From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #488 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 488 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: boxed set bummer [] Test Your Joni IQ!! [Susan McNamara ] RE: boxed set bummer ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC Sept. 26th [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Test Your Joni IQ!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: The Geffen Set and box sets generally now Lucinda Williams njc [Cathe] RE: NJC Sept. 26th ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: The Geffen Set and box sets generally now Lucinda Williams njc ["Ric] RE: box set bummer, some random thoughts ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] "Whitey" from "Leave It to Beaver" and others, RIP -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol] Re: Why the Geffen set??? ["kakki" ] Re: boxed set bummer ["Mark or Travis" ] Court And Spark art work (not!) [Frederick Woodruff ] "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts [Catherine McKay ] Re: CMIAR [Bobsart48@aol.com] re: test your Joni IQ ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Masterpiece [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: NJC Sept. 26th ["Victor Johnson" ] Today's Library Links: September 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:55:56 -0500 From: Subject: RE: boxed set bummer Weighing in on this one: I don't plan to get the Geffen set. I'll read through the thoughts all of you have expressed on the subject, and perhaps something will convince me that I must have this. However, from where I sit now, I don't see any reason to re-purchase four CDs that I already have for the sake of one unreleased track and some notes. My sound equipment is not so sophisticated that I'd notice much difference due to the remastering. I'll use the money I save to try to track down some old, hard-to-find Warren Zevon CDs, and to buy stuff by up-and-coming artists who are new to me. Sorry, Joni--but even my loyalty has its limits. Mary P., notorious tightwad (at least, about duplicative purchases). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:16:57 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Test Your Joni IQ!! Hi Gang: I'm getting ready for the Joni Mitchell Open Mike at Juna's Cafe, Ithaca NY on October 2 and I thought as a party favor I would make "Test Your Joni IQ" tents on the tables. Who better to test this brainteaser than on the people who should know better!!! :-) Let me know what you think (and I know you will). Question #1 Joni is known as a confessional songwriter. One of the best examples of this is the song Little Green. What is this song about and what event in the recent past brought the subject of the song full circle? Joni lyric hint: "So you sign all the papers in the family name, you're sad and you're sorry but you're not ashamed of Little Green, have a happy ending." Question #2 An interviewer asked this Rock God who he thought were some of the best women songwriters in Rock and Roll? He answered that he didn't know of any. When the interviewer asked incredulously, "What about Joni Mitchell?" he answered, "Joni Mitchell is a man." Who made this notorious quote? Joni lyric hint: "Coyote was jumping straight up and making passes, He had those same eyes just like yours, Under your dark glasses" Question #3 What hard living, gun-toting Rocker produced Joni's first album? He is also known for the quote: "Joni Mitchell is as modest as Mussolini!" Joni lyric hint: "The taste of the spray he takes, And he learns to give, He aches and he learns to live , He stakes all his silver ... On a promise to be free" Question #4 Who was one of Joni's big Studio 54 dancing buddies who also sang backup on the album Don Juan's Reckless Daughter? Joni lyric hint: "Betsy's blue she says, "Tell me something good!" Question #5 The Bold Joni has had a vast array of interesting lovers. On Wild Things Run Fast, four men who were former lovers and a roommate appear on the song "Man to Man." Who were they? Joni lyric hint: "How come I keep movin from Man to Man to Man ?" Question #6 On her birthday in 1998, Joni attended a performance by John Kelly and after the show presented him with one of her dulcimers. What genre does John Kelly perform? Joni lyric hint: " they paved paradise and put up a parking lot " - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:40:30 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: boxed set bummer >How about a taste of that eloquence for those of us who don't plan to buy the box?< me too, i'd love to hear what she wrote... & does it strike anyone as deja deja deja vu vu vu that joni's musical choices are controversial or disappointing to some of her fans? whether its new songs or rearranged or remastered... it seems to me its been that way more years than not....not a judgement just an observation... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:03:03 -0400 From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Sept. 26th HAPPY FECKIN' BIRTHDAY VICTOR!!!!! LOVE, ROSIE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:21:51 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? In response to: I seriously don't understand why so many of you all blame Joni personally for this stuff. These types of products come from record company business and marketing decisions. I only have a rough idea of how song licensing and record contracts work (where's Brenda?!) but I'm pretty sure Joni has very little to do with what they release, etc...... Kakki Yes...my relatively uneducated guess is that the guys in suits (or whatever they wear in LA) made many of the decisions here...at least it is they who decide whether to produce/release the thing or not. The record