From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #475 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 475 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: John Kelly in Seattle NJC [Richard Goldman ] Re: the last waltz, joni on poetry(ljc) [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Judie Tzuke in Britain [ash ] Re: Judie Tzuke in Britain (njc) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Stryngs CD now available at CDBaby NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Soho vs. SoHo (nJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Fw: the people who love Joni njc (for AOL members) [Emiliano ] Festival Express (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Judee Sill (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] First lines [Catherine Finn ] Singing for JR (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: forwarding Wally's (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: First lines [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Johnny Cash obit done right - NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Soho vs. SoHo NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: First lines [Susan Guzzi ] Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain [Andrew Smith ] Soho vs. SoHo NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] The Last Waltz NJC now ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain ["kakki" ] Re: First lines ["StephenToogood" ] Calling Michael Paz! ["hell" ] Re: The Last Waltz NJC now [Catherine McKay ] Re: Calling Michael Paz! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: The Last Waltz NJC now ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: The Last Waltz NJC now [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Last Waltz NJC now [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Soho vs. SoHo (nJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: The Last Waltz NJC now ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Johnny Cash obit done right - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: the life of david gale njc ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: First lines [Catherine McKay ] Clouds in other words ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Clouds in other words (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Clouds in other words/Ginny Woolf [Murphycopy@aol.com] Stevie agrees with Joni ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:09:09 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: John Kelly in Seattle NJC So that this feeling of something missed, is minimized, (I think I posted about John's tour earlier, but...here's the link: http://www.odctheater.org/v5/pages/music.html He is going to be in San Francisco, Oct. 8 through 12 at the Oberlin Dance Collective Theater, doing "Shiny Hot Nights". We're going opening night. Who is joining us? Richard n.p. Ben Taylor - "Tonight" from Famous Among The Barns - --- >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:42:10 -0400 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: RE: John Kelly > >we got together a few joni-listers for an early draft of 'shiny hot nights' >here in new york, a while back. > >i'd seen a few things john kelly had done, and for years he ended the annual >wigstock festival singing 'wigstock', his version of woodstock, so i heard >that a few times. but when i saw 'paved paradise', his first show of all >joni songs, it was what made me fall in love with joni's music all over >again. that was about 96, and i'd been collecting her music (unevenly) >since 1980. 'paved paradise' is what made me such a fanatic that my first >ever web search was for joni mitchell, and my first post to this list (the >thread was meeting celebrities) was about john kelly. > >if you've never read it, read about the time joni finally saw 'paved >paradise'. it's on jonimitchell.com, somewhere. > >by the way, i found a used copy of the movie 'wigstock' recently, bought it, >and watched it the night before last. it was filmed in 93 and 94, and i was >at both festivals and in '93 i was in drag (one of only two times in my >life, i looked like angie dickinson). man did the movie take me back! so >many shots of my friends and acquaintances. so much fun. and you do get to >see john as joni at the end. > >patrick > >np - bonnie raitt - 2-22-72 Philadelphia, PA, Sigma Studios > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >>BRYAN8847@aol.com >>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:02 PM >>To: joni@smoe.org >>Subject: John Kelly in Seattle NJC >> >> >>I'll NJC this because it's only marginally Joni related.... >> >>Did anyone see John Kelly's Shiny Hot Nights show in Seattle (or >>anywhere)? I >>was devastated today when I picked up a two-week-old paper and saw >>an ad for >>the show. I ran in circles screaming and waving my arms (I >>exaggerate a bit) >>when I realized I had missed the performances held Sept 11-14, >>probably a once >>in a lifetime opportunity. For Pete's sake. >> > >Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: breaking down Well I am the biggest freaking cry baby - speaking of keeping up a butch image! Sheesh Bob - didnt know you were butch. But anyyway, when Joni appeared on Letterman and did "Sex Kills," not having actually seen her in many years ... I burst into tears. Robin was on the phone with our two friends Dan and Chris and Chris was doing the same thing as me - there was a beauty and sweetness to that night I will never forget. Then in October of 98, my ex took me to see Joni and Bobbi D - this was 2 months after Robin died - I cried through the whole show!!!! But there was comfort in it and healing too much as I could at that time. So yes Joni break downs - I have been