From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #466 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 466 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: lets sing out... now including songs that NJC [Emiliano ] Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC [Emiliano ] Re: lets sing out... now including songs that NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: lets sing out... [Emiliano ] Re: lets sing out... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Video tree question - 1970 BBC (UK) show [Chris Marshall ] Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC [Murphycopy@aol.co] Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC [Murphycopy@aol.co] Beach Boys (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] RE: the carpenters and todd haynes' 'superstar'NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC [Rick and Susan Subject: Re: lets sing out... now including songs that NJC Hi, Bob! Many thanks for transcribing so beautiful & naive lyric to us all! I can't say nothing about that show (nor this covers) as I don't have (I guess it'll take me a couple of months to begin asking for it ;-) Now, I must say I can't help remember, considering this Favourite Colour a better & upgrade example of such a "Theme", and speaking of novelty songs, some called, in its spanish version, ?De Que' Color Es La Piel De Dios? (What coulour god's skin is?). I must confess I *loved* it at that moment: I was ?8 years? and a family'n radio only playing rancid "spaniard-light-flamenco" music. Man, that "group" (Up With The People!: it was as almost an entire audience in itself!) was a novelty! Here in Spain had huge success, grandfathers & grandsons together at large venues and so on. Were for some time, more popular than things like Globetrotters or Holiday On Ice! Argh! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano, fearing I have provoked some nauseas here with this post NP: Tiger Bones - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: ; Enviado: sabado, 13 de septiembre de 2003 20:36 Asunto: Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out [...] > And since many have not or will never hear it, here are the lyrics to her > song "Favorite Colour" that she sings in the 1965 portion. > > I met a child a year ago, > whose eyes would never see > She asked me with a timid smile > "What color is a tree"? > > In summertime, a tree is green, > In autumn, gold and red > In winter they are frosted white > When all their leaves are shed. > > "I know the sky is blue" she said, > "and silver is the sand, > and apples are the brightest red, > what color is a man?" > > Man is many colors, child, > Some are yellow, some are brown > And some are black as sightlessness, > some white as eider down > > She took her crayons from a box, > And placed them in my glove > And said "By mixing all of these, > comes my favorite colour - love" > > Any of you guitarists have this transcribed yet? ;~) > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Night In The City" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:30:06 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni: In Other Words (long) michael, This is a really good idea because it succeeds as the cookbook succeeded: It's a bit o' Joni and a bit o' JMDL. It humanizes this idea of keeping the music alive. With humor, it defuses the natural suspicion that we are internet stalkers. Most of all, I really like the idea of multiple working titles. Like Chuck's collection of JMDL takes on Tape Tree 5, an incredibly convoluted title reflects Joni's own ambiguity back upon her. (For example, I think one song was originally entitled "Clouds", then became "From Both Sides, Now", then she finally settled on "Two Grey Rooms". I could be mistaken about that though.) :) Lama PS, As if to repent, she then entitled the album "Clouds" instead! PPSS, How does everyone like the title "JMDL Gift Project #2: The Sequel"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:32:54 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Richard Flynn" Para: CC: Enviado: domingo, 14 de septiembre de 2003 0:53 Asunto: RE: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC [...] > it was a magical & intimate > performance. > > On another note, I definitely remember a television appearance before LoTC, > where she sang the lyrics to "For Free" as "Got a black limousine / and two > white men / escorting me to the hall." Anyone heard of this version? Well, I think it's the PBS special, maybe 07-19-69 Newport Folk Festival Newport RI USA PBS?-TV Broadcast as "The Sounds Of Summer '69", Nov. 1969 Doug uploaded it at JMDL's peer-to-peer some months ago. I love this show: Setlist: Chelsea Morning Cactus Tree Night in the City Marcie Nathan LaFraneer Rainy Night House (if I understand well, she speaks about beginning to write songs at piano at that very time, and introduces RNH as a "get together" of Marcie & NLaF, calling these two songs "two houses") Blue Boy For Free Get Together (written by Dino Valenti) The Fiddle and the Drum I Think I Understand Both Sides Now As anyone can say, it's a *real* jewel, for sure! BTW, my opinion about these "two white men / escorting me to the hall" is about the fact that caucasian bodyguards must be more expensive than black ones, don'T you? I must ask for apologies if you find my statatement etnically offensive. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: For Free, again! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:47:06 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: In Other Words (long) Hi, Lama! To my taste, this title of yours: > PPSS, How does everyone like the title "JMDL Gift Project #2: The Sequel"? is *only* a working title for me: I really can't stand "numbering" things, I get the feeling it deprives them from their singularity, their uniqueness (I know, I've already compared things with Leaves of Grass some months ago :-) "Joni Mitchell DL: In OtHer words" works well for me (do you think too stupid writing the "H" in capitals?) Have a Wonderful time!: Emiliano PS: I wonder about your Two Grey Rooms' connection... I confess that's not a song *I've got*, by now NP: I Think I Understand, PBS show ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:55:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: lets sing out... now including songs that NJC Subject: Re: lets sing out... Hi, Bob! First, I've edited the subject line, *real* JC! About Kelly Dale connection... I guess I don't know this woman. Of course I go several times to the Unreleased section (I've already told you I keep JM & JMDL sites in my hard drive!) but it's great your posting of Love Is Like A Big Brass Band! Yes it's very appropiate for her "Chuck" wedding :-) Have a Wonderful time!: Emiliano NP: The Windfall ----- Mensaje original ----- De: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Para: emilianopd@mundo-r.com ; joni@smoe.org Enviado: domingo, 14 de septiembre de 2003 2:55 Asunto: Re: lets sing out... now including songs that NJC Subject: Video tree question - 1970 BBC (UK) show Ullo, BBC4 (a newish BBC TV channel available on satellite and cable in the UK) is turning out to be something of a gem - despite the fact that there was much skepticism at the outset. Not only did they recently broadcast an hour long segment from the latest/only Alison Krauss live concert, but last night, or the night before, they aired Woman Of Heart And Mind, followed by a live TV performance from 1970. So - has this one been video tree'd yet? The program was called something along the lines of "Joni Mitchell sings Joni Mitchell", and has the following set list:- Chelsea Morning Cactus Tree My Old Man (which she said needed an extra verse, so wasn't quite finished. No, I haven't compared it to the album version yet to see if it truly was a short version) For Free California Big Yellow Taxi Both Sides Now She complained of having a touch of flu, something she said happened when she came to the UK - and was it the same for us going to the USA? Also, if I'm not mistaken, Peter Green (of Fleetwood Mac, and John Mayall's Bluesbreakers fame) was in the audience. And you know what? In some years of list membership, this has to be my most "JC" post yet :-) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:11:16 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: lets sing out... Brainiac Bob writes: << Kelly was the child that she had to put up for adoption, aka "Little Green", in some live versions of the song she sings "Kelly Green, have a happy ending..." >> Well, well, well . . . If you're so smart, Mr. Muller, then exactly what does SIQUOMB mean? Waiting, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:26:38 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: top 5(njc) hitcher on the highway(njc) your upcoming test (njc) In a message dated 9/13/03 8:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Actually, I originally asked for five things that you would recommend to others that were a bit obscure or overlooked; things we might not be aware of >> i guess ya never know what peeps are aware of till ya find out...peace Hitcher on the Highway that has to be THE coolest story i've ever heard , thanks for sharing Am i right to think this test will cause my heart to race/pound? It is called a stress test so obviously has the same effect as running. you are right it is like running, a more relaxed or better said maybe, controlled feeling of the heart beating fast. I suffer panic attacks too an found this test to be nothing like that. good luck, prayers with you, and try to use you sense of wit as muchas you can, can't hurt, might help. peace As a youngster, intensely interested in folk music, I regularly conned my parents into taking me to hear my favorite acts dang, i wish i could have done that , but i guess with 8 siblings who didn't enjoy my same taste in art. lololol so enough...peace to you all Noel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:27:26 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: How did it go???? *Kay's show (njc) Kay, Patrick, others in attendance, We, the unfortunate ones who were unable to attend the show, are waiting to hear how fantastic it was. Please write asap with all of the details. Suze ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:08:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC Emiliano writes: << BTW, my opinion about these "two white men / escorting me to the hall" is about the fact that caucasian bodyguards must be more expensive than black ones, don'T you? >> I think she's just making a lame joke/play on "BLACK limousine . . . WHITE men" Emiliano. I don't think race has ever mattered with bodyguards in the US, at least not since Joni has been famous. Big ones probably cost more than small ones, but that's it! And I never thought of the "gentlemen" in the song as being bodyguards for that matter. I always thought of them as lovers, or gophers, or hangers-on. She also sings "fifteen gentlemen" (I think) on "Miles of Aisles" and Joni has never needed fifteen bodyguards! (Although she might if she ever decides to drop in on a bunch of us weirdos at a Jonifest!) --Bob, who should be packing but is checking e-mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:08:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC Emiliano writes: << BTW, my opinion about these "two white men / escorting me to the hall" is about the fact that caucasian bodyguards must be more expensive than black ones, don'T you? >> I think she's just making a lame joke/play on "BLACK limousine . . . WHITE men" Emiliano. I don't think race has ever mattered with bodyguards in the US, at least not since Joni has been famous. Big ones probably