company, except in a few cases, absolutely holds the legal right to manufacture and release or re-release recordings (though of course some artists these days are running their own labels and others are negotiating the ownership, or possibly licensing, if that's a better word, rights to their recordings). Anyway though, do you remember when the Geffen box set discussion started months ago? At some point after Joni, as she mentioned in some interview, contacted the company and reminded them that they have her Geffen cds in a vault and would they like to do something with them. So perhaps it was Joni who got the disk rolling, but the to-do-or-not-to-do decision belongs to the suits currently in charge, which do not include the free-man-in-paris himself, as I understand it. It is very likely that Joni sees this as another effort (as was "Misses") to reintroduce some of her more-neglected work to the public, and perhaps a way of boosting her legacy. I don't know if it will succeed at that or not. I will definitely buy this set, probably as a holiday gift to myself. I may be a member of a small minority, but I really like the Geffen period work. As I've said earlier, it doesn't hold up too well when compared to the 70s masterpieces (what does?), but I nonetheless enjoy these albums a great deal. I am neither ashamed nor embarrassed to include CMIARS among my most enjoyed. Yes, I wish they had included more previously unreleased stuff. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:38:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 -- Why the Geffen set??? > I can't help responding that that seems to be just how Joni sees herself! I think she does set herself apart from everyone else in the biz - for better or worse - and that might explain why she doesn't get her hands dirty and involve herself in what is done in her name, the "product" that is released. I'd guess this applied to this box set more than the last two albums, as they seem to have been the sort of labour of love nobody could have persuaded anyone into doing if they didn't already want to. I think the point you make about re-releasing the individual albums is an excellent one, Victor. The fans would be more likely to buy them, while newbies might poke their heads in too. It seems almost perverse that her Geffen output (which, just to be clear on where I stand, is vastly inferior to her 70s work) is receiving this treatment while the 70s material is ignored. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Geffen Set and box sets generally now Lucinda Williams njc --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > NP: Lucinda Williams - World Without Tears. Lucinda raps!! Now THAT is a good CD and I'm so glad I bought it. Lucinda is another artist that keeps reinventing herself, but not IMO just as a marketing ploy. She is quite amazing and this CD was playing non-stop in my car CD player (and not just because I forgot to take it out either!)\ ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:30:06 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: NJC Sept. 26th Happiest of days, oh human jukebox. Sing out, sing on! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: FMYFL@aol.com [mailto:FMYFL@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:54 AM To: joni@smoe.org; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: NJC Sept. 26th wally......Wally........WAAAALLLLY {{{{ WAKE UP }}}}}} Well, it appears that Wally had too much fun at the opera last night and he decided to sleep in (along with the Birthday). That or he's playing with his Johnson. AND speaking of Johnsons..............lets everybody put their carrot piccolos together to play "Happy Fucking Birthday" to V I C T O R J O H N S O N Have a great one Victor, and sing your heart out all weekend! Jimmy (without any gossamer wings) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:41:51 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: The Geffen Set and box sets generally now Lucinda Williams njc Yes, the Lucinda is great. I bought it on vinyl as well for the 2 bonus cuts, and to hear it with all that analog ambience. My son got us passes to see her at a club in Raleigh a couple of years ago. (Before he graduated, he was the colleg radio station person assigned to Americana or Roots or whatever you call it--gave him pull with Lost Highway. Now, alas, he's severely underemployed.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:54 PM > To: AzeemAK@aol.com; kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The Geffen Set and box sets generally now Lucinda Williams > njc > > > --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > NP: Lucinda Williams - > World Without Tears. Lucinda raps!! > > > Now THAT is a good CD and I'm so glad I bought it. > Lucinda is another artist that keeps reinventing > herself, but not IMO just as a marketing ploy. She is > quite amazing and this CD was playing non-stop in my > car CD player (and not just because I forgot to take > it out either!)\ > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:26:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: box set bummer, some random thoughts I've been following this thread and there seems to be a recurring theme that the Geffen label is out charge a lot without giving the box set buying public a fair deal. I respectfully disagree and here's why. I think the executives in ANY record company know that the diehard fan wants a box chocked full of unique stuff. I think they probably pushed really, really hard for more rarities. Someone responsible for making money on boxed sets wouldn't go out of his or her way to trim bonus tracks away! Do record companies often shoot themselves in the foot? No, that's Joni's thumbprint! I think that the small number of extra tracks and the heavy cardstock was a Creative Decision from the Artist. Before you accuse the corporation, ask yourself, "Who's the perfectionist, constantly putting ever-fancier frames around her work?" I rest my case. Lama More news as it develops. Later tonight, my next post will be the scathing introduction to the box by the Artist. It's only 4 paragraphs long but she's so obsessed with frames these days, she gave it a title..