it hit me between the eyes. Maybe worth the $50. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:24:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ the quote is: "joni is an honorary man.". bob dylan. wally > > That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like > "Joni's more > like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, > or something > like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:05:04 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; Enviado: sabado, 27 de septiembre de 2003 9:24 Asunto: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ > the quote is: "joni is an honorary man.". bob dylan. > wally > > > > That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like > > "Joni's more > > like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, > > or something > > like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:27:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: test your Joni IQ <Perhaps a better lyric hint might be: "There's a man who's been out sailing, in a decade full of dreams, and he takes her to a schooner...."< i like that or how about "you were playin on the guitar strings, you were playin like a devil wearing wings, wearing wings you looked so grand wearing wings, did you tape them to your shoulder just to sing" ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:33:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Dr. Seuss Sees AMERICA NJC Dr. Seuss Sees AMERICA The Whos down in Whoville liked people a lot, But the Grinch in the White House most certainly did not. He didn't arrive there by the will of the Whos, But stole the election that he really did lose. Vowed to "rule from the middle," then installed his regime. (Did this really happen, or is it just a bad dream?) He didn't listen to voters, just his friends he was pleasin' Now, please don't ask why, who knows what's the reason. It could be his heart wasn't working just right. It could be, perhaps, that he wasn't too bright. But I think that the most likely reason of all, Is that both brain and heart were two sizes too small. In times of great turmoil, this was bad news, To have a government that ignores its Whos. But the Whos shrugged their shoulders, went on with their work, Their duties as citizens so casually did shirk. They shopped at the mall and watched their T.V. They drove a gas-guzzling big S.U.V., Oblivious to what was going on in D.C., Ignoring the threats to democracy. They read the same papers that ran the same leads, Reporting what only served corporate needs. (For the policies affecting the lives of all nations Were made by the giant U.S. Corporations.) Big business grew fatter, fed by its own greed, And by people who shopped for the things they didn't need. But amidst all the apathy came signs of unrest, The Whos came to see we were fouling our nest. And the people who cared for the ideals of this nation Began to discuss and exchange information: The things they couldn't read, in the corporate-owned news, Of FTAA meetings and CIA coups, Of drilling for oil and restricting rights. They published some books, created Websites, Began to write letters, and use their e-mail (Though Homeland Security might send them to jail!) What began as a whisper soon grew to a roar, These things going on they could no longer ignore. They started to rise up and reach out to all Let their voices be heard, they rose to the call, To vote, to petition, to gather, dissent, To question the policies of the "President." As greed gained in power and power knew no shame The Whos came together, sang "Not in our name!" One by one from their sleep and their slumber they woke The old and the young, all kinds of folk, The black, brown and white, the gay, bi- and straight, All united to sing, "Feed our hope, not our hate! Stop stockpiling weapons and aiming for war! Stop feeding the rich, start feeding the poor! Stop storming the deserts to fuel Suva's! Stop telling us lies on the mainstream T.V.'s! Stop treating our children as a market to sack! Stop feeding them Barney, Barbie and Big Mac! Stop trying to addict them to lifelong consuming, In a time when severe global warming is looming! Stop sanctions that are killing the kids in Iraq! Start dealing with ours that are strung out on crack!" A mighty sound started to rise and to grow, "The old way of thinking simply must go! Enough of God versus Allah, Muslim vs. Jew With what lies ahead, it simply won't do. No American dream that cares only for wealth Ignoring the need for community health The rivers and forests are demanding their pay, If we're to survive, we must walk a new way. No more excessive and mindless consumption Let's sharpen our minds and garner our gumption. For the ideas are simple, but the practice is hard, And not to be won by a poem on a card. It needs the ideas and the acts of each Who, So let's get together and plan what to do!" And so they all gathered from all 'round the Earth