From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #487 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 487 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Geffen Set ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Judgement of the Instruments NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Shane (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #300 [StDoherty@aol.com] bestowing validity (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Ken's PASSIONS (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: The Geffen Set and box sets generally [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Ken's PASSIONS (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Today's Library Links: Les and Joni! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Fw: Making $$$ off the BF njc (for AOL members) [Emiliano NJC [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: CMIAR [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: CMIAR ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts/now with NJC [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Sept. 26th [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] NJC Sept. 26th [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] THE BEATLES - LET IT BE...NAKED - PRESS RELEASE (NJC) [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The Geffen Set ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: The Geffen Set [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] [none] ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: The Geffen Set [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] FW: The Geffen Set ["Richard Flynn" ] Re:boxed set bummer [SMC1254@aol.com] RE: boxed set bummer ["Richard Flynn" ] linda w njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Hall and Oates and Simply Red (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] judgement of the Instruments (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:09:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Geffen Set well i have no interest in getting it...i didn't get bsn either...i did buy t'log however & gave several as christmas gifts cuz i really like it... speaking of christmas & the upcoming holidays, i think this is the reason this box set has been released... call me cynical but its all about $$$$ for this one ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:09:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Judgement of the Instruments NJC i consider piano both percussion & string...bass guitars are plucked but they are still stringed instruments... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:40:30 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Scrabble NJC GEORGE BUSH: When you rearrange the letters: HE BUGS GORE also O HE BUGGERS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:55:15 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Shane (njc) >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:32:54 -0600 >From: "Shane" >Subject: (No Subject) >bonjour >i discovered a young woman named rosie thomas >today and her album at tower records can be >sampled here (for instance, try 'charlotte')... >the uncanny joni like quality is unmistakable >and might just blow you away as it did me: >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2616173&used=y&urlid=cb8329723696ff6a97 >warm hello to all >shane Shane, you're back! Is that you, sea cowboy?" Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:02:18 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #300 In a message dated 9/26/2003 3:01:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: i'm truly sorry to feel this way, and i realize it's my own opinion, my own frustration at a great artist offering us pale comparisons of the work she used to make. but, damn, joni--i feel like i'm the kind of fan you say you WANT, the one who craves your newest work, not your old "greatest hits." if you're done with writing music, i understand and accept it (not really!)--enjoy your painting and your newfound life with a grandchild. you've given us so much! but for god's sake, quit it with the occasional bank-breaking re-issues. it feels like a con. - - -- emily, disheartened, in chicago Well put - this box set doesn't seem to really have a point for those of us with the collection already. Though it does have Dog Eat Dog ... love to hear what Joni has to say about that (for the record I'm truly a big fan of DED). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:02:59 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: bestowing validity (njc) >Likewise, glad to know somebody reads my posts (LOL) >thereby lending validity to my existence, such as it >is, and that there's also somebody that gets that kind >of goofball, sicko, humour too. When I do finally make >it to New York, I'd love to see the original artwork. ===== >Catherine Toronto You, Catherine, *THE* CATHERINE, Queen of Queens is HEREBY BESTOWED VALIDITY. . .(of your existence) on this September 26, 2003. (from a humble representative of the jmdl) (yet keeping in mind that we are all but a "chalk mark in a rain storm.") (been listening to that lately) from the forceps to the stone, Love Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:50:26 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Ken's PASSIONS (njc) Several members of the Joni fan community had expressed an interest in joining the Cooperative Press Association (writers group) that I'm affiliated with. Due to my recent AOL problems, I've lost all past e-mails that I received or sent (and neglected to put in my "address book".) As a result, I lost the e-mail addresses of a couple of people that showed an interest in participating. If you were one of those inquiring about joining or submitting to PASSIONS, please be advised that the deadline for the November issue is October 19th and contact me to let me know you're still interested. Thanks, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:52:00 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The Geffen Set and box sets generally In a message dated 26/09/2003 08:03:42 GMT Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << speaking of