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:45:44 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts In a message dated 9/26/2003 9:05:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Like going to see the neighbor's kid in > the school play, we pretty much know going into it what we're going > to get but do it anyway so we can maintain the relationship. > You know, this is exactly how I feel about it. I ordered it online and it's on the way, but I'm not real excited about getting it. Well put, Coversman. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:56:13 +0000 From: nabalom@comcast.net Subject: Re: Robert Palmer R.I.P. Howdy Folks, Yes indeed it is very sad to hear about Mr. Palmer...As many have said his recording output was rather hit-or-miss; but he was a true musician and his first few albums are oft-overlooked classics...In case you have never heard them, check them out...They are, "Sneakin' Sally Thru the Alley" (which I personally think is his best; I played that sucka to death in college...FYI, theh backing band for that album, and one of the reasons it is soooo HOT, is early Litte Feat!), "Some People Can Do What They Like", "Pressure Drop", and there may be one or two others as well...Like I said, definitely worth checking out...Robert was heavily influenced by, and worked with, Alan Toussaint (who Co- Produced alot of Robert's late 70's and early 80's output, and the whole cajun- zydeco-funk-soul-rock scene... It is truly a lose....But we still of course have his music with us... It's odd, we have been losing alot of artists lately...I suppose it may be more perceptional though as well; the older we get the more of 'our' artists, those of our generation start to pass, and you notice their lose more...A cyclical thang I am sure each generation experiences...It is an odd feeling though... Well Sir Robert...Long May You Run... Peas...Sir Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:56:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Totally now Lucinda Williams njc Subject: RE: box set bummer, some random thoughts Naw, the 70s work hasn't been ignored really. All of the 70s work has been remastered for CD (in HDCD) by the elves at Reprise. They took the opportunity to restore the missing seconds of "Miles Of Aisles". Unlike Geffen's DOG EAT DOG, I don't think Reprise has ever discounted her work to value-line prices nor taken a single one out of circulation. Although Joni didn't have a contract with anyone, Reprise put out "TRAVELOGUE" from their Nonesuch branch for us. Joni's first manager, Elliot Roberts, said that Reprise has given our heroine carte blanche where packaging is concerned from Day One. That's why she said "No" to the other major labels. I read it in "Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light". Have you heard of it? It was written by a close personal friend, Karen O'Brien. :) Lama np: WILD THINGS RUN FAST's "Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody". Gees, that John Guerin was some great, Blade-like drummer! Did I mention that I have Joni Mitchell's new box set THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS? I was discussing it today with a bad lady and... Azeem said > I can't help responding that that seems to be just how Joni sees herself! I think she does set herself apart from everyone else in the biz - for better or worse - and that might explain why she doesn't get her hands dirty and involve herself in what is done in her name, the "product" that is released. I'd guess this applied to this box set more than the last two albums, as they seem to have been the sort of labour of love nobody could have persuaded anyone into doing if they didn't already want to. I think the point you make about re-releasing the individual albums is an excellent one, Victor. The fans would be more likely to buy them, while newbies might poke their heads in too. It seems almost perverse that her Geffen output (which, just to be clear on where I stand, is vastly inferior to her 70s work) is receiving this treatment while the 70s material is ignored. > Victor wrote: << It almost seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot, treating Joni like some princess who lives in a castle with brown tenemant walls >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:16:32 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: what instrument? njc Bob mentioned the piano was a percussion instrument. Laura mentioned it was also a string instrument. I like that it is both a string and percussion. Question: I'm thinking of a instrument that also belongs to two categories, percussion and _________________ . What is this instrument? The first one to guest it right gets to make a wish. I like this instrument. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:41:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: "Whitey" from "Leave It to Beaver" and others, RIP -- NJC What a day for death . . .. Besides "Whitey" (story below), author George Plimpton and playwright Herb Gardner ("A Thosand Clowns" and I'm Not Rappaport") also died. 