there - and yes there is comfort in melancholy. Peace, Susan SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: Still, I don't remember crying at too many concerts as I have to keep up my macho butch image in public doncha know. :~) Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:44:01 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: the last waltz, joni on poetry(ljc) <> this was the video in which i spoke of joni doing a most wonderful version of "coyote" I talked about it last week , i believe i called it "the last dance". i saw this 150 years ago( i'm not exaggerating ...lol...well maybe a little)...see it,love is. with joni, van the man, muddy waters, levon helms and the band, emmylou harris and many other great perfomances, it is not to be missed. thank you ash, for being my memory. bob wrote: <> bob, i'm not sure, but i found this the other day, tell me what you think, maybe there are some "good poets" left, then again, maybe I just like this and wish to find out who wrote it. "spew,vomit,bile! Vile! Vile! Vile! Let the sticks and stones break my bones Just keep your words to yourself. Keep you mouth shut till your mind can open up, till you soul glows bright with the colors of the Master Potter. Heart of stone leave me alone till love's fire melts you down, then burn me at the stake. Don't touch me with the breath that passes through you lips, bite off my ears instead. Beat me dead beat me dead just don't let your poison language come inside my head. Hate me with a passion with the devil's anger and hell's diease just don't love me even simply and say those things to me." am i kidding myself or what? peace that fool noel NP: Sire of sorrows ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:00:33 +1000 From: ash Subject: Re: Judie Tzuke in Britain Subject: More Tour Info - Judie Tzuke I was sent an email about the wonderful British Singer called Judie Tzuke, she has been around since 1979 and her big hit was 'Stay With Me Till Dawn'..well she is on tour in Britain and this is what I was sent....... Thank you dated 19th September 2003 Ash Hello Everyone, Just a quick update on how the tour is going. The first three nights went very well. We've had loads of very complimentary emails and messages. This is great as it really helps Judie and sets her up in a great state of mind for the rest of the tour. Thanks to all of those responsible. Tonight we are in Worcester Huntingdon Hall always a lovely venue (almost sold out, a few tickets left). On Sunday we are in Birmingham at the Old Rep theatre, this show will be starting at 7:30pm and Jude is doing two sets so there is no support, a few people have been caught out by the two set strategy (thinking they are only missing the support), then finding they have missed half an hour of Judie. If anyone is worried about the Birmingham gig finishing to late (as it is a Sunday) the show will finish around 9:40pm. Looking forwards to seeing loads of you at Leeds and Newcastle on Monday and Tuesday nights. Further to my last mail, Judie has decided that we should go ahead with all of the gigs even if they aren't doing so well as she doesn't want to let down those of you who have booked tickets. She always hates it when a gig has to be cancelled. Hopefully the less busy gigs will pick up in particular, Birmingham, Bognor and London on Sunday night. We have had a few enquiries as to the last track of 'Beauty Of Hindsight' and yes it is meant to do what it does (I don't want ruin the surprise for those who haven't heard it). Hope this finds you well, Jamie Beauty Of Hindsight Tour (Remaining Gigs) September 2003 Fri 19th, Worcester Huntingdon Hall, 01905 611427, www.huntingdonhall.com Sun 21st, Birmingham The Old Rep Theatre, 0121 236 5622, www.birmingham.gov.uk/oldrep Mon 22nd, Leeds City Varieties Music Hall, 0113 243 0808, www.cityvarieties.co.uk Tue 23rd, Newcastle Opera House, 0191 232 0899, www.newcastleoperahouse.org Thu 25th, Bognor Regis Alexandra Theatre, 01243 862020, www.alexandratheatre.co.uk Fri 26th, Maidstone Hazlitt Theatre, 01622 758611 Sat 27th, London Bush Hall, 020 8222 6933, www.bushhallmusic.co.uk Sun 28th, London Bush Hall, 020 8222 6933, www.bushhallmusic.co.uk Mon 29th, Wavendon The Stables, 01908 280800, www.stables.org 'The Beauty of Hindsight - Vol. 1' will initially be available at the concerts and will be released via mail order on the 13th of October. ********************************************************************** Big Moon Records P.O. 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If for any reason you want to unsubscribe to this mailing list, please send an email to info@tzuke.com including the email address you subscribed with. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:09:00 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Judie Tzuke in Britain (njc) In a message dated 19/09/2003 11:52:27 GMT Daylight Time, millsac@bigpond.com writes: << I was sent an email about the wonderful British Singer called Judie Tzuke, she has been around since 1979 and her big hit was 'Stay With Me Till Dawn'..well she is on tour in Britain >> She is indeed a great singer, one of those who was never remotely cool or fashionable or cutting-edge. She wouldn't frighten the neighbours and you could play her records to your maiden aunt knowing Judie wasn't going to swear or sing about anything unseemly. Her virtues are simple and timeless: having a beautiful voice and being able to put good songs over well. In the case of Stay With Me Til Dawn, it was a better-than-good song that still sounds wonderful. I'm surprised that more people don't mention Judie's name when talking about Dido. Not that I think they *should*, but as a large part of reviewing and discussing music seems to be about making comparisons (often straw-clutchingly tangential ones), this one suggests itself readily, except that for me Judie is a far better singer. I might even bestir myself to go and see her on the 27th, as a recent album of hers I have (Wonderland, from 2001) indicates that her voice is still in excellent nick. Azeem in London NP: Tamara Williamson - The Arms of Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:34:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Stryngs CD now available at CDBaby NJC For those of you who have yet to pick up on this wonderful release, incredibly musical & heartfelt & brilliant, it's now EASY to get from CDBaby (as of today), just point & click. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stryngs You'll be glad you did, and Chris & Martin may even thank you. The copy I bought at Jonifest has been in steady play at home and in the car. "Frank's Song" is one of the best things I've heard all year lyrically, but the whole disc is superb, I'm never ready for it to end. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:35:34 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Soho vs. SoHo (nJC) Patrick writes: it's become a bit of a running joke about the ridiculousness of neighborhood naming (it's a real-estate developer-driven game). I wonder if this happens in a lot of cities. I always thought SoHo and Tribeca sounded pretty cool. Then in Florida, when they started calling South Miami Beach or South Beach *SoBe*, I began rolling my eyes. I've even heard it in my own town, Fort Myers. If you live in the newer section of the city, which is South Fort Myers, they call it SoFo. Puhlease!!! I guess at Jonifest next year, we should rename the accommodations at the Full Moon Resort. If you're staying at the Morningstar Lodge which is the south end of the property, it's SoFu. The Lez cottage would be NoFu, and where Ashara stays is ToFu :~) Happy Friday! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:57:11 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: the people who love Joni njc (for AOL members) I truly agree on this! Peace & Love: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "magsnbrei" ; Enviado: viernes, 19 de septiembre de 2003 7:04 Asunto: RE: the people who love Joni njc > dear magsie and duckboi, > this post is beautiful and touching beyond words. > i love you both and you are always in my thoughts. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:58:27 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Soho vs. SoHo (nJC) (for AOL members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Timothy Spong" ; Enviado: viernes, 19 de septiembre de 2003 5:59 Asunto: RE: Soho vs. SoHo (nJC) > i think once i heard that the name of the london neighborhood had to do with > "so ho!", a hunting call -- you know, like "tallyho!" and all those quaint > hunting expressions used by eccentric aunts in p g wodehouse novels. > apparently that london area was used as hunting grounds a long time ago. > wally, such a ho at times. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:12:54 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: forwarding Wally's (NJC) Hi, dears! First, I like to thank you for your kind words rewarding my decision on forwarding Wally's posts so all of you, including AOL members, can read it. I think it's a failure, due to unwanted reasons, and surely Wally's posts deserve to attain all the people in this wonderful list. The trouble with my forwarding his post is this: I have no permanent internet connection (just a dial-up one); the time line isn't the same in Spain as in America: when you go to sleep at midnight, I'm about to wake up. And third, since I've returned to work (alas!) I'm not able to check my e-mail until 2pm, so, if Wally post one of his interesting and funny messages after I've gone to sleep (aproximately 6pm for you), AOL members can get it until morning after. This is a gap for the rythym of this list's conversation, don't you? So I was thinking that maybe it was desirable to someone in America takes the task of forwarding Wally's post instead of me: don't get me worng, I'm not tired at all about it, but maybe the flow of dialogue would be better with an American forwarder. Notice that in mail's manager software (like Eudora... I use MS Outlook) there's a way to do this automatically. I'm not sure how to explain it by now, because my software is in spanish, but it is very very easy. Well, that's right, tell me what you think about it (privately or in list). Many many thanks for your attention, your time, your bandwith... and for being here!!!! Have a Wonderful time!: Emiliano NP: Help me to Help Myself, John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:23:18 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Festival Express (NJC) UK jmdlers might be interested in this (a new film due to be shown at this year's London Film Festival in October) - > Film: 'Festival Express' > Oct 31 - 23:30 Odeon West End, Screen 2 > > "In 1970, a train was chartered to cross the Canadian heartland, carrying, > among others, The Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin (seen at her banshee-wailing > peak here), Ten Years After, Traffic, The Band, and Buddy Guy to major cities > to perform a string of live concerts. It was a Woodstock on wheels, as they > played exhilarating gigs to paying customers in the evenings, then got back > on the train to jam and party together before they hit the next town. It > wasn't all boogie woogie bliss, though. Free concerts had become common, > and, in the spirit of the times, those paying customers felt they were being > ripped off by 'The Man', and many took their frustration out on the mounted > police and security guards at the fences surrounding the gigs. The tour > organisers had to dig deep into their pockets to keep it on track, but with > the bands having such a good time, they certainly weren't going to stop that > train. The original production company filming the event went bankrupt, > which meant the footage remained unseen, until now. Pieced together from > forty-six hours of precious material, Festival Express follows in the > tradition of classic concert movies such as Woodstock and Monterey Pop. It > is a document of a remarkable week-long party, a postcard from another era, > where beards and bellbottoms were first all the rage and the sounds were > extraordinary." > > Michael Hayden > Directed by: Bob Smeaton > With: The Band, The Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin > Country: UK > Year of Production: 2003 > Running Time: 90 minutes Best to all PaulC nsimh - Acadian driftwood, gypsy tail wind They call my home the land of snow Canadian cold front movin' in What a way to ride Oh, what a way to go [Robbie Robertson] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:48:10 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Judee Sill (NJC) Following discussion here a while back this might be of interest to a few - Just released on Rhino Handmade [An individually numbered limited edition of 5000 Copies] Judee Sill http://www.rhinohandmade.com/browse/ProductLink.lasso?Number=7836 (with ten bonus tracks, including a home demo of "Jesus Was A Cross Maker" and a complete October 1971 performance at the Boston Music Hall). and Heart Food http://www.rhinohandmade.com/browse/ProductLink.lasso?Number=7802 (with nine bonus tracks, including the studio outtake "The Desperado" and eight solo demo versions of album tracks). >Judee Sill was a true original. A singer-songwriter with a wealth >of influences and a fascination with religion, she referred to her >work as "country-cult-baroque." She was the first artist signed to >David Geffen's Asylum label, and, along with Joni Mitchell and >Carole King, exemplified the breezy "Laurel Canyon Sound" of >the early '70s. Sill scored moderate hits with "Lady-O" (originally >written for The Turtles) and "Jesus Was A Cross Maker" and >released two albums -- 1971's Judee Sill and 1973's Heart Food -- >before suffering chronic pain and eventually dying of a drug >overdose at age 35. > > > For her self-titled debut, Sill gathered a production team that > included Jim Pons and John Beck of The Leaves, as well as > engineer/producer Henry Lewy, known for his work with Joni > Mitchell, Neil Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, and Leonard > Cohen. PaulC (savoring this news like a raspberry) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine Finn Subject: First lines I am new to this list, and a Joni desciple (sp?) I am a beginning songwriter and among the many things that blows me away about Joni is her knack for wrting a really great first line. Meaning, a line that commands you to keep listening. My favorites: Sitting in a park in Paris France reading the news and it sure looks bad Woke up it was a Chelsea Morning and the first thing that I heard was a song outside my window and the traffic wrote the words. I came upon a child of God, he was walking along the road. . . The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68 and he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday. . . Anyone have favorites to add? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:55:29 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Singing for JR (NJC) At The Man in Black's funeral > Accompanied by John Leventhal, Emmylou Harris > and Sheryl Crow duetted on "The Old Rugged Cross" > and Dylan's "Every Grain of Sand". PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:02:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: forwarding Wally's (NJC) Subject: Johnny Cash obit done right - NJC There's lots being written about our Man in Black here recently, but this says it better than anything else I've seen. Have a peek. Rest in peace, Johnny. You're missed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1043707,00.html Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:39:05 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Sylvia's Birth Day and other things. Today Sylvia Tyson (IAN and Sylvia) is 63. Happy Birth Day! Also isn't Kay's Birth Day today, or is this the date of her show tonight? Anyway Happy Birthday Kay! And whom ever else's it may be? Other things: Mags, Your post was so beautiful and touched so wonderfully on the whole process of allowing other's in with their offerings of help and sorrow. The things this list has done for me in the last few years, and twice now gathering with different groups of you has been a true inspiration in my health issues right now. Mags, I've planted a Plumeria (Frangipani) tree for David (and you) in the yard. Their blooms are used to make "lays" in Hawaii to say "Welcome to Our Home." They have a beautiful sweet fragrance, I planted one with a white (for purity) flower on it. Because of you David is now part of our home. Godspeed in your healing! Lucy your post was just as incredible! I've saved it to my Jonifest file, such great direct wisdom. I too choose to hang out with these people for exactly the same reason. Joni has been the inspiration for all of our lives and has inspired thousands more. Her insight into human emotion and condition, sorrow, world hunger, the innocence in the Earth, pollution, corporate and political greed and corruption, the layered meaning of life with her lyrics for each to interpret in what they mean to them, the true value of "love," in-spite of all of these obstacles in life, and trying to get though it with a good heart. Boy do I feel Blessed for all of this, and you. I hope you all have survived "Isabel" without damage or loss. Have a Wonderful Day! Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:29:01 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Soho vs. SoHo NJC Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:59:40 -0300 >>i think once i heard that the name of the london neighborhood had to do with "so ho!", a hunting call -- you know, like "tallyho!" and all those quaint hunting expressions used by eccentric aunts in p g wodehouse novels. apparently that london area was used as hunting grounds a long time ago. wally, such a ho at times.<< The Wordsworth Dictionary of the Underworld gives 'soho' as related to the faro card game, but then says..."'The cant word is 'soho', the same as when you see a hare sitting' i.e. the interjectional soho! of hare coursing." Strictly speaking 'coursing' is different, I believe, to hunting as it is not the object to kill the hare, but what do I know. Hunting is not always necessarily for killing. mike in barcelona np Michel Camilo & Tomatito - Besame Mucho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:40:37 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Soho vs. SoHo NJC Replying to Wally's post, Mike writes: << Hunting is not always necessarily for killing. >> Oh, I think Wally knows that! Have a great weekend everyone. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: First lines Welcome Catie!!! We talk alot about syncronicity here ... and it seems you are gonna fit right in, cause as Bob mentioned, we just barely finished this same thread - how funny is that?!! But I'll throw another one or two out there 1. Peridots and periwinkles blue medallions, gilded galleons spilled across the ocean floor ( I love the visual - like brush strokes across a canvas and just the sound of the words strung together) 2. Love came to my door with a sleeping roll and a madman's soul, he thought for sure i'd seen him ... And then so many that were mentioned; Last time I saw Richard ..., All I Want, Chelsea Morning and my original choice - Once in awhile in a big blue moon , there comes a night like this .. Thanks for speaking up Catie, looks like we're on the same page! Looking forward to more from you. Peace, Susan SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: Hi Catie, & welcome to the JMDL...we actually just did this thread about a week ago, but maybe some of the folks who didn't chime in then will want to now. Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Smith Subject: Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain Hi folks: I am going to be in LA over this weekend, and I have some spare time in which I wanted to make a "pilgrimage" to Laurel Canyon! Does anyone know any sites associated with JM that are worth a drive-by? Let me know and thanks Andy Smith Greenbrae, CA ===== Andrew J. Smith 104 Bretano Way Greenbrae, CA 94904-1302 USA andy.smith@iracema.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:30:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Soho vs. SoHo NJC >Soho is in London. SoHo is in New York City< & SOhO is in Santa Barbara where we will have the 3rd annual Tribute to Joni Mitchell on Sunday November 9th! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:58:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Last Waltz NJC now >is the drummer out of the Band...Richard Manuel...who the above reviewer of the 'Last Waltz' claims to be the greatest drummer ever!!!< richard mostly played the keyboards & some drums...he sadly passed away in 1986...the main drummer's name was levon helm who i am pretty sure lives in woodstock ny & maybe sometimes in new orleans (doesn't he have a club there paz?) here's a cool quote: "I was madly in love with Richard... At the time, [1975] we had the same troubles. I felt insecure and he was clearly insecure, and yet he was so incredibly gifted....For me he [Richard] was the true light of the Band. The other guys were fantastic talents, of course, but there was something of the holy madman about Richard. He was raw. When he sang in that high falsetto the hair on my neck would stand on end. Not many people can do that." - --Eric Clapton i didn't realize that one of my favorite songs clapton wrote was about richard "Eric Clapton recorded his own tribute to Richard Manel, "Holy Mother", on the 1986 album August." all this & more can be found here: http://theband.hiof.no/ ps catherine that is so cool you saw garth hudson & i loved your description of seeing (or not seeing him!) him play piano! speaking of the band (if anyone has read this far), i just saw the wilco dvd 'i am trying to break your heart'...i've been wanting to hear there music for years but have never gotten to it & i really liked them- to my ears, hearing them for the first time i heard some 'band' influence & also some 'beatles' ....a really interesting dvd! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:27:25 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon/Lookout Mountain Hi Andrew, I wish I could send you the watercolor map from Henry Diltz's Under The Covers CD-R which roughly shows where many musicians lived in the neighborhood. All I can suggest is driving up Laurel Canyon Blvd. and stopping in at the Canyon general store there. That was the main neighborhood meeting place back in the 60s. A friend of mine chatted with Joni standing in line at the check-out counter there back in the late 60s. He was staying in LC with a friend for a couple days because he had to come up to L.A. to meet with the Draft Board and keep his student deferment status and told Joni all about it. The store has lots of old photos of many 60s notables, mostly Jim Morrison and the Doors as I recall. Morrison's former home is right behind the store - a big redwood house. There is also a great restaurant there named Pace (Pahtch-ay) that used to be some other notable place. Ask the guys at the store - they have a wealth of local history ;-) If you turn left on Lookout Mountain Avenue you will be on the street where Joni, Crosby, Nash, Zappa, Fogleberg and many others lived. There's not much to see - most of the houses are pretty rustic and the foliage is overgrown but you can check it out. Further up Laurel Canyon is Mama Cass's house. Hope you have a great time in L.A.! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:18:37 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: First lines Hi Catherine, welcome to the list. Yes this thread is great and 'California' is a worthy choice. You just know what it is instantly. Here's another one I love: "All the people at this party, they gotta' lot of style". ************** Steve T amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk "Red is autumn green is summer Greens are turning and the sand" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Finn" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: First lines > I am new to this list, and a Joni desciple (sp?) I am a beginning songwriter and among the many things that blows me away about Joni is her knack for wrting a really great first line. Meaning, a line that commands you to keep listening. My favorites: > > Sitting in a park in Paris France reading the news and it sure looks bad > > Woke up it was a Chelsea Morning and the first thing that I heard was a song outside my window and the traffic wrote the words. > > I came upon a child of God, he was walking along the road. . . > > The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68 and he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday. . . > > > > Anyone have favorites to add? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:44:54 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Calling Michael Paz! Sorry for the bandwidth, but I've been trying to send a message to Paz off-list, and it keeps bouncing back! Can you please write back to me? Thanks! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Last Waltz NJC now --- Kate Bennett wrote: > ps catherine that is so cool you saw garth hudson & > i loved your description > of seeing (or not seeing him!) him play piano! > Oh, I definitely saw him. And heard him. I'm still impressed a week later, so he must have been good ;-) He was so unfull of shit too. Kind of like a goofy neighbour that just happened to drop by - and just happens to play the piano like nobody on earth and make it seem like nothing. I loved Eric Andersen, but Garth just stood out. I never really got into The Band, but jeez, that man is SOOOOO good. Did I tell you just how good he was? Yeah, but he was gooooood! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:49:32 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Calling Michael Paz! njc Hell wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I've been trying to send a message to Paz off-list, and it keeps bouncing back! Can you please write back to me? Thanks! He's got a hangover LMAO!!!! how do I know these things? try one of these... michael@thepazgroup.com michaelpazz@directvinternet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:19:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: The Last Waltz NJC now well the not seeing part referred to his flying keyboard fingers :~}... in the last waltz he talks about what he told his parents when he joined 'the band'...he had to tell them he was giving them music lessons because i guess his folks thought with his training, joining a r&r band would be beneath him...lol, i remember him being quite goofy too! >Oh, I definitely saw him. And heard him. I'm still impressed a week later, so he must have been good ;-) He was so unfull of shit too. Kind of like a goofy neighbour that just happened to drop by - and just happens to play the piano like nobody on earth and make it seem like nothing. < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:23:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: The Last Waltz NJC now --- Kate Bennett wrote: > well the not seeing part referred to his flying > keyboard fingers :~}... > in the last waltz he talks about what he told his > parents when he joined > 'the band'...he had to tell them he was giving them > music lessons because i > guess his folks thought with his training, joining a > r&r band would be > beneath him...lol, i remember him being quite goofy > too! The other thing - there was this very obvious affection between him and his wife that seems so rare these days. They kibitzed back and forth about what song to do next, almost as if they hadn't rehearsed at all (maybe they hadn't! LOL - and she was looking at song lyrics on an Apple laptop set up in front of her, the bow to modern technology) and at one point, he opened a bottle of water and handed it to her to drink. Just something really simple, but very sweet. No guile whatsoever. Just a couple of old farts (well, not that old, but old enough) that care a lot about each other and are totally comfortable with one another. OK, maybe it doesn't take a lot to impress me but it's the simple stuff like that that kind of renews my faith in humankind as a species that just might last, despite all the destruction we usually wreak on one another. On the one hand, dropping the big one; on the other hand, a simple act of kindess and affection. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:00:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Last Waltz NJC now Catherine writes: << He was so unfull of shit too. Kind of like a goofy neighbour that just happened to drop by >> Goofy? In what way? As in Mr. Bentley from "The Jeffersons?" Or more like Rhoda on "The Mary Tyler Moore Show?" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:07:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Soho vs. SoHo (nJC) > I wonder if this happens in a lot of cities. I always thought SoHo and > Tribeca sounded pretty cool. Then in Florida, when they started > calling South Miami Beach or South Beach *SoBe*, I began rolling my > eyes. The area of Seattle just south of downtown was known as SoDo for awhile and I think may still be referred to by that name. Kind of silly nowadays since the sports arena that this name derived from, the Kingdome (SoDo being south of the dome), was imploded a couple of years ago to make way for the new Seahawks stadium. I used to be rather fond of asking people 'Why do they still call it SoDo when there's no Do for it to be So of anymore?' Never did get a good answer to that one. Mark still just north of Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:28:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: The Last Waltz NJC now that is so nice to hear about garth & his mrs & so well put catherine...it IS the little things that make & break our lives- this i have come to believe... >OK, maybe it doesn't take a lot to impress me but it's the simple stuff like that that kind of renews my faith in humankind as a species that just might last, despite all the destruction we usually wreak on one another. On the one hand, dropping the big one; on the other hand, a simple act of kindess and affection.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:23:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Johnny Cash obit done right - NJC Very nice article, Cindy. Thanks for posting the URL. I understand how this writer feels. Mark Cynthia Vickery wrote: > There's lots being written about our Man in Black here recently, > but this says it better than anything else I've seen. Have a > peek. > > Rest in peace, Johnny. You're missed. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1043707,00.html > > > Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Last Waltz NJC now --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine writes: > > << He was so unfull of shit too. Kind of like a > goofy > neighbour that just happened to drop by >> > > Goofy? In what way? As in Mr. Bentley from "The > Jeffersons?" Or more like > Rhoda on "The Mary Tyler Moore Show?" > No, more like goofy as in Goofy. Naah, I csn't stand that creature - gorsh! He was self-deprecating, tall and lanky, a little bit silly, looked like he might trip over his own feet (but didn't), kind of looked like he had wandered up on stage by accident but decided to stick around anyway and just discovered this keyboard that it turns out he could play. Didn't talk a lot, kind of growled every so often. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:59:32 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: the life of david gale njc I took the point to be that if they staged the murder - whether he videoed it or not - that he technically would not have killed her and so then they could say an innocent man was convicted of murder and put to death. In the beginning of the movie remember he could not say that there was anyone for sure who was wrongly convicted. Since she was about to die she wanted to be able to say someone had died wrongly. I agree that the point coud have been made without him slaping us in the face with it, but it showed that they planned it togehter. I thought the movie was cleaver even though I don't agree with playing with people's lives. Nikki > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > tantra-apso > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:43 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: the life of david gale njc > > > I just saw this film. i was hugely disappointed. I enjoyed it all the > way thru till the end when it fell apart for me and became a nasty film. > I am not even sure I got it. Was it all about revenge on his ex wife? is > that why he did what he did? I thought it was pretty sick. Why would the > maker want us to feel outrage and compassion just to slap us in the face > at the end? is he really that cynical? Or does he just enjoy taking a > pop at people who have compassion and 'liberal' views? > > It really wasn't about the Death penaly, but about his suicide. > > Does this mean in the eyes of this maker, that we would welcome the > execution of that moron recently for killing the abortion drs/nurses? > Certainly not. > > I guess this film left a nasty tatse in my mouth and I still think it > was sick idea. > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: First lines --- Catherine Finn wrote: > I am new to this list, and a Joni desciple (sp?) I > am a beginning songwriter and among the many things > that blows me away about Joni is her knack for > wrting a really great first line. Meaning, a line > that commands you to keep listening. My favorites: > Welcome to the list, Catherine (I like the way you spell your name.) If it's opening lines you're after, I didn't join in this when it came up a week or two ago, so here you go: - - I hired a coach to take me from confusion to the plane / And though we shared a common space I know we'll never meet again - - Peridots and periwinkle blue medallions Gilded galleons spilled across the ocean floor - - You could have been more than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air - - I am on a lonely road and I am traveling... Searching for something. What can it be? - - Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star" And I said "Constantly in the darkness Where's that at? - - Papa's faith is people Mama she believes in cleaning That's only the first few albums... and (as always) you know, there may be more. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:24:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Clouds in other words From Virginia Woolf's 'Mrs. Dalloway': "A puff of wind (in spite of the heat, there was quite a wind) blew a thin black veil over the sun and over the Strand. The faces faded; the omnibuses suddenly lost their glow. For although the clouds were of mountainous white so that one could fancy hacking hard chips off with a hatchet, with broad golden slopes, lawns of celestial pleasure gardens, on their flanks, and had all the appearance of settled habitations assembled for the conference of gods above the world, there was a perpetual movement among them. Signs were interchanged, when, as if to fulfil some scheme arranged already, now a summit dwindled, now a whole block of pyramidal size which had kept its station inalterably advanced into the midst or gravely led the procession to fresh anchorage. Fixed though they seemed at their posts, at rest in perfect unanimity, nothing could be fresher, freer, more sensitive superficially than the snow-white or gold-kindled surface; to change, to go, to dismantle the solemn assemblage was immediately possible; and in spite of the grave fixity, the accumulated robustness and solidity, now they struck light to the earth, now darkness." When I read this passage recently I of course thought of 'Both Sides Now'. There is even a hint of duality at the very end of Woolf's passage. My first thought was 'Oh for God's sake! Joni described clouds in just a few brief lines. Who would ever think about them in this convoluted way?' But I've come to the conclusion that Virginia was trying to put impressions and mental pictures into words that her characters didn't necessarily verbalize even to themselves in their own heads. Just feelings and images lurking below the surface of conscious thought.... It's almost like...dare I say it?....poetry. Joni probably wouldn't like Woolf. Is it any wonder that I'm so f*****g verbose in my posts when I read stuff like this??? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:10:58 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Clouds in other words (njc) Hi Mark - By the end of your post I had the same thoughts - LOL: > When I read this passage recently I of course thought of 'Both Sides > Now'. There is even a hint of duality at the very end of Woolf's > passage. My first thought was 'Oh for God's sake! Joni described > clouds in just a few brief lines. Who would ever think about them in > this convoluted way?' >It's almost like...dare I say it?....poetry. As convoluted as it is, I agree it does seems like great poetry. > Is it any wonder that I'm so f*****g verbose in my posts when I read > stuff like this??? For some reason I read lots of stuff like this growing up and no doubt it probably spawned much "word-worm" overgrowth in my lopsided right brain - LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:19:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds in other words/Ginny Woolf Mark writes: << When I read this passage recently I of course thought of 'Both Sides Now'. >> Me, too! That why I transcribed that SAME passage and posted it to the JMDL when I was reading "Mrs. Dalloway" last spring, I think it was. I went to the archives to try to retrieve my post, but the search function is gone. (When did this happen? Les, I want my money back!) As for Joni not liking Virginia, I am not so sure about that, Mark. As you said, "It's almost like...dare I say it?....poetry." I agree, and I also think it doesn't have the "guile" and "posturing" Joni finds objectionable. I realized recently that I am finding a lot more "poetry" in prose, than in "poetry." "Dalloway" is amazing. I have never read anything quite like it, not even other books by Ms. Woolf. The narrative just flits by so effortlessly, like a butterfly, in and out of the consciousness of the book's characters. How the hell does she do that? When I finished "Dalloway" I went right into "The Hours" by Michael Cunningham at Patrick's suggestion. You may consider doing the same. "The Hours" is also great and -- like most books -- better than the movie that was made from it. --Bob NR: "Nine Stories" by J. D. Salinger. (Isn't he still alive and hiding out in New Hampshire? If so, I am wondering if he's planning to posthumously publish whatever he's been working on for the last 40+ years. I wonder if Joni would like him. They would probably find a lot to talk about, such as fame and the music and book businesses!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:28:58 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Stevie agrees with Joni This has no direct Joni content but here we now have Stevie Nicks grumbling about Britney, Christina, Madonna, et al, just like Joni. Heehee. http://entertainment.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4459,7311176%255E10431% 255E%255Enbv,00.html Excerpt: Original rock chick Nicks, 55, said Spears and Christina Aguilera should wear more clothes and try writing decent songs. "I personally have never been to a strip club, but I turn on MTV and see in every single video what it must be like to be at a strip club," Nicks said. "I think the mystery is gone, and if you have no mystery, then you aren't even sexy. "Real sexuality and sensuality is in the music, and all these girls, vis-a-vis, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and on and on, should go back to writing songs and start over because it won't last and they won't last. "When they are 55, they won't be around and that's sad because I think a lot of those girls are very talented. But they are signing their own death warrants." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #475 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)