christmas &the upcoming holidays, i think this is the reason this box set has been released... >> Who knows? To this Joni-lover, pretty much everything after Taming The Tiger has been inexplicable or unlistenable. There is obviously much that fans would love from the period covered by this box set, like demo versions of the songs from DED, which for my money is the strongets of these four albums song-wise, and the most problematic sonically. Maybe the remastering will address this objection, though it'd be a minor miracle if DED ended up sounding less cluttered with modish synth sounds and extraneous noises. I share Emily's exasperation at the building sequence of releases of old, lavishly-packaged material from Joni. I have bought a number of box sets over the years: a Marvin Gaye one which was a huge missed opportunity, being appallingly sequenced and weighted to some distinctly ordinary early material, to back up the compiler's aim of showing that Marvin was the ultimate ballad singer (a pretty hard claim to support if you've ever heard Got To Give It Up!). Whoever compiles Bob Dylan's box sets has got the right idea: Biograph and the Bootleg Series are absolutely superb, full of unreleased material (that is actually worth hearing) and informative notes. Bob Marley's Songs Of Freedom is also pretty good, with a lot of early material that I'm sure most people buying it will never have heard. Sandy Denny's Who Knows Where The Time Goes could probably have been done better but is so full of beautiful music that you don't really care. I think the best box set I have is David Bowie's Sound & Vision. It is *exquisitely* packaged; the running order is chronological and has been chosen with real thought; and there is a generous smattering of rare stuff, including a few pearls that Bowiephiles would have been searching for for years (in my case, this would be things like the original versions of The Prettiest Star and Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud, the demo of Space Oddity, the ultra-rare cover of Bruce Springsteen's It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City). Crazily, this set was not given a proper release in this country, if I remember rightly - I'm almost certain I had to order it on import. I had an alternative user name on AOL for a short while, after the collectors edition of Both Sides Now came out: boxsetripoff. Azeem in London NP: Lucinda Williams - World Without Tears. Lucinda raps!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:57:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Ken's PASSIONS (njc) In a message dated 9/26/2003 7:51:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, PassScribe@aol.com writes: If you were one of those inquiring about joining or submitting to PASSIONS, please be advised that the deadline for the November issue is October 19th Does Elizabeth Taylor have anything to do with this Kenny? :~) Happy Friday Everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:14:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: Les and Joni! << On September 26 the following articles were published: 1997: "Pass the Salt, Please" - JMDL (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=171 >> If you've never read this article, check it out! Joni meets Les for lunch! Les writes: Meeting Joni was an experience I never dreamed I would have. When I started the Joni Mitchell Discussion List out of sheer necessity nine months earlier it had not even entered my mind that this would have been possible. Yet here I was, about to share a lunch with arguably the greatest singer-songwriter of all time b a woman whose music I had admired and studied for 25 years. I sat at the table across from Joni, joined by two long-time friends of hers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:57:39 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Making $$$ off the BF njc (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; ; Enviado: viernes, 26 de septiembre de 2003 7:55 Asunto: RE: Making $$$ off the BF njc > excuse me, but i would like the subject line to be changed to making $$$ > *FOR* the BF. donations welcome. > > wally, just back from the opera, where a little girl in the children's choir > fainted during a scene in parsifal and cracked her head open onstage. the > things an opera house has to do to keep attendance high! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:19:46 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Geffen Set > Why? Because his opinion doesn't happen to agree with > yours? Naw, he's welcome to his opinion, and I'm happy that CMIARS thrills him so. But it's miles away from brilliant, especially when judged on Joni's own scale. Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner" 10/1/82 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:26:42 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: The genius of The Onion njc http://www.theonion.com/3937/top_story.html OK, so let me get this straight: this is *satire*, right, and bears no relation to any attitudes that may be held - overtly or covertly - by any person or persons involved in the government of any large western nations - right? Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - Black Country Rock (from that Sound & Vision box set) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:27:45 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR > Their mistake, not mine. Anybody who'd call CMIARS brilliant ain't > real bright. > > No tickee, no shirtee. > > Bob > > ANYBODY ? Would that include JM ? Or, let us say, MOI ? ;-) (Of course, I think almost everything she released as new material was brilliant, as well as some of the 'not new' other stuff). Does that make it among my favorite 50% of Joni's catalogue? No. Is there not even the slightest hint of a nagging doubt that perhaps one who does not recognize the brilliance contained within CMIARS may be missing something ? Here's a suggestion that I proposed to Jenny at the fest. Let's see if some JMDLer's could take it upon themselves to perform an ensemble medley of Lakota and Tea Leaf Prophecy at the next fest, attempting to replicate what Joni did on her recording. Of