'Whitey' from 'Leave It to Beaver' dead at 53 By Steve Gorman Reuters Posted September 26 2003, 4:13 PM EDT LOS ANGELES - Former child actor Stanley Fafara, who played Beaver's pal Whitey on the idyllic family sitcom ``Leave It to Beaver'' but descended into a real-life adulthood of drugs, alcohol and petty crime, has died at age 53, friends said Friday. Fafara died in a Portland, Ore., hospital on Saturday, Sept. 20, of complications from surgery he underwent last month to repair a constricted intestine caused by a hernia, according to Tom Hallman Jr., a reporter for the Portland Oregonian who knew him. Hallman, who had kept in touch with Fafara since writing a profile of him in December 2002, said the former actor already was weakened by a hepatitis C infection contracted years ago from intravenous drug use. Hallman said friends of Fafara told him the former actor ultimately was removed from life support after slipping into a coma. His death capped a tragic adult epilogue to the boyhood celebrity Fafara enjoyed as a young actor portraying ``Whitey'' Whitney, the tow-headed pal of the title character played by Jerry Mathers on ``Leave It to Beaver.'' The show, set in the fictional suburban town of Mayfield, aired on CBS and ABC from 1957 to 1963. Fafara, who grew up in the Los Angeles suburbs of Studio City and was pushed into acting by his mother, landed the part as Whitey after doing a number of commercials. He also had appeared in an episode of ``The Adventures of Rin Tin Tin.'' In a recent online interview, Fafara said it was Whitey who uttered the first line spoken on the show, asking Mathers' character, ``What did she do to you, Beaver?'' as the Beav emerged from his teacher's classroom with a note to bring home to his parents. But the innocent, sheltered suburbia depicted on ``Leave It to Beaver'' was a far cry from the lifestyle Fafara assumed after the series ended its run. By his own account, he began drinking and doing drugs as a teenager and briefly lived in a house with members of the rock band Paul Revere and the Raiders. Sent off to live with his sister in Jamaica, he returned to Los Angeles at age 22 and started dealing drugs. By the early 1980s, he was breaking into pharmacies and was eventually sentenced to a year in jail for burglary. After his release, he worked a number of odd jobs and resumed drug dealing to support his habit. In and out of jail and rehab, he moved to Portland in the early 1990s hoping to get off drugs. But he ended up as a junkie living in a rented motel room, then the streets, before finally checking himself into a detox center in August 1995. Clean and sober since then, he moved into a halfway house for recovering addicts and alcoholics, then into a subsidized apartment on the edge of Skid Row, where he scraped by on Social Security checks until being hospitalized, Hallman said. Near the end of his life Fafara took some acting classes, but his aspirations to return to show business never gelled. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:46:44 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Why the Geffen set??? Bryan wrote: "The record company, except in a few cases, absolutely holds the legal right to manufacture and release or re-release recordings" That has always been my understanding, too. I would think that whatever Joni negotiated back in the early 80s for her Geffen contract would still apply today and would probably not be easily renegotiable. She is no longer under contract to them or I suppose to Reprise, either, at this point. Therefore she would not have much say in what direction Universal Music Group wants to take it. Universal would have also inherited her debit balance on the re-couping side so Joni may still be legally obligated to them financially and would have to cede to their business decisions in making a profit on the material they own. It also becomes apparent that Geffen/Universal probably cannot legally release any alternate or demo versions of any of her other songs that they do not own. So we are not going to see a good, comprehensive box set come out of Geffen/Universal at any rate. I am now wondering who owns the rights to most of her other songs - Reprise? You also wrote: " Anyway though, do you remember when the Geffen box set discussion started months ago? At some point after Joni, as she mentioned in some interview, contacted the company and reminded them that they have her Geffen cds in a vault and would they like to do something with them. So perhaps it was Joni who got the disk rolling, but the to-do-or-not-to-do decision belongs to the suits currently in charge, which do not include the free-man-in-paris himself, as I understand it." Someone else who has read the liner notes for this box set mentioned to me that Joni speaks about having wanted to get her masters back from Geffen for a long time. I hope Lama or someone gives us some excerpts - I'd like to hear what she says. I can imagine Joni getting the ball rolling but again, maybe it had something to do with re-couping and she might have thought this would be a good approach in sparking some renewed interest in the limited amount of Geffen songs. From what I've observed reading here over the years there ARE a number of her loyal fans who favor the Geffen songs the most. Their discussions have definitely inspired me to listen to them with new ears and I have grown to appreciate a lot of the music from that period. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:49:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: boxed set bummer > Mary P., > notorious tightwad (at least, about duplicative purchases). I'm hoping against hope that Costco will have it. Stranger things have happened. I actually found the 'Shadows and Light' dvd there! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:56:31 -0700 From: Frederick Woodruff Subject: Court And Spark art work (not!) Hi Everyone This is my first "entry" into the list. My name is Frederick and I live in Seattle Washington with my boyfriend and our two cats. I'm a web geek (designer and webmaster) and freelance music reviewer. My written features have appeared in the Honolulu Weekly, the Seattle Weekly, Salon.com and sundry other online and print publications. I'm also an abstract artist, painting out of our studio in Washington. I really love the idea of this list -- and I'm looking forward to some creative, revealing and lively exchanges. So, "hi!" and I'm glad I could make the party. There's several different topics I'd like to address (I've been trawling the list's archives for the last couple of hours -- spellbound and impressed with all of the opinions and viewpoints and knowledgeable posts -- what a dedicated and savvied fan base!) -- but first I've a comment --and then a request. Most likely this has been addressed here already, though without a "search" function to the list I'm not sure. Recently I repurchased a CD version of Court and Spark (probably my sixth investment, if you consider the years [wow] and the versions -- 8 track (no lie!!), cassette, vinyl, more vinyl, MORE vinyl and then finally the CD). What prompted my recent purchase was the sticker Warner Bros. had put on the jewelcase -- promising a remastered version of the album AND all the original art work from the project. Well, my heart jumped on both counts -- as my original copy of the CD had terrible high end distortion on the song Down To You -- making the song painful to listen to (when that distortion kicked in). And I was so pleased to hear that, indeed, the remastered version took care of that problem. What pissed me off though was the blatant lie regarding "original art work and album notes." Unless there was an error in the packaging, my new copy of CAS contained no such graphics. What's particularly ironic is the listed photo credit to Norman Seeff, when there's no photo to be found -- all Warners enclosed was the "cover" of the album as a fold over one-sheet, with a sloppy collection of credits (punctuation errors, etc.) -- AND THAT'S IT. There are no printed lyrics, as the vinyl record offered -- and worst, the fabulous, jazzy/glamorous Seeff near-profile shot of Joni, (that was such the perfect metaphor to match the mood and ethos of the record) is nowhere to be found in the "new" CD. Out of ire I almost called Warner Bros. the other day to lodge a complaint, but I thought I should post here and ask if, indeed, that's the consensus case with this remastered CD version -- or did I just a screwed up copy? If not, someone should take them to task for blatantly misleading the consumer. It sucks. My request is this: does anyone have a decent scan or jpeg of the Seeff photo from the vinyl version of CAS, and, if so, might they share a copy with me. Being the quintessential fanatic, I'd like to size it to fit the jewelbox and make a printed copy. Obviously I no longer have my vinyl LP copy -- that went,(regrettably now, when I think about it) at a "moving" garage sale, some years ago. My email address is zenpop@mindspring.com Thanks so much. Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:05:37 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts Bob wrote: > While that's true, there's a fear on my part that if it doesn't > move many units (and don't get me wrong, I hope that it's wildly > successful but can't fathom that it will be) then the hopes of getting > a REAL boxset will be dashed on the rocks, at least for a LOOOONG > time. Naw - all the good stuff is still over at Reprise! ;-) And now I'm getting the feeling Joni does have some plans up her sleeve for the *real,* knock em' out, vast compendium of rarities down the road. Of course, you know it going to come in a big old artsy box with lots of paintings and booklets and stuff, too, that will up the price by double. LOL I'll pay it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:30:01 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "The Lost Years" by Joni Mitchell This is the forward in THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS box set: - ------------------------------- THE LOST YEARS by Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------- It was Christmas. I was signing prints for Geffen's "A" list, when I was informed by an alarmed friend that my first two (Geffen) albums had been cut out. I called up the company president and I said, "You mean I'm sitting here, getting writer's cramp, giving you these signed lithos for nothing and you've dropped WILD THINGS RUN FAST and DOG EAT DOG?" I was demoralized. I made four albums for Geffen. For one reason or another, they were viewed as being out of sync with the '80s. But I was out of synch with the '80s. Thanks God! To be in sync with these times, in my opinion, was to be degenerating both morally and artistically. Materialism became a virtue; greed was "hip". You heard the word "victim" bandied about, but never the word "victimizer". It seemed like everyone was dressed in black everywhere. What were we mourning? When Geffen Records sold to MCA, they announced with pride, on the radio, all of the great and near great artists transferred in the deal. I was not mentioned. In '98, when the conglomerate possessing my masters merged with another conglomerate, PolyGram, again the roster was highlighted in the media and again I was not mentioned. When this "multiglomerate" announced its intentions to sell itself to France, I called the CEO and requested that he return my masters to me. "They're like an old pair of slippers at the back of your closet. They're just gathering dust. You don't even know they're there." He agreed that he didn't. "I know this is audacious," I said, "But you're not making any money off of them so, give 'em to me!" He passed me down to the president. For the last three years, I have been meeting with Universal