And from it all came a miraculous birth. The hearts and the minds of the Whos they did grow, Three sizes to fit what they felt and they know. While the Grinches they shrank from their hate and their greed, Bearing the weight of their every foul deed. From that day onward the standard of wealth, Was whatever fed the Whos spiritual health. They gathered together to revel and feast, And thanked all who worked to conquer their beast. For although our story pits Grinches 'gainst Whos, The true battle lies in what we daily choose. For inside each Grinch is a tiny small Who, And inside each Who is a tiny Grinch too. One thrives on love and one thrives on greed. Who will win out? It depends who you feed! Author: Dave Goodkin C 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:16:25 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts now NJC >>On the other hand, maybe we're not the target for this collection. Like Steely Dan's Citizen Dan (which captured their complete catalog in a 4-cd box & included 2 bonus tracks)<< This (Citizen Dan) sounds like a very interesting deal to me, especially if the remastering is well done, and I imagine it has been, but let's be clear that this is not the 'complete catalogue' nor is it their 'complete oeuvre' (as a review at Amazon says) but in fact goes only up to 1980. OK they haven't been that prolific since then but I think it's important to get this straight. There's nothing from 'Alive in America', a wonderful CD on which Becker takes the lead on one track, and has wonderful on the road versions of some of their greatest stuff. I will buy this if I see it at a good price. mike in barcelona NP Robert Palmer - takes every kind of people. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:20:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Court and Spark Fredrick wrote: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? Mine's on the way from cd universe. I bought it because I like sonic upgrades (not to mention cool booklets and liner notes, etc., especially from Joni Mitchell. I know, I'm a freak) and I *do* have a great stereo. I don't have WTRF on cd. I like CMIARS. It took a lot of getting used to way back when, but it got under my skin eventually. I'm still waiting to fall in love with DED, though. Maybe my new self-indulgent purchase of this box set will do the trick, cause I'll listen to it a lot, trying to get my money's worth! At least I know how I am. David Rahall listening to Renee Geyer (a "best of" compilation) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? > In response to: > > I seriously don't understand why so many of you all blame Joni personally for this stuff. These types of products come from record company business and marketing decisions. I only have a rough idea of how song licensing and record contracts work (where's Brenda?!) but I'm pretty sure Joni has very > little to do with what they release, etc...... > > Kakki > > Yes...my relatively uneducated guess is that the guys in suits (or whatever they wear in LA) made many of the decisions here...at least it is they who decide whether to produce/release the thing or not. The record company, except in a few cases, absolutely holds the legal right to manufacture and release or re-release recordings (though of course some artists these days are running their own labels and others are negotiating the ownership, or possibly licensing, if that's a better word, rights to their recordings). > > Anyway though, do you remember when the Geffen box set discussion started months ago? At some point after Joni, as she mentioned in some interview, contacted the company and reminded them that they have her Geffen cds in a vault and would they like to do something with them. So perhaps it was Joni who got the disk rolling, but the to-do-or-not-to-do decision belongs to the suits currently in charge, which do not include the free-man-in-paris himself, as I understand it. > > It is very likely that Joni sees this as another effort (as was "Misses") to reintroduce some of her more-neglected work to the public, and perhaps a way of boosting her legacy. I don't know if it will succeed at that or not. > > I will definitely buy this set, probably as a holiday gift to myself. I may be a member of a small minority, but I really like the Geffen period work. As I've said earlier, it doesn't hold up too well when compared to the 70s masterpieces (what does?), but I nonetheless enjoy these albums a great deal. I am neither ashamed nor embarrassed to include CMIARS among my most enjoyed. Yes, I wish they had included more previously unreleased stuff. > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:06:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR, all mixed up Subject: Re: new Emmylou njc hi >>>>bob wrote >>>>>and I thought the 5 Blind Boys of Alabama did too, but I can't find the details on that one. Whew! a brief review of this one - it is available from