course, it would take a lot of work from an arranger/conductor, and probably about 8 - 12 performers. But I suspect that if that were done, and done well, that there might be a lot more respect for the work done on CMIARS by those who hold it in low esteem here. Best always (and no offense intended really, Bob M), ' Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:33:52 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Doonesbury and Joni and Geffen > * See also: > http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20020928& > uc_comic=db&uc_daction=X > It's a Doonesbury strip with Joni and Geffen content! (Thanks to Lori!) Just so that you all know, the lead in to that strip came from the day before - - so, when you click on the link, look at the calendar on the bottom and click on 9/27/2002 if you want to see the previous day's strip Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:40:18 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Getting THOSL Stephen writes: > Keep with it Mack. Took me months to get/like it. It's so unique and > amazing. The tracks that grabbed me first were: 'Harry's House/Centerpiece', > 'The Hissing Of Summer Lawns', 'Edith & The Kingpin' and 'Shades Of Scarlet > Conquering'. I now love them all! Took me 25 years. The only ones that grabbed me at first were the first two - -IFTKOMS and Jungle Line. Now, I especially love THOSL, Edith, Boho and Harry's House. Like Bob M suggested, maybe I'm not too brilliant ;-) (Or maybe I'm brilliant like the tortoise ;-) ) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:03:46 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Robert Palmer RIP njc I was really startled to read that Robert Palmer has died. Somehow, with some people, it's not a shock, either because they have been ill or have led notoriously dissolute lives, or both. But Robert Palmer, who once described himself as "a boring old muso", didn't seem to fit that mould. He was only 54. Most people will have known him for Addicted to Love, and more particularly its unforgettably lascivious video. One commentator (Don Letts) suggested that the video was a brilliant smokescreen to draw attention away from "a singer who has to spend every waking hour hanging on a mic stand" - and I don't think Palmer would have argued with that. Anyway, there was a lot more to the man than that slice of arrant sexism. I think he was a really great and vastly underrated singer, as well as a witty and idiosyncratic songwriter. For his singing chops, check out his version of Marvin Gaye's I Want You, which took a certain amount of flak for its perceived "blue-eyed soul" pretensions - most of us will just hear a man singing his guts out and nailing the desperation of the song. Then there's his lovely rendition of It Could Happen To You, where he showed how beautifully he could croon. He wrote some terrific songs; one of my favourite lines of his was from Change His Ways: "She had a dimple in her favour" - I love that! And he could write songs that sounded like standards, such as She Makes My Day and Happiness. He wasn't consistent, even within records: his 1990 double album Don't Explain opened with three outright duds, a so-so version of Dreams To Remember, followed by another dud. So, that's Side 1 sorted then! However, from that moment on it's high quality and stylistic diversity all the way. I'm sorry he's gone. Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - White Light White Heat (with hilariously in-the-wrong-key solo from Mick Ronson) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:04:12 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts > This new box is just another option; no one is being > force-fed here. While that's true, there's a fear on my part that if it doesn't move many units (and don't get me wrong, I hope that it's wildly successful but can't fathom that it will be) then the hopes of getting a REAL boxset will be dashed on the rocks, at least for a LOOOONG time. Also...let's face it, as Emily stated this collection is definitely aimed at US, Joni's loyal & hardcore fans. To be forced to belly up to the tune of $45-55 (or $75 Canadian - YIKES!) for three new tracks (none of which are "new" songs technically) from what MOST fans consider her weakest period, seems a bit exploitative. Additionally... Because Joni is such an emotional artist for us, I think we feel compelled to support her projects, or projects in which she is involved, whether they were her idea or not. (But from what I've been able to discern about Joni's control over her released work it's awfully hard to imagine that she has no power over what the suits choose to do with her recordings). Like going to see the neighbor's kid in the school play, we pretty much know going into it what we're going to get but do it anyway so we can maintain the relationship. This is the kind of project that encourages Kazaa/Grokster etc. users to download rather than purchase. On the other hand, maybe we're not the target for this collection. Like Steely Dan's Citizen Dan (which captured their complete catalog in a 4-cd box & included 2 bonus tracks) maybe they're just trying to woo those who haven't as yet bought these on CD (I'll refrain from using the word 'upgrade' out of respect for the audiophiles). BUT given that they have been out on CD for a while now, I seriously doubt that there are many Joni fans who have been 'on the fence' in regards to Joni's Geffen releases. Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "It Ain't That Pretty At All" 10/1/82 PS: Thanks Jim for your Speechless essay, I enjoyed seeing all of that info compiled in one place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:08:47 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Robert Palmer RIP> NJC Just heard Robert Palmer died of a heart attack last night in Paris at the age of 54. Another sad day. You know I always loved "Going To California" most and didn't learn until the 90's that it was about Joni. Peace Mings ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:11:17 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR > Best always (and no offense intended really, Bob M), Of course none taken my friend...I was a bit too flippant with my comment and apologize to both the reviewer & to both of you CMIARS fans out there! ;~) And let's face it...the guy DID say "Chinese Laundry"! Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "Stand In The Fire" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:20:01 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: CMIAR My problem with it and, therefore, why I don' t like it is that I CAN'T HEAR JONI. mack np: song to a seagull-our joan finally after days off I will throw off those stay at home shoes and escape the insanity of people of recovery. damn. no offense intended. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:41:36 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts/now with NJC In a message dated 9/26/2003 9:05:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: On the other hand, maybe we're not the target for this collection. Like Steely Dan's Citizen Dan (which captured their complete catalog in a 4-cd box & included 2 bonus tracks) maybe they're just trying to woo those who haven't as yet bought these on CD (I'll refrain from using the word 'upgrade' out of respect for the audiophiles). I just picked up Citizen Dan the box set a week ago. I had most of the stuff on CD already, but they were those horrible MCA releases that had no liner notes, just the cover art, and the sound was so horribly compressed that I never listened to them. The remstering on this box set is certainly an incredible improvement. Comparitively, my CDs of the Joni geffen stuff are pretty listenable as they are, and this box set will have to be a birthday present (nov. 6, hours before joni's) I had a dream last night that i saw the box set in a record store and it was in a 2 foot long box with an olive colored ribbon and bow on it (i guess we do dream in color) and inside, it was like a big scrap book on hand made paper with all kinds of poetry written in Joni's own hand. And even in the dream, I didn't buy it. lol ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:44:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc Wow, that's a shocker. Not a huge fan, but who didn't love his take on Moon Martin's "A Bad Case of Loving You", "Addicted To Love", and my fave recording "I didn't mean to turn you on" with those videos. And Mingus, as far as I know Robert PLANT from Led Zep is alive & well. Bob NP: Warren, "Poor Poor Pitiful Me" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:54:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Sept. 26th wally......Wally........WAAAALLLLY {{{{ WAKE UP }}}}}} Well, it appears that Wally had too much fun at the opera last night and he decided to sleep in (along with the Birthday). That or he's playing with his Johnson. AND speaking of Johnsons..............lets everybody put their carrot piccolos together to play "Happy Fucking Birthday" to V I C T O R J O H N S O N Have a great one Victor, and sing your heart out all weekend! Jimmy (without any gossamer wings) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:54:50 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc I feel totaly stupid on my hasty reply but I just woke up, sorry. Thanks for the heads up> Speak before you think, must be the Irish blood:~) Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:00:28 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc > I feel totaly stupid on my hasty reply but I just woke up, sorry. Thanks for > the heads up> Speak before you think, must be the Irish blood:~) That's okay...you must of been thinking in the back of your head that John Bonham died on Sept.25 in 1980 which put Led Zeppelin in your head and...... Victor NP: Ozzy Osbourne "Flying High Again" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:03:33 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc In a message dated 26/09/2003 14:45:17 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << but who didn't love his take on Moon Martin's "A Bad Case of Loving You" >> Hey, that's a great one Bob, thanks for reminding me! When I was in a band at university, we had a go at that song in rehearsal, and I realised pretty quickly what a mighty performance I was trying to emulate; the song never made it into our live set! Azeem NP: Robert Palmer - Aeroplane (another original song that sounds like an undiscovered gem from the 40s) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:06:58 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts ) maybe they're just trying > to woo those who haven't as yet bought these on CD (I'll refrain > from using the word 'upgrade' out of respect for the audiophiles). > BUT given that they have been out on CD for a while now, I seriously > doubt that there are many Joni fans who have been 'on the fence' in > regards to Joni's Geffen releases. What they SHOULD have done is what David Bowie, Iron Maiden, and others have done...put out remastered, repackaged new editions individually, each containing two or three bonus tracks at the end. It almost seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot, treating Joni like some princess who lives in a castle with brown tenemant walls...almost like they don't really expect it to sell a whole lot except to a select few so they'll milk those few people for all they can get instead of just treating her like any other successful artist... Also, it seems that they make no effort at all to reach a younger generation of fans but are appealing only to the longtime, diehard fans. Victor NP: Ozzy Osbourne "You Can't Kill Rock 'n Roll" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:10:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc > Hey, that's a great one Bob, thanks for reminding me! My pleasure...actually I see the song pop up every time I go searching for recordings of "A Case Of You"! :~) Bob NP: Zwan, "Honestly" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:11:11 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: box set bummer, some random thoughts In a message dated 26/09/2003 15:07:48 GMT Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > What they SHOULD have done is what David Bowie, Iron Maiden, and others > have done And who'd have thought that David Bowie, Joni Mitchell and Iron Maiden would ever be mentioned in the same sentence?! :-D Azeem in London NP: Robet Palmer - Not A Word ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:14:02 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Geffen Set > Naw, he's welcome to his opinion, and I'm happy that CMIARS > thrills him so. But it's miles away from brilliant, especially > when judged on Joni's own scale. > In *your* opinion. There might even be one or two people on the JMDL who think CMIARS is brilliant. I'm glad you don't think any or all of them are 'not too bright'. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:14:39 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] NJC Sept. 26th Hey Victor, A "Happy Birthday" to you fom me and Rolls. I hope someone sings to you today as beautiful as your CD that I've been playing over and over. Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:15:29 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: THE BEATLES - LET IT BE...NAKED - PRESS RELEASE (NJC) FYI all you Beatle nuts! APPLE CORPS PRESS OFFICE Tel 0207 761 9600 Tel 01380 860 169 Tel 07966 473 919 PRESS RELEASE: EMBARGOED 8.00 AM GMT SEPT.18TH AT LAST AS NATURE INTENDED THE BEATLES' LET IT BE...NAKED At last revealed - The Beatles album that has taken more than 30 years to finish, Let It Be...Naked, just the bare sound of the band inside The Beatles. Let It Be...Naked is the no frills, back-to-basics album that The Beatles first set out to make back in 1969 - but which was never released as they intended, the band back to the bone. Now, through the smart digital technology of Abbey Road studios, the never-heard band's take of the original sessions will be finally released worldwide by EMI Records in November. Naked is Let It Be brought right up to now for the '1 Generation', de-mixed and re-mixed, un-dubbed of orchestration, choirs and effects and stripped-back to the raw to reveal The Beatles simply as what they were very best at being - just a great band. "If we'd have had today's technology back then, it would sound like this because this is the noise we made in the studio", said Paul McCartney "It's all exactly as it was in the room. You're right there now". "This is the first time we've ever messed around with the original Beatle product", said Ringo Starr. "When I first heard it, it was really uplifting; it took you back again to the times when we were this band, the Beatle band". When The Beatles first set out to make the album in 1969, they intended to record an album that would be a return to live performance of just the bare necessities of the band, no studio effects or overdubbing of voices or instruments would be allowed. However, caught in the turmoil of the break-up of the band, the album was re-produced by Phil Spector and never released as The Beatles had originally meant it to sound. Until now. Let It Be...Naked's track listing differs from the 1970 release; background dialogue, 'Dig It' and 'Maggie Mae' have been taken off the album and 'Don't Let Me Down' has been added to the running order, which now is as follows: Get Back, Dig A Pony, For You Blue, The Long And Winding Road, Two Of Us, I've Got A Feeling, One After 909, Don't Let Me Down, I Me Mine, Across The Universe, Let It Be. Let It Be...Naked will be issued together with a bonus fly-on-the-wall disc that features extracts from tapes of The Beatles at the time of first making the Let It Be album and movie in the Sixties. The 20-minute bonus disc is a unique insight into of The Beatles at work in rehearsal and in the studios in January 1969. Let It Be...Naked will also come with a booklet that features historic photography of the recording sessions and extracts of band dialogue from the original booklet that first accompanied early copies of the 1970 album. Released worldwide from November 17th (November 18, in the U.S.), Let It Be...Naked is the sound of The Beatles as nature intended; raw and rocking. "The music always surpassed any bullshit we were going through; once the count-in happened we turned back into those brothers and musicians." RINGO STARR "It's just us playing, in our best voices, it's very honest". GEORGE HARRISON "For all our success The Beatles were always a great little band. When we sat down to play, we played good". PAUL McCARTNEY "In spite of all things, The Beatles could really play music together" JOHN LENNON Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (rly-xb02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.103]) by air-xb04.mail.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXB41-943f73fb1b282; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:39:34 -0400 Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB28-943f73fb1b282; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:38:55 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1097115-39978-1064565465-michaelpaz=aol.com@ret urns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2003 08:37:46 -0000 X-Sender: blenni@ameritech.net X-Apparently-To: lee-shore@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47642 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 08:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 08:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.11.34) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 08:37:44 -0000 Received: from adsl-65-43-163-99.