representatives trying to get these records back on the street. So, here, sprung from the dungeons of Geffen Records after doing twelve years for failing to be wildly popular, are these four parolees. Much thanks to Mike Ragogna and Andy McKaie and Bruce Resnikoff and Jimmy Iovine- friends on the inside. Special thanks to David Geffen for the file in the cake. - ------------------------------- Now Lama again: Page 3 is now barely hanging on to the binder. The cardstock has stressed the glue too much during the time it took me to type in this essay. Very soon, it's going to end up like the loose cardstock in the BSN box, which MG called "trading cards". short-sighted businessmen nothin' lasts for long nothin' lasts for long nothin' lasts for long Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:32:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what instrument? njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Bob mentioned the piano was a percussion instrument. > Laura mentioned it was > also a string instrument. I like that it is both a > string and percussion. > > Question: I'm thinking of a instrument that also > belongs to two > categories, percussion and _________________ . > What is this instrument? Percussion and strings and a whole lot more - the guitar. > The first one to guest it right gets to make a wish. > Yes, but will it come true? > I like this instrument. > Moi aussi. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:34:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts NJC Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts --- kakki wrote: > Naw - all the good stuff is still over at Reprise! > ;-) And now I'm getting > the feeling Joni does have some plans up her sleeve > for the *real,* knock > em' out, vast compendium of rarities down the road. > Of course, you know it > going to come in a big old artsy box with lots of > paintings and booklets and > stuff, too, that will up the price by double. LOL > I'll pay it! This is the one we're all waiting for, fingers tapping idly, thumbs twiddling, all that sitting-around-waiting stuff. And I welcome the artwork too. I might even sacrifice a few bags of groceries for it because I can always send the cats out hunting for birds and squirrels for dinner. And God help them if they come back empty-handed (or empty-pawed, as the case may be) because I hear cat tastes just like chicken. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:01:22 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Re: what instrument? njc Hi Catherine... Marianne is in bed.. fast asleep..but I can tell you that IS NOT the right answer. She quizzed me earlier..and well..I'm not allowed to give the answer. Close though...not. Bree Bob mentioned the piano was a percussion instrument. > Laura mentioned it was > also a string instrument. I like that it is both a > string and percussion. > > Question: I'm thinking of a instrument that also > belongs to two > categories, percussion and _________________ . > What is this instrument? Percussion and strings and a whole lot more - the guitar. > The first one to guest it right gets to make a wish. > Yes, but will it come true? > I like this instrument. > Moi aussi. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:08:58 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR > And let's face it...the guy DID say "Chinese Laundry"! > Well, let's not confuse illiterate, ignorant, lazy or sloppy with stupid, eh Bob M ? Plus, the guy was probably just mixing metaphors - he meant to say Magdalene Cafe, I suspect. We've all done that from time to time, no ? And a few misspellings are good for the soul, too. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:11:07 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: test your Joni IQ <> Sue, do you mean David Crosby? I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember a quote from Joni in the David Crosby bio (Long Time Gone) where she says that David had mistakenly thought that the Dawntreader was about himself, though she does not reveal who the subject is. Does anybody else remember reading this? Perhaps a better lyric hint might be: "There's a man who's been out sailing, in a decade full of dreams, and he takes her to a schooner...." The trivia tents that you are making sound like a great idea! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:21:08 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Masterpiece > So I trust you'll all forgive me if I put > Chalk Mark back on the shelf, even those of you who think it's a > masterpiece. > > Cheers, > Richard > > Masterpiece ? Now there's a man who is probably not going to offend anyone. At least, I did not hear that word used by anyone else on the JMDL. Exaggeration for effect, perhaps ? :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:10:38 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: NJC Sept. 26th Thanks for all the birthday wishes. Looking forward to an Alabama getaway! Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:32:16 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 27 On September 27 the following articles were published: 1969: "Review of Clouds" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=554 1980: "Still Dark in the Tunnel" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=189 1980: "Switch to Mitchell -- and make it live" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=209 1998: "Joni Roars" - New York Daily News (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=222 2002: "Doonesbury" - Los Angeles Times (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=931 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #488 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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