cost more than small ones, but that's it! And I never thought of the "gentlemen" in the song as being bodyguards for that matter. I always thought of them as lovers, or gophers, or hangers-on. She also sings "fifteen gentlemen" (I think) on "Miles of Aisles" and Joni has never needed fifteen bodyguards! (Although she might if she ever decides to drop in on a bunch of us weirdos at a Jonifest!) --Bob, who should be packing but is checking e-mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:17:58 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Beach Boys (NJC) David wrote: "I *love* the Beach Boys, and that's a really good Brian album. I've been playing "Holland" by The Beach Boys a lot this week." I have been a big Beach Boys/Brian fan since '69 or so. Glad to see another one here. They (and Brian) don't seem to come up too much in the musical conversation here. I have not replaced a lot of my BBs vinyl with CDs, though. Though they have re-released a lot of two-album discs. I did get the Surf's Up/Sunflower one. Great value, those. (I noticed you were listening to Friends, too.) I had read that Brian was going into the studio to record a new album last fall. He said it was going to be a Spector "wall of sound" record. Do you know what ever happened with that? Imagination was sorta disappointing to me. A little too conventional. Though the song for Carl was beautiful. On the Holland CD do they have the little bonus record that was included in the original package? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:32:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: the carpenters and todd haynes' 'superstar'NJC i just played my copy of haynes' movie. it's a copy of a copy of a copy etc so it is pretty faded. i think i appreciated it a lot better after reading joseph's and patrick's comments. the first time i saw it, i just thought it was some kind of foolish game on the part of some wannabe sundance contestant, but now i realize it is a wonderful film! i missed all of his other movies but i agree with patrick about this one: haynes is very sympathetic toward karen. her family (especially *richard*) must've hated this movie and i'm sure they used the copyright excuse to have it banned. "i'll tell mom and dad about your private life" indeed! what's with karen C? the arrangements are so tacky and richard was so heavy-handed in his liberace-cum-fifth dimension approach to everything but karen always rises above the cheesiest of stuff. what a waste. how i miss her. wally, np: karen carpenter: one more time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:39:03 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Beach Boys (SJC) Yes, the Holland CD does include the "Mt. Vernon and Fairway" material that originally appeared as a bonus 7" with the LP. I've read that Brian Wilson is working on a new album that may incorporate some material he wrote along with Andy Paley in the late 90s. I agree about the production work on Imagination... a little too "adult contemporary" for my taste, maybe this is one reason he ditched producer Joe Thomas. Interestingly, the same friend who first turned me on to Joni Mitchell ( I think it was Ladies of the Canyon) also loved The Beach Boys and that's how I first got into them as well... via the much under-appreciated record Friends. I have also read that Brian would sometimes listen to Blue at top volume, over and over, for hours on end. I think it's regrettable that they have never worked together... give a listen to Morning Morgantown and then This Whole World and tell me that there isn't some sort of affinity there... In the meantime, Brian's tour next year will feature a 35 minute SMiLE suite, and there are reports that a 4-disc SMiLE box set is in the offing too... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:49:10 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: sweet 16 take 2 and lets sing out Now with full JC On 9/13/03 3:53 PM, rflynn@frontiernet.net wrote > On another note, I definitely remember a television appearance before LoTC, > where she sang the lyrics to "For Free" as "Got a black limousine / and two > white men / escorting me to the hall." Anyone heard of this version? This is the version I heard her sing live twice in '69 and was surprised when LoTC came out with the words changed. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:10:49 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 14 1974: Joni performed at Wembley Stadium in Wembley, England in front of 72,000 people. Others performing at this event were CSN&Y, Jesse Colin Young and The Band. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=351 http://www.jmdl.com/today/740914.cfm 1979: Joni performed at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles, California. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=442 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:10:49 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 14 On September 14 the following articles were published: 1979: "Celebrating a jazz master and a bold new style" - Daily Collegian (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=872 1979: "Joni Mitchell - An Artist in Transition" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=880 1979: "Joni Mitchell equal to legendary billing" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=879 1979: "Mitchell Blends Styles at the Greek Theatre" - Valley News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=871 2000: "Joni Mitchell, the homecoming queen" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=541 2002: "Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ" - [Unknown] (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=963 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #466 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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