villagerecords.com "As Louis Jordan used to say, "Let the joy begin." This has got to be the best Christmas album in years. The Boys are joined by Mavis Staples, Tom Waits, Les McCann, Solomon Burke, Aaron Neville and more on this once in a lifetime disc. One listen to this and you just know that this is how the songs were meant to be heard. Whether it's the glorious harmonies or the soulful interpretations you'll be drawn in by this album. Don't get us wrong we love to hear Frank, Johnny, Bing and Perry sing Christmas songs but this one is at the top of the tree for us this year. Release Date: 09/16/2003 " and id also like to reccomend villagerecords - they have a wonderful selection, and some great 2nd hands at good prices. people trying to get their cds out should give them a go - they do a regular mailer with useful reviews, ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:25:25 +0200 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: joni mitchell is a man Who made that remark about joni being a man -- I forget -- is it Dylan? It's stupid, sexist bullshit if you ask me. Paul of the Netherlands - -------------------------------------- Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 - Joni IQ Excellent research!! I knew I could count on you guys. And the best part is, it doesn't make the quote any less outrageous!! :-) sue > the quote is: "joni is an honorary man.". bob dylan. > wally >> >> That was Dylan, but that's not what he said. It was more like >> "Joni's more >> like a man" referring to her lone-wolf status in the music world, or >> something >> like that. But he didn't say Joni is a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:43:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: NJC: Bowie boxset Thanks for alerting me to this boxset. Question: Did they ever release David Live on CD? Or is David Live included in this boxset? It's like a lost relic of my teenage years and I've been looking for it on CD for a long time. My cassette tape disintegrated in my hand last year and my 8-track was stolen from my VW at Smith Point beach in 1979. :-( If you can help an old bowie phile that would be great, sue You said: I think the best box set I have is David Bowie's Sound & Vision. It is *exquisitely* packaged; the running order is chronological and has been chosen with real thought; and there is a generous smattering of rare stuff, including a few pearls that Bowiephiles would have been searching for for years (in my case, this would be things like the original versions of The Prettiest Star and Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud, the demo of Space Oddity, the ultra-rare cover of Bruce Springsteen's It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City). Crazily, this set was not given a proper release in this country, if I remember rightly - I'm almost certain I had to order it on import. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:45:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni mitchell is a man --- Paul Mepschen wrote: > Who made that remark about joni being a man -- I > forget -- is it Dylan? It's > stupid, sexist bullshit if you ask me. > > Paul of the Netherlands > Well, now we know it was Dylan. Quelle surprise, eh? I doubt we'd ever make him an honorary woman. His loss. ;-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Came across this when cruising the web tonight - Dar > Wiliams, Mary Chapin > Carpenter, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin, Patty > Griffin and Lucinda Williams will > perform at the Tall Stacks festival in Cincinnati > October 15-19. Many others > as well. Worth a trip to the Queen City. > OMG! They could change the name to Heaven! Where do you get more info on this? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:53:43 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Dylan on Joni - the exact quote Here is the interview where Dylan compares Joni to a man. It's from Rolling Stone, in 1987. BD: I don't know. Showbiz -- well, I don't dig it. I don't go to see someone jump around I hate to see chicks perform. _Hate_ it. KL: Why? BD: Because they whore themselves. Especially the ones that don't wear anything. They f**in' whore themselves. KL: Even someone like Joni Mitchell? BD: Well, no. but, then, Joni Mitchell is almost like a _man_ [laughs]. I mean, I love Joni, too. But Joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's all her own, and she lives on that timetable.. Joni Mitchell is in her own world all by herself, so she has a right to keep any rhythm she wants. She's allowed to tell you what time it is. http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/int/RS1987.