From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #486 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 486 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: box set bummer ["kakki" ] Re: box set bummer ["kakki" ] Re: Making $$$ off the BF [David Sadowski ] COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS, now in stores [] Re: Making $$$ off the BF njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Speechless [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Making $$$ off the BF njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: box set bummer [Catherine McKay ] Re: box set bummer [] (No Subject) ["Shane" ] RE: Making $$$ off the BF njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today's Library Links: September 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:54:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: box set bummer Catherine wrote: > I wonder if it was her idea or someone else's? I I seriously don't understand why so many of you all blame Joni personally for this stuff. These types of products come from record company business and marketing decisions. I only have a rough idea of how song licensing and record contracts work (where's Brenda?!) but I'm pretty sure Joni has very little to do with what they release, etc., except for maybe adding her two cents on the artistic side and liner notes (which she should do). She has no power or input into how much they charge or whether or not to release stuff. Many artists have released box sets for years and I have spent much more for some of them. I agree that a Joni box set should include a whole bunch of demos and previously unreleased material. Why she can't get them to do that, I don't know, but I also don't know that she has all the say in it, either. It would be a good interview question for her, though. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:58:17 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: box set bummer Mark wrote: > That being said, I'm wondering how much of this release has to do with > Joni and how much has to do with Geffen? Geffen was bought by MCA - now Universal Music Group - back in around 1990-91. UMG is currenly the biggest record company in the world. I guess one would expect a more big business approach than a "catered to her oldest fans" approach with them. Maybe she should go to Rhino Records for the REAL boxset! Rhino has put out some incredible rare gems over the years. Maybe she is holding out for that! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:01:36 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Making $$$ off the BF Around 1980, I tried to send Charles Addams a cartoon idea, but it naturally got rejected by The New Yorker (via a form letter, I recall). The joke wasn't very good. There is a sign on the front door of a funeral parlor... it says, "No shoes, No shirt, No service." AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: >Catherine wrote: > ><Family cartoons (was his name Addams by any chance?>> > >Since I am so behind, this has probably already been answered already, but >Charles Addams, (Chas) who created the Addams family, is my FAVORITE artist. I >have loved his work since I was really little, and love his macabre sense of >humor. > >My favorite Charles Addams memory is when I went to New York to meet fellow >JMDLer Kenny Grant for the first time. (Rest in peace, dear friend.) I told him >we could do anything he wanted in New York, but I HAD to go to the New York >public library to see the Charles Addams originals. (They have a revolving >permanent exhibit.) He literally took me directly there from the airport when I >arrived, and I spent a very long time gazing into the original watercolors that >I had only previously seen in black and white in a book. > >Hugs, >Ashara, missing Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:04:28 -0400 From: Subject: COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS, now in stores I know I'm gonna catch a bunch of flak for this but... DOG EAT DOG is vastly easier to listen to in this incarnation. There are so many layers, textures, sound effects, and percussion parts on this record that the old, pinched CD sound was a crime. Old version of the title track at 2m: 37s >> cccccdogeatdogccccccccccccccccc >> cccccyelldowellindishdddahccccc >> andcccracketeerscscscscsc New version: BASHHHhhhss.. ...... BASHHHhhhss.. .....2:35 "dog... dog..." ...... "It's.. dog.. eat.. dog." ...... "dog... dog..." ..... "YOU'LL DO" "well in this land of snakebite evangelists and racketeers." "You could get to be.." "a bigwig!" "FINANCIER!" ...... BASHHHhhhss.. ...... Unlike my old cd value-line copy, this one has some dynamics. It gets loud then has quiet spaces. Some lines are very processed and others are totally dry, lending a blurring to the difference between the percussion parts and the lyrics. I'm enjoying it. Lama np: There has been a cool bass line under "Shiny Toys" all this time. Who knew? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Making $$$ off the BF njc --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > < Family cartoons (was his name Addams by any > chance?>> > > Since I am so behind, this has probably already been > answered already, but > Charles Addams, (Chas) who created the Addams > family, is my FAVORITE artist. I > have loved his work since I was really little, and > love his macabre sense of > humor. Nope, it wasn't answered. so I'm glad you chimed in. Likewise, glad to know somebody reads my posts (LOL) thereby lending validity to my existance, such as it is, and that there's also somebody that gets that kind of goofball, sicko, humour too. When I do finally make it to New York, I'd love to see the original artwork. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:30:45 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Speechless . "Speechless" is track 12. "Speechless" is complete. "Speechless" is Larry Klein on bass, Vinnie Colaiuta on Blade-like drums, Mike Landau holding down electric guitar, and Joni scatting French vowels. Most of all though, "Speechless" is a Joni piano track, laid bare in all its glory. Uncirculated until this week, it's available on THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS. All the best, Lama Well, now I'm speechless. Great job of story telling, Lama. I'll look for it now that I'm gonna buy it (at least, eventually). Best back at you Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Making $$$ off the BF njc --- David Sadowski wrote: > Around 1980, I tried to send Charles Addams a > cartoon idea, but it > naturally got rejected by The New Yorker (via a form > letter, I recall). > > The joke wasn't very good. There is a sign on the > front door of a > funeral parlor... it says, "No shoes, No shirt, No > service." If that's not good, why am I laughing so hard? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: box set bummer --- kakki wrote: > I seriously don't understand why so many of you all > blame Joni personally > for this stuff. These types of products come from > record company business > and marketing decisions. I only have a rough idea > of how song licensing and > record contracts work (where's Brenda?!) but I'm > pretty sure Joni has very > little to do with what they release, etc., except > for maybe adding her two > cents on the artistic side and liner notes (which > she should do). She has no > power or input into how much they charge or whether > or not to release stuff. I'm sure it's some guy in a suit who drives an SUV or a hummer that thought this one up. It definitely smacks of corporate greed and out-of-touch-with-reality-ness to me. Joni probably had a contractual agreement of some kind to fulfill as well (or has she already completed that contract?) I don't blame her personally, but I guess I'm just not that big a fan of box sets, unless you can buy them on the instalment plan. My experience with box sets is that they have a lot of good stuff on them, but also a lot of crap (maybe I'm just not that big a fan of anyone, because what is crap to me may be manna to someone else.) But then again, I just bought a box set of Bruuuuces' live stuff so I speak out of both sides of my mouth. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 0:56:19 -0400 From: Subject: Re: box set bummer A point of clarification about the liner notes: For most songs her comment is no more than 2 paragraphs. The booklet is printed on heavy card stock but that means that it has LESS of a chance to survive to middle age. When you open it, the relatively inflexible cardstock stresses the glue. The glue acts along the edge of the cardstock to hold it together. I will repeat that: Glue on the edge of the cardstock holds it in the binder. I am positive that stapled paper would hold together much longer. Shiny cardstock is initally impressive like the BSN box. I didn't buy it for her text. I bought it for "Speechless" and to get remastered version I can listen to far away from my turntable. I am not bummed. You want to buy Joni on the cheap? Pick up 'hits' or 'DOG EAT DOG'. Go to a used record store and buy used LPs. The bindings on my 25-year-old LPs of BLUE, FOR THE ROSES, MINGUS, COURT AND SPARK, MILES OF AISLES, etc are holding together just fine. This new box is just another option; no one is being force-fed here. If you want a cheap CD, by all means, get a used CD from the Geffen years. Emily, I'll send my old copy of DED if you want it. Write me off-list. Okay? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:32:54 -0600 From: "Shane" Subject: (No Subject) bonjour i discovered a young woman named rosie thomas today and her album at tower records can be sampled here (for instance, try 'charlotte')... the uncanny joni like quality is unmistakable and might just blow you away as it did me: http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2616173&used=y&urlid=cb8329723696ff6a97 warm hello to all shane *************************************** she takes off from los angeles climbing higher, on a sunset dream try and hold her, like the ocean clouds *************************************** www.shane.ws *************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:55:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Making $$$ off the BF njc excuse me, but i would like the subject line to be changed to making $$$ *FOR* the BF. donations welcome. wally, just back from the opera, where a little girl in the children's choir fainted during a scene in parsifal and cracked her head open onstage. the things an opera house has to do to keep attendance high! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:13:28 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 26 On September 26 the following articles were published: 1997: "Pass the Salt, Please" - JMDL (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=171 1998: "Mitchell Brings Perspective and Wit to 'Taming the Tiger'" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=152 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #486 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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