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net (HELO c2zny01) (blenni@ameritech.net@65.43.163.99 with login) by smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 08:37:43 -0000 To: Message-ID: <002301c38409$6fc5ec40$0100a8c0@c2zny01> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Brian Lenni" X-Yahoo-Profile: blenni_44134 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lee-shore@yahoogroups.com; contact lee-shore-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lee-shore@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:37:34 -0400 Subject: THE BEATLES - LET IT BE...NAKED - PRESS RELEASE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.76 A Photo of the cover is in the files section. The attached press release has been serviced to the media. APPLE CORPS PRESS OFFICE Tel 0207 761 9600 Tel 01380 860 169 Tel 07966 473 919 PRESS RELEASE: EMBARGOED 8.00 AM GMT SEPT.18TH AT LAST AS NATURE INTENDED THE BEATLES' LET IT BE...NAKED At last revealed - The Beatles album that has taken more than 30 years to finish, Let It Be...Naked, just the bare sound of the band inside The Beatles. Let It Be...Naked is the no frills, back-to-basics album that The Beatles first set out to make back in 1969 - but which was never released as they intended, the band back to the bone. Now, through the smart digital technology of Abbey Road studios, the never-heard band's take of the original sessions will be finally released worldwide by EMI Records in November. Naked is Let It Be brought right up to now for the '1 Generation', de-mixed and re-mixed, un-dubbed of orchestration, choirs and effects and stripped-back to the raw to reveal The Beatles simply as what they were very best at being - just a great band. "If we'd have had today's technology back then, it would sound like this because this is the noise we made in the studio", said Paul McCartney "It's all exactly as it was in the room. You're right there now". "This is the first time we've ever messed around with the original Beatle product", said Ringo Starr. "When I first heard it, it was really uplifting; it took you back again to the times when we were this band, the Beatle band". When The Beatles first set out to make the album in 1969, they intended to record an album that would be a return to live performance of just the bare necessities of the band, no studio effects or overdubbing of voices or instruments would be allowed. However, caught in the turmoil of the break-up of the band, the album was re-produced by Phil Spector and never released as The Beatles had originally meant it to sound. Until now. Let It Be...Naked's track listing differs from the 1970 release; background dialogue, 'Dig It' and 'Maggie Mae' have been taken off the album and 'Don't Let Me Down' has been added to the running order, which now is as follows: Get Back, Dig A Pony, For You Blue, The Long And Winding Road, Two Of Us, I've Got A Feeling, One After 909, Don't Let Me Down, I Me Mine, Across The Universe, Let It Be. Let It Be...Naked will be issued together with a bonus fly-on-the-wall disc that features extracts from tapes of The Beatles at the time of first making the Let It Be album and movie in the Sixties. The 20-minute bonus disc is a unique insight into of The Beatles at work in rehearsal and in the studios in January 1969. Let It Be...Naked will also come with a booklet that features historic photography of the recording sessions and extracts of band dialogue from the original booklet that first accompanied early copies of the 1970 album. Released worldwide from November 17th (November 18, in the U.S.), Let It Be...Naked is the sound of The Beatles as nature intended; raw and rocking. "The music always surpassed any bullshit we were going through; once the count-in happened we turned back into those brothers and musicians." RINGO STARR "It's just us playing, in our best voices, it's very honest". GEORGE HARRISON "For all our success The Beatles were always a great little band. When we sat down to play, we played good". PAUL McCARTNEY "In spite of all things, The Beatles could really play music together" JOHN LENNON - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Click Here! Click Here! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:19:52 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc Maybe Jimmy has a picture of him and Ed as the Palmer Girls from Holloween that he could post for everyones delight:~) Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:32:18 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Palmer RIP njc In a message dated 9/26/2003 10:19:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MINGSDANCE writes: > Maybe Jimmy has a picture of him and Ed as the Palmer Girls from Holloween > that he could post for everyones delight:~) > LOL Ming, I'll find that pic, scan it, and post it to the fest list. Gawd I forgot all about that. That was about 15 yrs ago!!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:36:24 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: The Geffen Set > In *your* opinion. There might even be one or two people on the JMDL > who think CMIARS is brilliant. I'm glad you don't think any or all of > them are 'not too bright'. You mean, Bob Muller's words are not absolute fact and carved into stone? This can not be. Surely you do not mean that is only his opinion. My illusions have been painfully shattered. Victor, loyal member and acolyte of the church of the Mighty Cover King, Bob Muller NP: Ozzy Osbourne "I Don't Know" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: The Geffen Set Quoting Victor Johnson : > You mean, Bob Muller's words are not absolute fact and carved into > stone? > This can not be. Surely you do not mean that is only his opinion. My > illusions have been painfully shattered. Muller? Opinionated? Na-a-a-a-a-a-a-h! Hey. That's why we love him! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:09:28 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: [none] So sorry about the lack of the NJC tag. I was so sure I put that in there >but got distracted at my desk and sent it off without the tag! > >Thanks so much for sharing that information Laurent. I did not know how >things actually began. I also want to applaud all of the list members who >are able to state their differing opinions so eloquently and respectfully. >It gives me a chance to see all sides of the issue. > >I don't mean to be blind to things, but I have always had such a love and >respect for the Old Testament and for Israel. I love all people of all >nationalities and I know that no one is perfect, but Israel holds a special >place for me. (England comes in second) > >A coworker of mine just told me that a big holiday of his is coming up-Rosh >Hashana. Could you tell me what that is? > >Sherelle > > > >From: "Laurent Olszer" > >Reply-To: "Laurent Olszer" > >To: "Sherelle Smith" > >CC: > >Subject: Re: State assasination of Arafat > >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:46:47 +0100 > > > >I do have to say that I agree with you that Israel > > > always seems to be held to a higher standard by the rest of the world. > >It > > > has always puzzled me. I didn't realize that they also held themselves > >to > >a > > > higher standard. I think I have to take a chance to step forward and say > > > that I totally agree with your comments. > > > > > > Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:11:30 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Geffen Set > My > illusions have been painfully shattered. And on your birthday no less! Hope your special day survives the crushing blow Victor...for alas, I am mere mortal, flawed as any. (And more opinionated than most!):~) Hope your day is a knockout - I'll spin "Parsonage Lane" tonight in your honor! Bob NP: Zwan, "Yeah!