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!!] - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! From: "Susan E McNamara" Date: Sat, September 27, 2003 8:12 am To: The questions that would be hard for us is stuff that Joni has never said out loud!!! The Ithaca crowd will be for the most part old folkies and cornell students who either only know Big Yellow Taxi by the Counting Crows or stopped listening to her after Court and Spark. I hope in some ways I'm wrong about that but we'll see. Right now I'm definitely playing Magdalene Laundries but the second song is a toss up between The Priest (I like the Catholic theme there), I Think I Understand (which has been obsession of mine for about a month now) or A Strange Boy. They are recording the sessions, so I'll make sure you get a copy (if you would like one). Hope you are well, Sue > > Hi Sue - good job on the questions, a tad on the easy side for this > crowd but I'm sure you'll challenge your audience all right. > > What songs are you going to perform? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:06:24 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Bowie boxset In a message dated 27/09/2003 13:43:30 GMT Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: > Thanks for alerting me to this boxset. Question: Did they ever release > David Live on CD? Or is David Live included in this boxset? It's like a > lost relic of my teenage years and I've been looking for it on CD for a > long time. David Live has certainly been released on CD, although that doesn't mean it's currently available, as his entire back catalogue has been issued on CD three times; the RCA reissues are long-deleted and ridiculously valuable now considering how lousy they were - sadly, that may be the only time David Live saw CD action. I didn't really check for it, as it's one of those albums I never play (I have it on vinyl). There are three songs from it on Sound & Vision, which covers 1969-1980. It's really worth getting anyway, if it's still available. Azeem in London NP: DB - Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:08:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC --- Catherine McKay wrote: > - --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Came across this > when > cruising the web tonight - Dar > > Wiliams, Mary Chapin > > Carpenter, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin, Patty > > Griffin and Lucinda Williams will > > perform at the Tall Stacks festival in Cincinnati > > October 15-19. Many others > > as well. Worth a trip to the Queen City. > > > > OMG! They could change the name to Heaven! Where do > you get more info on this? > This won't be the first time I've answered my own question. HEre's the URL for anyone who's interested: http://www.tallstacks.com/ Am I missing something? Is it at all possible that you only pay $12 grounds admission and the concerts are included? What's the catch? Isn't there always a catch? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:08:35 +1000 From: ash Subject: $$$$?.... From John Stanley's 2002 book Collecting Vinyl. that's those big black Frisbees things...... under the heading Pop Composers...page 193 Quote....... "Joni Mitchell offered a more sophisticated and reflective mood, having little care for singles. Each LP was like some personal sketchpad of her visions on her life and relationships".....and "Prices for her records aren't high- for example, two later LPs an audiophile form, Court and Spark and the The Hissing of Summer Lawns, are worth $50 (US) and 15 pounds (British) respectively". While French mime artist Marcel Marceau, who made an LP with 19 mins of silence on each side, plus two mins of clapping....there is no price on this!! Ash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:05:28 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell Now Lama again: Page 3 is now barely hanging on to the binder. The cardstock has stressed the glue too much during the time it took me to type in this essay. Very soon, it's going to end up like the loose cardstock in the BSN box, which MG called "trading cards". short-sighted businessmen nothin' lasts for long nothin' lasts for long nothin' lasts for long Lama - ------------------------------ Well, after just one read through, the first three pages were in my lap in the car. It is like those paste-up pads were you just barely rip to pull off another one. I also realized the new sunset picture is actually the back side of the CMIARS CD, so even that isn't new. If Joni was able to obtain the Masters that would mean she had complete control over their Re-release, and since she has maintained all packaging rights I would figure most of the responsibility lies on her shoulders. As she shows the booklet to her friends and the pages start to shuffle out of place she'll get pissed, then maybe she'll do a remake. Remember how the lovely candy box of BSN had recording flaws in the begging? Who knows maybe she needs some quick cash for Kiluren"s defense fund on the husband's child abuse charge, or she is trying to start the grand kids college fund now before the cost of education gets to out of controll:~) Most order houses already have dropped the price by $10.00. Inspite of it all, I still love her more than anyone else in the business! I listen to every thing she does day after day (sorry that's a title) and enjoy it all, even the Geffen years, and have been using "Dog Eat Dog" for the last several years to fend off the religious right influence of our home town of Fort Myers. So for now if you can't afford it your all invited over to my house to listen to it. We'll send Rolls on a long errand as not to get any interruptions, just bring a joint or two:~))) "Happy Rosh Hashanah" Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:24:27 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR, all mixed up Bob Muller suggested > A Strange Crow > Black Boy > > Bob, punishing himself by listening to: > > NP: Joni, "Dancin' Clown" (on repeat) > Wait a minute ! I do not believe in excessive punishment. If you feel the guilt, that's punishment enough for me ;-) Seriously, if you keeping listening to Dancin Clown on repeat, you'll end up like that character in A Clockwork Orange, vomiting at the sight of the CMIAR CD cover. And we do not want that result. If you wanted to punish yourself, you might put Hejira on and leave it there for the next month. You may think to yourself (a la Brer Rabbit) "please don't throw me in that briar patch", but by November I bet you'll be begging for Chalkmark :~) ? But as I said, I do not believe in unwarranted punishment. This weekend, I'm gonna start getting immersed in Emmy Lou (going to a concert at Carnegie Hall next month with a friend who's a big fan of hers, who lent me "Portraits" and one other CD that is a bit more recent. I may also pick up her new one - I have Red Dirt Girl). Is it adultery even if you don't enjoy it ? Oops, maybe I should save that question for Bill Clinton ? Naughty Bobsart NP - The Boho Line - er, I mean, The Jungle Dance. Whatever. I just listened to Don't Interrupt the Sire (my kind of song, but so is The Sorrow of Sorrow - Bob's Sad Song). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:35:15 -0700 From: PAUL LOGAN Subject: Joni & JT BBC In Concert Video Hi--I am looking for a video of the BBC In Concert of Joni & James Taylor which aired in October,1970. Any information would be appreciated---thanks, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:35:42 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR, all mixed up In a message dated 9/27/2003 8:07:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Bob, punishing himself by listening to: > > NP: Joni, "Dancin' Clown" (on repeat) > ROTF!!!!!!!!!! You must be feeling *really* guilty!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:02:39 -0500 From: patti haskins Subject: Re: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell Patti in Dallas here to report that my wonderful husband came home last night from a business trip to Austin and brought my two presents, the box set and the alternative Blue. My booklet from the box set is actually stitched together, with actual thread. It really is a gorgeous package. Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >This is the forward in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS box set: >------------------------------- >THE LOST YEARS by Joni Mitchell >------------------------------- > It was Christmas. I was signing prints for Geffen's "A" list, when I was >informed by an alarmed friend that my first two (Geffen) albums had been cut >out. I called up the company president and I said, "You mean I'm sitting >here, getting writer's cramp, giving you these signed lithos for nothing and >you've dropped WILD THINGS RUN FAST and DOG EAT DOG?" I was demoralized. > > I made four albums for Geffen. For one reason or another, they were >viewed as being out of sync with the '80s. But I was out of synch with the >'80s. Thanks God! To be in sync with these times, in my opinion, was to be >degenerating both morally and artistically. Materialism became a virtue; >greed was "hip". You heard the word "victim" bandied about, but never the >word "victimizer". It seemed like everyone was dressed in black everywhere. >What were we mourning? > > When Geffen Records sold to MCA, they announced with pride, on the radio, >all of the great and near great artists transferred in the deal. I was not >mentioned. In '98, when the conglomerate possessing my masters merged with >another conglomerate, PolyGram, again the roster was highlighted in the >media and again I was not mentioned. When this "multiglomerate" announced >its intentions to sell itself to France, I called the CEO and requested that >he return my masters to me. "They're like an old pair of slippers at the >back of your closet. They're just gathering dust. You don't even know >they're there." He agreed that he didn't. "I know this is audacious," I >said, "But you're not making any money off of them so, give 'em to me!" He >passed me down to the president. For the last three years, I have been >meeting with