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:16:13 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: FW: The Geffen Set - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:15 AM To: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: RE: The Geffen Set I know I was supposed to listen to _Mingus_ again and comment, but I have to work, & so won't be listening to it till alter in the weekend. But I did play the non-box-set version of CMIAR, which I haven't listened to in a long time, and have to say that I think it's still mostly a turkey, with a few good moments, the best of which are non-Joni songs, cowboy classic "Cool Water" and the cover of "Corrina, Corrina." "Beat of Black Wings" is also lovely, but isn't that already remastered on _Misses_? I really hated that synth sound in the 80s and I still hate it, but not as violently because now it seems quaint and historical. "Dancin' Clown," however, never will have even that faint charm. Of the 4 in the set, DED is the only one I don't have on CD--but for the time being, my vinyl will do. If I could only get the Dylan cover without spending 45-50 bucks, I'd be happy. As CMIAR was concluding, the mailman arrived with the new Emmylou, the new Rodney Crowell, and the super great sounding (if "Blood on the Tracks" is any indication) Dylan remasters of "Highway 61," "Bringin' it All Back Home." and "Blonde on Blonde." So I trust you'll all forgive me if I put Chalk Mark back on the shelf, even those of you who think it's a masterpiece. Cheers, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Johnson [mailto:waytoblu@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:36 PM > To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org; Mark or > Travis > Subject: Re: The Geffen Set > > > > In *your* opinion. There might even be one or two people on the JMDL > > who think CMIARS is brilliant. I'm glad you don't think any or all of > > them are 'not too bright'. > > You mean, Bob Muller's words are not absolute fact and carved into stone? > This can not be. Surely you do not mean that is only his opinion. My > illusions have been painfully shattered. > > Victor, loyal member and acolyte of the church of the Mighty Cover King, > Bob Muller > > NP: Ozzy Osbourne "I Don't Know" > > > > > Victor Johnson > New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now > Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville > http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:29:06 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re:boxed set bummer I disagree with you but respect your opinion. I think Joni explains why she released these disks on the first page of the booklet - quite eloquently. Also, I wholeheartedly disagree with you in regards to your feelings about Travelogue - I find this an amazing accomplishment that many just don't seem to get...many do though and that is the great thing about having an opinion. Thanks, Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:35:53 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: boxed set bummer How about a taste of that eloquence for those of us who don't plan to buy the box? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > SMC1254@aol.com > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:29 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re:boxed set bummer > > > I disagree with you but respect your opinion. I think Joni > explains why she > released these disks on the first page of the booklet - quite > eloquently. Also, > I wholeheartedly disagree with you in regards to your feelings about > Travelogue - I find this an amazing accomplishment that many just > don't seem to > get...many do though and that is the great thing about having an opinion. > Thanks, > Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:25:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: linda w njc > Azeem in London NP: Lucinda Williams - World Without Tears. Lucinda raps!! < i know & that song breaks my heart... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:23:47 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Hall and Oates and Simply Red (njc) We had a thread a few days ago about Hall and Oates and I was wondering if anyone has heard Simply Red's new song "Sunrise". It is based partly on a bass rift from Hall and Oates, "I Can't Go For That". Normally, I have mixed feelings about sampling, but I really like this one because the melody is totally different and it has a real grove to it. It's very interestingly done. I was just curious. Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:09:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Sept. 26th it is true! i overslept! sorry, victor... let me wish you a super happy birthday!!! love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > FMYFL@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 26 de Septiembre de 2003 10:54 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > Asunto: NJC Sept. 26th > > > wally......Wally........WAAAALLLLY {{{{ WAKE UP }}}}}} > > > Well, it appears that Wally had too much fun at the opera last > night ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:10:33 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: judgement of the Instruments (njc) Okay guys, I'll settle this. I"m going IN! (with a bow) Marianne Bob said: >Yes, the piano is technically a percussion instrument. >Most folks aren't aware of that. Laura said: >>It's also a string instrument. Bob replies: >Only if you crawl inside and run a bow over the strings. Never >seen anyone do that, nope I haven't. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:36:23 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Judgement of the Moon and Stars Scott and Laura, So very well said. .. . . . and the line, "c'mon, you've got to try" is just that one more encouraging push to STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, even when they, "aim the hoses at you." And they will. And they do. Joni, This song has given me such strength in times of trouble. . .*THANK YOU* so much for giving me strength in times of trouble, ie. . . times of trouble in my quest for land preservation. . . . and times of trouble in my difficult life of teaching in an urban school district. Just last week, this song once again inspired me, in a time of need.. . . and I played the song over and over again. you've got to try, Marianne Laura writes: >I was listening the the Judgement of the Moon and Stars and was >really moved by the imagery of the movement of the piano keys being only >the >surface expression of what goes on with much more power inside the piano. >I >hadn't really thought much about how inside it is really hammering, >forcefully moving >the strings to vibrate, and how what the pianist does to the keys is sort >of >just the opposite of that... like her fingers are moving superficially to >express the incredible array of fireworks (emotions) going on in her >nervous >system. Paradoxes, parallels, all kinds of geometry. Awesome song. >Lightening across the sky, Scott writes: >Agreed. It's incredibly powerful. Musically stunning with lyrics conjuring >vivid images. A huge song which anchors the exquisite album FTR and leaves >me breathless. But most of all it has always seemed Joni captured what I >was feeling and thinking. >"Ludwig" begins somberly which matches feelings of despair and >introspection, then builds to an emotional climax when Joni nearly screams >"get on with it!" The admonishments to "shake your fists" and "you've got >to roar" and "Jesus well then you yell it" have served me well many times, >even if used with restraint. It's about taking charge, about making >*yourself* better. I take it quite literally as words to live by. The flow >of the musical structure and all the layering makes the whole all the more >moving. >Awesome, indeed. _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Stoned Soul Picnic/Laura NJC Sorry I know this involves a very limited number of listers here but here it is anyway ... Hi, I have been meaning to write about this all week but as usual I am running behind the times and am a bit preoccupied. Last weekend I went to see the Laura Nyro tribute show. This was at the same wonderful cabaret we all experienced at the Mini Chicago Jonifest in February or March - whatever. ANYONE who is in any proximity to this cabaret should get there ANY night - but especially to see this show. I met Anne Smith-Sheridan of the Joni show up at the bar beforehand - quite by accident and our lurking lister Rob Lindley joined up soon after. Not only do I love them cause they love the Jonester and that they are talented - but they are so much FUN!! And yes there was a little Ethel injected into the night - again. The show was simply joyous! Damn sounds like some nun wrote that - but it was! - My heart swelled. Even though I have been playing tons of Laura lately - due to my hot vinyl finds this summer - it still moved me to tears of joy. Each of the 4 women, but especially Allison captured Laura and expressed her in their own interpretation but always with the soul of Laura echoing throughout the room. Some of the songs included in the show are And When I Die, Wedding Bell Blues, Sweet Blindness, Stone Soul Picnic, Poverty Train, Save the Country, Time & Love, New York Tendaberry, Jimmy Mack, I Met Him On A Sunday and several others. I would love to go back tonite - especially cause I just love Davenports!!! However I have another engagement. I encourage anyone in the Chicago area or even further to be impulsive and get down here or up here for this show. Those who were at the Joni gig know how much fun these people are and there is always some fesitve singing afterwards. I enclosed Robs email and Allisons for instruction and further encouragement. Also just to note, last week a group of online Laura fans came - flying in from all over to be there AND Sy Coleman (Witchcraft, Sweet Charity etc) came to the show, apparently his wife Shelby - yes we met, is a huge Laura fan. Afterwards Sy and Shelby hung out in the bar and were most gracious and supportive and mingled about. There had been a rumor earlier in the week that Laura's dad and dautghter may be attending. I don't think that happend as they were never introduced but maybe tonight - who knows. If you cant make it tonight - check out the run of the show and get yourself there. Sorry again this is soo last minute "Chicagoland Jonifans who love Laura too!" Peace, Susan ROB wrote: Hey Everybody - I'm passing this great deal on to you from Allison Bazarko - one of the rocking ladies from Foiled Again. The show she is currently starring in at Davenport's is offering 2 for 1 cover charges tonight for their 10:30 show. It's is truly one of the best cabaret shows I have ever EVER seen. Go check it out - it's worth the money and the two drinks - I promise. I found myself buying a Laura Nyro CD this week because I wanted more - and I think I'm gonna try and make it to the show tonight. All the info you need follows. Best Rob That's right, everybody!!!!!!!We are offering 2 for 1 covers for Stoned Soul Picnic: The Music of Laura Nyro tonight!!!!!!!!Here's the info.....Stoned Soul Picnic: The Music of Laura NyroDavenports Piano Bar & Cabaret1383 N. Milwaukee Ave.Chicago, IL 60622Show begins at 10:30 pm$22/cover + 2 drink minimum(773)278-1830Call for reservations and mention that Allison is giving you a 2 for 1 cover price!Hope to see you all there!Whoo Hoo!!!!!allison The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #487 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)