Universal representatives trying to get these records back on >the street. > > So, here, sprung from the dungeons of Geffen Records after doing twelve >years for failing to be wildly popular, are these four parolees. Much >thanks to Mike Ragogna and Andy McKaie and Bruce Resnikoff and Jimmy Iovine- >friends on the inside. Special thanks to David Geffen for the file in the >cake. > > > > >------------------------------- >Now Lama again: >Page 3 is now barely hanging on to the binder. The cardstock has stressed >the glue too much during the time it took me to type in this essay. Very >soon, it's going to end up like the loose cardstock in the BSN box, which MG >called "trading cards". > >short-sighted businessmen >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long > > >Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:44:25 -0400 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni Box Set Hi all. Been away from the list for a while so excuse me if this has already been covered. My only interest in the box set is whether the discs have been re-mastered at current 20 bit quality or in HDCD. Does anyone know? If not (and MCA has a terrible track record at re-mastering, usually not bothering to bring re-issues up to current CD standards) there really is no reason to get it. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:05:07 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: daryl hall njc Sherelle, you are the greatest. I had no idea that Daryl had a new album out until you mentioned the tune. He didn't tout this album during the concert or if he did I missed it. Purchased it today. Different effort from him as it doesn't have any r and b overtones, which I love, but nevertheless is quite good, and that is on first listen. He also does a new version of 'she's gone.' Actually, reading the liner notes, not really sure when this album came out as it is not mentioned at all. Will have to run to their site to find that out. Anyway, thanks Sherelle. mack np: daryl hall- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:11:24 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "Female singer/songwriter" alert NJC >--- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Came across this > > when > > cruising the web tonight - Dar > > > Wiliams, Mary Chapin > > > Carpenter, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin, Patty > > > Griffin and Lucinda Williams will > > > perform at the Tall Stacks festival in Cincinnati > > > October 15-19. Many others > > > as well. Worth a trip to the Queen City. >This won't be the first time I've answered my own >question. HEre's the URL for anyone who's interested: >http://www.tallstacks.com/ Am I missing something? Is >it at all possible that you only pay $12 grounds >admission and the concerts are included? What's the >catch? Isn't there always a catch? NO..no catch. Well...where the city and all the boats that come make their $$ is from admission onto the boats. For instance a dinner cruise or wine tasting cruise would cost you around seventy bucks. In 1999, the last time TallStacks was here...around 800 thousand people converged upon the city. But the good news is $12 gets you a pass for all five days of entertainment on the pavilions. TWELVE BUCKS ALL FIVE DAYS!!!! Not only will the great women be here that Bryan listed but also B.B. King, John Hammond..and many ..many others. Seventy-five acts..representing..Bluegrass...jazz, Dixieland Jazz..heartland rock. So anyway...if anybody on the list is interested in coming down..or over or up..across ..let me know..you'd have a place to stay. FOR FREE! ;-) I'm planning on being there the night..Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin perform. Bree >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:11:32 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: The Bush Revolution-NJC Return-path: From: DFGinMIA@aol.com Full-name: DFG in MIA Message-ID: <30.4795ade0.2ca752e9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:54:01 EDT Subject: The Bush Revolution To: MINGSDANCE@aol.com, dean.gould@verizon.net, ggould@aboodwoodfay.com, cgould@mindspring.com, mbjimmy@bellsouth.net, gschott@telluscapital.com, jaxson@hotmail.com, DWLewing@aol.com, ABubrow@aol.com, jlabus@cisco.com, david_maue@mckinsey.com, Bornafox@aol.com, ronald.moorman@csfb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dear Friends and Family: I have rarely been moved to write my friends and family about a matter of personal concern, but an article in last week's New York Times magazine has moved me to do so. If you have not seen it, please take the time to read the "Tax Cut Con" by Paul Krugman at www.newyorktimes.com. It will change the way you look at the Bush Administration and what is going on in our country today. As many of you know, I started my adult life, and my career, as a Reagan conservative, in the early 1980s. As the assistant to the Chairman of Texas Instruments, I was responsible for developing his political and economic policies and writing numerous speeches for national and international audiences. I wrote numerous letters for his signature -- to everyone from the President of the United States to the heads of leading industrial corporations. I was (and am) proud to say I helped make him one of the 20 most influential business people in the U.S., according to the Wall Street Journal in 1982. We supported many, though not all, of the initiatives of the Reagan era. Among other things, we believed that by cutting taxes and freeing business from unnecessary government regulation, our country could recover from the malaise of the Carter and post-Vietnam years. To some extent, I do think that those ideas were right at the time, and that the country benefited from them. I have come to believe, however, that many of the people who espoused "Supply Side Economics" then, and certainly most of the people who continue to push the tax cut agenda now, are deliberately misleading the American people. Their real goal is not to make government more efficient or less prolifigate, but to destroy the United States government by bankrupting it. They know that the vast majority of American people support the ideals and programs of the New Deal and Great Society, and that they could never achieve this objective politically. So, they are doing it by stealth, lies and political chicanery on a scale not seen in this country since the days of Tamany Hall. There is not a tax crisis in this country. Not only are Americans among the lowest-taxed people in the industrial world, our tax burden is significantly less than it was twenty years ago. Government spending has grown in absolute terms, but as a percentage of GNP, it is lower than at any time since the Great Depression. Mr. Bush is either a member of the ideological fringe determined to destroy the U.S. government, or is their dupe. Either way, he and his administration are a threat to the long-term future of the United States and our way of life. The damage his tax cuts, the overwhelmingly vast majority of which are flowing to the rich, are almost incalculable, even if he is only a one-term president. If the trends George W. Bush has set in motion come to pass, most of you receiving this e-mail will never see a social security check or have access to Medicare or Medicaid. You will live in a country where there is no middle class, just the very rich and very poor. If you are lucky enough to be among the former group, God bless you. God help you if you are not. But even the rich will suffer -- living behind locked gates, trembling at the great mass of un-educated, poor and angry masses right outside their doors. Within a few years, the crop that Mr. Bush has sown will be harvested. It will include increasing levels of poverty (already up for the second year in a row), exploding homelessness, rising illiteracy, and growing social strife. Be prepared to see more and more beggars in the streets, child prostitution, drug use and growing slums in our inner cities. You or someone you know will spend the night in an emergency room, because they can't afford health insurance. You or someone you know will lose his or her job and not be able to find another one. You or someone you know will lose their home. You or someone you know will fall out of the social safety net, tattered as it is, and not be heard from again. Never in my entire politically-aware life -- which began with Watergate -- have I ever been so depressed at the direction our country is taking. Even the Vietnam debacle and the "malaise" of the Carter years pale in comparison. I can only hope that the American people wake up and recognize that their country has been hijacked by the Far Right, whose agenda is anethma to so much that most of us hold dear, and that they will do so before next November. If you agree with me, please share your thoughts (or mine) with others. And by all means, give your time, money and support to those candidates who will reverse the policies of the Bush administration and return our country to the ideals best expressed by FDR in his Four Freedoms speech: freedom from want, from fear, freedom of speech and freedom to worship. Our country's future is at stake. YOUR future is at stake. Dave Gould ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:17:58 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Joan Baez box set njc Does anyone have information on the Joan Baez 'Complete A & M Recordings' box set? I would assume that this one would include 'Gulf Winds'. I would buy it for that cd alone, I think. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:13:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joan Baez box set njc Subject: Re: Joan Baez box set njc > "Baez's tenure with A&M lasted from 1972-1976 and yielded five studio > albums, a live recording and three non-album singles. All of them are > included here > on four CDs with gorgeously remastered sound, a deluxe package with > exhaustive, insightful and unflinching liner notes by Arthur Levy and > a package that should win a Grammy award for design and presentation > if nothing else. " > > Gulf Winds was a 1976 release on A&M. > > Bob Hmm. I'm pretty sure 'Blowin' Away' and 'Honest Lullabye' were on A&M as well and they both came after 'Gulf Winds'. Wonder if they're included as well? I have most of Joan's A&M recordings on cd but some of them might be worth getting remasters of. I know the sound on some of the cds I have is not particularly good (Honest Lullabye is particularly bad). I once heard a half-speed master of 'Diamonds and Rust' on vinyl and salivated for the day it would come out on cd. I was very disappointed. Well I'm off to Costco! Wish me luck! Mark PS: I'm thinking the 5 studio albums would be: Come From the Shadows Diamonds and Rust Gulf Winds Blowin' Away Honest Lullabye and the live recording has to be 'From Every Stage'. But I know that at least 'Honest Lullabye' was released after 1976. Probably just more mis-information from those half-wits at All Music Guide ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:36:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joan Baez box set njc oh gulf winds!!!!! why wasn't that gem ever released on cd!?!? a friend of mine copied it on cd for me from her tired, clicking, old vinyl. i've been listening to gulf wind (the song) about three times a day for the last five years. what a perfect song. wally, SO exhausted. i've just made 105 (one hundred AND five) meat pies for a friend's birthday party -- another libra and he loves my cooking! currently playing: DED. HA! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:45:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC -- brushes with greatness: babysitters Joan Baez was from my hometown and used to babysit for the children in my sister's friend's family. I also once knew someone who had Judy Collins as a babysitter when he was a child and she used to comp him tickets whenever he came to town. What's more, it's Saturday night and I am sitting around writing about famous babysitters people had half a century ago. I think that is a great, big, glowing neon sign flashing this message: Get a life, Bob! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:50:06 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell >short-sighted businessmen >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long > > >Lama > >------------------------------ >So for now if you can't afford it your all invited over to my house to >listen to it. We'll send >Rolls on a long errand as not to get any interruptions, just bring a joint >or >two:~))) HI!! I agree with you and Lama and others. This boxed set was mostly if not all Joni's doings. I have not bought it yet. I suppose I eventually will just because I have *everything and I want to be complete. But I was thinking......... Mingus you wrote about people coming and listening to the boxed set with you... AND while this would be wonderful too. BUTjust think, if the Joan puts out old but unreleased stuff or catching my breath here...something NEW.....ALL NEW MATERIAL. ......would this not be the ultimate Joni get-together?! Where in unison we would all hear it for the VERY first time!! I know ..just a dream some of us had..a fantasy.. but a dream I will hold onto....... AND I'll happily bring a few goodies along... I hope Rolls is doing well. Love... Bree >"Happy Rosh Hashanah" > >Peace >Mingus > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:50:32 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: " The Lost Years" By Joni Mitchell >short-sighted businessmen >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long >nothin' lasts for long > > >Lama > >------------------------------ >So for now if you can't afford it your all invited over to my house to >listen to it. We'll send >Rolls on a long errand as not to get any interruptions, just bring a joint >or >two:~))) HI!! I agree with you and Lama and others. This boxed set was mostly if not all Joni's doings. I have not bought it yet. I suppose I eventually will just because I have *everything and I want to be complete. But I was thinking......... Mingus you wrote about people coming and listening to the boxed set with you... AND while this would be wonderful too. BUTjust think, if the Joan puts out old but unreleased stuff or catching my breath here...something NEW.....ALL NEW MATERIAL. ......would this not be the ultimate Joni get-together?! Where in unison we would all hear it for the VERY first time!! I know ..just a dream some of us had..a fantasy.. but a dream I will hold onto....... AND I'll happily bring a few goodies along... I hope Rolls is doing well. Love... Bree >"Happy Rosh Hashanah" > >Peace >Mingus > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #489 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)